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to a second ballot. >> it's a corrupt system. you're basically buying these people. you're basically saying, delegate, listen. we're going to send you to mar-a-lago on a boeing 757. >> now the bad news for cruz, he's on a little bit of a roll right now but donald trump could be on the verge of a much bigger one. one that could wipe out all the progress cruz has made and could put trump on course to clinch the nomination. it starts tomorrow in new york. i am going to show you the numbers the trump campaign is salivating over in just a minute. also ahead, does trump have a secret weapon in the next big primary to vote after new york? we'll talk to a delegate from pennsylvania who has a lot more power than most delegates. you'll want to see that. also, bernie sanders gets his meeting with the pope, but he'll need a real hail mary to pull out a win in new york
tomorrow. >> those are the public polls but the bottom line is let's look at the real poll tomorrow. generally speaking, a poll that has underestimated how we do in elections. >> record crowds in brooklyn, new york's prospect park over the weekend to hear sanders. still a double-digit gap for sanders. one day to go now until new york. that is still ahead. rounding out our agenda, a republican establishment reality check. what our new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll says that could puncture one of the great hopes of the stop trump movement. that's our most important number of the day. what it is and what it means in a little bit. we start with our top story. ted cruz with another win over the weekend at a convention in wyoming taking all 14 delegates up for grabs at the republican state convention in casper on saturday. cruz wasting no time attacking trump there. he says compromising his values.
>> donald trump has been supporting liberal democratic politicians for 40 years. i have no experience with that. donald continued, ted, when it comes to the supreme court and religious liberty, you have to learn to compromise and learn to cut deals with the democrats and learn to go along to get along. let me be very clear to the men and women of wyoming. i will not compromise away your religious liberty. >> with big northeast contests starting with new york tomorrow and a bunch more the week after, is trump about to overshadow cruz in a big way? let's take a look at these numbers. this is what the trump campaign thinks it could be getting over the next week or two. this is where the race stands right now. cruz again with that success in wyoming, the success in colorado last week. the win in wisconsin. a little bit of a roll for cruz. he's closed the gap. within 200 delegates of donald
trump right now. that's the good news for cruz. now the bad news. this is what donald trump's people think could happen tomorrow and then next week. they think first tomorrow, new york votes. those 95 delegates, there's a chance donald trump could get 85 or more of them. there's a chance he could get all 95 of them tomorrow. that's because of the way they give out the delegates here. a big trump win, if he's breaking 50% in every congressional district. he's getting all 95 of those delegates. then a week later, a week after tomorrow, polls show trump leading in pennsylvania, maryland. polls show trump leading there. delaware, winner take all state with 16 delegates. rhode island, if you believe in the demographics of this race, this could be one of his best states. between new york tomorrow and mid-atlantic and new england states that vote a week later. we showed you that lead cut within 200. that delegate lead for donald trump by eight days from now could be over 400.
he could be sitting, donald trump could, near 950 delegates at the end of this month. and then the rest of the country to go beyond the end of this month and june 7th. if donald trump is around 950 eight days from now, he would have to get the rest of those delegates to clear 1,237. very doable for trump. the news has been good for ted cruz but it could get very good for donald trump tomorrow and then a week from tomorrow. that is the backdrop for what's about to kick off tomorrow in new york. speaking of this, on the same subject, trump's campaign manager corey lewandowski is optimistic about what tomorrow and the week after could bring in terms of a delegate haul for his candidate. >> by the end of this month and the next two weeks, donald trump will add an additional 200 delegates to his total. >> lun sdewandowski has seen hie
diminish in the campaign. check this out. a trump source telling politico, quote, we're trying to set expectations at 180. 180 delegates for the rest of this month and he just blew through that. that's an amateur. that's an unnamed source speaking about corey lewandowski. katy tur is joining me from new york at trump tower. this has been hard to figure out. you had corey lewandowski was the face of this campaign for a long time. he had all the legal troubles. trump brought in this convention manager paul manafort. the role of lewandowski right now. what's your sense of it? >> well, there's two competing groups within the campaign from what i am told by sources. as you said there's the corey lewandowski camp. he's been on with donald trump since the beginning.
i've heard even before the legal matter, the criminal matter down in florida, before that was hashed and then resolved there was infighting in the campaign and a feeling among those closest to donald trump that he did not have the experience or temperament to continue with the candidate through the nomination and into a general election successfully. so there's now a contingent there now, paul manafort, rick wiley, a number of others who are more experienced operatives. people who have worked on campaigns before and have relationships with washington. and right now i'm told they are the ones trying to clean up this campaign. they're trying to not make any unnecessary mistakes from now until the convention. they want to get as many delegates as they can in new york and the states you just mentioned. because of that, they are taking more control. they have a closer ear to the candidate. and lewandowski is becoming more of a body man, an advance man. that's what i'm hearing from my
sources. we will continue to see how this unfolds. so far corey lewandowski is back on the trail. he was in staten island when getting the endorsement of the new york policeman veterans. >> katy tur outside trump tower in new york. thanks for that. want to turn to congressman chris collins from western new york, a donald trump supporter. he wrote an op ed called "the case for trump." >> steve, nice to be with you today. >> thank you. let me ask you this. your state, you know it well. 95 delegates up for grabs tomorrow. donald trump, barring an act of god, is probably going to win the state tomorrow. how many delegates is he going to get? >> well, you've heard the campaign say 85. quite frankly i think that's at the low end. donald trump's popularity is truly amazing. we've got that 50% rule. if he in a couple of
congressional districts comes in with 48%, then someone else could get a couple more delegates, although it would likely be john kasich, not ted cruz. it's going to be a really big day tomorrow. >> in terms of falling short. if he falls short of getting all 95, any particular pockets, regions of the state where he may struggle? >> definitely not up near buffalo or any part of upstate new york. upstate new york really outside the five boroughs, west chester and long island is so angry about the loss of jobs, the devastation of new york over the last 30-plus years that they are really turning out for a nontraditional candidate, someone like donald trump who is hitting all the right notes when it comes to jobs, china and mexico. no, it's not upstate new york. i think you'd have to look to a couple of congressional districts, perhaps long island or some of the five boroughs. but i believe donald trump could
win all 95, but let's say it's 85. that's still, to use donald trump's term, huge victory tomorrow for donald trump. >> the other headline out of the weekend. ted cruz did really well at the state convention in wyoming. also these conventions in states around the country. some of them states where donald trump won the primary. but then there's this whole process for picking delegates where the cruz campaign has been excelling. i know your candidate has been saying and your campaign has been saying how unfair you feel the process is. but these are the rules of the process and ted cruz's campaign it seems at least from afar is much better positioned organizationally to take advantage of them. just in terms of the organizational issue is that something that concerns you? is the trump campaign organized enough whether it's against ted cruz now or potentially hillary clinton in the fall in a situation like this? >> steve, no question we need to win this on the first ballot. i think most of us recognize that. ted cruz has been at this a long
time. give him credit. when it comes to inside baseball, all of the political maneuvering behind the scenes, there's no one better than ted cruz on the inside baseball. but that's frankly what the voters are rejecting. they don't want someone that excels at the political inside baseball game. they want a true outsider that is donald trump. yes, when it comes to the caucuses and some of the other maneuvering, ted cruz has a massive organization. that's where he put his effort. donald trump has tapped into the everyday grassroots support which frankly is more important when it comes to voter turnout and come general election. but we need to win this on the first ballot and that's why tomorrow, starting with 85 or more delegates, and then moving in just eight days from now to pick up another 90, 100 delegates is exactly the momentum donald trump needs to get to the 1,237. >> when you say ted cruz as the
insider, a lot of people may say this is the guy who went on the senate floor last year and breached a corum in a way thquoy that he said mcconnell lied to him. he pushed for the government shutdown a few years ago. the ted cruz lindsey graham was joking about the prospective murder of ted cruz. ted cruz to hear him described as an insider, a lot of people may say, are you sure you're talking about ted cruz? >> i'm not calling him an establishment republican. there's a difference between being an establishment republican versus someone who knows the ins and outs and inside way to maneuver around whether it's convention delegates or, in fact, the rules of the senate floor. i'm not suggesting ted cruz is an establishment republican, but what i am saying is he is well schooled and very good at what
ma nipulating the rules to his advantage within the rules but, no, i'm calling that the inside baseball piece. don't mistake that. i'm not ever suggesting he's a traditional establishment republican. that's why he really has no support whatsoever in washington. >> all right, chris collins, congressman from new york, supporter of donald trump. >> thanks, steve. a little further down the calendar, new york comes tomorrow and then we get right into the mid-atlantic and new england contests. on progreapril 26th, that may b most important story in this race that no one is talking about. has to do with pennsylvania. pennsylvania will vote on april 26th. in that state you can see it on your screen. you see those two numbers in pennsylvania. there are two different kinds of delegates at stake in pennsylvania. one of them is easy. 17. those go to whoever wins the statewide primary. then there's the real jackpot, that bigger number, the 54.
those are unbound delegates. that means they'll be able to vote for whoever they want to vote for at the national convention. they are free agents. many of those 54 will be chosen in that primary next week. more than 100 men and women have have their names on the primary ballot in pennsylvania. 54 of them will become unbound delegates to the national convention. they could be the difference in whether donald trump hits that's magic number of 1,237 or if the stop trump movement succeeds in derailing him. joining me is one of those prospective unbound delegates from harrisburg, pennsylvania. andrew, thanks for taking a few minutes. this is one of those elements of minutia that in any other year wouldn't matter. in a year like this, it's huge. if you go to this convention as one of these 54 unbound delegates, you and that bloc from pennsylvania could be the difference for whether donald trump gets the nomination or
not. how do you approach this? do you have a candidate right now that you know you're going to support? >> you know, steve, you are right. this is unique for pennsylvania in one sense. our primary hasn't been this meaningful for several decades now. looking ahead, i got in this rai race, not for any one presidential campaign or for any party but for the voters. i'll stay committed to at least on the first ballot and likely on subsequent ballots i'll vote for the candidate that wins the popular vote of the fourth congressional district, which is the district for which i'm running for delegate. >> that's a key point. all of the polling coming out of pennsylvania suggests donald trump is going to win the state. likely to win the state and by a wide margin. if what you are saying holds, that's potentially a vote for donald trump. if trump wins your district by the margin we're seeing now. is this something you expect the other unbound delegates to do to
honor whatever the voters say in the primary next week? >> there's a good mix of candidates across the ballot. there are -- one-third of the candidates are pledged for senator cruz. one-third are pledged for donald trump. i don't believe we have any pledged at this point for john kasich. and all the remaining candidates are either pledged to support the candidate who wins the popular vote of their congressional district or we have some candidates who have pledged to support the candidate who wins the popular vote of the entire commonwealth of pennsylvania. >> i'm just trying to think practically speaking, if a candidate, and the polls are suggesting it would be donald trump. if a candidate wins a district or the state by a wide margin, it would be tough for an unbound delegate to say, that's one thing but i'm going to vote for a different candidate, wouldn't it? >> it would be really tough. i think if you look at what's happened in some parts of the country. you were just talking about that
in some different areas with the delegate games going on if you will. i think elections have to matter. conventions matter. and the voters are absolutely engaged in this delegate selection process in pennsylvania. and for them to be this engaged to make their selections both for delegate and presidential nominee in eight days on april 26th, and then for a delegate to defy, if you will, the will of the voters, that's would be problematic and i don't think that's what the intention of pennsylvania's delegate process is. >> ballpark figure, of the 54 unbound delegates. if this is what happens in pennsylvania and trump wins by 20, 25 points, how many of those 54 do you think he gets? >> i do think some of the polls i've been looking at show it a little closer, but nonetheless with trump ahead. how many does he get? that's difficult. i haven't done a full analysis of all the delegate slates statewide. i imagine if he wins statewide
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we were 25 points down in michigan and ended up winning michigan. >> senator bernie sanders just on the "today" show this morning. he likes his chances of pulling off an upset of hillary clinton in tomorrow's democratic primary here in new york. sanders is pointing to momentum and enthusiasm as evidenced by what his campaign says is a record turnout for his get out the vote rally in prospect park brooklyn here in new york city yesterday. more than 28,000 people showed up on a beautiful spring afternoon for that. the latest poll shows hillary clinton maintaining a double-digit lead over sanders in new york, 53% to 43%. clinton and sanders returned to the new york campaign trail yesterday after brief diversions out of the state, or in sanders case, out of the country. sanders met briefly with the pope at the vatican and attended a conference on social and economic issues. clinton was in california where she attended some high-profile fund-raisers with george clooney who talked about it with chuck
todd on "meet the press." >> it is an obscene amount of money. the sanders campaign when they talk about it is right. it's ridiculous we should have this kind of money in politics. i agree completely. >> also we got an update on the delegate race on the democratic side. hillary clinton's lead over bernie sanders right now, the key column there is the allocated or pledge delegates. the ones actually given out in primaries or caucuses. she leads by 240. that's the column the sanders campaign is saying if they can get the lead, then the superdelegates where clinton has the huge advantage, the sanders campaign believes those superdelegates will have no choice but to flip their allegiances if sanders can get ahead in the allocated column. it looks luke 240. the state of washington where bernie sanders won an enormous victory still has not actually distributed its delegates. when they do, that gap is going
to fall to about 200. but bernie sanders to close that gap will need to get wins down the stretch. that include probably new york tomorrow. nbc's kristen welker is just a few blocks to our north. she's in midtown manhattan following the clinton campaign. an interesting contrast over the weekend. a lot of people were asking, why is bernie sanders leaving new york, leaving the country a few days before the primary. he met with the pope. at the same time headlines about hillary clinton were this high-dollar fund-raiser out there in california. any blowback for the clinton campaign from that fund-raiser? >> there's blowback to the extent they've been explaining it all weekend. when she pulled up to that fund-raiser at george and amal clooney's house on saturday, some sanders supporters were throwing dollar bills at her car. that trip to the vatican allowed senator sanders to underscore one of his central points which
is that he is the true progressive candidate. he's the one who is going to get money out of politics. and those optics really striking over the weekend. it's not clear, though, steve, that this is going to impact the race in new york. as you rightfully point out, secretary clinton has a double-digit lead here in new york. she's had a double-digit lead. i've been talking privately to some of her campaign officials who say they actually expect the race is going to get tighter heading into tomorrow. but margins matter. we keep saying that. they certainly matter tomorrow. if she wins this race by more than ten points, she could get as many as a 25-delegate net gain. what would that mean? that would mean senator sanders would have to win more than 70% of all the delegates moving forward and that's going to be a really high bar to meet. again the clinton campaign downplaying it expectations. they just want to win tomorrow and they don't think she'd be able to put this race out of reach until may but there's no
doubt what happens tomorrow is significant in this race. steve? >> kristen welker. a huge stack of delegates up for grabs here in new york if clinton gets any kind of win tomorrow that's going to make sanders' math that much more difficult. let's turn to jeff merkeley, the only sitting senator who has so far endorsed senator sanders. your state is still to come. we're all talking about new york on the democratic side right here. senator sanders has closed the gap. the lead awhile ago was much wider for hillary clinton but still it's basically double digits in every poll we're looking at in new york. in terms of actually becoming the democratic candidate for president, winning the nomination, this is a must-win state, isn't it? >> i won't say it's a must-win but needs to be close. we have a series of new england states that's follow shortly. what happens in new york can have an influence. what we see is sanders' momentum. we've seen eight of the nine last contests he's taken.
we've seen him close a gap on the polling from 30% to roughly 10% to 12% in new york and as bernie himself pointed out, often the real poll, that is the election, has favored him far more than the polling has. so what counts is what happens tomorrow. >> a lot of people say that momentum isn't really momentum. it's just sort of the nature of the calendar. it dips into some states that are demographically favorable to hillary clinton and moves to states that are more demographically favorable to bernie sanders. if you look at the basic contours of this race, they haven't really changed. the formula for bernie sanders has been, you know, he hasn't done that well with african-american voters. he's done much better with white voters. that's the basic divide in this race. do you see that? >> well, i do think that you have far greater gaps, but as people have gotten to know bernie, those gaps have narrowed and he's often taken home a victory. we have seen a fundamental
change. people said if we go back six, eight months ago there's no chance bernie will be a serious contender in this race. that's no longer the conversation. >> let me ask you this. you endorsed him last week. you are the only sitting senator so far who has endorsed hum. we put that superdelegate up there. and these are senators, members of congress who are the superdelegates and hillary clinton has been dominating that category. would it have made a difference if you had come out sooner? what took you so long to get behind him? >> the timing for me was to express my opinion as the race was coming up in oregon. now the ballots go out in oregon. it's a mail-in election. it comes out ten days from now. people will start voting and have those ballots in 2 1/2 weeks. that's the key. most folks decided to endorse early on where there was really only one possible candidate that people thought was viable. and that was hillary. they wanted to be on the winning side. they took the safe endorsement. but when it comes to key issues
facing america, whether it's on the trade agreement, whether it's on global warming, whether it's cash in politics, the corruption really of our political system by citizens united and the role of money will in all three of these areas, bernie has been the leader, the voice, the progressive champion. n that's why people are rally g ing to his side. >> do you expect there will be any other endorsements from senators switching sides? >> i think everyone cast their lot early on and rarely -- they don't change unless there's something like a john edwards blowup and nobody is anticipating that in this case. people's positions are pretty set. however, those who are not in elected office, the other superdelegates, they may be much more likely to switch sides. they don't have a public stance they've taken in quite the same way. >> jeff merkley, supporter of
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that number is 71. this has everything to do with that open contested convention scenario you hear all the time, if we get there. if we get somewhere we haven't been in many of our lifetimes. maybe it won't be trump. maybe it won't be cruz or kasich. maybe somebody else will emerge. that's what happens at open conventions. 71, as in 71% in our new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll, 71% of republicans say it is not acceptable if the party this summer nominates a candidate for president who didn't run in the primaries. this is key because you hear this a lot from the stop trump movement. they lot have aligned themselves with ted cruz. ted cruz still not necessarily their preferred candidate but they'd like to get it to an open convention. they'd like the chaos of an open convention and maybe somebody else could emerge. paul ryan had his press conference last week. tried to make it clear he wasn't interested in having this nomination. the chatter persists.
the one sure way to keep chatter going is to deny you have any interest in it. condoleezza rice, that's a name you also hear mentioned sometimes. even mitt romney. that name has been floated many times. this is the key. 71% of republicans, nearly 3 out of 4 of them saying they don't want any of those other candidates emerging. they want their nominee to be either donald trump, ted cruz or john kasich. one of the candidates out there now. a bit of a reality check. every time we go down this road of talking about the open conventon or contested one vention. i get excited. our imaginations run wild. i'm not sure if they'll go for it if it comes to that. still a question of whether it will even come to that. joining me to discuss a little more about that we have steve forbes, the chairman of forbes media. also a candidate for the republican presidential nomination in 1996 and 2000. i make the journey over from the board to here. let me ask you where this
republican race stands in your mind. there's two ways of looking at it. ted cruz has had a good couple of weeks. he's picking off delegates, wyoming and these other places. on the other hand, it looks like donald trump is about to have a good week. what's the likelihood of trump surviving this and getting the first ballot nomination? >> he still has to be favored. tomorrow he should get 80, 85 out of the 95 delegates in new york. smothers p some other primaries where he should do well. he could come out with 11 ass50 1200 delegates which puts him near the nomination. >> so 1,237 is the line. you hear from the stop trump crowd, they are out there saying, if we stop him even one delegate short, that's it. he's not going to get it. the trump side says there's wiggle room there we could pick off some more. how close do you think he has to get? >> you have five big primaries
and two big ones june 7th. california and new jersey and three smaller ones. let's say ted cruz sweeps those. even though he wouldn't have as many delegates, the voters have looked hard at us and i've got momentum. if trump wins california or new jersey, which is winner take all, he could say, you see, people have examined me again and so he'll get the momentum for it. over 2,000 delegates. each one wants their 15 minutes of his or her fame. they'll want to be there for -- if trump gets close, somebody will want to raise his or her hand and say, i put you over. >> you mentioned new jersey. are you part of the stop trump movement? >> no, i want a good nominee movement. i haven't endorsed any candidates yet. >> but trump would be acceptable? >> i'll endorse the nominee. both candidates -- two key candidates, cruz and trump, are starting to step up their game. trump has not had an organization. now that's beginning to tell on him. he should have, a couple of
months ago when he won new hampshire, he should have known these were going to go to the distance. he's got to step up in terms of organization. only now is he beginning to do this. and ted cruz has to realize he has to go for big issues like the flat tax. lead with it the way reagan led with the big tax cut. more on the message and principles you're advocating. both have to change their games if they want to go the distance. >> you would be okay with donald trump. you'd support him. you have voices in the stop trump crowd. lindsey graham and others. if this party nominates donald trump, it's a disaster in the general election. what do you say to that? >> this gets to the whole process. usually parties don't nominee candidates they think are going to lose. even though like ronald reagan was seen as a nonwinner in 1980. he demonstrated obviously he could win a general election. this is where the real test
comes. critical primaries coming up. and so how do cruz and trump get that one-third. three parts of the party. one-third, firm for trump. one one-third against trump. one-third in the middle. not really leaning towards him but could be persuaded. how do they get that one-third that's going to tip the scales? the momentum will be critical. if it looks like cruz has a game that can go against trump, he could win the nomination. if trump shows he can step up his game and start making substantive policy speeches showing he can reach out and win the waverers, then he could be formidable in the general election. >> one-third in the republican party against trump at all costs. it certainly seems right to me. how do you ever get them on board if he's the nominee in the fall? >> that's where reach out is important. votes don't matter about emotions. it's whether you cast that ballot. even though you may not like a particular candidate, you have to run against somebody else,
hillary clinton doesn't excite people in the republican party. and so you have to show that you can reach out, that you've thought things through. you don't just say, i don't like nato. you need a substantive policy speech. you have to change your game. trump has to step up his game. cruz has to do his in terms of policy substance that appeal beyond his base. they have to go beyond their natural bases if they want to win this nomination. if they win the nomination, people may take a fresh look. i don't like really any of them, but who could i go with? that's where you make your case and have to persuade. >> steve forbes, former republican presidential candidate. thanks for the time. when we come back, we'll go to the supreme court. they'll be hearing arguments on a monumental immigration case. jose diaz-balart is going to join me next. time for the" your business" entrepreneur of the week. scott chastain was on the verge of losing all his money when his company ever fan that made capes
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showdown on immigration. >> steve, it really say big day here in washington, d.c. the supreme court behind me is really the epicenter of interest for so many people. millions and millions of people that would be benefitted under the president's executive actions. the actions announced in 2014 but have been on hold since texas and another 25 states joins in opposing the immigration executive actions. it would have shielded about 5 million undocumented immigrants in this country from deportation. these would be people that's have u.s.-born children or children that are legal residents of the united states of america, and it would temporarily shield them from deportation. it's been frozen in the courts. today the supreme court is listening to about 90 minutes of arguments. in favor of and against the president's executive order. also the legal standing issue of whether texas and these other
states have the legal standing to present this type of legal argument in the supreme court. so a lot of people, and i've been meeting people. i've been here since yesterday, steve. there thousands of people outside the court right now, thousands of them that spent the night outside the court and in the churches nearby. people from california, from texas, from new mexico, from florida, from new york, from all over the country who are here, many of whom wouldn't probably even be accepted under the president's executive orders vis-a-vis immigration but they just want to be here, to be a witness to this, which starts today, steve. we know that the supreme court won't decide one way or another until june, but they're here and they want to be here. a lot of chains of prayers are being held throughout the city here by people hoping that the supreme court moves their way. >> jose, this is one i think probably to set the calendars
for. you say the ruling late june. >> right. >> that's when we've come to expect these big rulings at the very end of the term, but that would be smack dab in the middle of the presidential campaign. this could shake up the race. >> it would indeed, if the supreme court says, yes, the executive orders are constitutional and are legal, then the administration is ready from that moment on to start the process of registering people. having people come out from under the shadows and renl stri registering. if it goes the other way, it's pretty much over. from june to january there may not be enough time to appeal some of the aspects of it, but it would be very difficult to see this would be put into effect if the supreme court says no. >> it looks like a beautiful spring morning in washington, d.c. >> it is indeed. coming up, we will head back to the presidential race. a visit to bernie sanders' childhood apartment.
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fund-raisers and bernie sanders jumps on them, it's pause he grew up in places like this, in a small apart building on the other side of these houses. not a very long walk to school and back and that's really the mood here. people are excited for the primary. all of his friends growing up in this neighborhood are looking forward to it. they understand it's an uphill climb but they tell me maybe he's got the momentum. we'll see, steve. >> cal, this is just coming in to me. check this one out. somebody is telling me that high school is also ruth bader ginsburg's alma mater. so if that's true -- >> yes, yes. >> two senators and a supreme court justice. >> reporter: and four nobel laureates. i'll have to get in there and find out who they are. because the great depression brought so many great teachers here, the people in this neighborhood tell me so many great graduates. >> it's still no groton high school in groton, massachusetts. cal perry, thank you for that.
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>> these are the same rules that were in place basically for over a century. >> you're going to have a very, very upset and angry group of people at the convention. >> if we come together and unite, we will win the general election. we will beat hillary clinton. >> this primary on tuesday is really important to send a message. >> the senator drew over 28,000 people to brooklyn's prospect park yesterday. >> welcome to the political revolution. >> my opponent in the primary talks about taking on the interests. where were you? i mean really? >> and we are now exactly three months from the start of the republican convention in cleveland and this morning donald trump is telling party leaders to fix their delegate system or prepare for what he calls a rough july. over the weekend, the front-runner again found himself flat-footed, this time at a party convention in wyoming.
because of that, ted cruz now takes all 14 delegates from wyoming, from that convention on saturday. trump says he was robbed, but he insists he will still hit 1,237 before the convention and that is very possible. if you look at tomorrow in new york where donald trump is favored, he could clean up all 55 delegates in this state and then a week later donald trump could be sitting back on a delegate lead of over 400 by the end of this month. so it remains to be seen how close ted cruz can get. on the democratic side, meanwhile, bernie sanders says pay no attention to those polls that you've been seeing. he's down anywhere from 10 to 17 points here in new york but is looking to pull off what would be by any measure a stunning upset against new york's adopted daughter, hillary clinton. our political team is here this morning. they are spread out from new york to maryland where they're going to have a big primary next tuesday.
we'll start with nbc's katy tur who's outside trump tower here in new york. katy, we're talking about the path forward for the trump campaign. they have sort of been on defense for the last two weeks after that loss in wisconsin with all these convention losses around the country, but they have a chance starting tomorrow to go on offense in a big way. >> reporter: they have been on defense, but the schedule going forward, especially for the month of april, does look very good for donald trump. what they're trying to do is get as many delegates as they can, starting as they always are, starting here in new york state, which has over 90 delegates. they're going to try and get all of them in order to bridge that gap between where they are now and where they need to be at the convention. they are doing that by hammering the idea that the rules are not fair. they're saying the rules are set up against an outsider and they're painting ted cruz as the ultimate insider here, which is interesting because ted cruz himself has been trying to paint himself as an outsider, as a man who has not been liked by
washington. he's saying ted cruz is the only one who benefits when the voters don't vote. he benefits from these back room dealings and the push by the establishment to give ted cruz delegates, while donald trump is getting much more of the vote. i asked him why he doesn't want to play within that system yesterday in staten island. listen to how he answered. >> you talk about what a deal maker you are and certainly at least in new york city where you had tremendous success in building, it's a hard place to figure out the rules and find success in. why not work within the rules -- >> because i don't want to play the rule game. i tell you what, we live in a democracy and it's all about getting the bosses out. the bosses are picking -- now, i'm winning. you will say i'm winning by 200 delegates. i'm winning more importantly in my opinion, i'm winning by over 2 million votes. >> reporter: this message is appealing directly to those in the republican party who feel like they have not been represented by washington, who
haven't been represented by their politicians. in fact a majority of republicans think that the person with the most votes come july should get the nomination, should get the nomination at the convention, and donald trump's team does recognize that and they're trying to use that to their advantage. that's why you're hearing trump hit that message every single day. at the same time, they don't want to alienate delegates and delegates are often party loyalists. that is a struggle within the trump campaign because there is a contingent that does get quite angry at this idea at the convention taking away the nomination, but there's a contingent saying we need to pump the brakes on these criticisms against the rnc. the rnc is going to need to be on our side if we get close to the nomination and if we do get the nomination so there's still some infighting. what you're seeing onstage is donald trump himself start to hone in on his message saying that he's the one that will represent you and trying to paint ted cruz as the dishonest
one. if he can totally minimize ted cruz, he can get more and more delegates. his argument that i have the most votes will be much, much stronger when he gets to july, steve. >> katy tur outside trump tower here in new york city. thank you for that. hallie jackson is following ted cruz. he's already left new york where the polls don't look too good tomorrow focusing on maryland which votes next tuesday. hallie, we're talking about two things going on at the same time. ted cruz having a big weekend again, organizationally, getting more delegates out of wyoming and a few other places. at the same time donald trump may be poised for a big week. what's the cruz campaign looking at when it comes to this delegate hunt. >> reporter: let's take the second half of the question first. looking ahead to what's happening in the next week, new york, there's no expectation ted cruz will win. donald trump looks incredibly strong as you've been talking about. the best he can do is hope to peel off a few delegates here or
there. so why are we in maryland and headed to philadelphia tomorrow? for the very reason that you talked about. cruz is already looking ahead to states that will vote next week and even after that, indiana, and then in june, california. why? there's a sense that they can pick off delegates in pennsylvania. i had a top campaign aide tell me, hey, even if we come in third place in p.a., we could still get more than half of the delegates and that is really important to their strategy moving forward. maryland right here, 38 delegates at play, so these are areas where you'll see ted cruz rally. it should be noted donald trump holds very significant leads when it comes to polling. this does not look particularly favorable to cruz, but it's where his campaign believes there's an opportunity before you make the turn to that may throwrd battleground state of indiana. now, organizationally, yes, you talked about wyoming. ted cruz picking up 14 at-large delegates. we were out there over the weekend and i tell you, it really felt like a cruz crowd.
you had large con tin enjents o people there were there and cruz obviously coming out on top. here's what he had to say to the delegates there. listen. >> donald continued and said, ted, when it comes to the supreme court, when it comes to religious liberty, you've got to learn to compromise. you've got to learn to cut deals with the democrats and go along to get along. well, let me be very, very clear to the men and women of wyoming. i will not compromise away your religious liberty. >> reporter: so cruz making his pitch there and, steve, he made the pitch this morning on "good morning america" say that essential lly that his pitch at convention would be donald trump would not be able to beat hillary clinton in a general election. he would tell the delegates there that they shouldn't pick the loser, steve. so a lot of action in the republican race today. yes, new york, tomorrow, just 24 hours away. but the real story is happening in places like maryland in, places like pennsylvania. as this race heads to the
midwest and to the west. >> nbc's hallie jackson in maryland, home of the towson university tigers. there is still another republican in the race who would like to spoil donald trump's hopes of pulling off that sweep of all 95 delegates here in new york. that is ohio governor john kasich. he's been campaigning hard in new york for the past two weeks. kelly o'donnell is with the kasich campaign in syracuse, home of the orange, to continue this college nickname theme. kelly, look, donald trump the heavy favorite here in new york tomorrow. how much of a dent can john kasich put into donald trump's delegate haul tomorrow? >> well, he is hoping there will be a way to chip away at that and we're in the sort of before picture for a john kasich town hall here in syracuse. the typical setup is this, steve. there's the debt clock here where he has that running to remind everybody second by second how much each of us owes, more than $59,000 per citizen. and this is a place where john
kasich is using his town hall style to try to connect to voters so that he can peel away some of the support in places like this where he often says that he can really relate to the trump voter who is angry about the system, who is angry about job loss, because that's the sort of upbringing that john kasich had. he's making that appeal in very personal terms. also over the weekend, he talked about his faith coming after the death of his parents in a car accident and that depth of faith is something that he hopes will connect to voters around the state as well. and he's saying to donald trump act like a professional when it comes to things like whining in kasich's words about the delegate count that you've just been discussing, trying to send that message that kasich has executive experience, has some of the sort of temperament for the office that might be more suitable. making that appeal to voters. but as you know, he's been running third, a distant third, and it's about chipping away at delegates, keeping trump from getting to that sweep of the
state. and then continuing on, he gets lots of endorsements from papers here in the northeast, no new york as well as connecticut and the states that vote next. that's been a trend for john kasi kasich, getting the support of the newspapers. also former republican governor of new york, george pataki signing on with jakasich tryingo make that connection but it means getting all the way to the convention, hoping that ballot one, ballot two won't go for trump or cruz and that kasich can then be the alternative. that's the game plan. he is sort of a joyful warrior campaigning vote by vote, taking questions from voters. in some ways much more than the other candidates at this stage. answering their concerns, talking about his own ideas and having a few sometimes corny jokes in the mix as well. steve. >> it wouldn't be a political rally without corny jokes, that's for sure. kelly o'donnell on the kasich beat. thank you for that. turning to the democratic side. kristen welker is set up up the street from us in midtown
manhattan. we'll hear from hillary clinton there in a few hours. kristen, overall the clinton campaign is in good shape, at least if you believe the polls in new york. we believed the polls in michigan and she got an upset loss there so that is something the sanders team is clinging to, the hope of a michigan repeat. but so much of this democratic race in new york has been dominated by the tone. the tone turning a lot harsher, a lot uglier than in other states. hillary clinton dealing with that still the last couple days. >> reporter: there's no doubt about it, steve. we have seen the tone of this race get increasingly uglier in recent days. over the weekend the issue was secretary clinton attended a number of high-price fund-raisers hosted by george and amal clooney saturday at their home and you had sanders supporters throwing dollar bills at her car while she arrived. the top ticket to that into that event was $100,000 a couple, so
that gives you a sense of what we're talking about when we mean high priced. senator sanders used that to underscore one of his key arguments, that he is the true progressive in this race and that he's the candidate who will get money out of politics. secretary clinton firing back that, look, she's raising money for all democrats and she also out on the trail this weekend making her closing argument. key to that argument is that she is the practical candidate who can get things done who's been fighting for some of these issues for years, including health care. take a listen to what she had to say. >> you know, i love it when all these other folks, including my opponent in the primary, talks about taking on the interests. where were you? i mean really. we were fighting tooth and nail trying to get universal health care coverage passed. >> reporter: now, of course senator sanders would push back against the characterization that he is somehow late to that game. he would argue he's been fighting for universal health care for years in the senate. but tomorrow, steve, what will
we be looking for? we'll be looking for the margins. secretary clinton right now leading by double digits in the polls. if she wins by double digits, she could almost put this race out of reach because senator sanders would have to net more than 70% of all of the delegates moving forward in order to come back and clinch the naup natiom. he says he still has a shot. he's looking at upcoming states like pennsylvania, like oregon where he has a really good chance of winning and like delegate-rich california. he said if he can win some of those states he can come back ft pledged delegate lead. if he can't win here tomorrow, his chances are going to be really steep. steve. >> kristen welker on the hillary clinton beat, thanks for that. we're going to turn to the other campaign now, hillary clinton's opponent, bernie sanders. kasie hunt is in long island city, new york. kasie, kristen was laying out the reality of the delegate math for bernie sanders. he's exceeded everybody's expectations in this campaign. there are still states to come he could do very well in, but a
loss tomorrow in new york the way polls are suggesting, is this delegate race out of reach for him at that point? >> reporter: steve, good morning. it is certainly possible that we're going to see these delegates push farther and farther to the point where it may become very quickly mathematically impossible for senator sanders to overtake hillary clinton in the pledged delegate race but the sanders team, of course, is still bristling at the idea that he should get out of this race or this race is anywhere close to over. i think they would point you to the 28,000 plus people that showed up for him in prospect park for him yesterday in brooklyn, his largest crowd to date. i also think at this point the expectations for him are pretty low in new york. let's not forget that the expectations game is a big part of this. so if in fact he's able to keep the gap a little bit narrower than some public polling shows, that could ultimately work out well for him. but at the same time it looks as though the delegates are going to break largely for her.
senator sanders has been out there still making his case. he talked to matt and savannah on the "today" show earlier this morning about why he has so much appeal. >> we have a message that is resonating all over this country. we have enthusiasm, we have energy. people understand it's too late for establishment politics and economics. they want real change in this country. they want leadership to stand up to the billionaire class. that's what we are providing. >> reporter: so the challenge, of course, for hillary clinton coming out of this, even if she does ultimately, you know, put this away, make that pledged delegate lead insurmountable, she still has an enthusiasm gap with senator sanders. there are tens of thousands of particularly young people who are very drawn to his message. i think we've talked so much about how this populist energy is present on both sides of the country, is generally frustrated with the system as it stands. so i think we're going to have to look to see how senator sanders proceeds through this last month of the campaign, but
also how the clinton campaign, whether or not they're willing to 'embrace him and try to embrace many of his young supporters and whether or not it's possible for her to win them over. i think that's going to become a key part of the challenge going forward, steve. >> all right, kasie hunt in new york city on the bernie sanders beat. thanks for that. and coming up, we have some breaking news to tell you about from iraq. the secretary of defense announcing just moments ago that more u.s. troops are going to be sent to iraq. all of the breaking details from nbc's jim miklaszewski at the pentagon. we will have them for you, next. almost there. i can't reach it. if you have alligator arms, you avoid picking up the check. what? it's what you do. i got this. thanks, dennis! if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico.
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country. nbc's chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski joins me now with the latest. what are we talking about here, jim? >> well, steve, the numbers may not sound very compelling, but quite frankly it's who they are and what they will be doing, which is somewhat significant. secretary carter, while in baghdad today, announced that the u.s. would be sending 217 additional american forces there to train, advise and assist the iraqi forces in their fight against isis. but previously -- and that will bring the number to about 4100. now, 217. again, not a large number, but most of them will be special operations forces. and for the first time they will be allowed to operate at the brigade level. that's about as close to boots on the ground as you're going to get. they still will be advisers, but instead of being confined to the headquarters in baghdad and to training facilities, some of
those americans will now be able to deploy forward along with the iraqi forces. in addition, the iraqis have now agreed to allow the u.s. to bring in apache attack helicopters to assist the iraqis, particularly in their assault on mosul, to try to drive the isis forces out of that city with 2 million people. now, this is significant in that it will bring that kind of firepower closer to the battle and more accurate so that they can actually engage in combat operations in direct conjunction with the iraqi forces as they eventually move forward. now, this is not the wherewithal or solution to the problems that confront the iraqi military forces, but it is a start and u.s. military officials still fear that it could take well over a year, perhaps two more years before isis can finally be
driven out of mosul, steve. >> jim miklaszewski at the pentagon, thank you for that. we're going to learn a lot more about this breaking news in lester holt's exclusive interview with ash carter, the secretary of defense, from iraq. you can see that interview on nbc nightly news with lester holt. that will be tonight. now to other breaking news, this is the earthquake in ecuador. the death toll from that now stands up to 350 people. this nearly 36 hours since a 7.8 magnitude quake struck off the south american country's northwest coast. thousands more are injured. emergency teams are sifting through the rubble as we speak. ecuador's president has declared a state of emergency. he's mobilizing the armed forces to help search for survivors. after the break, returning to presidential politics. all eyes on new york as the candidates gear up for tomorrow's big primary here and for the three candidates who call the big apple home at one point or another in their lives,
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essentially against the implementation of what is called dopa and doca expanded. right now behind me thousands of people outside the supreme court, as you said, steve, as the arguments continue or just start to be heard right now by the eight justices. the folks that are for and against these executive orders will be heard today. it's expected to last about 90 minutes, but it could be expanded by a little bit more than that. steve, there are people who have spent the night here outside the supreme court and the churches that are nearby, people that i've met from california, from texas, from new mexico, that are here that want to be here to show their support or at least their opinion one way or another about the president's executive orders. steve, i go back to you, just a few minutes ago i was here waiting to speak with you. antonio campos from california came by and gave me this little book that he wrote. i want to give you a little idea of what it is they're thinking it's called wetta.
and he writes you call us wetbacks but we are human beings. we walk alone, sometimes surrounded by thousands of people that don't even know we exist. we will continue walking and walking, even if our soul hurts by being ignored or mistreated. we will continue walking until our time arrives and we are able to contribute. that is what the people up to 5 million people who will be benefitting from the president's executive orders on immigration feel. many of those are here today. but there are a lot of other people, steve, out here who disagree with the president's executive orders and say it's unconstitutional or he has overstepped his authority. they are here as well. that's what we're seeing outside the supreme court on a beautiful day in washington, d.c. >> it sure looks like it. jose diaz-balart outside the supreme court, thanks for that. coming up, will voters vote for their hometown favorites? that trip to where presidential
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chris, let's start with you. you're at one of clinton's favorite breakfast spots right now. tell us where you are. >> reporter: yeah,we're at lang's. welcome to lang's. they have a lot of signature sandwiches, make their turkey fresh and bill and hillary clinton are prone to get things that are healthy, chicken, the turkey, egg whites. you see the clintons around town? >> every now and then. >> reporter: you said not so much hillary now? >> she's a little busy. >> reporter: are you fans of the clintons. >> we follow their career very closely. >> reporter: and what do you think about having another potential president in your little town? >> well, the first time we met bill was in a coffee shop and i taught history so i wasn't terribly impress eed by what i heard about his ability to talk to people, and yet two seconds after i walked into the room, you could feel the electricity. >> he's got that something, you
think? >> very few people have that ability. >> did he teach you something about history? >> i don't think so. i taught the darn thing. but he's certainly a very important historical figure, particularly for this town. >> let me thank you for interrupting your coffee and good luck with your party to your wife. so obviously this is a place that the clintons know very well. it's a small town, about an hour north of new york city. and believe it or not in spite of the fact that they come -- hillary clinton wrote a little blog post about her favorite places to eat new york. this is what she considered to be her favorite in her hometown now of chappaqua, her adopted hometown. so i asked the owner now that she has put you on the map and said lang's is one of my favorite restaurants anywhere, should you name a sandwich after her. let's take a listen. >> what would be in a hillary clinton special? >> oh, boy.
i'd say a lot of meat. soli solid. >> reporter: a lot of meat and solid. the clintons moved here in 1999 when she decided to run for the senate. a lot of people called them carpet baggers then. but as you heard from our history friend, they made a lot of friends here. in fact talking to folks who were coming in for breakfast, most of them are hillary clinton supporters. i found one who was a bernie sanders backer, but he said don't -- you can tell people i said that but don't tell them my name, this is definitely clinton country. steve. >> well, i guess salad is a good thing for a politician. i'm not sure that's how i want my sandwich. i'll have to think about that one. chris jansing in chap wpaquchap. let's turn to cal perry. you are standing outside bernie sanders' high school right now. >> reporter: yeah. one of the things that his which i had childhood friends have
been telling us is that he was a track star. today just a bunch of high school kids peering out the window wishing they were outside. certainly bernie sanders hopes that the outcome is huge and people in this neighborhood say they're supporting him. again, the expectations are not too high. i had a question for one of his childhood friends about how bernie became an athlete in a place where there's not a lot of outdoor space, how he was able to play basketball throughout high school. take a listen. >> it seems like bernie grew up. this is city living. this is urban living. not a lot of places to play outside. >> not enough parks. there is no park in the immediate area. so what bernie would do is when he was in high school, he was the co-captain of the track team with bob rosenbush, who lived just across the street from the school. the two of them would sneak into the jewish community center, which was a few blocks away, and the place was empty. they had a great gym. he and bernie would shoot baskets. and you look for places where
you can play. you make do with a small space. you take the opportunities that are available. >> one of the moments that's become a bit of local lore was after the new hampshire primary, steve, bernie sanders sort of snuck back into that gymnasium and shot those baskets and a lot of people here in the neighborhood very proud of the fact that he made a lot of those baskets, saying that he's still very athletic, still running a campaign, not a young man anymore, but still out there on the trail. now it's a question of momentum. they keep bringing up those old athletic comparisons. this is a marathon, not a sprint. certainly the hope is that tomorrow that maybe, maybe bernie sanders can pull out some magic here from brooklyn, steve. >> cal, we had you on last hour. that high school, you were telling us last hour, chuck schumer also went to that high school. we found out ruth bader ginsburg.
former u.s. senator norm coleman went to that high school. and somebody else told me judge judy. >> reporter: judge judy, there you go. steve, the high school friend, said the interesting thing about this high school, a lot of people went on to great universities, great colleges, certainly the university of chicago, no knock there. he said during the great depression, so many of the teachers who ended up teaching at this high school couldn't find jobs. so you're talking about people with ph.d.s, engineering degrees coming here and teaching public school. maybe that is why the illustrious list of alumni. >> cal perry at james madison high school in brooklyn. thanks for that. let's go to jacob soboroff. are you finding a lot of trump fans around there? >> reporter: this is a spoiler but not so much, steve. i'm going to show you a little bit more about that in a second. we're at the intersection of midland parkway and hillside avenue. this subway stop, 179th street
station on the f train, which incidentally is 13 stops exactly from 30 rock where you are right now is where donald trump very well may have gotten on the subway right down here when this subway station opened in the 1950s. he grew up not far away from here, down the street in jamaica estates. you can see the monument erected and his father had a role in building this place. yesterday we showed up to mr. trump's childhood home right on the front steps to figure out if folks around here want to vote for the guy. take a look at what we founding. when you think of donald trump you think about giant skyscrape skyscrapers, not a house like this but it turns out trump grew up in this house when he was a kid in new york city. that's why we're out here in mr. trump's neighborhood to see what some of the folks out here think of his bid for present. >> what's your name? >> joseph. >> you grew up around here? >> yeah, i grew up in jamaica queens. >> so donald trump lived in this house right here. are you going to vote for him on tuesday? >> no.
>> definitely not? >> not al all. >> do you know who grew up in this neighborhood? >> besides myself? >> let me give you a clue, he's running for president. >> yeah, some would say donald trump grew up in jamaica esta s estates. >> how do you feel about that. he came from your neighborhood? >> well, i'm an assemblywoman, so i am not supporting donald trump. >> who are you supporting? >> i am supporting hillary clinton. >> who are your constituents. >> a lot of first generation immigrants. >> do you think he's got a shot out here on tuesday? >> no. >> jacob from msnbc. >> hi. >> you know donald trump grew up around the corner. >> yeah, he did. yeah, i know. >> are you going to vote for donald trump? >> hell no. >> hell no? >> hell no. >> if donald trump ever took the subway, this is most likely the subway he took. the f strain at 179th street station. can i ask you a quick question. do you live here in jamaica? >> yes. >> who are you going to vote
for? >> bernie. >> what about donald trump. he's from the neighborhood? >> he's a nice guy. >> do you know who grew up in this neighborhood? >> i know that maybe nicki minaj and 50 cent, stuff like that. >> nicki minaj and 50 cent, i didn't know that. >> maybe there is something more important, but i knew about them. >> it depends if you like american politics. donald trump? >> oh, i don't like him but i didn't know that he was from here. >> so you like nicki minaj and 50 cent better? >> yeah, i prefer nicki minaj and 50 cent better than donald trump for sure. >> reporter: it looks a lot different out here, steve, these days than it did when donald trump was growing up. a largely immigrant community so it's obvious based on trump's message why people feel the way they do. bayside, howard beach, all kinds of republican neighborhoods in this borough. donald trump is expected to clean up. back to you. >> well, wait a minute, jacob, i've just got to follow up on that last guy you talked to.
you know pop culture a little better than me. who is a bigger deal overall in pop culture, 50 cent or donald trump? >> reporter: oh, man. i'm going with 50. >> i'll go with that too because i have no had why. you're the expert. >> reporter: me either, me either. i can't believe i just said fitty. >> it's a matter of public record. cal, chris, jacob, that you all for joining us. take a look at this, the boston marathon up in my home state, this is a big day up there, patriots day they call it. you get the day off from school. the boston marathon is running live as we speak, a 26-mile run from hopkinton to boston. temperatures reaching into the mid-60s this afternoon. excellent running conditions for the big boston marathon. we'll be right back. real is making new friends.
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hillary clinton can win it by at least ten points. that could result in her picking up a net gain of 25 delegates. that could make it virtually impossible for bernie sanders to catch her in that pledged delegate category. if he lost by that kind of margin, he'd need to win 70% or more of the remaining delegates to get the nomination. those are the stakes. i'm joined by joel bennenson, a senior advisor with the clinton campaign. do you think you get a double-digit win tomorrow, this race is over? >> i think we've said for a long time we have a nearly insurmountable lead already. we're looking to win in new york. you pointed out the numbers, 20, 25 delegates added to our nearly insurmountable delegate lead is a mountain that just gets steeper and steeper because you also have increasing numbers of delegates coming off the playing field. so it just means senator sanders would have to keep winning a greater percentage of what's outstanding at numbers he hasn't been able to do in very many
states at all, pile up 57%, 58% of the delegates. >> what do you make of this, though? i take your point on the math but if you look at the map there are states out there he's likely to win. we had jeff merkley on and he's talking about oregon. there's some other states you can look at. a race where hillary clinton has the math working to her favor to this degree and democrats still seem to be saying they don't want it to end. >> well, a lot of the sanders people don't want it to end and i understand that. we went through this in 2008 when it was senator obama and secretary clinton. whether there are states out there or not, it doesn't matter. when you look at the wins senator sanders had after march 15th, he eroded our delegate lead but we're still standing with 220 plus delegates more than he has and that's a bigger number than barack obama had at any point against hillary clinton. so that gives you some sense of how difficult it is to make up delegates, particularly when there are -- i've always said april 26th is the goal line here. you've got five states there.
between tomorrow in new york, those states, 600 delegates will be apportioned. i think we'll pick up net delegates over that states and that takes 600 delegates off the map for him and it just gets harder to make up that amount. even with california at the end it's a huge amount to overcome. >> when you ask sanders and his campaign how they're going to pull it off, the word you always hear is momentum. look, we've won eight contests in a row, we're coming in with a head of steam. is momentum a real thing in politics? >> first of all, no, you have to keep winning delegates. the currency of the nomination is delegates. let's put in perspective what's happened. we have won authorize 2.3 million votes more than senator sanders. yes, he won a lot of caucus states in this stretch, i think seven out of eight were caucus states where fewer people participate. if you look at the states where more than 7% of eligible voters have participated, hillary clinton has won 17 of those 22 states.
and so when you go in with more than 2 million more votes than your next opponent, senator sanders in this case, winning more states and winning more pledged delegates, i think it's pretty clear where the momentum has been all the way through this race and enthusiasm, frankly. >> you make the point about caucuses and turnout is lower, participation is lower. this is something we heard in 2008 from the clinton campaign. barack obama was winning big in the caucuses. the clinton campaign was saying not as many people. is this something going forward you'd like the democratic party to get rid of these caucuses. >> here's a big difference with senator obama. senator obama had 17 million votes in the popular vote by the end of this process. senator sanders has 6 million right now. president obama, then senator obama, also won some primary states, significant ones. some of them were his home state like illinois. >> michigan, wisconsin, sanders has won some primaries here. >> no, they certainly have. but on the total number of people who have voted, hillary
clinton has over 9 million votes, 2.3 million more than senator sanders. she's won 57% of the vote. in politics that's called a landslide. so you can talk about momentum of the last seven states and there's no question he eroded our lead slightly, but we still go into tomorrow with a net of 220 delegates more than senator sanders. i think that's because she's been making a much stronger argument about which one of these two people will be a president who can get things done that can make a difference in people's lives. >> all right, thanks for the time. >> thank you, steve. we're going to head up to buffalo where bill clinton is scheduled to make a campaign stop for his wife this hour. it's also where donald trump is going to be holding his big election eve rally tonight. msnbc's tony is up there. what are you hearing? >> reporter: hey, the battle for upstate. that delegate battle is really playing out here where there's a dead heat between hillary
clinton and bernie sanders. i'm in the innovation center. this is hillary clinton's exhibit a in her case for the vote on tuesday. she brought funding here, she brought excitement here and millions of dollars and now jobs, jobs, jobs. buffalo is rebounding. young people are coming back, but they don't tend to vote for her in the numbers they vote for bernie sanders. this is matt, the ceo of the buffalo niagara medical campus. tell us what hillary clinton did to bring this into being. >> early on when we started the medical campus, she was one of the first people to be here, invest in the campus, but the best part about it is buffalo is on the rebound, as you mentioned. it's a great place to live, it's a great place to work and lots of jobs are starting to come our way for the youth but also for everybody in our community. >> thank you, matt. so hillary clinton a key part of buffalo's rebound and yet the young people who are coming here, they are not necessarily hillary voters. this is thea, a bike advocate with go bike buffalo. although you're working in a
building hillary clinton helped generate, you're voting for bernie sanders. >> i am. i appreciate everything hillary clinton has done not only for our economy but for our infrastructure here in buffalo. but at the end of the day i have to vote with my heard and ideologically i align with bernie. >> thank you, thea, and thank you, matt. unemployment is down, wages are up, home prices are up and it is a rosy picture. >> thanks for that. we'll be right back. it's more than a network.
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