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any minute in rochester. we have new polling today. showing him falling even further behind hillary clinton in new york. the senator now trying to win over blue-collar democrats while increasing the turnout of young voters. on the republican side, donald trump continues his tirade tour against his own party. he's now calling the primary process rigged after ted cruz shut him out in colorado over the weekend. the head of the rnc firing back at the front-runner saying rules are rules and nothing has changed. so once again, it's trump versus the machine. with voters growing impatient on the sidelines. >> we're not going to take it anymore. it's a corrupt system. it's a totally corrupt, rigged system. >> donald has been yelling and screaming. >> it's a crooked, crooked system. >> a lot of whining. >> if i'm the only one that can win in the fall, how do you pick somebody else? >> maybe in addition to winning,
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maybe we'll clean up the system so that in future years we can have an honest contest. >> and we're also moments away from john kasich about to take the stage here in new york city to deliver a major speech. it's a policy speech comparing his to the other republican candidates. our political team standing by from washington to across the state of new york. covering all the campaigns. let me start with nbc's jacob rascon in upstate new york where trump will be later today. jacob, good morning. you've got trump against the party. who's going to come out on top on this one? >> hey, jose. hope you'll bear with us. we're on a phone here as the secret service is about to do their sweep inside the trump rally. so trump versus the establishment, it's almost the same story it's been for ten months. you have this outsider who has been saying i'm going to win, i'm deg to win. and he's been winning, but now you have wisconsin and colorado.
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and trump now is saying, it's all rigged. it fits, though, into his argument that he is against the establishment. but at the same time, you have him behind the scenes trying to do outreach in washington, d.c. trying to have, for example, his new convention manager oversee this new d.c. office. you have two arguments at the same time. and then you have reince priebus who actually tweeted about this, saying, look, the rules are the same. they have always been the same. nothing has changed here. so you have this back and forth. but the bottom line, a trump adviser tells me, is when donald trump gets up in albany, new york, or here where we are today, and he says that the system is corrupt, the crowd goes wild. we have seen it. the voters, this resonates with those trump voters who are not usually part of the system. they're not used to, for example, coming to a political rally ever. for a lot of people i have talked to, they haven't even voted ever. so that's part of trump's
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argument, that's why he thinks this will work for him. he has a lot of momentum on the east coast states. he's going to ride that through and watch for him to continue making this argument. even though behind the scenes his advisers are hoping that he can clinch that nomination and they are confident, they say, they see a path forward to do it before the convention because they're really worried if he doesn't, if he can make it on a second ballot. jose. >> so jacob, assuming he does become the nominee, we're getting insight into a possible trump running mate? >> right. so he said in an interview, this just yesterday, he said i haven't offered any vice president names. then he offered a few. he mentioned rubio, who has said he's not going to be anybody's vice president. and he mentioned kasich, who said just again this morning, i'm not going to be anybody's vice president. and then he mentioned walker, who is not -- he has not come down and said he's not going to
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be anybody's vice president, but trump went after walker hard in wisconsin, and every rally, he said we have a budget deficit here, we have big problems in wisconsin. and he threw out numbers and the governor of wisconsin, walker, was live tweeting, fact checking him. very interesting relationship there. that's what he said. he through out those three names. notably, he did not mention christie or carson. the only former rivals of his who have endorsed him. jose. >> jacob rascon in upstate new york, i thank you, even with the little bit of techinal problems, wee able to hear you and see you well. hallie jackson is following the cruz campaign. good morning to you. convention and wisdom would indicate the trump fight is good news for cruz. when you look at the delegate count, colorado didn't make that much of a difference. what's cruz's strategy. >> when you look at the numbers, the idea for the cruz campaign is to get in there and drill down when it comes to delegates. they're still continuing to try to win outright in some of the
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primaries so they'll look ahead to places like, for example, pennsylvania, where they think they can pull some folks away, where you'll see ted cruz tomorrow actually out in erie, holding a rally. you're also seeing him compete in places like california, watch for new mexico and montana. bottom line, the campaign believes if they can drill down when it comes to these delegates, if they can convince these delegates who are unbound on a second ballot or beyond to back ted cruz, then they have a real shot, they believe, at getting a nomination, at getting the nomination in cleveland. now, of course, this is only if trump is unable to hit that magic number, that 1,237 number, before maybe june 7th. obviously before cleveland, jose. >> and hallie, is it me or does it seem like cruz is kind of ignoring new york a bit? is he not giving new york value? >> i see what you did there, jose. i think there's a couple reasons for this. number one, when you look at where the polling is, donald trump in poll after poll after poll is above sgifrt%. he looks very strong in his home
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state. the cruz campaign will say, hey, of course, donald trump should be very successful in his home state. they'll say ted cruz won texas. donald trump should win new york. that said, they're also looking ahead to some future conteshs. we talked about, for example, california. that's where you saw ted cruz hold a couple rallies yesterday. you talk about pennsylvania, where he'll be tomorrow. he will be back in new york. he will continue to hold rallies in new york. that's something he talked about publicly of coming to new york to compete. the strategy in this state is not to compete necessarily for a win. that just seems totally out of reach at this point. it's to be able to peel delegates off in places like upstate new york and western new york where there aren't many republicans and the campaign feels they can put in a get out the vote effort to turn out the smaller number of republicans. remember, not to get in the weeds, but because each congressional district will give three delegates, each district sort of is valued differently. in a place where there's fewer republicans. you can get more bang for your
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buck if you focus there. >> hallie jackson, thank you very much. good seeing you. in about 15 minutes from now, we're expecting what is billed as a pretty significant speech from john kasich. he's currently polling second in new york, and it appears his normally positive message may be shifting a bit. kelly o'donnell is watching the kasich campaign. what do we know about the speech today? >> well, good morning, jose. in many ways this is a best of many of the kinds of comments, statements, and views we have seen with john kasich at his town hall meetings. this is a way to put in one place, in one big speech, framed as a real vision and message for his campaign, in the city with the biggest media market, a chance for people to take another look at john kasich. he's been telling us, being second in the polls in new york is important for him. in other years, people wouldn't be cheering about that, but under these circumstances, he thinks it is a way for him to get new attention. so a lot of what we will hear will be, as i say, the
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highlights of what he's been saying on the campaign trail. but synthesized, not in the back and forth with voters, but in a formal speech. i'll give you a sense of how he is also trying to frame this as a vision of hope versus kind of the rhetoric of fear and hatred and things that would diminish the united states in the world. here's one example where you can read between the lines, you'll be able to hear that this is an attack on his rivals without ever naming him and in a sort of polite way. here's a quote from what kasich will say today. i have stood on a stage and watched in amazement as candidates wallowed in the mud, viciously attacked one another, called each other liars and disparaged each other's character. those who continuously push that type of behavior are not worthy of the office they are seeking. again, trying to say to voters, if that's what you're hearing on the campaign trail, is that fitting of the office of the president? and the image and reputation of the united states around the world? now, another way that john kasich is sort of separating
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himself from other candidates in the field is how he has responded to questions about some of the issues brewing in certain states, dealing with lgbt rights, issues of how to deal with gay marriage, what's happening with respect to transgender issues. as you know, jose, north dakota has a new law that restricts access to public restrooms for those who are transgender. john kasich has talked about it on the trail, and in a special town hall forum last night, he addressed this issue and tries to basically say i may not agree, but what are we all worried about? here's that clip. >> i read about this thing they did in mississippi where apparently jow can deny somebody service because they're gay. what the hell are we doing in this country? i mean, look. i may not appreciate a certain lifestyle or even approve of it, but it doesn't mean i have to go write a law and try to figure out how to have another wedge issue. because one of the things that's happening on this issue itself is that there are politicians
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that are using it to get publicity, which ultimately divides us. we had a supreme court ruling, and you know what, let's move on. >> so john kasich says he's for traditional marriage, but now that the high court has acted, let's leave that alone. he talks about the need for religious institutions to have religious freedom, to not be pushed in a direction that is counter to their faith, but basically, his message is the country does not need more laws that restrict access for people who might be gay or transgender. doesn't need more laws to deal with issues that might make some people uncomfortable. he's trying to say, be more tolerant, focus on other kinds of problems. trying to say to republicans, these sorts of issues are not where the party should be, and not where the national conversation should be. jose. >> nbc's kelly o'donnell, thank you so very much. new numbers for you on the state of the race in new york. as well as where the candidates stand nationally. here to give us all the details, nbc news senior editor mark
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murray. good morning to you. let's start with the republican race here in new york. where do things stand? >> jose, in our nbc/"wall street journal"/marist poll, it shows donald trump is at 54%. that's an important number because if he's above 50% in all the congressional districts, he could walk away with all of new york's 95 delegates. you have john kasich in second place at 21%, and ted cruz, the winner of wisconsin a week ago in at third place at 18%. >> and is that 54% more or less than what other polls in the past have shown him to have here in new york? >> yeah, jose, the polling has been very consistent in new york. every single poll that i have sign over the past two weeks has shown donald trump above 50%. of course, how much he is above 50% is going to be key for him to get all of those delegates. but right now, donald trump is in the clear driver's seat in this contest. >> so mark, let's talk about the republicans on a national level. how is trump doing there?
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>> you know, trump's leading but not as much as he is in new york. according to our nbc survey monkey online tracking poll, jose, donald trump has a 16-point lead, 46%. you have ted cruz at second at 30%. pretty consistent with what we have seen. and i actually think, jose, one way going state to state, state to state, so much depends on the geography and demographics of a state. it ted cruz wins wisconsin, donald trump looks like he's the favorite in new york, and a lot has to do with just the voter composition and the geography of that state more than the momentum. >> so let's talk about the democratic side. mark, what are things looking like for the primary here in new york? >> again, once again, momentum doesn't seem to be playing much of a role from what happened last week. hillary clinton has 14-point lead according to our poll. of new york, 55% to bernie sanders' 41%. every poll has shown her with a double-digit lead. she's not leading as big as
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trump is against his republicans competition, but a double-digit win for hillary clinton would allow her to rack up more delegates and put even more distance between herself and bernie sanders right nu. >> and then nationally? >> again, the nbc survey monkey online tracking poll has a closer race. six-point lead, hillary clinton at 49%, bernie sanders at 43%. it actually also is consistent with other national polling showing this to be a much closer race than a month ago and certainly three or four months ago. >> mark murray, great to see you. thank you very much for that very comprehensive roundup. let's do a little bit on the democratic campaign trail. following several live events for you. hillary clinton is at a roundtable in manhattan. bernie sanders is speaking at a rally in rochester also this hour, we're expecting to hear from bill clinton who is campaigning for his wife in flushing, queens. ee have all this covered for you. kasie hunt is following the sanders campaign in syracuse. kristen welker ing times square
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with the clinton campaign. alex seitz-wald is with the former president in queens. with one week to go until the primary,tua what sduz the sande campaign plan to do to close the gap with clinton in new york and it doesn't seem to be getting any closer? >> jose, good morning. it does look like a tough landscape for bernie sanders here in new york. but he has some advantages here in upstate new york. where there are a lot of white working class voters, a lot of young people. we're here at syracuse university. many students here will have waited five hours by the time they get a chance to see sanders this afternoon. he's focusing on issues that are important here in upstate new york. take a listen to what he had to say on the issue of fracking. >> fracking, and i salute all of you for demanding that your state government do the same. secretary clinton, when she was
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secretary of state, worked with some of the largest fossil fuel companies to push fracking in countries all over the world. >> governor cuomo, of course, has banned fracking already in new york state. but it's an issue that appeals to liberal voters. many of whom end up siding with sanders if they come out to the polls. that, of course, another central challenge for him, making sure that he gets all his voters out because independents can't vote in the new york democratic primary and they would have had to switch their registration quite some time ago. i have to tell you, this week and next, absolutely critical for bernie sanders' campaign. his campaign team knows it. the candidate himself under enormous pressure, more than at any other point. his campaign team is under a lot of pressure, too. they haven't expanded in a way that a campaign that might have come this far or expected to come this far would have
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otherwise under, in campaigns we have seen in the past. and of course, you have this upcoming trip to vatican city, bernie sanders deciding he wants to make a speech there on friday, which is going to take him out of new york for two of the critical days between now and next tuesday. we'll see if that ends ipbeing viewed as a mistake, jose. >> and he insisted he's going to go, right? >> it sounds like it, all systems go for the time being, yes. again, that's going to take him out. we are going to see several large rallies in new york city over the course of the next couple days. he has a big one planned in manhattan for tomorrow night. brooklyn on sunday, and prospect park, and then in queens on monday. they're expecting to surround this trip with a show of force here in new york. but he's still going to be missing the two critical days, jose. >> kasie hunt, thank you very much. i want to bring in kristen welker who is covering the clinton campaign in new york. good morning. let's talk a little bit about
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your reporting on the clinltden line of attack in the critical days before the primaries here. >> hey jose. good morning. that's right. a clinton campaign official telling me we're going to see secretary clinton and their team ramp up their attacks on senator sanders as they try to put the race away here in new york. she's specifically going to try to argue that he is untested. and she'll cite a number of his answers to the new york daily news interview that he gave in which he seemed to struggle with how he's going to shut down the big banks, for example, one of the central tenants of his campaign. she's also going to argue that she's the stronger one to go up against donald trump. we have, of course, seen parts of this argument unfold in recent days. take a listen to a little bit of what she had to say yesterday. >> i have noticed that under the bright spotlight and scrutiny here in new york, senator sanders has had trouble answering questions. trouble answering questions about his core issue, namely dealing with the banks.
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he's had trouble answering foreign policy questions. and so i look forward to a debate that is in new york with people asking the kind of questions that new yorkers ask. >> so a little bit of a preview of what we can expect to hear a little later on today. worth noting, jose, secretary clinton and her top surrogate, bill clinton, have also been taking sharp aim at donald trump in recent days. really allows them to do two things, which is to fight bernie sanders but also keep their eye on the general election. secretary clinton getting a little bit of negative news. we just, according to our latest poll, found out that 30% of democrats who support sanders say they wouldn't support clinton in a general election. she has some work to do there. an interview she gave to the editorial board of newsday, she says she feels confident she would be able to unify the party in the fall. jose. >> kristen welker in new york city, thank you very much. i want to go to another new york city borough, alex seitz-wald is
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following bill clinton in queens. alex, has bill clinton been finally able to put to rest the dest-up he had with black lives matters protesters last week? >> i'm not sure he has. every time he talks about this issue, he tends to make news. the democratic party has moved a lot since he was president, especially on criminal justice issues. i think he's a little torn between wanting to defend his legacy, especially the 1994 crime bill, and campaign for his wife in 2016 in the democratic party it is today. as you can see behind me, he's still a big draw. let me tell you about where we are. we're in the heart of the chinatown in flushings, queens. this congressional district is the number one asian congressional district in new york. also the larnest foreign-born congressional in new york and one of the largest in the country. you can expect to hear bill clinton doing some donald trump bashing on immigration reform, and make a pitch directly to the community here. we don't have a lot of data on how asian americans are likely
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to vote in new york. not a lot of past data, but clinton trying to lockdown people of color inside the city of new york, while bernie sanders expected to do a little better upstate, where you have a little tend to be a whiter demographic, jose. >> alex seitz-wald, thank you very much. kweel rr be monitoring that bill clinton rally coming up later this hour. i want to take you now to upstate new york. bernie sanders holding a rally in rochester. let's listen in for a bit. [ chanting "bernie" ] >> in the last month, we have won eight out of nine caucuses and primaries. [ cheers and applause ] in general election matchups, in the last one, last poll done by cnn, we were beating donald
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trump by 20 points. and in almost every instance, the margin, our margin against trump is wider than secretary clinton's. and if there is a large voter turnout a week from today, here in new york state, we're going to win here as well. [ cheers and applause ] let me just speak for a moment about two incidents yesterday that occurred. that really tell us where we are as a nation. you heard a few moments ago from
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larry. larry is the former president of the communication workers of america, one of our great unions. and i was in buffalo yesterday talking to employees of verizon who are going out on strike. and that is a very difficult decision. nobody goes out on strike without a lot of thought because there's a lot of pain going on in families when you don't have any income coming in. but they're going out on strike because they refuse to be beaten down by a greedy corporation. who could care less about them or the people of this country. all they want is more and more profit. and it doesn't matter what happens to their employees or
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people in america. this is what they want to do. they want to cut benefits for their employees. they want to throw american workers out on the street. and move their calling centers to low-wage countries around the world. they are not investing in inner cities in america, where people today do not have quality broadband. and they got their lawyers and tax accountants asking all the time, so that in a given year, in a given year, despite making billions of dollars in profit, they pay nothing, not a nickel, in federal taxes. that story number one, but what verizon is doing is not anything new. that is what major corporation
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after major corporation has done in the last number of decades. i was recently attacked by jeffrey imal, the head of general electric. and i say to him, if you continue to downsize in america, to outsource our jobs to low-wage countries around the world, if you continue to do your best to avoid paying taxes in the united states of america, you will have to contend with me if i'm elected president of the united states. >> bernie sanders in a rally in rochester, new york. naming names. we're one week away from the new york primary, and john kasich and bill clinton are holding major rallies themselves. we're going to take a live look
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this is called the irish espresso. mix of african and central american coffees. incredible. let's go to hillary clinton. she's speaking right now at the equal pay roundtable here in new york city. let's listen in. >> so why should we be paid less? now, myth number two. some say this is a problem just for women.
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that men don't have to worry about it. but that's wrong again. if you're a man married to a woman, if you're a man who is the son of a working woman, if you're the father to a young working woman, this is your problem, too. and plenty of men care about this issue because they believe in fairness, and they know this just isn't right. now, myth number three. some say isn't gender pay discrimination already illegal? why are we still talking about this? well, because it still happens every day. and i have been talking to many tens of thousands of people for the last year. it is one of the most commonly raised questions in all of the events that i do. i met a young man in new hampshire who got a job working as a cashier.
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he got the job in part because his mother was already a cashier at the same store. so when the vacancy came up, she talked to the manager. they interviewed her son, and he was hired. and he was, along with his mother, very excited. then he brought home his first paycheck. they opened it together. ready to celebrate. he was only 17 years old. and they discovered that after one week on the job, he was making a dollar an hour more than his mother who had worked there for four years. i was also asked by a young girl in las vegas, if you're elected the girl president, will you be paid the same as the boy president? i said, well, i think so. that's why organizations like glass door are important. because you promote
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transparency. that is really at the root of what we're going to be having to advocate for and secure. that's why we also need legislation like the paycheck fairness act, so people won't be fired or retaliated against for asking what their coworkers make. if you're scared of people having more information, that may raise a question you should ask yourself. maybe you're not being fair. now, there are a lot of other reasons why women end up earning less than men over the course of their lifetimes. and we've got to take all of those on. i'm very proud that new york and california have raised the minimum wage because nearly two thirds of minimum wage workers are women. two thirds of workers in tipped jobs are women. and those jobs are hard. they're often insecure. and they don't pay nearly enough. i hope the rest of the country will catch up with new york and
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california. women all over america deserve a raise. we also have to encourage more women to enter higher paying fields like science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. now, these were -- [ cheers and applause ] these were not that open to women, and in some cases just downright unwelcoming. now, more women are venturing in, contributing every day as innovators, inventors, coders, builders, and discoverers, and these are good jobs. good jobs mean better pay. we also have to do more to support working parents. moms and dads alike. so they can stay on the job and keep more of their paycheck. we should be supporting paid family leave in our country. >> and part of hillary clinton's words right here in new york city. both hillary clinton and bernie
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sanders are working hard to rally voters across new york ahead of the primary. especially in the heavily democratic borough of the bronx in new york city. former president bill clinton stumped for his wife as a jewish retirement home in the bronx yesterday, and who could forget secretary clinton's subway ride in the bronx last week. before that, bernie sanders drew a crowd of about 15,000 at a rally in the bronx more than a week ago. i want to go live now to the bronx and joy reid. great seeing you. >> always great to see you, too, jose. >> thanks. you have been talking to democratic voters there. what are they telling you this morning? >> well, jose, i tell you, we're here in the chilly bronx this morning. and we have been talking to voters, not surprisingly, hillary clinton does have a strong hold here in the bronx. but there is a lot of openness we're finding among the voters of color we spoke with this morning about bernie sanders, but one of the voters we spoke to, william brooks, illustrated what may be the big challenge
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for bernie sanders going forward. electability. take a listen. >> well, you know, i'm probably going to vote for hillary. >> wait a minute, now. okay, william. you said you like bernie. you went to his rally, but you're going to vote for hillary. what's the disconnect here? what's going on? >> because hillary is probably going to be, you know, the nominee. and i don't want my vote to be wasted. so i'm going it vote for her. and hopefully she'll incorporate bernie's ideas and the party can unite and have a united platform. >> and jose, wimmium was not the only voter we spoke to that expressed the idea of a bernie/hillary sort of union somehow on the ticket, but interesting that that voter in particular really liked bernie's message, particularly on jobs and the economy, but still says he's going in there and going to pull the lever for hillary clinton. jose. >> that's interesting that he says hopefully she would assume
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some of bernie's positions. but he doesn't want to -- i guess he thinks it could be a wasted vote if he does. that's an interesting concept, joy. >> a very interesting concept. it's interesting because the voters we have spoken with, and they range in age from an 18-year-old latino who is going to cast her first vote for hillary clinton, to a navy veteran who said he's undecided, african-american gentleman, who said what he's waiting for is one of the candidates to zero in on veterans issues. an issue focus. even the young woman who said she was about hillary said it's not about gender. she wants to hear the issues that are important. people are focused in the bronx. they said they're not doing it on demographics, but the idea of whether bernie sanders could actually become the nominee and become president, that is coming up with these voters we're talking with in the bronx. >> interesting. joy reid, great seeing you. thanks for being with me. >> the republican presidential contenders are also waging battle across new york, including long island, with a
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substantial number of republican voters there. and that's where we find msnbc's cal perry at the headquarters of the rnc in the suffolk county area. you're joined by the top gop official this morning. what are they telling you? >> yes, sir. we're joined by john j. luvol, the chairman of the republican party in suffolk county. what is it about trump's message that resonates with voters here in long island? >> the reality is people no longer trust our government. the government is failing us. people are hurting. and they want answers. they want a new direction for this country. and you know, the reality is, someone like donald trump is providing that leadership and providing that direction for them. >> now, donald trump is going to be having a fund wrazer day after tomorrow on thursday in an area that saw a hate crime in 2008. the "new york times" editorial board called it a disgraceful provocation on your part to invite him to do this rally. what's your response? >> it'srepublican county
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fund-raiser. we invited the presidential candidates to come. we're very proud to have donald trump come to our xunt. the reality is, this is about free speech. this is about america. this is the leading republican presidential candidate, probably the next president of the united states, coming to our community to speak to our community, to speak to our voters. the republican primary is on the 19th. we're proud to have him. this is truly an exercise in democracy, an exercise in free speech. this is america. >> do you see an issue or do you think you'll have a good turnout for the event? >> we're dpeeg have an awesome turnout. we're very excited about it, the community is very excited about it. the response has been absolutely incredible. people want to hear their leaders. and they're about to make a very important choice. i mean, we have had virtually a decade of just a leaderless country, someone like donald trump is speaking to the average american. and you know, he's saying the things, hitting that note, because he's not the politician
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that they're just tired of hearing from. he's a businessman. he's successful. he tells it like it is. you know, there's something to be said for that. it's a message to all leaders throughout this country that it's time to start to talk straight and not just say what you need to say to get re-elected. >> john, thank you so much for your time. i know you're a very busy man, especially this week as we hit crunch time here. more than 300,000 regterred republican voters here in suffolk county headed to the polls on tuesday. >> cal perry, thank you so very much. coming up, despite countless denials, paul ryan continues to be seen as a potential savior, as the republican nominee for president. our own luke russert got a chance to talk with the speaker of the house about why he would definitely not be putting his name in the nomination. i'm coming to you leave from brooklyn roasting company. this place has so much good coffee, i have tried so many of the variations, i'm not going to be able to sleep until june. d p?
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and we listened in to a bit of what hillary clinton was saying this morning. what bernie sanders was saying. john kasich is just starting to speak. let's listen in to a bit of that. >> only seek. only seek for us to fail. you know, presidents come, presidents go. and while a president does really matter, it's the democratic principles that have made us that leader for more than two centuries, that have been sturdy enough to transcend political and idealogical differences, a civil war, two world wars, and a century of technological and societal upheaval. through it all, we have remained history's greatest force for good because we have stayed true to who we are. one nation under god, with liberty and justice for all.
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this election may well be one of the most consequential of many generations because the next president will face so many complex pressures. both from within and from without. they will force tough decisions from not only our leaders but from every one of us. and we won't always like our options. the issues we confront from fighting isis, handling russia, china, north korea, and the middle east, to addressing displaced workers, civil rights, the new plague of drug addiction at home. as well as slow economic growth and rising debt. think about it. they're all critical. the importance of making the right choices certainly cannot be understated. it can overload us if we let it. but even in the face of this multitude of complex thorny
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problems, clarity can emerge. from the fog of anxiety, the seemingly endless choices can be reduced. and then reduced again, and then reduced again. and they eventually are whittled down to just two. and here they are. will we turn our backs on the ideals of america that have seen us through more than two centuries? or are we going to reaffirm that america is in ronald reagan's words, this last best hope for man on earth. ladies and gentlemen, this is our choice. for some, the challenges we face, the myriad choices, the potential changes that each decision presents, it could and maybe in some senses given rise to fear or anger, and of course, that can be polarizing. the response for some is to retreat into the past, to yearn for the way things used to be.
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to these people, today's america is only seen as a broken place. and the people who did the breaking are the other people with more money or less money. people with different sounding last names. or different religious beliefs. or different colored skin or lifestyles or whatever. you get the idea. we have been told that because of all this change, america has become dark. that we have succumbed and that we are no longer strong. we are told that we are no longer respected in the world. in fact, we're even told that foreign governments are actually controlling our destiny because they have become smarter than us and tougher than us. this picture of america in economic and world decline is of course always followed up with warnings of our impending
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destruction. for many americans, these fears and this outlook are as real as the building we're in today. and the anger they cause is real. it is true, we're fighters in america. but we fight for what is good. we fight for what is right. and when we do that, we win, don't we? we win. and don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise. when we come together, when we unite as a country, america always wins. for those who are angry or afraid, i want to assure you there's another better way to deal with this. some who feed off of the fears and the anger that is felt by some of us and exploited, feed their own insatiable desires for fame or attention. >> and we have been keeping an eye on john kasich's speech in
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new york city, where he's, as you can hear, laying out what he believes is a choice facing americans during this election, and sharply criticizing his republican rivals at the same time. i want to bring in political analyst elise jordan, former senior policy adviser for the rand paul campaign. john kasich said yesterday the delegate process is bizarre, but i guess the delegate process being bizarre is what exactly he's looking for when he hasn't been able to win much. >> also, if he wants, the only hope he has is a contested convention. that certainly looks like where it's headed right now. i think the rules definitely are complicated, but it's certainly manageable in what a campaign with a strong organization decide is around to do is to know how to handle the process. so kasich certainly seems to have a team in place to do that. >> someone who has clearly a very strong organization for this is ted cruz, right? >> yes. >> he's been, what, setting his cites on the west coast. been very successful so far. >> really, what's interesting is new york state is the only place where cruz really just isn't
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doing well at all. >> kind of mia these days. >> yes, so he's out on the west coast, and it's sdflecting attention from, he really is not having a strong showing here. i think kasich could potentially surprise a bit in some of the congressional districts that are more moderate republican leaning, i think, in new york. >> but it seems as though he hasn't been focused on this. it seems as though new york is not a place where he is -- he has found fertile ground for growth. >> i think that with cruz, certainly, i think he just wrote off new york, essentially, with those comments that he made at the debate about new york values. that polled well in iowa, but it's not going to help him. he wasn't looking into the future, into this new york primary. kasich certainly, you know, we'll have to see if the anti-trump sentiment will go in his direction and not in cruz's in new york. >> i mean, is he being at all realistic? is it possible to just come in third a lot of times and then hope that when he gets to the convention that, you know, the
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bottom one will end up on the top in. >> it's really such a wacky year, who would have thought that trump would have come in and managed to dominate and to break so many rules and to be at this point? so if there is a contested convention, maybe john kasich sees himself, and i think he certainly does, at the peacemaker among the various factions. >> we look at the national numbers, we were talking to mark murray earlier, the national numbers, if anything, trump is growi growing. up two points. >> maybe wisconsin was an anomaly, and trump has his momentum back. that really is what i think, i know i have been looking to see, how he's going to fare in states post-wisconsin to see if that was just a blip and he's going to get his footing again or if he really is losing -- i think it's something like 70 million in anti-trump ads have been all over the airwaves. is that starting to have impact? i think it is, but is if going to be enough to stop him on the race to that magic number of
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1237 delegates. >> he has new york as a strong place. will maybe change the narrative. not wisconsin, but rather new york, after the primary here. >> new york, and then in pennsylvania. if trump can do well in pennsylvania, he is in a much better place than he was post-wisconsin certainly. >> elise jordan, thanks for being with me. in person, especially. we always talk on satellite. much more aheon msnbc. first, let's take a look at the campaign schedule for today. bernie sanders is speaking in front of a crowd in rochester, new york, right now. before making stops in the college towns of syracuse and other places. also, hillary clinton at an equal pay roundtable this morning in the city. her husband headlines rallies in queens and new york city before appearing at the dinner for the emily's list pac, which aims to elect pro-choice female candidates. donald trump will speak in rome, new york. kasich delivering a speech in new york city before he crosses the bridge into brooklyn. that's a pretty busy day for all of them. and after spending all day
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we're about three months from the republican national convention in cleveland. if there is a contested convention, is paul ryan a possible choice for the republican nomination? nbc's luke russert joins me from capitol hill. good morning. there seems to be a lot of signs from ryan himself causing this speculation. >> there are. his team put out a campaign style web video that showcased a speech he gave on capitol hill a few weeks ago that really implied that he thinks that folks should rise above the partisan bickering that has become the presidential process. his team has been adamant he will not run for president. he will not accept the nomination if it was pushed towards him at the rnc. in fact, he went on a milwaukee area radio show this morning, jose, and said that he will not allow for his name to be placed
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into nomination. and he wants to go all in and say he categorically will not do it. now, his folks close to him gave me a memo yesterday detailing the reason why he won't run for president. i want to read two of them here. we'll put them on the full screen. it's far fetched to think the rules committee, which will be made up of trump and cruz delegates, would create the condition for an outside candidate to get in. number two, let's get real. while this makes for a fun news story, it's not realistic, nor does the speaker have any interest in pursuing it. you get the idea of the rnc rules, particularly, would be set against ryan, and he does not want to do it. the reason why, jose, from folks i have spoken to close to him is he believes if he can run a parallel campaign, whether it's trump or cruz, if they end up losing the presidency, ryan can show what the republican party can be, what it wants to be in the future, and more likely than not, the gop loses the senate, ryan becomes the most powerful
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republican january of 2017, and sets himself up for whatever type of future he wants to do, whether it's wheel and deal with president clinton, whether it's hold a hard conservative line or whether it's perhaps run in 2020, 2024. who knows. he's still a young man in his early 40s. we'll see if that still applies in cleveland. >> of course, remembering he diz ntd want to be speaker, either, and said that wasn't part of the process. but look where he is now. you know? >> indeed. indeed. and there are differences between those two races, i should point out. remember, he did not want to be speaker. kevin mccarthy was thought to be the heir apparent to boehner. mccarthy pulled out at the last second. ryan was the only unifier available. a little different because the delegates, they aren't ryan people. they'll be trump and cruz people. >> luke russert on capitol hill, thank you very much. great seeing you. that wraps up this hour of msnbc live from the brooklyn roasting company. thank you for the privilege of your time. i see tamron hall.
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again, not my call. good morning, everyone. i'm tamron hall. we're back here live at the brooklyn roasting company in brooklyn, new york, where in exactly a week, both parties are holding their next presidential primary. right now, we're looking at a lot of action on the campaign trail. bernie sanders is holding a town hall in upstate new york. while in new york city, john kasich is delivering what his campaign is billing as a major speech on the two paths facing america. both bill and hillary clinton by the way, are also out this morning. she's taking part in a roundtable celebrating equal pay day. the former president is about to address supporters in

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