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billionaire businessman profession professionalizing the power structure on the fly. a staff shake-up that could mean a more disciplined donald trump going into the final weeks of the campaign. >> for the democrats, tone has been the big theme for the past three weeks. friendly fire having a big impact on favorability, which could count for something come november. >> we're joined by the managing editors of bloomberg politics and co-hosts with all due respect -- >> how did we get them? >> they just show up. speaking of showing up, there is not a red sox game going on right now so mike barnicle is actually here and actually here here instead of watching the game during the show on his lap. >> that happened. >> it is so disturbing. >> no apologies. >> imagine if a girl did that. okay, get kicked out of school. >> it would be awesome if a girl did that. >> you guys were piling in on
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the trump vote. you experienced a quintessential new york moment. tell us about that. >> donald trump, jr. coming to vote -- >> he's a trump. >> he's a trump. >> we're waiting on east 56th street and there are all these photographers and hubbub and in comes danny glover. >> i didn't hear that part. >> danny glover! >> across the street. the communication workers of america loudly talking about verizon. >> what's he doing there? >> that's not the point. >> for me, that's the point. >> bernie sanders endorser. >> and he should be. >> the guy was so great in his movie. >> and stopped donald trump and asked him keep in mind the communication workers of america will be omnipresent. asked him about the campaign shake-up and who's in charge. listen. >> shake shake shake. shake your campaign. >> a lot of speculation in the press that staff changes being made on the campaign. what's your take on those?
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>> i think it's a natural evolution in the process. you have to adapt and start transitioning to the general. we have a really clear lead. it will be exciting and that transition is great. >> are the new people being brought in to take over? >> they're brought in to do specific tasks, right? it's a very tactical change and i think it will be very important for the campaign and evolution of the campaign going forward. >> who's running the campaign right now? corey or manafort? >> my father. >> that was the correct answer because it's the truth. absolute truth. >> i tweeted that dialogue and donald trump, jr. tweeted back at me, it's true, great team but there's one boss, exclamation point, because he's a trump. >> i'm saying, mike barnicle, anybody -- i don't know paul manafort. i've never met him. there's organization going there in and paul manafort, i'm sure he's doing well organizing this thing. corey's not in charge and
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manafort is not in charge. this is donald trump's show. he tells them what to do and they do it. apparently, right now, that whole team, whether there's a little internal friction or not, they're doing everything right. >> it was, is and always will be donald trump's show. >> yeah. >> that's the way he thought of it, dreamed it up for years in making 20, 25 years in the making, this is what we have. the question now is you can't tweet your way into a majority of the delegates. it takes real legwork, knowledge, door-to-door, canvassing, no longer canvassing but you have to grab them and put them in your column. >> even before trump wanted to make these changes, the people at the campaign including corey said we've got to get bigger. the question is are they getting bigger fast enough and are they doing it in the right way. >> i said they're doing everything right, they're doing everything right compared to two weeks ago they seemed to be doing everything wrong in wisconsin. corey lewandoski and the press loves to blow things up. corey lewandoski a month and a
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half ago was saying he needed help. he was there alone. >> right. >> so, yeah, i'mshire alway shu always because it's politics, sharp elbows. right now judging by what today will look like and the fact we were able to go another sunday without seeing him on all five sunday shows shows discipline. >> that's true. the point mark made the point when the history of this is written, the people to be looking back on is this move to professionalize and expand the circle came too late. there may be some strife and there may be -- nobody likes some big feet walking around that campaign. the real question whether this should have happened a month and a half ago when it became clear professionalism and growth required. if he ends up falling a few delegates short one day, somebody could have said if it
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had been a month earlier it would have been better. >> trump wouldn't have allowed it a month earlier because he was in fighting mode. he only allowed this, we talked to him this past year and a so, as this thing developed, he was never going to allow this to hap happen until he felt he was in the clear. nobody was going to tell him not to tweet and bloody up people politic politically. he would do what he wants to do. he now has breathing space with new york, pennsylvania, new jersey, connecticut, some other states, he can say, now, i can play peacemaker. >> what you said and pointed out, john, i can recall having a conversation in new hampshire with corey lewandoski, the em a emphasis of the conversation was this is great, he's riding high, different, people are looking at him as a different sort of candidate, i can recall corey telling me about the delegates he always knew the deal was going to be with the delegates.
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i don't know whether it was donald trump say pump the brakes on spending money to search for delegates, i don't know, but we're not here. >> let's be clear, trump is not in the clear. he will almost certainly win big tonight and has a favorable calendar coming up. it is still a mad dash and scramble to get him where he wants to be, which is a nominee on june 7th on june 8th, not a nominee in cleveland, and that will take not only big wins but fighting in the trenches for delegates and polls for every last vote. he won't make it by a lot if he makes it. he is on a sprint and in a better position to do it than two weeks ago. >> i think it's far more likely he makes 1237 than he does not. >> i still think what has happened is short of amazing especially given what we know. i can't remember the state, new hampshire, what was the night
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everyone accused us of being in..'shotel room watching the news come in? >> new hampshire. >> that was not true. we were stumbling around the hotel looking for a way to get an interview. we found a room with corey in it. >> amazing. >> these big tables. >> there was nobody in there. command control. >> one of them used to run country clubs or something. that was it. that was it. >> it was amazing. >> we sat down talking to him. here was corey. >> his phone was going crazy and we couldn't get an interview and why we left. and we ran into someone in the hall and why that came up. >> a lot of you guys have been around presidential campaigns j, never saw anything like it one of the most stunning stories in american politics this campaign got as far as it got through
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wisconsin. >> with one person. >> with corey and hope and a couple other people. >> you could never convince any this could happen. it's impossible. >> never. >> i will say right now, every disfunctional campaign is disfunctional in its own special way. there's a big question whether this is a disfunctional campaign right now, whether the new people coming in are making nice with the other people and get up to speed on the past. i don't know if they will. their skepticism. >> i'm sorry, your question is whether they can integrate and work together? >> whether a new campaign from a standing start can patch over the problems. i don't think it's much more likely he will get to majority, it is more likely but not watch. they're working with a candidate who is special, who has talents without a doubt. getting the delegates and ma mastering the rules, it's not going to be easy. they're going from a standing start. >> you watch the power of the headlines of this massive new
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york landslide. you watch the power of the landslide in pennsylvania, connect, across the northeast. i've said it for some time, if you want to stop a front-runner, stop them when they're leaving south carolina. i will tell you there is a cumulative impact, like you're going down the hill and the hill gets steeper and the everything starts going faster. ted cruz and if ted cruz fini finishes in third place tonight, i'm sorry, his entire argument goes up in smoke. >> i don't disagree with you on that. i have a question about the trump campaign. it has to do with the lack of their ability or lack of will g willingness to go after delegate selection process. was it ego? was it a relatively to spend money? >> he just wasn't going to bo bother with it. >> keep going, you're doing well, getting it all. >> also some degree of
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ignorance, i think. >> just the belief they didn't need to, they could just win popular vote victories, it would be enough. you're absolutely right about potential of the northeast victo victories, i don't know the people in indiana will care. >> indiana is not going to stop donald trump any more than wisconsin will stop donald trump. you said it a couple weeks ago, i agree completely. he will do great in the northeast. indiana might be a split, it all comes down to california. right now sitting at 49% the latest cnbc poll. if these -- cbs poll. if these massive victories gives him more wind at his back, that's great. it comes down to california. that's where you're talking about a deft touch, you say, these are the districts we need to work in and these are the
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districts we don't need to work in. we can pick up three easy in nancy's district but this is what you have to do to get them. >> you can be at 54% and doesn't mean you're going to win all the media markets and different congressional districts and what you are anthropology at in california does not matter as much as what you're polling at in 53 different places in california. >> let's go to the polls. chris jansing is at a polling place at 127th street in harlem, just blocked away from where bill clinton opened miss first office in 2001. what are you hearing from voters there? >> that is true. this is definitely clinton country. it is however also at least talking to voters, a little bit of bernie question. what's no question, this is a democratic area. you can see behind me, we have four rows of tables here, four more behind, eight different election districts, already almost 1200 people have voted.
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it has been steady to busy all day long. mostly gone smoothly. a few people with questions raised, one, a young guy named ian, who came here and found out he couldn't vote because he had changed his address. here's what happened. here's how he described to it me. >> they're supposed to have me in the books and if they do not they give you the option of affidavit or court order. they don't specify court order. if you file a court order they will have to accept your vote. >> reporter: you went to get a court order because you were not on the voter rolls? >> correct. >> reporter: it's that important to you. >> absolutely. >> reporter: why? >> the future is in our hands. this is what matters. one vote, one count. >> reporter: so he's a guy who felt very strongly about voting for bernie sanders. there's sort of a common theme i've heard talking to so many voters it's really they feel very passionate about this why you're seeing this heavy
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turnout. again, this is not just a place bill clinton opened and office and led a renaissance. he does still have his post presidential office even though the clinton foundation moved to midtown and still be here until 2020. it's a place hillary clinton has come repeatedly and campaigned, has many of the main political figu figures. i had a couple of major national democrats talk to me today. they were curious what was happening here. they're looking at the margins between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. will it be a double digit win for her? will it instead be much closer than the polls would indicate? they are looking to be able to beef up their argument that it is time, if not for bernie sanders to get out of the race, he's indicated he won't, but back off, they would have a bigger argument for him to back off on some of the tougher things he's been saying about her and they worry would be damaging in the long run. back to you guys. >> chris jansing, thank you very
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much. >> what are we looking for tonight? mark halperin. >> if bernie sanders can as he did in michigan really over-perform the public polling and get close, he can try to rally. there's too many delegates here and puts them a step closer. >> it's a lot of delegates and if it's a close race they end up splitting the delegates. if you're 200 behind in pledged delegates where bernie sanders is, splitting the delegates, whether you win by 1% or lose by 6%, doesn't help you very much. you have to pick up 200. >> i will say, mike barnicle, if she loses yet another, loses her home state, that's scar tissue that sticks to the campaign going into the general election. i don't think she will, but it's not just about math for them, the clinton campaign does not want to lose yet another primary. >> i seriously doubt she will lose her home state.
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i think the biggest story tomorrow is going to be if bernie outperforms what everybody think he will come in at, if he outperforms by one vote, that's going to be the story. >> 10 blocks apart tonight a clinton speech and a trump speech right around this neighborhood. watching how they face off against each other will be a big deal because of the spotlight. >> i think the really big story, at least in this first block, they saw danny glover. >> whatever. >> what's danny glover's best new york performance. >> i asked him once in south carolina which of the three lethal weapons he liked best? he said the one that took place in south africa, that was his favorite. >> what's your favorite danny glover role? "silverado." >> "silverado," pretty good, a little obscure. >> what about you? ? i'm a classicist, i like the whole "lethal weapon" franchise. >> "lethal weapon 1."
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tenanbaums" was great. >> do you know our special coverage begins in -- all in, chris hayes. what story lines are you looking at today? >> i think what you guys are talking about that first block in terms of where the anticip e anticipated results will be, i think you're totally right we have a tendency to underestimate the destiny that is demographics and growing wheography when tru out of here big. one of the story lines underneath the candidacies, has been a stress test for the primary system in the way 2000 was a stress test for general election system. when the race gets close, the
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rules come where we make decisions starts to manifest with folks. in new york the deadline to register for the primary and deadline six months ago and a lot of frustration with the general ways delegate selection process is happening on the republican side. they run these as if they were homeowners association or kiwanis clubs. nothing more than an association. yet everybody feels they have a democratic purchase in those outco outcomes. we're seeing a real intense tension between these two the longer the two intense competitions drag on. >> that makes sense. thank you very much. going to the chalkboard just ahead for the kids, or in this case, the graphics. >> what chris is saying is what you've been saying a few days now, as we played this out, both parties are looking at their systems with superdelegates or
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delegate allocation in the selection process, it doesn't make that much sense whether you call it a rigged system of weighted system or screwy system, we have to change these systems going forward wildfire we wa going forward if we want to have a more transparent for doing int the future. >> the fact the republican establish is mocking donald trump for not knowing winning an election in louisiana by popular vote translates into winning delegates in that state is ridiculous. the joke is not on donald trump, the joke is on this republican establish that's being overthrown. pat buchanan's pitchfork brigade from 1992 to '96, they're here and they've taken over the party. the party is not happy about it. they better adjust fast or they will lose half their party. >> the republican establish ought to be worrying about the
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fact the people that went to the polls in laouisiana to vote fora candidate and vote for donald trump and find out, geez, my vote didn't count, that will rebound on the establish and process itself because the system used multiple adjectives to try and describe it. it's beyond bizarre. >> i think democrats, at least with hillary clinton there, seems to me democrats are far more comfortable with a rigged system than are republicans, if what happened in iowa and the democratic party where we still don't really know whether bernie won that or not. it looks like the iowa democratic party rigged that as well. republicans are just too hon honorary, they wouldn't have put up with it, the pitchforks would have come out. debbie wasserman-schultz, that wouldn't have been allowed in the republican party. democrats seem more comfortable with an orderly process, where you rig the process, doesn't
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matter who wins the process in wyoming, it's rigged. >> because the democratic establish like the person running the quote-unquote rigged system. the closest thing we have to this is what happened in florida in a recount. the rules matter so does the spin count. trump wants to try to do better against hillary clinton head to head so if he does have to fight it out in cleveland he has a lot of talking points. >> when you write your books for this campaign, the last two weeks- >> what's it called? >> -- have been absolutely masterful for donald trump. you're getting ready to trounce everybody at the ballot box, you spend two weeks leading up to that talking how rigged the system is, you get them coming and going. it's like bobby knight having an undefeated indiana teampitch -- bitching and mooni imoaning
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from polls in new york and we see the president boarding air force one to saudi arabia, with the lawsuit issue of contention between the u.s. and saudi arabia. the president departs for saudi arabia. we are right now 90 minutes away from the first exit polls and chuck todd will have that for you at 5:00 p.m. eastern time on msnbc. steve kornacki at 6:00 and stchs matthews at 7:00. >> and we have lawrence o'donnell to join the table. and on that day you will walk into a room where 15 people will be waiting... 12 behind the sofa, 2 behind the table and 1 and a half behind a curtain. family: surprise!
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>> you see donald trump scoring a big victory tonight. i am not endorsing donald trump. i voted by absentee ballot for john kasich and not endorsing him but voted to send a message. that was peter king. >> he missed the cyanide part. >> i felt bad for him. >> you don't have to do it again. >> i felt bad. >> this morning you -- >> i said some things i shouldn't have said. >> that was rude. >> it was. it was a step whatever, i was talking about -- it's going to do much worse than what barry goldwater was. we go to our high school science teacher. >> he's such a nice guy. >> he's a nice guy. did you get your high school assignment done? >> i'm late. >> it doesn't matter even if you didn't do your assignment. >> we go to stevekornacki. >> no sweater.
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i'm not a high school teacher. >> actually, i was going to ask you why you're wearing a tie. i'm wearing a tie. >> this is it, i saw you wearing it, i guess i will really be in trouble if i put on a sweater on for this one. here we go. the oadministration seemed to want this today, so -- >> my my my. what are you looking at with today's contest. >> you guys have been talking about it. the qui, can donald trump hit 1237, the math forward. this is where the delegate math works. this is where donald trump doesn't need all the delegates, he can win it in the primaries. this is new york not shaded in but voting right now. you have this now, we're going with conservative smats, estim would be sitting with 894,
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delaware looks good, rhode island and connecticut and let's say he gets 100 out of those, sitting at 941 the end of the month. indiana the start of may, let's say he loses indiana, that would put him at 950. west virginia looks really good for him. nebraska, winner take all, doesn't look good. decent nights in washington and oregon, you put those together, he could be sitting at 1016 conservatively the end of the month. what looks good for him the last day, winner take all new jersey. new mexico. and california and three for every congressional district. if you got 120 out of california, a rough estimate, 12 out of new mexico and 51 out of new jersey, he'd be sitting at 1199, you say he's short. we have the open convention. here's the thing. 17 in pennsylvania, that real number is 71. there are 54 unbound delegates
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in pennsylvania. right now, the majority of candidates running to be unbound delegates in pennsylvania are saying publicly on the record they will go with whatever candidate wins their state. donald trump is leading pennsylvania by more than 20 points right now. he could easily get the lion's share and put him over 1237, a win in indiana could put him over 1237. a win in the northeast, there are pathways. >> obviously tomorrow, he could do something in an interview that would blunt any momentum. let's say we keep going at the rate we're going right now, do you find, crunching the numbers, he rolls through the northeast, let's say the polls stay pretty consistent where they are right now, do you think it is more likely than not he gets to 1237? >> yes. much more likely. i'll go one step further. if he wins indiana, i think it's very likely at that point he gets there. here's the other thing. if kasich finishes second
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tonight and second ahead of cruz next week, i think it gives kasich enough life he can play spoiler in indiana and deprive cruz of the one-on-one shot he wants in that state. kasich could get enough life to take enough votes from cruz in indiana and that's a 40 delegate swing. we will be back with a special edition of "arch joafte joe. i'm only in my 60's. i've got a nice long life ahead.
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wat watching. and the world has a headquarters opportunity to see how the poor lives in public housing. it speaks to the message of inequality uniting many of the presidential candidates. public housing is ground zero for inequality. >> that was lawrence olawrence e o'donnell last week visiting public housing and since then, both democratic candidates have visited public housing. it looks like, i don't know if they were inspired but hillary clinton's -- >> here's the history of it. this tenants group along with a couple city council members write a letter in february to the presidential candidate, please, when you come to the presidential primary, please come visit public housing no one was talking about in the campaign. a week before the primary, none of them have responded, they send another letter, no
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response, zero, nothing, i find out about it, i say, i'll go. i go and i do the tour that they wanted to present to the presidential candidates, we then put that on the show and -- >> what happened? >> not long after that, hillary clinton found herself changing her schedule on friday going to public housing project. bernie sanders comes back from rome and puts public housing on the schedule for sunday and then goes back to another one on monday with richie torres, richie is the youngest councilmember in new york, he's 28 years old. i never met barack obama when he was a community organizer in chicago but i feel like i met new york's version of it in richie torres. >> really? >> his depth of knowledge, he grew up in public housing, the head of a committee on the city council on public housing. his act to describe this world beyond rent structures and
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subsidy levels and government support it needs is really something. this guy is really who you want in city government. >> so which democratic candidate do you think would be most connected to what he wants, what the people he represents want? can hillary clinton understand what his constituents are going through, with the type of life that she's lived? can bernie sanders understand, being a vermont guy. >> yeah. i really do -- i do think it's a tie. it's worth noting that hillary clinton, senator from new york, never visited public housing in her years as a senator from new york. >> really? >> the new york city public housing authority is the largest public housing authority in america. >> wow. >> and she's got more than a
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half a million people living in it, an awful lot of voters. let me knot try to single her out there. i would love to do a poll of the united states senate. it would not shock me if you found more than three who'd ever been in public housing in their entire senate careers. it's not a common thing to take an interest in this. it's that area we've kind of left to the side. what they do talk about a lot is affordable housing, you hear it all the time. it's things like help with mr s mortga mortgages, wow, that's an economic level way above life in public housing, rent subsidies, things like that. that's a different area of ho e housing. >> mark. >> it's all part and parcel of the flowover drive-by culture epidemic in this country. people drive by public housing projects in nearly every city in
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america and people fly over them. they have no sense of what live is like. the only time it comes to awa awareness, a homicide, a cop shoots a kid in a stairwell, a horribly abusive case that appears in the front page of the newspapers and that is the frame of reference most people have. >> in new york city, you have to drive around them, they are everywhere. there is no upper eastside that doesn't have them and no neighborhood that doesn't have them. fascinating to me. i hadn't thought about it. i thought, this invitation has been ignored. wait a minute, when was the last time i said anything about public housing and anybody talked about it. >> what about republicans? zero. donald trump doesn't know it's a federal program. >> come on! >> it's not their area of interest. >> steve cokocorkornacki, turni tonight we talked about what the republicans look like moving
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forward. let's talk about the democratic map across new york state, what are you going to be looking at earlier to figure out whether this is a blowout for hillary or a lot closer than public polls are suggesting. >> new york city, half the vote in this entire state comes out of new york city, more than 60% if you take rhode island and west chester. in the polls, bernie sanders stands to get blown out in new york city right now. are we seeing a tighter margin coming out of new york city than we're expecting. >> does bernie know what we're expecting? >> yes. we've seen polls that show him upstate bigger geographically a lot smaller population-wise is where he's doing well. if he gets this into single digits in new york city, it could be interesting. a lot of people look back a couple years ago, andrew cuomo was in the primary and geographically his opponent did well. what saved co-me was new york city and lost a lot of the rest
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of the state. >> do you know which numbers come in first? does new york report fairly quickly? >> i'm not sure of the numbers. we will have exit polls at 5:00 and exit polls are skewed towards new york city. when you get the democratic numbers early, be careful. >> thank you very much. >> see you all night tonight. >> in your tie. >> that's right. >> up next, you have been mandated to wear a tie. >> whose tie is it? >> who told you to wear it? >> is it? what's that? >> who made you wear it? >> it was my idea. >> the administration. >> the administration. coming up next, oscar film winning producer and clinton supporter, harvey weinstein joins the conversation. harvey will be here when we come back. pain, so you don't have to stop. because you believe in go.
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>> you look at it yourself and think that's an obscene amount of money? >> yes. i think it's an obscene amount of money. i think -- you know, we had some protesters last night when we pulled up in san francisco, and they're right to protest. they're right, it's an obscene amount of money. when the sanders campaign talks about it, they're absolutely right, ridiculous that we should have that amount of money in politics, completely. >> that was george clooney over the weekend, talking about the embarrassing amount of money that gets raised. interesting. but harvey is here. and you are supporting hillary clinton as well. >> i've raised money and i think the whole thing about money, like hillary promised, they'll get rid of citizens brigade, that caused everything. for the democrats, they have to
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show that they have some muscle. if they don't show they have the muscle, these guys are going to out-spend them anyhow. so at least in that fort, the cavalry can hold off. >> so why are you for hillary over bernie? >> my daughter has crystallized it. she's 18 years old and all of her girlfriends were for bernie. she's even for the new england patriots, which i can't stand. if only robert kraft adopted her, he's doing well. she said to me, when bernie said hillary wasn't qualified, they took that a little sexist, just like, how could the secretary of state, 103 countries that she visited, two-time senator, first lady, civil rights lawyer, not be qualified. you can say he's not right for the job, so then all of a sudden
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i'm getting the e-mails. when your kids become sherlock holmes, why didn't he turn in his taxes, what happened with the 1990 election where he won after he lost because the nra went against the other candidate. these guys, i'm getting information and they send me paul krugman's article and bernie's numbers don't add up. >> it's a lot of reasons. >> the daily news, his positions are fantacist. that was a tipping point for a lot of new yorkers and i think that's why he's not having momentum. >> harvey's daughter mentioned the ripple effect that i've picked up from several different people over the past several weeks that bernie's continuous and sometimes unhinged assault on hillary clinton has, i think, gotten a lot of women to react in the opposite manner than bernie sought, and now they're
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going back to hillary clinton. >> yeah, on the women's issue. as a young, 18, first-time voter, but my daughter emma was free school, free lunch, i don't have to talk to dad, i don't have to pay those student loans back. i said, don't worry that i'm in the 85% tax bracket. >> as you say, dad can take care of it. >> but in last night's nbc news poll that comes out after everything you've just discussed, bernie sanders closes the gap to a statistical tie nationally. and the nation's been paying attention to all of these things. >> and he does okay against trump in polls? >> oh, bernie polls way ahead -- much stronger than hillary does against all the republicans. >> i think you might see that nationally, but nobody's paying more attention than in new york. when you see the daily times endorse her -- >> but he had 28,000 people. where did they come from? another state? >> when i was a kid, i worked
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for tim russert. when they were in buffalo, the chairman would get the old mayor and the way they would get an audience, throw a bomb in the middle of the street, 10,000 people would rush out going, oh, my god, it's a bomb, and then he would get on a soap box and say, i'm frank sad ida, vote for me for mayor. >> it's a bright idea. >> if i had katy perry who hospitals hillary and did aer l rally in brooklyn, i'll get 39,000. >> what about without katy perry? >> i don't know who bernie had. >> just bernie, right? >> i don't think so. >> he had some bands there. sometimes he has vampire weekend. he's got a little -- >> he draws a crowd. >> i ask a question about hollywood money. if you look at hollywood as a special pleader in their contributions, what does hollywood want from politicians when they give money? >> usually and that's not always
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the case, but hollywood is liberal. and i think that hollywood wants somebody to care about the country, care about the middle class. i think the people who have made it in hollywood usually don't come from very aristocratic beginnings. there's a definite inequality. i grew up in a rental-controlled apartment, and george clooney, you know, it's not great wealth that we're dealing with in hollywood. so i think they want to protect the ideals of the country. >> okay, harvey, thank you very much. >> thanks so much. i didn't even get to promote my movies. >> oh, dear god! [ laughter ] >> still ahead -- >> hallie jackson covering trump and cruz respectively. also coming up, we'll be joined by the first lady of new york city. >> what movie do i need to see?
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♪ ♪ >> welcome back to a special edition of "afternoon joe" on primary day in new york. it's 4:00 on the east coast, which means, we'll get to our first round of exit polling data in just one hour from now and almost as important as who wins today is by how much. a bigger margin of victory for hillary clinton would mean more proportional delegates and greater momentum heading into the final stretch. and donald trump can sweep new york's 95 republican delegates if he can get above 50%, both statewide and in each congressional district. we are here with mike barnacle, attorney, republican strategist ben

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