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it's good to be with you this morning. i'm francis rivera live from msnbc world headquarters in new york. new reaction from bernie sanders who sat down with nbc's anne thompson in rome following his brief meeting with pope francis. sanders discussed his decision to go to the vatican just days
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before the critical new york primary. >> is there a political advantage in this trip, do you think? >> i don't know that there is or isn't. the disadvantage is i'm not in new york right now. but, you know, we'll let voters make that decision. this was an invitation that i received and i just could not refuse. >> in the most recent new york poll sanders trails hillary clinton by 17 ints po. on the republican side, donald trump maintains his lead at 54%. john kasich is solidified his second place standing with 25%. ted cruz in third place in new york sets his sites on wyoming today. he will address the state republican convention this afternoon hoping the state's 14 remaining at large delegates. this as trump continues to rail against republican party officials over what he considers an unfair primary system. >> you though the system is rigged, folks. and the top republicans called up, said, donald, please, could
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you stop saying that? i said, look, i'm telling the truth. >> cruz last night striking a different tone posing a different question to supporters. >> whether we win is dependent on one question, can we continue to unite the party? >> but trump is making a final sprint in what could be a very big win here in his home state of new york. perhaps even sweeping all 95 delegates at stake less than 72 hours from now. nbc's katy tur brings us the latest. >> reporter: every delegate counties right now because donald trump needs to avoid a contested convention where ted cruz could do well on a subsequent ballot. that's why the team is reorganizing, beefing up the inner circle and starting to laser focus on new york where they need to win big. donald trump continuing to decry the rules but insisting he will come out on top. >> it's a disaster. and not fair. so we're going to win it anyway.
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we're going to have our 1,237 anyway. >> reporter: trashing the system and trying to bury ted cruz. trump echoing a new familiar chant before a rowdy crowd of supporters. >> lying ted. he walks into a room with his bible held high, held high, lying ted, folk, puts down the bible and then he lies. >> reporter: trump team sharpening the game plan in the final primaries before the convention. new experienced advisers adding structure and talking points to the normally impulsive campaign. >> cruz talked about new york values. that was a bad thing. and he said it with hatred toward new yorker railroads sources close to the campaign telling nbc news the strategy going forward is to appeal to voters who feel left behind by washington without turning off delegates off to the party loyalists. trump said we have a lock on new york but after a tough 24 hours, cruz drew a crowd of 1200 in rochester friday night.
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>> tuesday is election day here in new york. and, new york, the whole country is looking at new york right now. >> i vote for you, man! >> amen, sir. >> reporter: not a lock, former "apprenti "apprentice" contestants gather in new york to denounce their would be boss. >> we strongly condemn donald's campaign of sexism, racism, violence, and hate. >> reporter: donald trump responding in characteristic fashion calling those angry contestants wannabes. busy day on the campaign trail, donald trump with two rallies in upstate new york. >> nbc's katy tur, thank you very much. turning to the democrat, three days before new york voters head tote polls hillary clinton is turning her attention out west. she is calm paping a day in california ahead of that state's primary on june 7th. bernie sanders is heading back from rome after meeting briefly with pope francis this morning. he will hold a round-table event
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with civil rights leaders tonight in brooklyn. for the latest on the democrats we turn to nbc's kristen welker who is here in new york city with neither of the candidates even in the state frankly with two separate countries really, kristen. >> you're right, francis. rare day here in new york because the optics apartment democratic candidates couldn't be more different this weekend. senator sanders sitting down with the pope today, hillary clinton in california as you said, attending fund-raisers hosted by george clooney. it underscores the vast differences between the two candidates with the new york primary looming. it was a star-studded friday night for hillary clinton. george and amal clooney hosting the first of two fund-raisers. this one in san francisco. a waping $353,000 for each couple. just to sit with the democratic front-runner. meanwhile senator sanders wrapping up a trip at the vatd can where he addressed a conference on social and
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economic justice. this morning he told nbc's anne thompson the opportunity to meet the pope was one he couldn't pass up. >> today certainly was the highlight of the trip. i think he will go down in history as one of the great leaders of this particular moment in world history. >> reporter: late friday sanders making good on his promise to release his 2014 tax returns. the document showing sanders made $205,000 and gave just over $8,000 in charitable donations. the sanders campaign touting that unlike clinton's tax releases sanders' returns underscores he hasn't accepted money for corporate speeches. sanders railing against the influence of money and politics while speaking abroad. >> our very soul as a nation has suffered as the public has lost faith in political and social institutions. >> reporter: clinton is closing in on new york. the latest polls showing her with a lead of 17 points. today bill clinton will rally
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voters in upstate new york after his comments on sanders supporters fell flat with some friday. >> i think it's fine that all of these young students have been so enthusiastic for opponent and sounds so good. just shoot every third person on wall street and everything will be fine. >> reporter: the sanders campaign firing back, that the former president was disparaging their supporters as the rhetoric on both sides has gotten increasingly heated in recent days. now president clinton emphasized he was just joking about sanders supporters. as for the primary here sanders officials privately acknowledged their climb is steep. their goal is to really limit the margin by which clinton wins and to net as many delegates as possible. if sanders doesn't win here in new york his path to the nomination gets a whole lot tougher. >> absolutely. nbc's kristen welker, thank you very much. for more on the democrat's battle here in new york i'm joined by michael to bin, democratic strategist and former senator aide to chuck schumer
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and ann sweet. i appreciate you jumping right in to this. i want to start with you, basically she asked senator sanders what comes next after the new york primary. here's what he said. >> if you don't win new york can you win the nomination? >> i think we can. i don't want to speculate. my hope is that we will win new york. it's a tough state. you have voting rules that make it impossible for independents to participant in the democratic primary. we do well with independents but we have a chance to do well. >> you can't help but hear independents. we do really well but when you talk about new york we all know it's close. independents not being able to vote if do you think if that were the case that it would open he would be doing better? >> absolutely. the two of them on clinton and sanders are running two very different campaigns. the only thing they have in common is they are running for the same office. hillary is running what is recognizable as a traditional
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effort appealing to specific candidates, the bronx, flushing, reverend sharpton's national action network, jewish community throughout the state. while sanders is positioning himself as a head of a moven't and those are two very different efforts. movement attract independents and independents can't vote in closed primaries. >> interesting with that movement a bit of a pause with this trip to rome and a meeting with the pope. he told my colleague anne thompson that he would be kicking himself for the rest of his life if he didn't go on this trip. to you, lynn, he's been receive that flack for make that trip so close to tuesday's primary. and that he even added this event, you know, tonight at last night but many are saying when it comes to the roman holiday it could be a bad move for him. how much of a blow do you think this will be to him and the primaries after? >> well, while he's gone for a short time he still -- his campaign started running a commercial with franklin eleanor
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rooseve roosevelt, a new york native son. what people really see sometimes is what's on the tv ads. i would say that if hillary clinton or her allies go after him for going to rome to meet the pope who is wildly popular in the united states, that would be ill advised. after all, she's off at a fund-raiser with the mega donors and the mega bucks. so at the least it may be a wash. and since delegates are awarded on a proportional basis anyway, in the end, probably sanders has more to gain than to lose by not being out today. >> it's interesting you see how geographically how they are and how that comes into play ahead of tuesday's primary. also consider how they're playing. not so nice anymore. we saw that on thursday of that debate in brooklyn here with the gloves one by one coming off. is that going to be pretty much the tone that the pivot that we're going to be seeing with the two of them now with attacks? >> i'm brooklyn born and raised and still live in brooklyn. i would say that's our version of playing nice. so the brawl at the navy yard, the battle in brooklyn was our
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form of civility approximately to the rest of the country and to the rest of the nation's media outlets i understand they may have been a little stunned at our version of polite. >> is that the tone we can expect to see beyond in the northeast, california, coming up? >> absolutely. they're going to be drawing sharper contrasts and going after each other as we we've been hearing p sanders campaign now is saying they regret not starting that earlier. >> we have seen it in the back and forth with the qualified and then the stepping back and saying it's judgment now when it comes to hillary clinton not being questioned. to lynn, to you now as of today, bernie sanders has to win 67 of the remaining delegates to win the nomination. so if he loses new york, we heard what he said earlier, what is his realistic path forward? >> well, california, california. where there's more man 400 delegates. but it's a very challenging state. very expensive. very diverse. but the problem that he has is just to catch up, also in the
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superdelegates. and i know he likes to talk about in his campaign that maybe they could persuade some of these super delegates to break away from their promise to support hillary clinton. that's still very difficult to do. so the native son of new york who now lives in vermont has a steeper challenge than the illinois born new york embraced hillary clinton who's running. but the proportionality of the democratic rules make it possible for hillary clinton to still keep her lead even if bernie sanders does better than expected in any place right now. he has to have that overwhelming, as you pointed out, that overwhelming success in order to pull ahead, especially since he doesn't have those party honchos called super delegates to help him out over the finish line. >> michael, bernie sanders, if he loses new york, if he loses
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on tuesday, when does the campaign start to go, oh, all right, maybe, possibly this is not going to be ours and then may be time to drop out. >> he is going to continue, i think, until the bitter end and i think he is going to help shape the conversation on the platform rooming into the convention. again, how do we define losing in yes, if hillary clinton gets more delegates in new york but sanders does well in some areas he could claim that in her home state her adopted home state, to lynn's point, he did well enough to continue moving forward, help with the donations and continue shaping the conversation. >> we'll see if he starts doing that when he come back. expected to be at an event in brooklyn tonight. we'll see. >> i'll look after him. >> and one other quick point. bernie sanders doesn't have to spend time doing fund-raising. small or big dollars. >> as we've seen. >> go to rome. >> all right. lynn sweet and michael, i appreciate you being with me this morning. new york's primary is just three days away but more than a dozen republican delegates will be selected today in wyoming.
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the race for the republican presidential nomination is making a critical stop in casper, wyoming this morning. that's the side of the state's gop convention where 14 delegates will be selected today. and in a race this close every delegate matters. ted cruz looks poised to do well there today. he already picked up a large share of wyoming's delegates at last month's convention. and also coming off a clean sweep at the state convention in neighboring colorado last weekend. cruz sounded confident about his chances at a campaign stop last night in rochester, new york.
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>> when i'm done here i'm getting on a plane and flying to the state of wyoming. because tomorrow in wyoming, wyoming is going to vote and i hope and believe by this time tomorrow, we will have won 12 elections in a row. >> for more on the cruz campaign go to nbc's vaughn hillyard just outside rochesternd outside that one event there in rochester. ted cruz doesn't have any more events in new york scheduled? >> at this point there's no more events scheduled. wyoming today. down tomorrow. we'll see what happens. we believe he's going to be here in manhattan but the question is to what extent does he hold public events? because suddenly you see ted cruz down by more than 30 points in recent polls. third to john kasich. he played hard here for what it's worth. he was in buffalo, syracuse, brooklyn, bronx, rochester last night. but the messages hasn't quite resonated with new yorkers. trying to find the constituency,
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looking more towards buffalo and rochester. nothing has stuck. suddenly what the election has come down to is the case of a potential contested convention which takes him out to wyoming today instead of campaigning in new york where there's 29 delegates on the line in wyoming he's already picked up nip of those last month at the county conventions. 14 or more up for the grabs where he has the potential to sweep all of those. like he did in colorado last weekend and north dakota the weekend before. for trooued cruz tuesday is proy not going to look good in new york and after that more northeastern states like pennsylvania, delaware, rhode island, connecticut. for him it's looking at the races, at the state convention where's me h. we has the po toeshl to bring out grass root supporters and pick up delegates. that's what's going to come down to. not even looking ahead but looking past this weekend out in south carolina where, yes, he lost all 50 delegates to donald trump but there's potential that come a second or third ballot those very trump delegates are going to be up for grabs. this weekend again they're
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looking at the congressional district conventions. it's very in the weeds, very nuance. but they have the potential, grass roots to pick up the delegates. tuesday may not go well but this could be a potential victory for a weekend for ted cruz. >> nbc campaign vaughn hillyard there in rochester, new york. i want to delve in about republican strategist jessica proud joins me now and "chicago sun-times" washington bureau chief lynn sweet is back here to chat about the republicans. jessica, we know donald trump losing big in colorado and swede seeding when it comes to wyoming as we heard from vaughn as well with ted cruz expected to do well there. donald trump with his op-ed in the "wall street journal"le, somed reading for us here, writing this. colorado had an election without voters. dlalts were chosen on behalf of a presidential nominee. yet the people of colorado were not able to cast their ballots to say which nominee they preferred. so, yeah, okay, some will say,
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he yes, legitimate criticism about the colorado process, too. but when it comes to this overall does it sound like sour graping on his part and will voters say, you know, you don't have to be such a sore loser when it comes to this? or will it help him? >> he tends to, when the process is working in his favor, have no problems with it. and then when it doesn't, you see him criticizing it and with his wall street journal op-ed and it plays right into his base. you know, his base is very anti-establishment. a lot of them feel there's a conspiracy theory against donald trump. it revs them up. that's why new york is going to be so important. there's 95 delegates at stake. like you said, every delegate matters at this point. while he's doing well overall in in state it is proportional. de delegates are awarded by congressional district and new york is diverse state politically. if i'm ted cruz or governor kasich i'm going to really want to try and hold donald trump under that 50% and make the
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likelihood of going to a contested convention even stronger. >> talking about that, lynn, i want to bring you in with this. as much as we've seen and heard, you know, new yorkers not welcoming ted cruz and the whole new york value situation. he's third behind kasich in the latest poll. ted cruz campaigning in hopes of keeping the delegate lead tight in that sense. but not really helping him in new york. look at these numbers here. 16%. could that work in other primaries? especially considering the ones coming up are these northeastern states as well. could that benefit? >> well, maybe. you know new york is a world of its own when it comes to politics. certain states are like that and it's unique characteristics. look, when one of the tabloids did a headline that said to ted cruz after visit to the bronx, take the fu train, you're in a different kind of battleground. comment on trump and that we was complaining about in the n. that
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"wall street journal" program he thinks he's the big deal maker. why didn't he read the fine print of the rules? that are made to have obstacles on the path to the nomination. but it's not for him. for everybody. read the fine print. he didn't do that and now he's complaining. >> we're talking about that when republican leaders, jessica, are meeting on wednesday for the rnc spring meeting and considering rewriting the rules here for the cleveland convention. shift the power from the conventional chair to these individual dell delegaegates he. when you consider that, the topic of that meeting, what would happen as far as the impact of what may come out of it? >> they have to be really careful because they're at risk of a huge backlash if they make any drastic changes that takes the power away from the voters. i think you will see an uproar. the state by state, and ellen's right, you have to pay attention and that's why an organization is so critical and trump very early on did not rely on that. he held a lot of big rallies. he would fly in and fly out but
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he did not have the ground game that ted cruz had and that's why he's been able to edge him out in a lot of these states. >> when you think of the stop trump, never trump, anti-trump movements here, lynn, to you. interesting to note here that they haven't spent a single cent on tv ads here in new york. is that in some sense because they know when we look at the numbers that he's at 54%, i believe, here in the latest poll in new york, that they're just kind of saying, all right, it's his. we're going to go spend that money elsewhere? what do you make of this strategy? >> that's right. you get more -- the game is delegates and if you look at where you could get more bang for your buck and spending it in cheaper states without the expensive new york media, multiple markets, it's just a wise decision to savior money until later on. you know, and speaking of money, you get what you pay for. and while donald trump at this stage is mainly self funding his campaign, it does cost money to
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have organization. and i think what we've been talking about he might have found it very affirming in those first stages to have these massive crowds. the details matter more in the later stages than the beginning, where it's often expensive work, too, of setting up organizations. bernie sanders has -- was able to create a movement to help create his organization but he still is spending a lot of money to do the organization on it. so even though you have movements out there. all movements aren't equal. you still have to spend money sometimes to harness the power of your movement, to yield delegates. it's expensive. >> it is expensive. we've seen interesting also when you look at donald trump and the gap that he has with women voters and the list of things that he said that have been offensive to women. but you also consider this as well. now john kasich having an issue with that problem, especially
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when it comes to the comments at an event here. it was basically the situation where he was asked about sexual assault on campus by a female voter. this is that exchange. >> my question is, being that i'm a young female college student what are you going to do in office as president to help me feel safer and more secure regarding sexual violence, harassment, and rape? >> we are in a process of making sure that all higher education in our state and this ought to be done in the country, that our coeds know exactly what the rules are, what the opportunities are, what the confidential policies are, so that you are not vulnerable, at risk shs and can be preyed upon. i have two 16-year-old daughters. and i don't even like to think about it. >> but it's something that i have to worry about, just walking -- >> i will also give you one bit of advice, don't go to party where's there's a lot of alcohol. okay? don't do that. >> all right. so you have planned parenthood,
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other people criticizing those remarks. he's still a little bit of backpedalling here, jessica, when it comes to that. this is a guy who is claiming he's the only republican who can beat hillary clinton. how much do you think that's going to hurt him when it comes to women voters? >> i don't think it will actually have a lasting impact because it's not a narrative that has really been created about him, whereas with donald trump this is -- you've seen a pattern here that it starts to stick in voters' minds. it was an ill-advised comment. it was a gaffe they had to walk back. i think he was well intentioned trying to give advice to this student. i don't think it will have a serious impact. >> go ahead, lynn. >> it could have an -- it could become an issue. you know, the many things that governor kasich could have said, the obama white house has a campaign against sexual assault on campus. it's called the it's on us campaign. and it's aimed at men and women.
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vice president biden is very involved in it. just like maybe a few years ago you wouldn't have thought student loans would be something presidential candidates and the obama administration are talking about. so there are policies from the white house that matter and i suppose that shows that governor kasich probably could have had a little more of a response given that it's a program ongoing now in the white house to comment other than, well, watch your drinking at a party. >> we'll see what the shelf life is with those comments, if it's stirred up again. republican strategist jessica proud and lynn sweet at the "chicago sun-times" who did double duty for us here earlier. appreciate you both being with us. thank you both. >> thank you. want to remind you of this programming note here. tomorrow msnbc's delegate hunter jacob soboroff will take you on a campaign trail to show you why delegates matter to the candidates as much as your vote. watch "the delegate hunter" tomorrow morning 11:00 eastern time right here on msnbc. up next, more fallout from
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speaking with aclu after the executive order here and the lawyer for them had this to say. they told you, quote, this order in no way changes the many and serious harms of house bill two, perhaps most concerning, it reiterates the anti-trans components of the law. what was his mccrory's intention here? >> mccrory has been facing an intense backlash. some corpses have said they're not going to do business. others have said that there needs to do is repeal the law. he argues there is a tremendous amount of dismunsing and in cases hip pos kra zi. he issued this executive order and it did a few things. it essentially says that state employees in north carolina would have protections from discrimination if they are gay and lesbian, bisexual or transgender. he recommends for the legislature to reform the law
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slightly so that people can bring a lawsuit for discrimination under state law in state courts. ultimately though it does not change the underlying portions of the law that have made people angry. >> if you think about that, that portion of the law but you consider the others and these numbers here. according to the aclu we're talking about 109 anti-lgbt bills introduced the state legislatures. 44 anti-trans bills. when you look at that and the numbers, what is spurring the wave of recent legislation here and which those numbers is? is it something that culturally, socially, and being part of the fabric that is saying, okay, there's so many of this that is happening now resulting in these numbers? >> i don't think that you can underestimate how disappointing it was for certain social conservatives to have lost at the supreme court with same-sex marriage. there had been a major organizing tool that had driven
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people to the polls. and to lose that people are trying to draw the line somewhere else. and what they're proposing with a number of these laws is to say, look, you can have your same-sex marriage under the law. but don't infringe on my religious rights and they're trying to essentially say, while you may have that marriage on paper, it's recognition is going to be diminished in practice. >> we've seen the backlash and heard about it. we just reported cirque de soleil latest group refused to perform in north carolina. after hb 2 passed many called for the nba all-star to move out of charlotte. we spoke with the nba commissioner adam silver who had this to say. listen. >> the law as it now stands in north carolina is problematic for the league. there was no discussion of moving the all-star game. what the view in the room was we should be working towards change in north carolina.
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>> interesting. so they're keeping the game. hoping for a change. you have this. other parts of corporate america, too, you see it when it comes to maybe the power of the purse being more important. how has that changed or helped things at all in north carolina and other states? sdl. >> this is also happening in mississippi. and practically for a lot of these corporations, you know, their dollars really do send a strong message. and while there are some people who are saying they're not going to do business in these states for ideological reasons, for others it's a practical reason. people simply don't want to go to a state that is known for being anti-gay or anti-trans the same way that some people don't want to go to a state that's known for being racist. so businesses are concerned that they're not going to be able to attract the top talent if they're in these states. >> as we've seen especially when it comes to artist, celebrities who will perform, won't shoot movies. we are seeing that in this case. buzzfeed's dominick holden,
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mansion on the lake. the working folk were not buying it. lost this town. lost almost every county in upstate even though she won the election. this morning there is a good selection of baked goods. everyone is enjoying those muffins, those cookies. they've got the baker here who is going to give us insight into whether hillary clinton has sweetened the town on her. if you were to appoint a hillary clinton muffin in this display case, do you think it would sell? >> one customer. >> i think one would get a hillary muffin. probably either though. i feel like it's more of a conservative town. from what i've heard. i don't really talk to everybody here. >> what about you personally as a baker here, you mentioned earlier you've got hesitations about hillary. tell us about those. >> i do. she's flip-flopped a lot and she's very mama any la tive when she's talking to anybody. like in the debates that i've listened to, it's -- i feel like i'm being coulded by my mom. >> would you say that if she were a man? >> i would say that she would a
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bad manipulative. i've never seen parenting tactics from any other candidate. and you know, like she's flip-flopped a lot from views that she's had in the past and now and i think she's just trying to pander to a different demographic, where i personally would vote for bernie sanders because he's been straight to the point. his entire career has always been the same. he's always fought for equality for everybody and just justice for everybody. >> thank you very much, alice. there is some good news here, francis, for hillary clinton. across the street there is a sandwich shop when she was campaigning in '99 serving a bologna sandwich they called the hillary special. that is no longer on the menu. maybe she's winning people over after all. >> or a hillary muffin there may do just as there. thank you very much. grab me a chocolate croissant. good to go. thank you. a programming note for you here. don't miss "road warriors" at
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>> first, thank you for having me. political temperatures are very high this coming week. president who deported more people than any other president in our nation's history is facing not only the challenge of his legacy but the very vibrancy of the immigrant backbone of our nation. what are we going to do with 11 million people? we don't have enough airplanes, handcuffs, and jails to jail these individuals and remove them from the country. president reagan was the last time we had an amnesty in this country and president is now running to find a way. the states, do they have standing to take this on? we have to print drivers' licenses. all the president is doing is basically saying we're not removing these people, let's let them stay and work. the states are now taking it to task. congress, by the way, who has not done a good job either, is going to participate in a oraling orment. this is theater at its worse because the job of our elected officials is to fix a broken system and not get distracted in
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the course. >> theater as you put it and on stage are families here, families who can be broken apart, one by one we've heard from them. in the case when the president issued that executive order a year and a half ago we spoke to undocumented immigrants here in new york. here's a reminder of that. >> we're not bad people. it's just a struggle back in our old country. my parents just came to work and gave me a better life. >> so, victoria, we've seen, again, heard from them. we heard from family to fam i, individual to individual, how they could possibly affected. how will these undocumented individual bs impacted if we see a ruling against the president? >> human face is so powerful. i think that's going to be a prominent role going into this week. but another very important factor that we need to consider,
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especially since we're coopi inp on tax day, is a contribution that immigrants make, both legal and illegal immigrants. we know that immigrants would have paid an extra $800 million in taxes. we have those outcomes. how is this supreme court going to rule on this? we don't know. but what we do know for sure is that this is going to be a very hot and vibrant topic come the 2016 election. you know on the one hand we have the court potentially getting tied, not going forward. the daca and dopa remains blocked. on the other hand, perhaps it's unblocked and we have these young persons, the parents of these young persons, get the ability to get those drivers' licenses to work. but remember, this is under an executive action, so if a republican comes into office that could be taken away. >> interesting also when you take this into consideration, michael, looking at the justices, especially with the vacancy left from justice scalia and his passing, how will that
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impact this? >> you are going to have possibly a 4-4 decision. there isn't a tiebreaker, if you would, which means this could end up in the courts. and if it's ending up in the goo be for the next president to deal with this. we have a huge legacy of helping those people on humanitarian basis or otherwise. my father represented john lennon in the case with a whole deferred action program. through generations our government was not deporting individuals. the president here is trying to set a priority. the political temperatures may be hot. but the bottom line, if we're not going to remove these individuals, we should be using the rigor, the entrepreneurial spirit where unification of families and all the beautiful tools that immigration gives to a fledging economy to help make ourselves better. and shame on the politics of this for republicans to get people scared, whether it's refugees or people that are living in our midst. of there isn't any industry from the hospitality corridors or otherwise that's being affected
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by this. and here, unfortunately, it's in a court. so whatever happens on monday, we're going to have to deal with this as a nation. these individuals aren't leaving. we need to stand up and do what's right. >> a lot to watch on that day on monday. thank you very much. university of texas professor and msnbc contributor, victoria de francesco. both of you, thank you very much. still to come, a look at how candidates from both parties are vying for the jewish vote here in new york. if you misplace your discover card,
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we are three days away from the new york primary. john kasich is in second place, hoping to make up ground quickly. he'll be speaking at a synagogue in great neck, new york, this afternoon. candidates from both parties are vying hard for the jewish vote. new york has the largest and most diverse jewish community outside israel and make up 19% of the voting block. california peri speaking in the
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upper west side, slicing up the locks there. what are you hearing from the voters this morning? >> reporter: well, we're hearing this is going to be a very important voting block, as you mentioned. almost 20% of the electorate on tuesday expected to be jewish voters. we have been talking to people all morning and i'll make you hungry as we walk around and talk about the vote. people are talking about what is important to them, specifically israel. we spoke to dave sherman a few minutes ago and he talked about how it doesn't matter who is elected. all the candidates he believes have a pretty good grasp of the israeli issue. >> when they all spoke to the jewish group -- >> reporter: a peck. >> yeah. they all seemed to say the right things, even donald trump said the right things. they all support israel. so i think that's a good thing. so that was positive. nobody really seemed like -- you know what, even though trump
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said that he is -- said he's got to be impartial and all that and the other, which i think is not a bad thing. because you know what, if you don't, people are going to say you know what, you're not user-friendly. i still think israel will be in good shape, regardless. >> reporter: as we look at these candidates, they all have a connection to jewish voters here in the state of new york, starting on the democratic side. hillary clinton has really emerged as the pro israel candidate on the democratic side. bernie sanders grew up jewish. that is something he can capitalize. ted cruz has come out being very much against that deal with iran, playing well amongst conservative orthodox jewish voters. and donald trump, his daughter converted to orthodox judaism, something he hopes will help on tuesday. >> an interesting tidbit. i didn't know that. thank you, cal perry. appreciate it. thank you. >> absolutely. and that does it for me. i'm francis rivera. appreciate you being with me
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