tv The Place for Politics 2016 MSNBC April 14, 2016 1:00pm-2:01pm PDT
good afternoon to you. i'm steve kornacki, at our msnbc headquarters here in new york city. sitting not too far away from two separate stop trump protests one is right in manhattan, in new york city, the other out on long island. we have reporters are in the field ready to cover the latest. all of this, of course, ahead of the new york primary next tuesday, the next big test for the republican fold. good news for trump today as well. prosecutors in florida say that they will not press charges against campaign manager corey lewandowski. remember that lewandowski was arrested last month, charged with simple battery, after allegedly grabbing reporter michelle fields at a campaign event. meantime, nearly 30,000 people turned out for a rally in a park
in new york city last night. this was in the democratic race but the reality for bernie sanders, who was the star of that big rally here in new york city, reality for him is very simple at this point. he has five days left now before the new york primary to make up a double digit gap in this state. if he can't do that, his chances of catching hillary clinton in the delegate race may be done for good. one-on-one debate tonight, bernie sanders versus hillary clinton, it may be his last, best chance for a turnaround moment before tuesday's big vote. a lot to cover today. we're checking in with all of our reporters and correspondents covering the candidates. let's begin with katy tur. >> reporter: moveon.org organized a protest here in the heart of new york city on 42nd street. starting to gather in times square and we're told they're walking towards this location here. donald trump, ted cruz, john kasich all at the republican
state party gala tonight. first time they've been in the same room together since i believe the florida, miami debate a month ago. that should be interesting. the donald trump campaign is feeling good. they're leading by a lot. they're expected to win big in the state. they need to win big in order to broach that delegate gap in order to win at convention on the first ballot. that's one reason the campaign is happy. the second reason is that the florida state attorney has not decided -- has decided not to prosecute campaign manager, corey lewandowski for battery. saying corey lewandowski is gratified by the decision to drop the misdemeanor charge and appreciates thoughtful consideration and profession professionalism by the palm beach state attorney and his staff who carefully reviewed this matter as well as mr. loyalty and support of his colleagues and family during this time. the matter is now concluded the state's attorney office finding fault with michelle fields,
saying she was not listening to secret service orders, listen to how they describe the field's actions. >> the press was directed towards the back, there's a bubble, and she makes her way beyond the press area and gets right next to mr. trump, actually makes slight contact with mr. trump. you can see that he sort of recoils and that's when mr. lewandowski grabs her arm. >> the prosecutor's saying she defied secret service order and entered a bubble that the secret service formed around the candidate as he walked up an aisle and presented, in essence, a threat towards the candidate and that's why the campaign manager, corey lewandowski, who was in a good position to see this, grabbed her and pulled her back. they did acknowledge that lewandowski's story and donald trump's story did change throughout the process saying that donald trump and corey lewandowski initially said there was no contact between
lewandowski and michelle fields, there in fact was. the office did in fact acknowledge that. but 0 to give you a perspective of what it's like at a donald trump event like this, a private event, where it's just reporters and supporters in a room like that, it is often the case that reporters go up to the candidate themselves with secret service surrounding them, so it certainly did not seem at time like an incident that would merit some sort -- that the secret service would essentially have been worried about. just a few minutes after that the candidate walked into a room with reporters, many whom standing next to the candidate asking him questions. steve? >> katy tur in new york city again donald trump expected to be speaking not long from now. meanwhile, 60 miles away, there are stop trump protests also expected on long island. in the suburbs of new york city. this, has trump is scheduled to speak at another event. another republican party
fund-raiser out there about an hour from now. msnbc's cal perry joins us now with more. so, cal, we talked to katy tur in new york city, you're on long island, twin trump events going on. what are we expecting at the one you're at? >> reporter: we thought we would see protesters instead we're seeing a massive police presence. it's almost like a suffolk county police reunion. the pro-trump folks headed into the event are getting queued in, checked by security now. i want to show you the stand-off area that the police created. that's where they are. take a look down this street, you see an ambulance, police cars and talking about multiple levels of security here from local police to county police to secret service to undercover police officers. and as we swing around and we have to take a bit of a walk, this is how far aware they're keeping protesters. it's a large stand-off area that it's got me wondering if people have decided that they don't want to come out today. we were expecting maybe a
husband or more protesters but we've seen a dozen at the host. looking at protesters now. i want to be very up front with our audience, about half of the people in the pen are press. members of the media. we are just not seeing numbers we expected to see. another reason, where katy tur is at. donald trump will go from here, get on a helicopter, go to that gala, maybe, maybe protesters decided to go there. >> cal perry on long island. the backdrop for the new york state, expected to be donald trump's best state in terms of the results. he hasn't cracked 50% in any primary but polls say he's on course do that potentially here in new york. cal perry, thank you. let's welcome in an attorney, nbcnews.com contributor. alex, let me start with you. news today about corey lewandowski, there will not be a charge pressed against him. does this put the matter to rest for the trump campaign? >> i mean i think the trump campaign is reeling from a cycle
of negative press that he suffered because of the allegations against mr. lewandowski. i think it probably does close this issue specifically for the most part. but then again, lewandowski already has been layered with addition of news staff, the trump forces realize that they needed to beef up their campaign infrastructure to compete for delegates in what is looking increasingly like a contested question. >> raul, contested convention, i'm looking at this, we saw what happened in wisconsin, trump got outorganized in colorado, other places but i'm looking at this saying, he wins new york big next week, next week you got pennsylvania, delaware, rhode island, trump-friendly states here. we could get to the end of the month and he could be back to 400-delegate lead over ted cruz. >> it's a narrow path but the path is there. i think that the people have spoken with that, that's what the trump campaign wants to concentrate on for right now. they -- they have had an uneven
week. granted certainly unflattering reports in the press. but the town hall, watch the trump family town hall on cnn he presented his lovely family, that was good anecdote to the negative press. his challenge, it's two-fold. one, selling the idea to so many of his supporters, that whatever's going to happen contested convention, whatever the rules and multiple votes likely to owe curb that is the process, it's perfectly legal and above board. he's been taking the tact it beening stolen from, talking about shady characters are going to steal this from me. it's impairive on him and his team to educate his supporters about the state -- >> feels like he's firing up supporters, they want to hear that the party's out to get them, that the establishment is scared of them like this. >> that's what they want to hear. it's happening now as events taking place at state primary, conventions, and the delegates are being reassigned. not because anyone is stealing
them. it's because trump campaign knows the rules. they know the things that you can do, perfectly legal. rules were devised in advance. trump has to start accepting that and get a better game and educating supporters on this is reality. enough with the populist sentiment and this is the game they're playing once they get to cleveland. >> something else getting a lot of attention, they put the poll numbers up, from abc news/"the washington post" poll, favorable/unfavorable score of the three republican candidates among all voters. none of them that impressive. kasich is 39/39, cruz, 36/53. donald trump, 31% favorable/67%, two-thirds of all american adults with an unfavorable view of donald trump. look, obviously, if you take that number, if he gets republican nomination and take that number into election day in november, you can't win a general election with that
number. the question with trump is, is he capable of changing that number if he gets the republican nomination? >> i guess that's the operative question. as you know, those numbers crystallize that trump would be perhaps the most unpopular major presidential candidate in a generation or more. and you know, this is one reason why the never trump forces and republican party have been gaining steam, have been pumping money into the field and trying to coalesce around alternative. and i think it's also why you see major republican fund-raisers either go on to the sidelines or decide to funnel some of their campaign cash into down ballot races, basically giving up the white house race as something close to a lost cause and trying to control the party stranglehold on both brancheses of congress. >> arul. >> reports and journalists, different sources i've spoken with, within the trump campaign, one thing that keeps coming up again and again, how, for a
national political campaign, trump's effort is haphazard. this is a campaign that literally they are looking at two, three days out, this campaign is totally in the moment. there are many things they should be thinking about in terms of the big picture, 70% negatives among married women, his 80, 85% negative among latino voters. that is not where they are looking. they are concentrated on today and tomorrow. as you know, in this type of national campaign, that is astonishing not to have a much longer mind-set, not to have a much longer end game with specific targets and metrics ahead. but that's not how they're rolling. >> i will say this. when this campaign started way back last year, we had a poll here at nbc, we asked republicans, republican voters, would youi voting for donald trump. that was 23%. he's moved that up considerably. he has moved a really bad number
into better territory. i'm not saying that will happen in the general election, that's a din challenge but it might be worth keeping in mind in what now look like devastating again election numbers. how donald trump secures the republican nomination without a contested convention, as raul said, there is a path. we'll show you it is. today's most important number of the day, that is next. don't forget this, tonight exclusive msnbc town hall with john kasich, chris matthews will moderate that, kick off at 7:00 eastern time here. followed immediately by another msnbc town hall, this one chuck todd sitting down with senator ted cruz. that will be at 8:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc.
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>> all that talk hearing about a contested or open republican convention, it's easy to overlook one simple thing. there might not be one. it's actually not that hard to see. it brings us to our number of the day. number of the day is 4, as in 4 things, 4 steps that donald trump could take and that it's not that hard to see him taking that would give him the ma'amic number of 1,237 delegates and avoid open or contested convention. step number one, next week, new york, we know donald trump is favored to win in new york, favored to win big. here's the key question. how many of these does he get? 95 delegates up for grabs there. 95 up for grabs. he could get, on a great day for donald trump, he could go 95 for 95. how does it work? the state is split up into 27
congressional districts. every one of those that you win, if you get more than 50%, key number, you get all three delegates. trump is polling over 50%. we don't know exactly how that breaks down by district. but if he gets all 95, that's a big step towards that goal of 1,237. step two, a week later in pennsylvania. we put an asterisk next to pennsylvania. there's a reason. take a look at this, two types of delegates. this is the only state you're going to see this. two types of delegates up for grabs in pennsylvania. one is easy, 17 of them go to the winner statewide. polls show trump winning big in pennsylvania. he's in good shape to get those 17. here's the wild card. here's the asterisk. this may be the single-most underreported aspect for race for president, 54 unbound delegates, men and women whose names will appear on the ballot, elected in the republican primary in pennsylvania to be become delegates to the
republican flat convention. they're free agents. they can vote for whoever they want, they are not locked into anything except majority of them right now are saying, publicly, that they will vote at the convention for whoever wins their district, they're saying that now. we see trump leading by 25, 30 points in polls in pennsylvania right now. it is very possible, we're going to come out of pennsylvania not just with trump getting 17 but trump having commitments from the vast majority of these 54. that's a big difference maker on the path to 1,237. step three, the hoosier mystery indiana, 57 delegates up for grabs. it's the first contest in may. why is it a mystery? there's been absolutely no polling in the state recently. you could make a credible case it could be a trump state. you can make a credible case it's a cruz state. if you win the state by a few points, you could get most of the 57. if you lose by a few points you
could get almost none of them. huge swing, we don't know who's whipping now. we need a poll. that's a mystery. that's winnable for trump, could be a big win for him. finally, last step for trump, california chaos. it's a big state. the biggest one obviously. 172 delegates up for grabs. here's the thing about california. don't think about this as one state. don't think about this as one primary. think about this as 53 individual primaries because that's basically how the delegates are given out in the state. 53 congressional districts. every one that you win you get three delegates. for donald trump, 30, 35, 40 districts in the state. every congressional district you add, you get three delegates. there are four big opportunities for donald trump to take giant steps towards 1,237. if you put them together, that path to getting that majority in the primary season, it is absolutely still there for donald trump. so that's something to keep in mind going forward. and that was, i should repeat
what i said at the beginning, most important number of the day, four. turn to msnbc's lawrence o'donnell. he has a special on this network, "inside the stop trump movement" airing at 10:00 p.m. on msnbc. an illustration of what the stop trump forces are up against. what are you talking about with them tonight? >> the stop trump movement now has become another candidate. it's as if we have, you know, we john kasich, ted cruz, trump, hillary clinton, bernie sanders, and then you have this other thing, this whole other place to place your energy, your advertising money. stopping one candidate, just stopping donald trump. we have never seen anything like this. and there's a bipartisan energy to it. we are seeing at the top of it all of the republican energy to stop trump. but, you know, whole -- the latino side of the democratic party wants to stop trump with as much energy as anyone else. so it's all over the place. it's this moving dynamic and
we're going to try to get inside of all of it, including what they're doing with delegate selection which is way more than just what we've heard about ted cruz doing. it's a really complex story and it has become in its own way a complex candidacy of itself, a complex valid option of itself that we're going to take a deep look at. >> you mentioned democrats, too. you got republicans who don't want trump to be their nominee. about you i wonder with democrats, are they democrats don't like him, doesn't want him to be president but want him to be the republican nominee because he'd be the easiest to beat. >> i've met them. but you know, then there's more than one dimension to republican stop trump. there's stop trump from getting the nomination. there's never trump. if he gets the nomination, i'm still against him as a republican when he leaves that convention, still going to work against him. we haven't seen that in either party. it's really an extraordinary
thing. he's really unleashed a negative force against him, bigger, than anything we've ever seen a candidate do. >> have you seen him in the last week or so, it seemed -- everything congealed in wisconsin, the stop trump forces got behind a single candidate, everybody in the republican establishment there involved got a big win over there. then he got outorganized in colorado. do you think there's a realization on trump's part in the last week, hey, i've got to change a few things to get the nomination. >> you're asking me to think what passes through donald trump's so-called mind. i have no idea. there's an incoherence to him pubic 4ly that maybes it impossible to imagine what it's like to sit him down and convince him here's where we are, here's what we have to do, and if you ever could have that moment with him, there's absolutely no evidence that he would be able to be consistent about executing that
behaviorally. he's an unstable human being, we've seen that time and time again. even with the best, most disciplined candidates, it's hard for them to be programmed and to stay on message and do all of that because it's not terribly human, right? trump is, first of all, human, human in the most undisciplined and raw way. good luck to the people that are going to tell him this is the way we want you to handle it from this point forward. >> you're doing the stop trump. also talking about another issue, important issue overlooked, the issue of housing. let's play a clip and ask you that. >> richie, if you could get a presidential candidate in one of these apartments, what difference do you think it would make to that candidate after that candidate's back in the car, leaving this housing project behind? >> the hope is that it will leave an impress, a lasting impression on the candidate but
also larger world. wherever a presidential candidate goes, the world is watching and world has a historic opportunity to see how the urban poor lives in public housing. it speaks to the message of inequality that's uniting many of the presidential candidates. public housing is ground zero for inequality. >> so we're in new york, lawrence, urban issues, public housing on the agenda in this state, talking to somebody trying to get this on the national agenda. >> all of the candidates, all of them, ignoring public housing in new york and public housing in the campaign. you have to be careful, when they talk about affordable housing, that's talking about helping people get mortgage in many cases, that's talking about certain kinds of rent subsidies but not public housing projects. we have a population in new york city, in the public housing projects, that is bigger than the entire population of vermont. it's bigger than the entire population of boston. then have invited richie torres
and other counselors have invited, begged, presidential candidates in writing months ago, and again last week, please come and visit one housing project for one minute, set foot in one housing project, let us show you one apartment, one elevator, just one. nothing. >> no response? >> no candidate has responded. >> no sanders, no clinton. >> republicans don't care about public housing, we know that. both democrats, we know, do care about public housing. it astonishes me that they've never put a public housing project on their schedules, never, in the course of this campaign. then, when inrigvited in the hi spotlight arena of new york city, where the cameras would go with them, get all of the political credit you can get for doing it, they still haven't done it. they've still ignored this invitation. when i saw that invitation out there, i said i'll accept the invitation, i'll go. we took the crew and went around with richie torres and others showing us what's going on. i've been to many housing
projects before, never there with a camera crew, doing what we were doing. but it's just amazing to me that the democratic candidates for president could get that invitation and just ignore it. >> lawrence o'donnell. it's a special, last word on the stop trump movement. >> i think steve kornacki will be there. >> i'll be there. >> your usual overtime rate. >> the same as the nonovertime rate. >> it's the cup of water. >> i'll take it. maybe something other than water at that hour, too. lawrence o'donnell. donald trump says he's not at war with the republican party and looks to win the nomination with, quote, the conservative way. what does he mean in
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continuing. it's playing aa role here in new york. erica hill is standing by with the governor of new york, andrew cuomo. go ahead. >> reporter: steve, yes, we are here with governor cuomo, in a few minutes you're going to speak with some of the workers here assembled. they are here, of course, to talk more about the fight for that hourly minimum wage of 15. last week you signed a bill which will gradually ease that in in new york state. this is something traditionally bernie sanders led on as a living wages minimum wage. you endorsed a year ago this week hillary clinton for president. did she miss an opportunity to lead early on this particular issue? >> sorry the question was? >> did hillary clinton miss an opportunity to lead on this issue? >> no, i don't think so. hillary's position is there are two minimum wages, a federal minimum wage and there's a state minimum wage, and hillary's position is the state should take it upon themselves to raise the wage that works for them in
that economy and the more aggressive the better. hillary clinton was with me the day i signed this in to law. so she supports the $15 minimum wage in new york. her point is, different states have different labor markets, which is true, and how you get to 15, air are ka, is important. if you move too quickly, you could actually slow an economy, lose jobs, which wouldn't be right or good for anyone. so, life is often in the nuance, right? it's often in the gray and how you do it, and that's one of the things with minimum wage. and i think hillary's sophistication, actually, led her to the right conclusion which is, it should be state by state. we were very proud here in new york, literally, to sign the law, first state in the nation, to sign the law to $15 because it's a recognition of the principle.
people talk about the economic anxiety and anger among voters and that's all of the talking heads are talking about. the question is what do you do about it? it's not just that they're angry. they have a right to be angry. the middle class has gone backwards working families have gone backwards. let's get positive and come up with some real solutions that alleviate the anxiety because people see progress and the number one thing is pay people a decent wage, and that's $15. >> reporter: certainly got the conversation going around much of the country. we are, of course, talking about the new york primary, which is coming up here on tuesday. do you think bernie sanders staying in the race and saying he's in this for the long haul has it forced hillary clinton to campaign more, has it made her a better candidate, and has it pushed her further to the left? >> i don't think it's pushed her to one place or the other ideologically. i've known her for many, many years. i was in the clinton administration. where she is today is exactly
where she was then. she's very smart. she's always progressive, and she knows how to accomplish progressive things, which is something that we often leave out of the equation, you know. it's not enough to have a progressive vision. you have to know how to get it done, otherwise you accomplish nothing for people. and, no, i think the campaign has been good. i think bernie sanders has been waged a campaign that surprised a lot of people. and i think that the dialogue has been good for the democratic party, i think it's going to make us stronger in november. i believe she wins here in new york. new york we make people earn it, you know. we always do. and we're sort of proud about that. it's a diverse state. a lot of opinions and a lot of people who speak their opinions. so -- >> reporter: on both sides, on both tickets. >> you noticed. no, we're a vocal group. we believe in keeping nothing
in, erica, just communicate it all. so it's been lively. it should be lively. i hope it's lively tonight. but i think the entire primary process has been good for hillary. >> you mentioned tonight. there is, of course, a debate between between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. what are you looking for specifically? what would you like to see them talk about? >> the more debate, the better for hillary. she doesn't say it in 12 seconds. she wants to give you the nuance. she wants to give you all of the facts. and the subtlity of the argument. longer format is better for her. we know her, she was a senator here and new yorkers know her firsthand. and that's one of the reasons why she's so strong, because we've seen her performance. >> reporter: is there a specific topic, issue underaddressed you
would like to see tackled tonight? >> i think the issue of gun, gun violence. we passed the safe act in this state, after sandy hook, which was, i believe the smartest gun control law passed in the country. we still, as a nation, have not come to tackle that problem where you can respect hunters' rights and people's rights to have a gun, but you can reduce the violence. and i think that's a major difference between hillary and bernie. and i don't think it's been fully articulated. i understand where he's from but this ises a national issue and we need to know what the president is going to do. >> appreciate the time. back over to you. >> all right. erica hill with new york governor andrew cuomo. thank you. on the republican side, members of the donald trump's campaign team today spent the morning on capitol hill. they are courting house republicans, trying to drum up
more support from republican establishment for donald trump. currently nine members of congress of the house and senate endorsed him. joining me with more from capitol hill, luke russert. this is sort of the ultimate anti-establishment campaign, looking for establishment support. how did it go today? >> reporter: the anti-establishment campaign that had their meeting at capitol hill republican club, which is the most establishment place you can go here in washington, d.c., if you're a republican. it was a good meeting, according to those who attended, specifically ones who led this, chris collins of new york and duncan hunter of california. they met there, ed brookover, and the idea was to encourage outreach around congress, get more endorsements as the days go by and give an update what the campaign is thinking. one interesting tidbit of news, though, they ran through some delegate numbers, steve. you're a math guy on the delegates count like i am.
take a listen to what the trump campaign claimed they can do by the time they get through california. >> we talked about 1,237, and i can tell you, we got to 1265, in a conservative way, and i think we all know that's the key. we went state by state and the math added up to 1265. i'm comfortable, again, it's not guaranteed, we're going to know more tuesday. >> reporter: well, that's pretty confident there from representative collins, 1265 that the trump campaign is laying out, certainly they'd like to hit that ahead of cleveland in july. the delegate math, it's all part of the trump outreach here on capitol hill. these meetings are going to happen weekly when congress is in session. >> interesting, i heard him say we'll know more next tuesday. if they come near that number, we will, can he go 95 for 95 in new york? our first indicator. interesting stuff. luke russert on capitol hill, thanks for that. coming up --
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will never happen if we have a president who never aspires for something greater than a status quo. medicare for all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate democratic whores who are beholden to the big pharma. >> saying dr. song's comment was inappropriate and insensitive. no room for language like that in our political discourse. let me bring in kasie hunt, covering the sanders campaign at the site of tonight's debate between sanders and clinton in brooklyn. this something you expect will come up in the debate tonight? >> reporter: steve, good afternoon. my sense is that, if this does come up, it will probably be because the moderators want to talk about this.
there's no inclintation from th clinton campaign they intend to be the first mention of what happened. the sanders campaign, of course, a little bit frustrated that this is the headline out of the massive rally that they held in washington square park. of course, dr. song did tweet his apologies earlier today. in fact, immediately almost after he made those remarks. but of course, jane sanders telling andrea mitchell the sanders family was not at park when these remashes were made, that they would have put distance between themselves and this supporter of theirs had they heard it. this is another difficult moment. sanders has had trouble with surrogates as well. i will say the crowd, very much willing to engage in booing secretary clinton, for example, whenever she was mentioned. i interviewed a number of young supporters in line ahead of time, while i talked to one
woman who was middle aged she urged a lot of young people to try and get on board with unifying the democratic party. a lot of the young people standing next to her were saying we will never vote for secretary clinton. you saw a little bit of that on display at the rally. >> unity going forward, no matter what happens here in new york, obviously an issue for democrats. kasie hunt at the site of the debate, thank you. kristen welker also at the debate site covering the clinton campaign. so, from the clinton campaign standpoint, that controversy, remarks last night, does that factor into their plans for the debate at all tonight? >> reporter: it does, to some extent. kasie's right, i don't anticipate secretary clinton will raise the issue herself. we expect that the moderators will ask about it. i think she sees it as an opening to talk about the general tone of this campaign. you'll likely see her try to argue that senator sanders has gotten personal. some rhetoric has gotten ugly in
recent days and she has tried to take the high road. obviously the sanders campaign would push back against that and saying she's been playing hardball as well. that's one of the tactics we're going to hear her take. she will undoubtedly try to draw sharp contrast with senator sanders over the issue of substance and use that interview that he gave to the new york daily news in hi we had trouble talking about how he would break apart the big banks to make that point. and then she's going to make this point that we've seen in ads that she's been releasing, steve. she's the stronger candidate to take on donald trump. that's an issue that democrats really care about. i've been talking to her campaign aides throughout the day. she has been preparing vigorously for tonight's debate. not only today but recent days, she's been squeezing in prep sessions between campaign events because she sees this as a really important moment. this is a chance when senator sanders could turn the tide in new york. it's his last chance. polls show her with a healthy
double-digit lead. she wants to win by the margin. if she does win by a big amount it would make this race that much tougher for senator sanders, it would make his path that much more narrow there it's almost a cliche in politics the idea of the game changer but that's what bernie sanders needs, something to shake up the polls and get ten-point gap erased before next tuesday. kristen welker in brooklyn, thank you for that. still ahead -- woodsto woodstock's lasting legacy on politics how every candidate in 2016 is trying to recapture magic of 1969. seizing opportunity. and i'd like to... cut. so i'm gonna take this opportunity to direct. thank you, we'll call you. evening, film noir, smoke, atmosphere... bob... you're a young farmhand and e*trade is your cow. milk it. e*trade is all about seizing opportunity.
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bernie sanders looking to chip away at hillary clinton's delegate lead going after specific congressional districts here in new york. one of the districts is the home of the iconic woodstock festival. remember that? the massively popular music festival took place back in 1969, on a dairy farm two hours north of new york city in the town of bethel. today, it is part of new york's hotly contested 19th congressional district. they give out delegates by congressional district. remember that on tuesday. msnbc's tony dokoupil joins me from bethel. what are you finding out? piece of history you're next to. >> reporter: that's right. you know, steve, every candidate would like to capture the energy from 1960s but the moment bernie
sanders is doing the best job of. you saw the concert, thousands watching, thousands watching at home thought that looks like something i remember from the '60s, woodstock, which happened here in the field where i'm standing, where the concession was, down the hill is where jimmy hendrik played the famous star-spangled banner. two guys original woodstock attendees. >> how are you doing? >> you ran the lights. >> you came in from new jersey. >> that's me. >> what's the on finished business of woodstock? >> thinking about it, coming up with an answer we haven't reached any type of equality in the country. i think it's getting worse now. i think it's hard for people to be, as they have versed together as they want to be. >> reporter: steve? >> the issues in the early '60 and into the later '60s, civil rights, lgbt rights, women's rights, native-american rights, stewardship of the earth, all of
the things we cared about then are unfiner finished business. >> reporter: you're in the 19th congressional district, this is a district with an odd number of delegates, candidates wanto win here, if they win here, someone's going lose, someone's going to win. which of the candidates is positioned, jim, you first, who is positioned to finish that business from the '60s to get it done in 2016. >> for me? >> reporter: yeah. >> no one and. >> reporter: no one. >> i can only vote democratic and i'm not for bernie or hillary. >> reporter: you were telling me you wrote no vote. >> that's what i did in the general election, i hope kasich is out there, how he could do it, i don't know. >> reporter: from woodstock to kasich. >> that's me. >> reporter: you? >> if i was 30, i would vote for bernie sanders a heart beat. his idealism is plaudable. >> reporter: you're not 30 anymore. >> i'm not 30 anymore and i don't think what he's proposing is realistic. i'm much more pragmatic now. >> reporter: where do you come down then? >> hillary.
certainly not donald trump. >> reporter: thank you very much, guys. i should say the bethel center for the arts is current owner of the property here. they're a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization. but as you know -- back to you. >> tony dokoupil, woodstock. the site of woodstock '94, anybody remember that? that's it for this hour. i'm steve kornacki. "mtp daily" starts right now. if it's thursday, it's ted cruz's biggest challenge, trying to find the right balance in his fight with the establishment. he knows they don't want trump. but the hard part is they don't enfirely want him either, yet. this is "mtp daily." live from buffalo, and it starts right now. welcome to "mtp daily." we're cominto