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state as the battle for new york is heating up a lot. we're going to take you there live. good morning, i'm jose diaz-balart. donald trump is also back on the campaign trail today after four days of meetings. he's blasting colorado's process of picking delegates calling it totally unfair. over the weekend, ted cruz swept all the state's 37 gop delegates at the state convention. this was the latest example of the trump campaign finding itself late to the game when it comes to the rule book. on the democratic side, bernie sanders extends his momentum with a win in wyoming. however, because of superdelegates, hillary clinton actually came out with more delegates. it could also be the last victory sanders sees for a while. every remaining contest this month looks favorable for hillary clinton. all the candidates are campaigning today from coast to coast, and we have it all covered for you. >> i say this to the rnc and i say it to the republican party.
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you're going to have a big problem, folks. >> this race has gotten really ugly and really personal. >> we've got a krurpt system. it's not right. we're supposed to be a democracy. >> 65% to 70% of republicans recognize that nominating donald trump would be a disaster. >> they're not really held to any standard of reality. it's an alternative universe that they inhabit. >> state officials here have just declared bernie sanders the winner of the wyoming caucus. >> i want to take this opportunity to thank the people of wyoming for their support. >> nobody can outwork us, outcompete us when we're unified. >> she may have the experience to be president of the united states. no one can argue that, but in terms of her judgment, something is clearly lacking. >> i intend to have the number of delegates that are required to be nominated. >> and just like the candidates, our political team is up and running this morning.
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seven of our political reporters fanning out across the state this hour from new york city and the boroughs to albany. let me start with msnbc political correspondent steve kornacki. great seeing you. there were two contests over the weekend. tell us where the race stands now. >> all right, let's take a look at the big board on the republican side. you see the states, they're all colored in that have voted so far. you see donald trump sitting on a delegate lead here over cruz of just over 200. that tightened mainly because of this. colorado. now, colorado doesn't have a primary. it doesn't have a caucus. what it does, it has a series of congressional district caucuses and then a state convention. delegates are chosen that way. the story here is all about organization. ted cruz was organized. he had prepared for this. he had his people out there. donald trump had none of that. so when all of that process concluded over the weekend, there were 34 delegates up for grabs. and 34 of them go to ted cruz. so he outorganized and he
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outhustled donald trump. we're also seeing that in a couple other states here, in iowa, over the weekend, in south carolina, in virginia. you're seeing delegates slots here that donald trump is guaranteed. these are delegates who are going to be elected to the convention to vote for him on the first ballot. hot the cruz people are doing is putting their own people into the slots. they'll be required to vote in the states for trump on the first ballot. if it gets to a second ballot, they're going to abandon him. on the democratic side, we can show you where things stand. hillary clinton, as we say, lost wyoming to bernie sanders. now, this is the category of delegates the sanders people are always talking about. the pledged delegates. the delegates given out in the primaries and caucuses. they say if they can catch hillary clinton in this column, then the delegates in this column, the superdelegates, they will change their allegiance. they will have to change their alee allegian allegiance. the good news for bernie sanders, he won wyoming.
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he won sevdelegates out of the state, and hillary clinton won seven. he did not put a dent in this. this is a gap of 246. he trailed hillary clinton by 246 pledged delegates. to make it more confusing and complicated, the state of washington already has voted. bernie sanders won it big. they haven't actually given out all the delegates yet. when they do, that 246 is going to come down to 210. but 210 is still an awful lot of ground for bernie sanders to make up. i'll give you one good example. new york is the next state to vote. bernie sanders an underdog there right now. 247 delegates up for grabs in new york. even if sanders comes close in new york and loses, that delegate number is going to get bigger. that delegate gap for him is going to get bigger. it's going to go in the wrong direction. to make up 210 delegates in a democratic race, the way these things are given out in democratic races, that is a steep, steep hill to climb. bernie sanders basically has to win out if he's going to do it, starting with new york, jose.
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>> so steve, stay with that, the graphic you have on the big board there. explain to us how you can win a state like wyoming and end up tied. >> so this is -- the democratic rules, and this applies in every state. it's proportional. they're set up in a way to sort of maximize the number of delegates even that losing candidates can get, provided they cross a threshold. the threshold on the democrat, side is 15%. usually, they do this by congressional district. wyoming only has one congressional district. basically, what that means is if you're winning a congressional district or in the case of wyoming, if you're winning a state, you have to win big to get a delegate advantage out of it. bernie sanders won wyoming on saturday. he got 56% of the vote. to have an actual delegate advantage because of these proportional rules, you really have to be winning with 57% or more. so sanders got close to the point where he would have flipped it to like an 8-6 win in
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the delegates, but he didn't actually get over that number. >> so steve, let's go to the republican side. i want to pick up on something you said that over the weekend, the 34 delegates on the republican party, cruz outorganized and outhustled, to use your terms, the trump campaign. how do you do no you do you do ? what exactly does that mean? how do you get the 34 delegates and what do they to? ? it means the cruz campaign has been busy for like a year in colorado, identifying, putting people in place, first of all, to organize the state, to organize congressional districts, to organize counties, to identify supporters, to turn them out. it's really colorado, what it is, a series of events. it's a series of time consuming events. so it rewards campaigns that have really committed supporters who are organized, who know what they're doing, who know to show up at these events. they'll take hours out of their day, full weekends if necessary, and then there's a series of procedural votes and parliamentary things that take place at these events.
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the campaign was ready for every one of them. it knew who its people were, what they needed to do, it was able to communicate to them exactly what they needed to do. meanwhile, donald trump didn't have anything like that. he showed up, his people, i should say, showed up, tried to give out lists to their supporters, vote for this person for delegate, vote for that person. it turned out in some of those cases the names they were giving their supporters weren't even on the ballot. this is an epic -- like harlem globetrotters versus washington generals stuff. bad news for trump over the weekend. >> so appreciate it, man. thanks for always clearing it up. appreciate it. >> let's talk more about the republican race. it's moving quickly with just a week to go until the new york primary. hallie jackson and jacob rascon are covering the gop side of things for us. good morning to both. let me start with you, jacob, in new york city's capital. we now know what happened over the weekend in places like colorado. but weren't these private meetings and strategy sessions that trump's been having
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supposed to prevent this from happening? >> well, they're all going on at the same time. when he was not in colorado and not in california, which he canceled those events, he was meeting some of that time with his team. i want to show you around, if you don't mind. this is the arena we have, that trump is going to have his event tonight in albany. seats many thousands of people. police have already started blocking off some of the street. i want to show you the first supporter we have so far, and his car. we'll go over and show you how it says go trump. his name is steve. we'll talk to him in just a minute. he does this over and over for different events, for different singers, for hockey players, and now for trump. here he is right here. so steve, why do you do this for trump? >> the country needs help. okay. we regulate the gas prices. the trade. we have to keep the jobs in this
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country. he's the man to do it. and -- >> steve, you're first in line here. >> okay. >> you want to be able to meet mr. trump, don't you? >> i want to be on stage with mr. trump tonight. and say a couple words. and just to know that we're supporting him upstate new york. and he's the man for the job. >> let's take a quick look at your car. a 2004 chevrolet cavalier, right? >> yep. >> on the front, it says what? >> on the front, it says dj trump, winner, 2016. that's absolutely correct. okay. absolutely correct. hands down, mr. trump will be the winner. we all know that. and we will support him all the way through. >> there you have it, rojose. a true believer. trump 2016. >> and jacob, something we now
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know this morning. trump's children aren't able to vote for him, right, in the primary next week? >> yeah, so he talked about that this morning as he called into an interview for the first time in a little while. even his own children missed some sort of deadline. we're not sure if that's because they needed to switch party or if that's because they missed the registration that happened in march, i think march 25th. it looks like they're not going to be able to vote for him in the primary. >> then talk about the delegate system. according to our numbers, he's benefitted, trump has, far more than cruz when it comes to these sort of rules, right? >> right, so an nbc analysis shows the delegate system has favored trump so far, where he's only won 37% of the popular vote, but is ahead by 45% in the delegates. he's complaining a lot about colorado. we know, though he was simply outmaneuvered there. now you have the convention manager coming out and saying we're going to do our own maneuvering in the next couple weeks. >> jacob rascon, thank you very
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much, with that car spray painted for trump, which by the way, i have my car spray painted for hallie jackson on it. >> i love your car. it's my favorite car on the planet. thank you, pal. >> it says hallie jackson, 2016, and forever. let's talk about the cruz campaign. colorado left trump calling foul, a top aide even accusing cruz's people of employing gestapo tactics. >> these were strong words from trump's new top aide. paul manafort, this newly hired delegate wrangler working to really nail down trump's strategy moving forward. the cruz campaign is pushing back hard gents that. their line is, and i'm paraphrasing here, trump knows he's getting beaten in the delegate count when it comes to delegate strategy, so he's pushing the false narrative that the cruz campaign has to respond to. when it comes to all of this, the cruz team is now in the position of having to explain the rules, having to sman the process and defending the system that trump is railing against, that he has been railing against for a while, as this kind of
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insurgent candidate. but bottom line, when you have sort of these new folks coming into the gop, people that trump is bringing into the tent, the cruz campaign is now explaining this relatively complicated delegate process to them, and it can be tricky. what's interesting is we saw the car in jacob's live shot with steve. steve said trump is going to win. look at the new polling out from fox news in new york. it shows trump is above the 50% threshold. 54%. and actually, that's flipped. cruz is in third with 15% and kasich at 22%. trump, why is it significant he's over 50? look how the delegate are allocated. if trump is able to stay above 50%, he sweeps the congressional districts. if he does that, his math gets much easier. he would need about 53% of remaining delegates through the rest of the campaign season if he's able to come out in new york and take all 95 of those delegates. a lot at stake in new york. eight days away. we will be here a lot. i will be joined by kristen welker and steve kornacki and
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jacob rascon in new york, which is nice to see everybody in one place. >> it is indeed. great seeing you. thanks so much. >> we're showing you on jour monitor bernie sanders is holding a town hall in new york. let's listen in. >> always something we want to hear, but it's necessary that we do hear it or else we're not going to make the changes that we need. truth number one. we have a corrupt campaign finance system, which is undermining american democracy. this is a very big deal. because democracy means one person, one vote. not billionaires buying elections.
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when you have a handful of billionaire families like the koch brothers and some others, when they are prepared to spend some $900 million in this election cycle to represent, to fund candidates who will represent the wealthy and the powerful, that is not democracy. that is oligarchy. and that is why together we are going to overturn this disastrous citizens united supreme court decision. and furthermore, we've got republican governors all over this country who are working overtime not trying to bring
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more people into the political process, but trying to suppress the vote and making it harder for people to participate. so i say to those cowardly republican governors, if you don't have the guts to participate in free, fair, and open elections, get out of politics and get another job. no more suppression of the vote in america. our goal is if you're 18 years of age and a citizen of this country, you have the right to vote. end of discussion.
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but it's not only a corrupt campaign finance system. it is a rigged economy. and it's important that everybody understand what is going on in our economy today. it's not something that the media focuses on a whole lot. but it's important that we understand it. today in america, we have more income and wealth inequality than any other major country on earth, and it's worse today than at any time since 1928. today in america, listen to this, the top one tenth of 1%, not 1%, one tenth of 1%, now owns almost as much wealth as the bottom 90%.
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today, in america, the 20 wealthiest people, 20 people, not a whole lot of people, own more wealth than the bottom 150 million americans. half of our society. today in america, one family, the walton family, owns -- who own walmart, one family owns more wealth than the bottom 40% of the american people. and when we talk about a rigged economy, it is not only massive levels of wealth inequality. it is the fact that the walton family pays wages so low to its employees at walmart that many of those workers are forced to go on food stamps and medicaid. and do you know who pays higher taxes for those food stamps and
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that medicaid? yeah. that's exactly right. the middle class does. so that is what a rigged economy is about. where the middle class of this country has to subsidize the wealthiest family in america because they refuse to pay their workers living wages. so i say -- i say to the walton family, get off of welfare. start paying your workers a living wage. but it is not only wealth inequality. it's what's happening to income in america. i say this to the young people here. unless we turn around our economy, there is a strong possibility that your generation
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for the first time in the modern history of this country, will have a lower standard of living than your parents. you all know that the american dream is about, and i'm a result, a product of that american dream. my father came to this country from poland at the age of 17. didn't have a nickel in his pocket. couldn't speak english. he never made a whole lot of money, but he and my mom works very hard to make sure that their two kids did better than they did. that's the dream that millions and millions of people in this country have experienced. and i will be damned if we're going to see the american dream die. [ cheers and applause ]
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[ chanting "bernie" ] >> and that is what the political revolution is about. it's about saying that when millions of people stand up and fight back, we can create a government that represents all of us, not just a handful of billionaire campaign contributors. now, one of the most exciting aspects of this campaign, it's been very gratifying to me, is when we began this campaign, all of the pundits and the media
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were saying young people, they're not really interested in politics. they're not interested in government. they're very busy with their video games or whatever else. but what we have seen throughout this campaign is young people understand the simple truth. you are the future of this country. and you have every right in the world to fight to make sure that that future works for you. and when we talk about the major issues facing our country, we also have to recognize that we have a broken criminal justice system.
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and what this campaign is largely about is asking you to think outside of the box, to think outside of the status quo. to understand that you have got to determine what the real problems facing this country, because the media is not going to do it for you. and here is a real problem. that we have got to be very ashamed about. and we have to address. we have more people in jail than any other country on earth. china has a population about four times as large as we are. china is a communist authoritarian country that does not tolerate dissent terribly
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well. yet, we have more people in jail than china has. so this is an issue that we will address. let me just point out some of the things that i think we have got to recognize. number one, not talked about at all, and the point i'm going to make over and over again this morning, is many of the most important issues facing this country are not discussed by the media. and just because it's not on cnn or nbc does not make these issues real issues. and here's an example of that. today in america, for kids, young people between the ages of 17 and 20 who graduated high
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school, not dropouts, graduated high school, if the kids are white, real unemployment and underemployment is 33%. kids are latino, 36%. kids are african-american, 51%. so here is a not so radical idea. we are going to invest in our young people in jobs and education. [ cheers and applause ] we're going to invest in jobs and education, not jails and incarceration. i want this country to have the
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best educated people in the world, not more people in jail than any other country. and when we talk about criminal justice, if you are tired and i am tired of seeing videos on tv of unarmed americans, often african-americans, being killed by police officers. now, i have been a mayor in burlington, vermont, for eight years. and i have worked with police officers all of my life, and the vast majority of police officers are honest, hard-working, trying to do a very difficult job.
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but like any other public official, if a police officer breaks the law, that officer must be held accountable. furthermore, we must demilitarize local police departments. we must make local police departments reflect the diversity of the communities they serve. we must end private ownership of prisons and detention centers. >> senator bernie sanders in a town hall meeting this morning
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in new york. however, this beginning of the town hall meeting really an opportunity for him to once again lay down his positions. msnbc's beth fouhy joins me this morning. good seeing you. we're just hearing from sanders. the rhetoric has been heating up in the past couple of days. is this something we're going to be seeing in the future? because you know, it seems as though after the who's qualifies and who isn't, and that kind of went, you know, they turned the page on that, do you see this heating up any more before the primaries in new york? >> yeah, you saw there at that rally, jose, in binghamton, the flagship university of new york. he's very popular with students, with young people. he's also going to be in albany where there's another big rally among students, another big suny campus. what we heard basically is his stump speech there. he talks about income inequality, criminal justice and so forth. on the weekend shows, yesterday,
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he did heat up his rhetoric. he started to say secretary clinton, his opponent is perhaps, he didn't go so far as to say she was disqualified, but he said she had exercised poor judgment. he's starting to reframe the term from qualified to what kind of judgment has she executed in her vote to authorize the iraq war, her relationship with big banks, that kind of think. he's definitely dialed back the issue of being qualified, but he is saying she has bad judgment. that's a serious charge to level. >> hillary clinton has been questioning his judgment in the past or no? >> well, she has hinted at things, she said basically she doesn't know that he's done his homework. she's never gone as far to say he's unqualified. he and his team interpreted many things she said last week, including here on msnbc and "morning joe," to suggest he wasn't qualified. that's when he went out and jabbed at her, suggesting she was unqualified as well. hillary clinton has never said
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that. on her morning show appearances yesterday, she repeated she wasn't going to say anything negative about him. she would much rather see him being the presidential nominee than ted cruz or donald trump. she doesn't want to get into that fight, jose. she's way ahead in new york. it does not help her to do that. >> and i think it's important that we point out that she never said that. so, you know, there's a lot of things that go around. you have to go back to the original source. but new york is such an intense battle. it seems as though hillary clinton's lead there is pretty strong and pretty solid. >> pretty strong and pretty solid because she was the senator here for eight years. the voters here know her very well. they know her downstate, upstate, she was very attentive to their needs. it's going to be hard for bernie sanders, who is not well known here, even though he grew up in brooklyn, has that thick brooklyn accent, he hasn't been in the state in a long time. he will probably do as well with students, younger voters, as he
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has in other states. he's prioritizing those audiences here in new york. he may break through in a few other areas. really, it's hillary clinton's to lose. >> beth fouhy, good to see you. coming up, we have new york city, known as a hotbed of progressives, but with only eight days left until the primary, what do republican voters and their new york values think will make the difference? we're live in the only new york borough that's consistently republican, next. before earning enough cash back from bank of america to buy a new gym bag. before earning 1% cash back everywhere, every time and 2% back at the grocery store. even before he got 3% back on gas. kenny used his bankamericard cash rewards credit card to join the wednesday night league. because he loves to play hoops. not jump through them. that's the excitement of rewarding connections. apply online or
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great seeing you. what are they telling you today? >> always great to see you, too, jose. what you just said is true, but it's all relative. sta staten island is the hope to the most republican population in new york city, but it's only 29% of the registered voter population. the home of reagan democrats, but it's trump country as well. we're at mike's unicorn diner. my new friend paul, we're going to talk to him about the election. paul, who are you liking in the election coming up? >> donald trump. >> you're liking donald trump. >> absolutely. >> why? >> well, he's a total businessman. i can relate to them because i was in business once. >> yeah. >> and he's a self-made billionaire. >> so what is your main issue? is it the economy? what is your big voting issue? >> the illegal immigrants. >> immigration is your number one issue. >> yes. >> and what do you -- do you believe donald trump can
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actually achieve building this wall across the southern border? >> absolutely. >> how do you think he would be able to do that? >> well, i'm not sure, to be honest with you. >> okay. >> i have confidence in him. >> that's what you want to see happen? >> absolutely. >> let me ask you, do you worry about donald trump's unfavorable ratings with those who oppose that idea and polls show it would hurt donald trump in the fall, are you worried about that? >> no, absolutely not. >> are you a registered republican? >> yes. >> you're good to go, registered to vote on april 19th? >> good. excellent. you see, jose diaz-balart, and the reason i asked paul the question is because this county really is home to more democrats than republicans, even though, you know, new york city, the rest of the boroughs are like 70% democratic and here it's like 29% republican, a lot of people haven't reregistered as republicans in order to vote on april 19th. if they didn't, that's a problem for donald trump. he definitely has solid support here in staten island.
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as you heard, immigration and the economy are the issues. >> by the way, two of his children didn't make the cut to register for these primaries in time. >> indeed. and it shows you, jose, why you have to have a ground game. because hopefully, the trump campaign did get out to a borough like staten island where he has support, and among democrats, and get the folks to register as republicans. we'll see if he did that. >> joy reid, great seeing you. my monday is made when i get to talk to joy reid. >> and now to the queens borough of new york, not only the city's largest borough, but one of the most diverse in the entire country. nearly half of the population made up of minorities. latinos at 17%, african-americans around 13%, asians at 5%. for many of the immigrants in queens county, this election will severely impact their lives. cal perry is live in queens. where he's been talking to local community organizers. good to see you.
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>> good morning, jose. so it's the flipside of that new york city coin. save your money on international travel. we're at a street right now, sort of the cross section between bangladeshi and indian restaurants, but a huge hispanic population here. we spoke to a community organizer. he said the two mainige e issue first, wage theft, how immigrants are oftentimes taken advantage of. the other is straightforward immigration. we have a variety of views. a republican view on that issue, a democratic view. i ask how that's affecting the election. take a listen. >> because you have such different messages on either end of the political spectrum, would you say people are more motivated now this election than they have been in the past? >> i think, you know, the question in people's minds is how is the next president going to impact my life? for immigrants, they're seeing that their lives are going to be tremendously impacted.
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whoever gets elected. on the one hand, we have a chance of finally getting comprehensive immigration reform through. on the other hand, we might see mass deportations or at least the attempt of mass deportations. >> you talk about a neighborhood, this jackson heights, 70% immigrant population. so that issue, that issue of immigration specifically, the threat of deportations, we know the "boston globe" cover story this week sort of showing that fear. well, it's playing here, and it's possible, and i asked manny in that interview, is it possible that we'll see more people coming out and voting in the democratic primary because of what donald trump is saying? because of that message? he said absolutely. it's driving people to the polls. fear is playing here, jose. >> cal perry in queens, thanks so very much. coming up, two of the top gop candidates have said they would support using waterboarding to fight terrorism. what the head of the cia tells richard engel, something very different. an exclusive interview you will
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exclusive interview with nbc news, cia director john brennan says his agency will not be using waterboarding even if a future president orders it. richard engel interviewed brennan and joins me from new york. good seeing you. >> good to see you. i was at the cia headquarters this weekend. and we were on the seventh floor, which is the executive floor, and i was there to interview the cia director brennan, to talk about something else. we were talking about successes against al qaeda, against the strategy for fighting isis. in the course of our interview, we were talking about lessons learned and mistakes made in the past. this came up. and he actually brought it up. he said that the enhanced interrogation program is not coming back. that waterboarding in particular is not something that the cia
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will do again. that this is something that they have learned from in the past, and are not going to engage in it. i think you have a clip cued up. >> this organization will do what it can to protect the american public from the attacks from terrorist groups. i will not agree to carry out some of these tactics and techniques that i have heard bandied about because this institution needs to endure. and as i said, we have learned lessons from the past. we have a lot of capabilities and competencies and skills. so i don't believe we need to resort to certain types of tactics. >> like waterboarding? >> absolutely. i would not agree to having any cia officer carrying out waterboarding again. >> what's significant is that there's already an order by president obama making waterboarding and other harsh
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interrogation tactics illegal. what was significant is the environment, and that this is in, because you have trump in particular saying that if he got elected president, he's going to do waterboarding and much more in order to, in his opinion, extract information from terrorism suspects. the cia director was saying they're not rolling back the clock, no matter who is in the white house. >> well, as a matter of fact, richard, this morning, trump responded to the director's stance on enhanced interrogation techniques. mainly, waterboarding. >> i think his comments are ridiculous. they chop off heads and drown people in big, steel, heavy cages. drop them into the water, drown people, and we can't waterboard and can't do anything. you know, we're playing on different fields. and we have a huge problem with isis, which we can't beat. the reason we can't beat them is we won't use strong tactics, whether it's this or other
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things. >> yeah, clearly, a major disagreement there, richard, between trump and the director. >> well, there's a major disagreement also in society, whether these practices worked at all. many people will tell you that they were not very effective. other advocates will say they were necessary. but the cia is saying that whether that debate is out there or not, it is not going to be left out to -- to deal with this problem again. because if you remember, after the cia, which was asked by the bush administration and had a legal opinion that has since been discredited, it staill facd grand juries that people involved in the program were investigated. they had to hire their own lawyers. and many at the agency felt they were going to end up in jail. and got away with this by the skin of their teeth, and don't
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want to go back. you heard the director brennan say the agency has to survive. so that's -- he's thinking of it as a legacy issue for these actual cia. >> i guess, richard, if for was to be changes because it's now currently illegal, that's an executive order. i guess a new president could rescind the order and get a new cia head and maybe that would change? >> there will be a lot of legal hurdles, i can only imagine all the different documents that have been created to make that not as easy as it might sound. >> richard engel, great seeing you. thank you very much. you can catch more of richard engel's exclusive interview with john brennan tonight on nbc nightly news. for more on the democratic race for president, i want to bring in congresswoman carolyn maloney of new york. a hillary clinton supporter. a pleasure to see you. >> good to see you again. >> thanks. before we do that, i want you thoughts on richard engel's
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interview with director brennan. this whole issue of enhanced interrogation and the fact that it is now, you know, not possible to do. and yet you have some of the candidates saying, you know what. i would go there and further. >> well, you have heard from many people that said that it didn't work. so we're constantly, i would say the number one priority of any president is to protect our citizens and to protect our people. and certainly combatting and stopping and ending isis is a priority of hillary clinton and every democrat. and how to achieve that is a matter of ongoing debate, with brennan making this statement, i think it's significant. and important. and i agree with richard's assessment, to change that would be very difficult. >> all right, and now let's talk a little more politics with you. so sanders has kind of walked back comments about hillary clinton not being qualified to be president. but he still says he has questions about her overall
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judgment. i want you to listen to what he said just recently. >> what i said is that a candidate like secretary clinton who voted for the disastrous war in iraq, who has supported virtually every disastrous trade agreement, which has cost us millions of decent paying jobs, and who receives incredible amounts of money, we're talking about tens of millions of dollars through her super pac from every special interest you can think of, from the billionaire class, you know, i have my doubts about what kind of president she would make. >> so how would you respond to that, congresswoman? >> i would say that hillary clinton is by far the most qualified candidate in my lifetime to run for president. i had the opportunity to work closely with her when she was the first lady, where she brought and passed health care for children, for millions of children in america. eight years as our senator, where no one did more to create jobs in upstate new york with the economic incentives and
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creative ways. but practically daily, i worked with her on the response to 9/11. and was able to see how she could take her idealism and turn it into ideas that came, that became laws to help people. we completely transformed our intelligence system, created the department of homeland security, and for roughly eight years, i worked with her on the whole 9/11 health and compensation, where she was creative, really brilliant, in ideas and ways to help get this important bill passed. she is incredibly smart. and i'm not only a fan, i'm a friend. she brings not only her years as first lady, eight years as senator to our great state, and as secretary of state. so she's imminently qualified in all areas to lead our country as our commander in chief. and also, she has dedicated her life to helping people and helping women. i was with her in beijing when
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she gave that very important speech that women's right are human rights, and human rights are women's rights, where she really elevated the discussion of women's issues, of equality of pay, of treatment, of paid family leave. move these issues into a national debate, an international debate. she has done so much to advance the rights of women and children in our country. and to make our country safer and stronger. she is imminently qualified. and more importantly, she doesn't just talk. she gets things done. she is a change maker. i'm excited, really excited, about having someone with her head and with hillary's heart in the oval office. >> so congresswoman, very quickly, you speak about the difference between idealism versus ideas. are you implying that bernie sanders is maybe more idealism than ideas? >> well, i have worked with both of them. i have worked with hillary
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clinton for 20 years. i sat beside bernie on the financial services committee when he was in the house. and both hillary and bernie are very idealistic, but hillary's ideas and programs, she is so substantive, independent economists and factcheck.org have rated her proposals as doable and sound. they don't do that with bernie's. they say how are you going to pay for it? how are you going to get republican governors to -- who are cutting higher education, to pay for higher education? so she has a record that is deep and strong on actually accomplishing, on getting things done that help people. i am firmly committed to her. i have great respect for her. but let me tell you, she will be our strongest candidate in november. and never has the choice been starker between republicans and
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democrats than in this election. >> congresswoman carolyn maloney, always a pleasure to see you. >> former president bill clinton holding a campaign rally in the bronx. let's listen in to that. >> -- about the middle east that a lot of people in this election don't. if you really want peace there, if you want a better deal for all the people who live there, if you're sympathetic with the poverty of the palestinians who seem to be poor nowhere else in the world, when they go elsewhere in the world, they do great. they have the highest per capita income of any ethnic group, just for example, in ecuador, they control the hemisphere's flour trade out of colombia, they do great. but you can't help them unless the israelis know the united states is committed to their security. to their prosperity, then you can have influence to help
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good morning, everyone. i'm tamron hall coming to you live this morning from the brooklyn roasting company in the heart of brooklyn, new york. the state, of course, that holds the next major presidential contest, right now, here bernie sanders is continuing his rally in binghamton, new york, and bill clinton is speaking in the bronx. also today, hillary clinton, bernie sanders, donald trump, and john kasich are holding

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