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hillary! hillary! >> today you proved once again, there's no place like home. >> we love new york. we love new york. we're going to celebrate for about two hours. then early in the morning i get up and we begin working again. >> tonight, a little less than a year later, the race for the democratic nomination is in the homestretch and victory is in sight. >> new york belongs to donald trump and hillary clinton, the presidential front-runners. locked down, big wins last night that could set the tone for a final sprint to the general election. he's running right out of the studio. first on the republican side, the clock has barely struck nine when the nbc decision desk called it, quote, a significant
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win for the real estate giant and first time politician, which you have to step back and look at that. >> this guy has been in this business for less than a year right now. >> donald trump crushed his opponents by winning 61% of the vote. john kasich beats ted cruz by 10 points for second place. that means trump walks away with overwhelming majority of the state's 95 delegates and steps even closer to the 1237 needed to clinch the nomination. look at this. >> willie geist. >> the post endorsed, a long way from don voyage. >> i'm sure it's framed in trump's office. >> a gold frame. >> exactly. the polls seemed possible, clear average was 34 points. he said it's not doing to be 34 points. it was 36 points actually.
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he won across demographics. as he has so often with whites, no college degree but also with a college degree of the demographics when you go through were staggering. >> you went from congressional district by congressional district, mika, you look at a fact a guy two weeks ago many pundits declaring his death, making the stupid conclusion as they have every week for nine months now. this is when donald trump loses. >> i think another conclusion that was made and my i think extinct that it was wrong that he would do terribly for women, he's bad for women. >> he certainly didn't do terribly for women here. on the other side, we'll get to all of the results, on the other side, hillary clinton, your suspicions yesterday i think
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actually were true, bernie sanders coming on too strong against hillary clinton in new york may have had a negative impact. hillary clinton also scoring a massive victory. >> 61%, 39% among women for secretary clinton over bernie sanders. trump, one of the remarkable things to me, watching him last night, the new additions to his team made an impact to donald trump. he was a saiin sync to the poin taking 15 minutes to say hello, succinct on the stage. >> called senator cruz. >> no steak sold, no vodka sold, no home shopping channel, very traditional. >> very traditional.
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a guy who said the thing he's learned about donald trump through the years, he's a really, really quick learner, fasters learner he knows. a guy rudy gilani endorsed him yesterday. >> the two of them, you think what happened, both of them lost significant losses. >> talking about hillary. >> what happened over the course of the last two weeks. they both came out of wisconsin, both suffered real and significant losses there. they were lucky in the scene they were both coming home. they both campaigned over the course of this two weeks. they both were really, really great new york candidates. they understood media dynamics. they were in the street, all over the state. they took advantage of home field in a really impressive way. they really got this state, which is how it should be. you watch them, very, very solid. they ran new york campaigns as new yorkers. >> hillary clinton has been in politics for about 40 years. donald trump has been in politics for one year. both of them had the best two
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political weeks of their lives. >> they did. >> not a close call. both of them did great. >> as you can see we have mike barnicle with us, news correspondent halle jackson. in washington, columnist washington examiner kristen anderson. good to have you on board. let's put all the jelly beans back in the jar and start over again and lay thins out for people. >> jelly beans. >> he didn't say senator -- he didn't say lying ted. new york was donald trump's first majority win for voters he says know him best. new york republican primary voters said bringing change was most important to them followed by sharing their values and telling it like it is. trump showed strength among working class voters taking 65% of those without a college education. >> look at that, 65% no college degree. >> he also won a majority of
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voters with a college degree, a group he has struggled with some places or some think he does. despite recent polling suggesting deep rooted problems, trump won resoundingly among women with 57%. yesterday's vote gave trump a verse boost in his delegate margin adding 88 so far, making his lead over ted cruz 844-559. trump took to the podium last night to sinatra's "new york new york" and said he's impossible to catch in the delegate race. >> we don't have much of a race anymore. based on what i've seen on television, senator cruz is just about mathematically eliminated. we have won millions of more votes than senator cruz, millions and millions of more votes than governor case john k.
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we've done more than senator krez. we'll really, really rockin'. it's really nice to win the delegates with the votes. it's really nice. we'll be going into the convention, no matter what happens, and i think we're going to go in so strong. over the next number of weeks, we just saw a poll come out of california, which is an unbelievable poll. we're going to go into the convention, i think, as the winner. but nobody can take an election away with the way they are doing it in the republican party. i have great, great admiration and praise for the city of new york and state of new york. i can think of nowhere that i would rather have this victory. >> wow. >> that's a very different --
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>> clearly. >> clearly different. now he's going to be able to run this type of campaign. john heilemann, again, going to a calendar that suits him. he's been beating everybody in their own turf. now he's home. he's got a disciplined approach. next week, most likely, is going to be just as strong as this week. >> the question will be whether he can maintain the different tone. there's a level of discipline he's shown over the last weeks. we don't know whether he will or not but this is no reason why he shouldn't. what's great for him coming out of this huge victory here, he now a week from now, rhode island, connecticut, pennsylvania, all states he's leading by substantial margin in the polls. he should be able to get a big bump out of those races tuesday. things get trickier down the line. as we talked yesterday on "afternoon joe" to get there he has to perform extraordinarily well from now until june 7th.
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last night was the beginning of what could end up getting him -- there's a path to get to 1237. if he has that big week next tuesday and continues to perform in a strong way. >> willie, always great night for him because ted cruz, his superhero nemesis. >> we'll get to that. halle is here. >> was done in by new yorkers. third place. it really undercuts his argument that he's the only guy that can beat donald trump. he can't even by john kasich. >> what's ted cruz doing in the race. we're the ones competing. ted cruz would say new york is not his kind of state. back to the exit polls. nbc exit polls shows new york primary voters say the party should nominate the candidate with the most votes in the primaries if no one wins a majority in the convention. 68% say even if he doesn't get the majority trump should be the guy. supporters split on the question
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of whether trump is energizing or dividing the party. that number tied at 48. among republicans that did not vote for trump in new york, 75% say he is dividing the party. >> you mentioned senator ted cruz. he finished a dismal third, tormented everywhere he went about comments about new york values. his campaign hoped to pick up a couple delegates. as of this moment he has been blanked. a whopping 47% of republican voters say they would not vote for him at all if he were to eventually become the nominee. did no one see this coming? i'm just curious. >> ted cruz took a cheap shot in a debate. i guess he didn't think new york, the second biggest state in the union, was going to be relevant. it ended up costing him badly. it came at a horrible time. >> bad timing. >> it really undercuts his narrative. it's going to most likely impact
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him going into states next week. >> cruz hadn't campaigned for days. last night he spoke in philadelphia choosing an interesting comparison as he addressed a small crowd. >> i'm so excited to share with you what america has learned over the past few months. it has nothing to do with a politician winning his home state tonight. we have learned that america is as a point of choosing. the people in state after state have made it clear. they cry out for a new path. this is the year of the outsider. i'm an outsider. bernie sanders is an outsider. both with the same diagnosis but both with very different paths to healing. millions of americans have chosen one of these outsiders. our campaigns don't find our fuel in bundlers and special interests but rather directly
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from the people. >> i was that was rehearsal. i don't know if anybody was there. >> he was just prepping. >> he did say he had a lot in common with bernie sanders. one thing he didn't mention they were both trounced last night but campaigns that are unlikely. >> people like bernie sanders. >> i do like bernie sanders. >> i was going say quickly, it's a parallel universe where donald trump is not the outsider, reality host and businessman. ted cruz and bernie sanders are sitting senator and -- >> it's not reality, it's what he's saying. >> this is a guy who went to princeton, harvard. >> harvard law. >> his wife works at goldman sachs. he worked at the bush administration of he was in the solicitor general's office. he worked on the bush campaign. wasn't he the texas attorney general? he was a texas united states senator. he's now presidential candidate.
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and the only one on the republican side that holds office in washington, d.c., and he's the outsider? >> with that resume, he's obviously a renegade. >> hallie jackson can he paint himself as an outsider. >> here is his strategy. he wants to say he's an outsider but he's working the rules of insider, delegate strategy, delegate hunting to go into a contested convention. what he's doing is trying to combat donald trump's message that the system is messed up, rigged. that's an easy message for people to understand. cruz has to explain, well, the rules are the rules. if you get x amount, et cetera, that can be a more difficult or complicated message to understand. people may sometimes hear that, that's the establishment message, insider message. i got appear note about that speech. brand-new. we haven't heard any of that before. basic le he used barack obama, talk about interesting comparisons, used president obama's yes, we can and switched it and said, yes, we will.
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that's become his rallying cry moving forward. this speech was inspirational, tried to hit notes of optimism, very different from the world on fire message he had been putting out maybe a month ago. he's clearly trying to pivot towards more of a general election message. we'll see if it resonates with voters. >> let me ask you, what was the mood like around the cruz camp when they knew this thrashing was coming. >> admitting they were going to get shut out essentially. i spoke with a campaign aide, results came in. they said, hey, we get it. you've got to take the -- this is not an exact quote but the butt whooping that was to come. they are bracing for a rough seven days, eight days narrative wise, momentum wise. they understand they are biding their time, as one aide told me, until they get to western states they think are more favorable. look where we're headed to tuesday. connecticut, long island, delaware, these are not places seen as a natural fit for ted
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cruz and not an expectation they will pick up delegates. in pennsylvania even if he comes in third, they are thinking he'll get a couple dozen there, maybe 6 out of maryland. so they are hoping to fix up a handful on tuesday but really focusing on indiana may 3rd. it's where he's headed to adventure a stop in hershey this morning. >> the stop trump organization, loosely obvious lyre patched together, obviously had a bad night, what's next for them? do they throw up the white flag or are there till people that think they have a shot at stopping donald trump. >> i don't think so. i don't think last night fundamentally changes a lot. if you were already looking at the polls you were expecting a donald trump blowout, the same way ted cruz knows next tuesday will be ugly for them as well. that stuff is priced into expectations. what you'll probably see is some
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of these never trump folks figure out, a, how do you help cruz pick-off delegates in places like pennsylvania or move onto next states, places like indiana tham be much more favorable turf for ted cruz. at this point while it's still possible for donald trump to get to 1237, i don't believe it's possible to get there before june 7th. even though last night was a really big victory for donald trump, i don't know that it changes anything. i don't know that it means ted cruz i think somebody said on life support. this is what we always knew would happen. it's come to fruition. >> i'm hearing totally two different stories. >> he came in third place in important states. >> ted cruz has been in third place in the polls in new york for a while. i guess what i'm trying to say, we've known this was going to be ugly for cruz. we've known that the northeast is going to be really tough for him. in terms of the delegate math, that's priced into the expectations of can donald trump make it to 1237 or not.
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certainly good night for donald trump, can't take that away for him. but in terms of changing momentum or hurting cruz campaign's momentum, i don't think his strategy intended for him to get a bunch of delegates out of this week or next week either. >> he's mostly going to get pounded next week as well. is ted cruz's strategy i'm going to do well in indiana and nebraska but lose states like california, pennsylvania, new york, et cetera. >> the strategy isn't to lose but pick up some delegates there. california is where it practically gets interesting. you have congressional district by congressional district allocation. in new york cruz toyed with the strategy as well. south bronx, let me see if i can pick up delegates in places there aren't republicans. a ground game can help me money ball the situation. it didn't work. that comes into question. can he on june 7th in california use that strategy to try to pick
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up delegates if trump does wind up being further ahead. >> the game is pretty clear here. kristen is right, to get there it has to go to june 7th. no way before then. cruz has states like indiana. particularly three winner take all states in the mountain west, montana, south dakota, nebraska, he can win all those states. that's a problem. cruz could win all those. could win indiana. unclear what happens there. don't know what the dynamic will be over the next weeks. if cruz does those things after trump has a good tuesday, you end up getting to california, where we talked about yesterday there's 53 separate elections. there are districts there very strong for kasich. some districts in orange county good cruz districts. is there a way to cobble together just enough delegates to keep trump just short of 1237. yeah, there's a way for that to
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happen. there's no way for cruz to overtake trump. there's a way cruz puts it all together, strategically wins the states he can win, wins the congressional districts he can win, picks up a few delegates here and there, they might be able to keep trump below 1237. that's the drama of the next month and a half. >> hallie, is that the drama? >> reporter: the new number for them is 1200. there's a sense if they can keep donald trump under 1200, the further below the better, they will have a shot at contested convention. they want cruz count if they keep it within several hundred, make the argument headed into contested convention pointing to historical precedent people should after a first ballot, if they can stop trump on first ballot, pledge allegiance to cruz on second ballot. that's the crux of the argument. hinges, pinning hopes on going to cleveland, that's why they are focused on delegate hunting strategy now.
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>> hallie jackson, thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe," much more on results from new york primary. nbc political director chuck todd at the table. plus former governor granholm on hillary clinton's night. eugene robinson and tom brock haw join the conversation. we'll be right back. if you have allergy congestion muddling through your morning is nothing new. introducing rhinocort® allergy spray from the makers of zyrtec®.
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. all right. let's turn to democrats. hillary clinton's 16 point victory over bernie sanders. factor in superdelegates hillary clinton picked up 177 delegates in her adopted home state while senator sanders picked up 105. clinton is now just under 80% of the way to the magic number needed to clinch the nomination. shortly after new york was called in her favor last night, she proclaimed the democratic primary race is nearing it's end and victory is in sight. >> today you prove once again, there's no place like home.
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you know, in this campaign, we've won in every region of the count country. from the north to the south to the east to the west. but this one is personal. and to all the people that supported senator sanders, i believe there is much more that unites us than divides us. we started this race not far from here on roosevelt island. and tonight, a little less than a year later, the race for the democratic nomination is in the homestretch and victory is in sight. donald trump and ted cruz are
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pushing a vision for america that's divisive and frankly dangerous, promising to round up millions of immigrants, threatening to ban all muslims from entering the country, planning to treat american muslims like criminals. these things go against everything america stands for. >> okay. >> let's talk about hillary for a second there. we mentioned it yesterday afternoon over the past couple of weeks and especially the last week. she has been in mid season form. she's been her most relaxed, most at ease. >> happy. >> for a candidate who says she's not a natural politician, she's actually looked like one, comfortable in her own skin, over the past week. so really strong, her strongest
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political performance i think of her career. >> it's been exhausting. for the last couple of days you really saw it coming together. according to nbc news exit polls, clinton was dominant in new york among voters who wanted a candidate with the right experience as well as black voters, older voters and married women. younger voters, 36% of the under 30 demographic said they would definitely vote for clinton if she becomes the nominee while 37 said they would probably vote for her. 27% said they would not vote for her in november. most democratic primary voters said yesterday both sanders and clinton are honest and truth worthy. 87% for sanders and 60% for clinton. >> so willie, a very, very good night for hillary clinton. also just a great week or so of campaigning for her. >> you know, she's in the state that elected her twice. sleeping in your own bed doesn't hurt. she performed really we will here. she knows the state obviously. one of the most important numbers after last night, talk
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whether bernie sanders voters will coalesce and come behind hillary clinton and vote for her in the fall or stay home. all tolled, 85% of democrats said they would support hillary clinton if she's the nominee. only 13% said they couldn't vote for her, 8% of junk younger voters, answers the question will this party come together. >> i've seen mike barnicle on stage and bill clinton looking better than he's looked in a while. he's not looked great from time to time. what about new york, it's a magic place for them. the '92 convention. this pretty extraordinary. >> his appearances contrast exactly with how his wife is doing on the public stage. if she's having a bad week, he's having a bad week. it's kind of nice to watch. the interesting thing going forward, at least in my mind, what is the reaction of senator
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sanders and his campaign to yesterday's results. >> we have that. >> is he going to continue his assault on her? is it going to be about him or is it going to be about the issues? >> i think he's in a tough position. >> john, how does he continue hammering away at her as he has, now that it's inevitable that all he'll be doing is drawing blood from the democratic nominee? >> i think it's one of the big questions -- the question now, what the tone and substance of the sanders campaign looks like. he is heading into another series of states the same way trump is strong in the states next tuesday, hillary clinton is strong next tuesday. last night senator sanders who lost by a larger margin than some people thought, in a state where advisers thought he could win, he has to get 60% of the remaining delegates. he's going to have a bad week next tuesday. how does he decide the campaign
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going forward. >> hillary clinton beat bernie sanders despite being outspent by $3 million. in pennsylvania as the votes were still being tallied, sanders flew back home to his state of vermont, without traveling with press. upon touching down in burlington, the senator made a hastily arranged news conference and vowed to stay in the race while his campaign insisted there is still a path forward. >> so we lost tonight. there are five primaries next week. we think we're going to do well. and we have a path toward victory which we are going to fight to attain. >> if you look, obviously the big state here is california. big win there, delegates, oregon is a state that should be very, very good for the senator. these states, we've won all the states around these states. these states would seem to be prime territory for the senator. the senator has increasingly
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been doing well with latino voters in states across the country. new mexico in play. indiana a state he's going to do well in. it's possible to run all of these states. new jersey has a lot of delegates. if you look, a lot of delegates on the board. >> you know as well as i do if june 7th comes and goes and hillary clinton won the delegates, popular vote, there will be calls from her campaign and influential delegates in the country to make a decision to unite around her. you're saying instead of that you will spend those months, weeks in the summer trying to flip superdelegates to bernie sanders at the convention. >> at this point, yes. >> okay. >> to be clear there's a little dissent around senator sanders, ted devine, the senior strategist was saying different things. he said they would see how he did tuesday and reassess. made a point saying senator sanders said he would campaign
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through june 7th and then we'll see where we are. seems they are not internal dissent but saying slightly different things last night, differ things out of senior levels of the campaign last night we'll get clarity on. >> before we go to the break, new poll out of connecticut, throwing this in there. trump 48, kasich 28, cruz 19. coming up must-read opinion pages ahead plus the many, many hand gestures of trump. we'll explain that next. with hydrogenated oil...
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welcome back to "morning joe." if you guys are like me you watch with all respect twice. >> do you. >> i dvr. bookberg, watch it at 6:00 here and watch it later. you know what i'm saying, a great show. there's been a lot of talks about donald trump's hands. folks at bloomberg politics took note not only of that but size. >> they are big, beautiful hands. people shaking hands, oh my god, they are so strong. >> we decided to focus on versatility. >> last night 73 different hand gestures. they named them and set them to the waltz "the blue danube." ♪
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>> fantastic. >> 73, john. >> 73. >> fantastic. >> not my work, the great matt negron on our team put that together. genius. >> it's really good. >> the favorite is nsw. >> of course it is. >> you're not -- i can't explain that on the air. it's not safe for work. >> not safe for work. >> we'll tell you on the break. >> i don't think i want to know. >> what was your favorite? >> i liked jackson pollak. >> i liked geronimo. i liked the forehead tattoo. he's good on stage. i think they are effective hand gestures rather than these guys who practice and know they can't point their finger so they have to go like that. >> elizabeth warren took out a
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rant against donald trump and it dent end well for her. >> it didn't? what happened? >> i don't know. >> is it trump or cruz. >> now she's going after ted cruz. i think that's doing to be safer than doing after donald trump. >> the trump did not go well. we'll be back with more "morning joe." as you'll see, when shoppers add an item to their jet carts, they automatically shrink the prices of millions of other products. very impressive. whew... it's got a little kick to it. i'm sorry, i can't hear you? nice shirt craig. at jet.com, we're always looking for unbelievable money saving innovations. every auto insurance policy has a number. but not every insurance company understands the life behind it. those who have served our nation.
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>> i love it. it's funny. all right. >> can you believe that? look at him. >> senator elizabeth warren ripped ted cruz after his campaign sent out a fundraising pitch, quote, sacrifices he's made running for president, including enduring constant attacks, nonexistent family time and limited sleep. in a rapid-fire group of tweets directed at cruz. are you kidding me? we're supposed to pity you because trying to be leader of the free word is hard. boohoo. one more, ouch. in half dozen more tweets warren refuted citing sacrifices of working mothers and those working two jobs. she ended saying cruz should spend less time complaining about his significant sacrifices and more time doing something about theirs. she makes kind of a good point.
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>> well, i don't know. kristen, so, the last time senator warren went after a republican candidate, it didn't go so well for her. do you think ted cruz should actually use these attacks on the campaign trail and talk about them a good bit? >> i'm sure he will. >> kind of like the democrats hammered trump. >> how could he? she made good points. >> i have no doubt this the sort of thing where ted cruz will say, look, the democrats are so scared of me. look, elizabeth warren is attacking me. right now ted cruz's focus is onot on winning over voters in the middle, winning general election context, his goal is how to win primaries. i'm public enemy number one elizabeth warren is after. that sets him up reasonably well. what's interesting, i want to go back to trump and the surprise
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out of last night. the surprise for trump wasn't that he won, it's that his new tone was different. it was actually less combative. it will be interesting to see if ted cruz ramping up his level of combativeness at the same time donald trump is starting to scale it back. with his new leadership team in place, rolling out strategies, is he making a pivot to the general at the same time ted cruz is trying to dig in more than ever on the primary. >> writes in the post, contest unpopularity contest for the ages. assuming hillary clinton will win the democratic nomination and either donald trump or ted cruz becomes the republican nominee, the general election ballot is set to feature a choice between two candidates more negatively viewed than any major nominee in the history of polling. all three candidates are more unpopular than the losing presidential candidate than any point during the last five election cycles.
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according to gallop, history teaches it rises between election day and the inauguration. given these bargain basement favorability numbers, will the 45th president enjoy that luxury? maybe that luxury hasn't worked that well for us. do you know what i'm saying? >> do i. >> everybody comes in thinking the only person in the world that's ever become president. >> they really do. >> everyone bows to them. >> you know, mike, we've been complaining for years about choices we've had to make. ruth marcus is correct. these numbers, unpopularity numbers are horrific. but again, 24/7 news cycle any politician has to live in is horrific and helps create those numbers. even go back to, you know, paul simon writing a simon and garfunkel song "mrs. robinson" candidates shout about it, any
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way you look at it, you lose. people have been feeling that way about candidates they had to vote for for a long time. i don't know 1968 humphrey tay nixon choice is much better than what we'll have in 2016. >> i'll be willing to wage a bet obviously you can't do this. if you go back in time to humphrey versus nixon and you had twitter and instagram and snapchat and all of these social media vehicles that people use multiple times each and every day, both those candidates would be in the negatives. >> exactly. >> the same way hillary clinton and trump and cruz are. >> it's constant. >> it's a deboning. >> 24 hours. >> an assault. >> we sit back and whine about why good quality candidates don't run anymore. >> you'd have to be out of your mind. >> you'd have to be out of your mind. >> the point is, no matter what the negatives are, someone is going to be elected president of the united states. >> kristen, thank you very much for being on this morning. coming up, does donald trump have a female firewall?
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affiliate wbtv two employees at the state department and one city of flint. includes violating michigan's drinking water law, official misconduct, destruction of utility property and evidence tampering. meanwhile to demonstrate that that the tap water is safe to drink when filtered, governor rick snyder visited a flint home and drank some himself. he took time to say he'll drink it for the next 30 days. flint's mayor, however, was hardly impressed to say the least. >> lucky for him that he can drink filtered water because we've been dealing with this for two years, and we were drinking it when it wasn't filtered. so what i'm here to say is if the governor really wanted to know what it's like to deal with the situation we're in, instead of saying he's going to drink filtered water for 30 days, he needs to come and stay here for 30 days and live with us and see
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what it's like to have to use bottled or filtered water when you want to cook and when you want to drink and when you want to brush your teeth. that's what he needs to see. we still can't bathe with this water. there are a lot of things we can't do. we can't shower with this water. so drinking filtered water does not impress us. >> flint's mayor says she's still advising residents not to drink the water even if it is filtered. all this happened on the same day a federal judge dismissed a lawsuit filed by several flint residents ruling that the case is a state matter. that must sting. coming up next, bringing in campaign strategist steve schmidt, also nbc's chuck todd and tom brokaw will be here just ahead. "morning joe" will be right back.
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>> yes or no would you accept the nomination. >> no, steve, i said i do not want nor would i accept the nomination. >> got it. so you're considering the nomination. >> no, i'm not. >> okay. i'll give you some time to mull this one over. how about now? >> still no. >> so that's a maybe? >> no, it's a no. >> like a no no? or no, i don't want to be speaker of the house but i'll accept it if you give it to me nos. >> it's a no no. >> and two no nos make a yes. >> no, they make a firmer no period. >> okay period. but if i add two more periods,
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it becomes an ellipsis, so possibly? >> so no. let me say it in clear english, no. >> okay. how about clear german. >> nin. >> clear russian. >> nyet. >> wow, you seem to know a lot of foreign languages. that kind of international experience will really coin handy if you decide to accept the republican nomination, sir. >> very funny. welcome back to "morning joe." big night last night, mika. >> yes, it was. joining the table former campaign strategist and msnbc political analyst steve schmidt, columnist and associate editor of "washington post" and nbc political analyst eugene robinson and managing editor of bloomberg politics john heilemann is still with us. >> you actually said steve schmidt as you came on the set. look at trump now. >> they have him exactly where
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they want him. >> just barely over 50%, what was his number. >> 61 here. >> which, by the way, mark my words, okay, his ceiling. >> okay. >> no, he's hit his ceiling. >> you know what that means. that means, gene, 39% of republicans didn't vote for him last night. >> he only got 88 of the 90 delegates. can you imagine that. >> i've been around here a long time. i remember when the ceiling was 18%. >> never more than that. >> then 20, 25. >> what these boys are saying. >> gone up 3 or 4 points every week or month. everybody, even after wisconsin. by the way, i don't enjoy doing this. >> no. >> people think i enjoy mocking their stupidity, it actually hurts me inside. a little piece of me dies every time i do this. but i had to bring it up.
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even after wisconsin they were all riding op-eds. this the end of donald trump. well, we don't know that he can -- come on. they have been saying this every month since june. some week they will get it. >> up in pennsylvania, new jersey, connecticut, up in 20 points -- >> a loophole. >> the argument was when we're saying not us, ceiling was 18, when all these candidates get out, they are all anti-trump. they are going to go to whoever the establishment guy is. that hasn't turned out to be true. when rubio got out, half of his support went to donald trump. >> new york was donald trump's first majority win. the state's republican primary voters said bringing change was most important to them followed by sharing their values and telling it like it is. trump showed strength among working class voters taking 65% of those without a college
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education. but he also won a majority of voters with a college degree, a group he struggled with in some places. despite recent polling suggesting deep rooted problems, trump won resoundingingly among women, with 57%. does anybody want to give a shot at explaining this? >> gene robinson, you wrote a column a couple weeks back when colleagues and others saying this the end of trump. is it? >> no, it's not. >> specifically women. >> first to your point, joe. what was the reason to believe at any point this was such a fragile phenomenon that it would shatter if anybody pricked it, touched it. there was no indication of that from the beginning, yet that assumption was made. i put this in quotes by the "never trump" crowd. there's never a movement, not worthy of the name. you can't say never trump, oh, but i'll support him if he's the
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nominee rubbieluctantly. you can't say those two things at once. doesn't add up to never trump. why did he do so well with women, you know, specifically i don't know except obviously people -- ted cruz got zero delegat delegates, right? if cruz is anti-trump and one who offended by trump will flock. >> i don't think women will flock to cruz. >> they didn't flock to john kasich either. >> mika, tell me why? >> i don't think i can -- i'm not going to put it into words right now but it's going to play out a few more times and then i'll say it. but i was not surprised by the result yesterday. >> steve schmidt, what happened last night. >> it was a resounding victory. you take the measure of these candidates when they are at their lowest moment. he was at his lowest moment
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after wisconsin. his campaign was in peril. there was a moment in time he made a huge mistake. he attacked heidi cruz. he had launched another attack on megyn kelly. temperament was a major subject in the campaign, he turned it around and two weeks later we have this resounding victory. he goes on stage last night. it's not liein' ted, it's senator cruz. you see him recognizing the line where there was some confusion on in the trump campaign, the line between we're winning because of and we're winning in spite of. i think they have figured it out. you now see someone very much back on message talking about the failed status quo in this country, running as an outsider, talking about the failures of government, crisis of confidence, taking advantage of the collapse of trust in every institution in the country.
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i do think, and we talked about some of this last night on the air, the possibility that he goes forward with a campaign message talking about this country's collapsing infrastructure. i'm a builder, we're going to make this country great again, build great things. we're going to fix the roads, the bridges, the airports. we're going to invest in the country again. this is a powerful message. to the point about women, you do look at trump's numbers and say, well, he does have some problems with women voters, but the election is not a referendum on his popularity with any one demographic, it's a choice on the republican side between a, b, and c. you move to a general election and the choice is between a and b. when it becomes a choice between a and b, a lot of those problems -- >> part of the thing, though, is a has gotten more votes than trump. hillary clinton has gotten more votes than trump in the primary season. >> at the end of the day there's delegates and whether trump can get to the magic number before
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cleveland. yesterday giving trump serious boost in the margin. he had an 88 making his lead over cruz will 44 to 559. remember the magic number is 1237. trump took the podium to frank sinatra's "new york new york" saying he's impossible to catch in the race. >> we don't have much of a race anymore based on what i'm seeing on television, senator cruz is just about mathematically eliminated. we have won millions of more votes than senator cruz, millions and millions of more votes than governor kasich. we've won and now, especially after tonight, close to 300 delegates more than senator cruz. we're really, really rockin'. it's really nice to win the delegates with the votes. you know, it's really nice.
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we'll be going into the convention no matter what happens. i think we're going to go in so strong. over the next number of weeks we just saw a poll coming out of california, which is an unbelievable poll, but we're going to go into the convention, i think, as the winner. but nobody can take an election away with the way they are doing it in the republican party. >> important number out of our nbc news exit polling shows 68% of new york republican primary voters say the party should nominate the candidate with the most of course in the primaries if no one wins a majority of delegate before the convention. >> you know, gene, i personally think and thought for some time he's going to get over 1237. even doing this well in new york, cruz in third place, do well next week most likely, cruz in third place in some of those states, he's going to get close enough to 1237 there is no way. there is no way the republican party can stop from giving it to him. they are delusional if they
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think they can. >> given there is no stop trump movement. if there were some sort of solidarity, if there were some sort of group that could hold together and really fight the trump nomination, if that's what they wanted to do, you could imagine a different scenario. it doesn't exist. what exists now is just going to get weaker and weaker as he does better and better over the next few weeks. he goes to the convention with 1200 delegates, 1100 delegates, i just don't see -- >> for six months they have been talking about republican establishment and writers and commentators and talk radio hosts about coming together to stop donald trump. nobody can figure out how to do it. they still can't figure out how to do it. they are not going to be able to do it at the convention. >> the equivalent of the tough talkers the morning of a the bar
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fight. to gene's point, there is no trump movement, stop trump movement. the people that are involved in it are not throwing the bunches necessary, not taking the fight. it makes no sense when you say i'll support the nominee in the party. they also say after last night what's increasingly clear. he will get 137 votes. he will get 1237 delegation. he will a first ballot nominee, he will go over the top the night of the california primary with 170 plus delegates. there's almost no path to see how donald trump does not get to 1237 delegates at this point. the discussion -- >> i've said that. you're saying that. steve kornacki said that yesterday. but it's almost like the book ""the year of magical thinking"," there has been a year of magical thinking on the part of the republican
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establishment. it's just stunning. it just has rolled from one month to another. one narrative to another narrative. now the narrative is they are going to stop donald trump and take it away from him. i'm with you, it's not going to happen. >> he will be nominated on the first ballot. so when he was at 5, 600 delegates and there's 700 left to go, i think that there's enough math left that people can say, hey, he's not going to do it. if he closes within a couple hundred and you look at the states ahead looks at the winner take all states, look at the proportional allocations in the states left to go, he will certainly be at 1237. he'll go over the top on june 7th on the night of the california primary. >> so "the new york times" frames last night this way, "it was mr. trump who particularly seemed like a different candidate. as he spoke in the lobby of trump tower, there were no free wheeling presentations of steaks and bottled water as in the past. no references to liein' ted or crooked hillary. he called his opponent senator
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cruz instead and made no mention of mrs. clinton. he also took no questions from the news media." people noticed the difference. it was very -- it was almost like what just happened. he was gone. >> if he came out and said what more needs to be said. there was an interesting thing in the exit polling that i noticed last night, though. it's worth talking about here. voters were asked has the primary fight in your party, has it energized the party or has it divided the party. by a large margin, republicans said it had divided their party. by a large margin democrats said it had energized their party. fascinating. very interesting when you ask voters to be political analysts. they are very good at it. so i think that's just an interesting thing to watch out
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for as the campaign rolls into general election. >> it is. willie, it's going to be interesting to see how those numbers may change over the next month as donald trump continues to take this tack, stop talking about lying ted, if that's what he's going to be doing. in fact, people around him have been saying for some time he's going to get there. he's trying to figure it out. when can he basically lay down the weapons and trying to unify the party. as long as ted cruz was any threat to him, marco rubio was any threat to him, he was going to be talking about -- he was going to be the barroom fighter. i think you see donald trump, the guy that said, okay, i'm on the way. i can afford to put down the weapons and start trying to bring people together. >> first of all, for the record, i want steve schmidt with me in the barroom brawl. i want to put that out there. this morning what you're
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starting to see is some republicans resigned to the fact donald trump will be the nominee. doesn't mean they will accept that. all the people that say the party is divided, they won't accept him, support marco rubio, john kasich, whoever, are they willing to come around and support or vote for him or some people as a republican say i'd rather have hillary clinton than donald trump. does the party come around donald trump if he becomes the nominee. >> the big point is, mika, you made a point with mike barnicle about being the republican nominee. nobody thought he would be the republican nominee. what color is your truck going to be. >> we'll talk about that. i think mike is still in shock. i think i should make him give me the truck. he said to me, there is no way he's going to win the nomination. >> everybody said that. >> i said, i'll bet you a truck. you buy me a truck if he wins the nomination. he was fine with it because he was absolutely certain he would not win the nomination.
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>> make sure gun rack on it. >> gun rack. made in america. >> horns on the front. >> gun rack. i'll put a bedroom in it. ohio governor john kasich celebrated a small win after coming in second place in yesterday's primary. kasich came away with a hand full of delegates. as new york magazine points out donald trump only lost one place in new york, his home, manhattan. "the new york times" has created a block by block breakdown showing election results. kasich managed to beat trump in new york's 12th congressional district which includes most of the east side. does this surprise anybody? >> no. >> it's like the people running around with their hair on fire, donald trump, my god, never, never. the david rum nick's of the world. they just cannot accept donald
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tru trump. >> first of all, i don't think david voted for donald trump. >> there's an attitude in crusty areas that donald trump is not -- then you go to new york. >> upper crust, whereas we, willie, just working class dogs. >> you're not, but i think you understand them. >> if you go to the upper east side, you really feel it's kasich country up there? >> what's that? >> if you go to the upper east side, you really feel it's kasich country up there. >> i had a lot of people coming up to me saying i like that kasich guy. i like that kasich guy. "new york times" said it looks like john kasich is going to win john lindsey's -- >> the numbers sore small, the numbers of republicans in those precincts is so small that a cold or a flu passes around in one apartment building and that skews the whole election, if
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people stay home. >> i'm not surprised. where is john heilemann, is he somewhere? he is a flash cam. john heilemann, john kasich sweeps manhattan, not too much of a shock. when lou at that map, you also look at all of upstate new york. either trump territory. long island, all trump territory. this is, again, you look at the type of voters that donald trump wins. with working class americans, he seems like he's going to be very strong. is that transferable in the fall to ohio, pennsylvania, west virginia and some of these other swing states? >> well, look, there's no question that one of the ways if you think about how trump could be competitive in a general lec, it's by competing for those voters across the industrial midwest. in a lot of states the democrats have come to rely on over the course of the last few presidential cycles. places like ohio, pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, even
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illinois. i'll say one thing about kasich, one of the best pieces of news that came out of last night, not just donald trump, ted cruz finished third, implications of that. as willie noted earlier in the show, it bolstered the kasich argument for staying in the race. as long as john kasich stays in the race along with ted cruz, you're talking about a split -- the splitting the anti-trump vote. mitt romney made this point the other day. as long as both those guys are in the race, that's good news for donald trump. it's great for trump cruz came in third in and of itself, also great for trump cruz came in third because it gives kasich an argument for going on. as well as kasich goes on that's doubly good for cruz in the states ahead. >> gene, thank you very much. >> zapped by electricity. >> i know. funny thing. >> steve stays with us. still ahead on "morning joe." >> the actual delegates that go to cleveland are elected by the
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special correspondent tom brokaw, political director and moderator "meet the press" and host of mtp daily. >> chuck commenting to how all roads lead to rome, now looks as
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if all roads end in new york. looks as if the empire state finished off in new york. >> gave us nothing. >> the center of the universe. >> i just wanted a couple of good races. >> the two blowouts are definitive. tells us bernie sanders doesn't have a way forward. >> is the door closed on bernie sanders? >> at this point, he's only got the fbi. that's his last get out of nomination free card or whatever. the path isn't there. he's got an opportunity to take the party over, the heart of the party if he wants it. but if he goes out and takes a ball and screams and goes home, the clinton people shut him out. >> new york finishes off a revolution. they don't like outsiders. >> tom brokaw, does bernie sanders have a way forward or is
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it time to start wrapping the thing up. >> what's the opportunity for him? >> the opportunity is to stay in the race and be enough of a player he has something to say in philadelphia. he'll bring in a largely energetic crowd on the floor. you can't discount that. he won't catch her in delegate race but he's pushed her to positions she wasn't comfortable with at the beginning of the fact is he takes the democratic party way to the left. you'll see that represented at the convention. the trick for her is to accommodate him as best she can and get back to square one and back to the way she wants to run. that's what i think. >> tom, gop establishment and washington, d.c., have been clueless about donald trump, more to the point, clueless about the working class and middle class voters that are all flocking to him. we had this conversation yesterday afternoon. everybody acts like this is a
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new phenomenon. we've seen it before. we've seen it in the buchanan parade, perot, old democrats in south boston. >> the difference this time he's mainstream of what represents republican party. you see in this country, republican voters, many of them working class white males, are ticked off big time. you saw it across new york. you've seen it in every campaign we've seen so far. when he went down in wisconsin and made that terrible gaffe about punishing women who had abortions, there's a lot of discussion about coming unraveling. next thing he did was say it's a rigged system. that played exactly to bad feelings in the republican working class about it is a rigged system. nothing to do with us, all run by party bosses in washington, d.c., and geyempires in the
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financial system. >> why do you say it's white males ticked off. >> it's morning that. women are voting for him. he's not getting minorities. >> why do you think women are voting for him? why do you think he's doing well with women. >> i think in working class families, it's a team. >> well put. >> trump stayed on a rigged message again and kept his remarks short. the discipline is holding. the stop trump folks are in deep trouble. >> look, i think he went i want to say five straight days where he had the same message every day. >> how about his speech? >> same every day, system is rigged. got him on that front. that was manafort's first message. look at this, used an over the top phrase, gestapo tactics. drove it home. one goal now, the first ballot. everything should be about only that goal.
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you've got the sense trump got it. you look -- you've got to give trump credit, two weeks ago wednesday morning after wiscons wisconsin, a lot of people thought, we can get him. what everybody needs to remember about trump, he says the word about winning and losing, he wants to win. that's what we learned. he'll do whatever it takes to win. >> the other thing is campaign techniques changed, he's been a master. almost everything he's done has been on twitter and rallies. he hasn't been spending a ton of money on paid advertising of any kind. the world has moved to the digital universe and he's a master of that. therefore he reaches people when they get up in the morning and go to bed at night, not having to watch television. they just go online and get his twitters. >> willie, there was a breakdown of who spent what last night. bernie sanders outspent, but at
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the bottom donald trump spent nothing. >> he spent 67 grand. >> stop it. >> bernie sanders, $5.5 million. >> miser. >> wake up in a cold sweat, the poor guy who sells advertising in toledo. that guy going, oh, my god, trump is not going to buy ads. >> mike murphy was on the last horse out of town. he left carrying bags of money, and i think he's the hass one. you look at trump, you look at the new way you run campaigns, $67,000. >> which is money trump finds in his couch over on fifth avenue. >> nickels. >> we just had steve schmidt onna guy who knows about running presidential campaigns, he says it's clear to him trump will get 1237, it will happen june pth the night of the california primary, he doesn't see how he doesn't get there. do you agree with that? >> as fast as trump went up in the last two weeks and rescued himself, he's perfectly capable of stepping on his you know
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what. that said -- >> i'm sorry? >> i don't know what, chuck? i'm totally confused. >> that said, i think the way -- this idea of indiana, indiana, when did indiana become -- i love indiana, great history of basketball. >> the movie. >> all of a sudden we've turned indiana into the most powerful primary in the world. >> you have republicans that have been saying with a straight face on this show, you know, he may use new york and he may lose pennsylvania and he may lose new jersey and he may lose connecticut, he may lose california and he may lose anything else, but watch out, he may not win a clear majority in indiana. >> if that happens, what happens in indiana stays in indiana. >> it's also a manifestation of we're behind the curve. we were on two weeks ago and talking about maybe unraveling and all that. he's been out front on all this.
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especially his supporters. they look at us and say these guys don't get it. we're voting for something else this time. >> so and also just there is definitely a narrative that we've been following that he's been riffing his way through this. i think we are seeing signs. would you all agree paul manafort seems like a positive step for the campaign, pulling together legal time from jones day. >> not just manafort, all the people he's bringing together, the legal team from jones day. the thing to remember is the person in charge of everything is donald trump. >> right. >> anybody steps out of line -- nobody will step out of line. >> my point is -- >> hearing stories about infighting, there is no infighting. >> if you get caught in fighting, touch will take sides. we see what happens, the losing side is gone.
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sam nunberg. i think people that work for trump know this. i hear the same thing. >> there's a culture. >> there's not -- some people are learning i'd rather stay in the fold and be -- >> everybody that says lewandowski has been pushed to the side? he's on the plane with trump, everywhere with trump. >> i get the sense the two of them have come to a peace with this. it may not be a romance. >> for example, you didn't see manafort last night in all the crowd around the complain but you did see lewandowski. look, he's a real pro. when he brought him in, he didn't bring him in to ignore him. you can see the reflection of that in trump's demeanor last night. he was very calm. gave a speech that had a kind of stateliness. he's moved. my guess is paul manafort had a
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lot to do with that. >> yeah. >> another thing that's very interesting to me, i've been paying a lot of attention to this. at some point we've got to get to what's going on in the country. the fact is this morning president obama is landing in vague. there's a huge crisis going on in the middle east right now. >> landing right now. >> thank you, tom. >> goldman sachs reporting earnings off 40%. what's going on. i was meeting with a banker this week. he said this is what they are not paying attention to. he held up his iphone. i said, what are you talking about? the transition to digital economy and digital workplace. we've shut 30,000 workers in our big bank alone that we don't need anymore because everything is done on these. >> on the phone. >> there's no discussion of that. >> tom, i was driving through central pennsylvania, an extraordinary show a couple years ago where we drove across the country. i was driving across central pennsylvania last week and the
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scranton area and coming back into the city and i just looked at the place and looked at the factors and started thinking of all the people that lived up on those hills, they all went to one factory. it took all these people going to one factory to build these products and then they could do home and take care of their families. that world is gone and we still haven't figured out what we can replace it with. we can talk about china and we can talk about mexico and we can talk about moving jobs to other places, it's technology. >> the challenge. >> technology is pushing everything. we don't have any answer to that. one of the things i think i like to hear more about in this campaign, for example, is how do we address that. i threw a big touchdown pass and said we're going to community colleges and spend a lot of money and retrain working class people and other people from the ground up. but we're also going to have to take care of people losing jobs now, build components, start new
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businesses, that really is the issue about what happens to the american economy. it's not just what goes on in china and other places, it's how we fix it from the ground up. it takes more than proclamations of bernie sanders or donald trump or hillary clinton say we're going to make it better. tell me how you're going to make it better. >> tom, what's interesting is, for a long time we have talked about the working class talked about the poor, the truly disadvantaged. for years we've been talking about minority groups that live in inner cities. and now you actually see one study after another that is showing white working class americans life expectancy, going down. >> kids not doing better. >> the kids doing worse. drug problems. >> we left out a generation. we sort of walked away on education and a bunch of stuff. >> on that note, tom brokaw, chuck todd, thanks.
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still don't get what you meant there. >> trump stepping on his big, long, beautiful -- >> who is in charge of the campaign right now? >> my father. >> my father. doesn't matter who is there. this is a phenomenon. it's a phenomenon because of him. not because of a strategist in a room somewhere. he's his own strategist, his own pollster.
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people. you're basically saying we're going to send you tomorrow on a boeing 757. you're going to use the spa, this, that, we want your vote. that's a corrupt system. wait a minute. that has nothing to do with democracy. >> that's donald trump raling against what he calls a corrupt delegate system. >> it's rigged's. >> by the way. >> yes. >> somebody said paul manafort put him on that. let's be clear, we were throwing the word "rigged" around all morning monday morning. that night it showed up. rigged, come on, the rigged system. >> we know who is watching. >> it's right here. write it down right here. >> i also think paul manafort and legal team from jones day. my point is it takes a long time for those deals. paul manafort didn't all of a sudden show up. he's been working more than one
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people don't give him credit for. >> kind of like jacob, works a lot of different lechls. >> look at that. >> that is what they have done to you? >> needs music. >> does need music. >> nbc correspondent delegate hunter jacob soborov. you went looking for delegates, did you find them? >> i sure did. >> were they pleased to not be bound? >> guys, essentially they are the most powerful people, some of them in american politics today. you guys were just talking about it. donald trump on message, very presidential, but he's sticking to the system of this conversation about a rigged system. let me do a dramatic reading from last night. >> like ted cruz. >> it's really nice to win -- it's really nice to win the delegates with the votes. >> pause. >> thank you, the pause. pause. nobody should take delegate and claim victory unless they get those delegates with votes and
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voting. crooked system, rigged. we are going to take back the old way. you vote, you win. >> you vote. >> you know what he's talking about? he's talking about unbound delegates, these 150 plus people who get to vote for whoever they want when they show up for the convention in cleveland in july. >> you know what, jacob? >> yes, sir. >> i wish somebody put together a package to explain this. >> so funny, i happened to, joe. you at home, look at this. their votes may count way more than yours or mine. at the republican national convention in july, they could possibly hand the nomination to donald trump or they could stop him in his tracks. who are these 150 or so superpower republican voters and what are they doing to do with their unbound delegate power? >> i made it to fargo for the north dakota republican convention but i did not realize when i signed up to be a delegate hunter i'd have to find the delegates in all these people. excuse me, sorry to interrupt you. have you seen any national delegates around? >> no, i just got here.
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>> found my first unbound delegate from north dakota. how are you, sir? people don't quite know what's going on with unbound delegates. >> i think the process is misunderstood. there's a lot of people who actually think the voters choose the nominee. i've got news for them. i've said it before and i'll say it again the delegates at the national convention will choose the next nominee for the republican party. >> let's see, do you guys know any national delegates? >> i do not. >> do you? >> not yet. they haven't been elected yet. >> are you one? >> i'm running. >> what's your name. >> shane gettel. >> i saw your name earlier, you're on the cruz list. >> if the election were today i'd be voting for cruz. >> shane gettel, we got one. he's a cruz guy. that's it for me. next stop colorado. even though they can vote for whoever they want when they get to cleveland, ted cruz campaign outorganized and outhustled the
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team here and won commitment from several unbound delegates. if trump didn't like what he saw in south dakota, colorado would be far worse. once we got there unbound delegates were voluntarily binding themselves to cruz, something that was allowed in colorado rules. >> made it and three delegates out of the republican national convention. maybe they will eat those cookies, maybe not. i'm going degree find them. libby, you pledged or unpledged. >> i'm pledged. >> you're going for ted cruz. you've signed the paperwork. >> i did. >> what was it about ted cruz that made you sign that paperwork. >> he is the proven conservative. if we don't elect a proven conservative, we're going to get what we got in '08 and '12, this time it's just going to be someone in a pant suit. >> okay. fair enough. fair enough. i got it. >> i had to think about it for a minute. i got it. as we begin to learn the faces and names of these superpower voters, a huge haul of unbound
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delegates remains. >> i kind of like the cartoons. >> huge part of stopping donald trump if there's a shot getting unbound delegates. pennsylvania has 54 of them. only 17 delegates out of pennsylvania are tied to the popular vote. 54 can do whatever they want. >> a lot of those have pledged publicly, have they not, they are going to go with the state, whoever the state picks. >> they say that but they don't have to when they show up there. >> you know why? >> why. >> because they are unbound. say hi to your mom and dad for me. we miss them. it's been a long time. >> did they agree with me. >> left last time i was here. >> i didn't want to see them. >> walk out. >> something to do with prince concert in '98. >> never again. never again. >> all right, jacob, thank you very much. >> thanks, great to have you here. >> up next hillary clinton says victory is in sight. bring in former michigan
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sirius host, joining us jennifer granholm, she's endorsed hillary clinton from president. also with us from washington national correspondent from bloomberg business week josh green. we were just talking offset about flint and the handling of this crisis. people are being told they can't sue the city, they have to sue the states. >> fix the pipes. get the pipes out, replace the pipes. that's it. >> this is like katrina. >> except. >> in terms of it's effect. >> but it was caused by human beings. >> just seems like they cannot get -- >> this is also not the only place in the country that happen contaminated water. we have a decrepid he krep --
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decrepit infrastructure. talking about necessity of fixing infrastructure, bridges, airports, can't hold a cell signal in big parts of the country. it's going to be put before american people. >> why is it ordinary citizens are far more aware of and more concerned about the lack of infrastructure or infrastructure, need to rebuild infrastructure than people who go to washington. >> the people who go to washington, the majority republicans, and i can speak on michigan's behalf, they don't want to raise revenue to invest in infrastructure. they will not raise infrastructure at all over their death. doesn't matter you've got pipes poisoning kids or you can't go to an airport without smoothly getting on a plane. it's just insane. this is our country. we have to invest in our country. i'm glad -- i think there will be agreement, republican and
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democratic side. >> sounds like you're saying we need to make america great again. >> maybe if the again means when we had democrats in charge and who are willing to invest. i will say that. >> right. right. so josh, your latest bloomberg piece entitled "donald trump has a female firewall" and you write one group of women stubbornly sticking by donald trump. married republican primary voters. the image of trump supporters as protesters punching angry white men may not be without merit but his shot at the white house rests just as heavily on those who most closely resemble june cleaver, in order to eke out the nomination he'll have to convince women not to abandon him and ideally grow their support. if past is prologue and trump doesn't curb misogyny, he may drive away last group of women who support him and with it the chance to support gop in the fall. there are women in new york who supported him last night.
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>> absolutely. i think one of the big stories coming out of new york last night was that donald trump won women in every age group and every income level. he essentially did what it looks like he set out to do when he sat down with megyn kelly from fox news and try to clear the air, keep in check his impulses and mysogynistic stuff he said about women. it led to a strong victory and more presidential like victory speech we heard last night. >> a challenge for hillary clinton between her and trump over the female vote? >> i don't think so. the slice of women that will support trump is small relative to the greater percentage of women. >> that's correct. >> we've got almost 70% of women in this country who cannot bring themselves to vote for donald trump. last night hillary clinton's victory was due to a huge turnout among women. she won women by 20 points. she won african-americans by 50
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points. hispanic voters by 26%. she's putting together a new american majority and that is what's very is very exciting to democrats. clearly the crowds of bernie sanders did not turn up at the polls. how does hillary clinton get those people? >> this is a really important point. we will all be listening very carefully to what bernie sanders says coming out of new york and going into the next primaries. no one is asking him to get out of the race. i think the call for him not to lodge personal attacks going at her using republican talking points, going after her trust worthiness, credibility that she may be taking money and switching policies to support wall street, all of that stuff has got to stop because you are hurting her for the general election. you can talk about the issues
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but the personal attacks -- >> i thought those were issues. >> you can sense -- we talked about it yesterday, you can sense anecdotally among women that bernie sanders' constant attack on secretary clinton's integrity -- >> qualifications. >> was hurting him and not secretary clinton. >> last night is proof positive that those attacks did not work. there needs to be another effort. go on the issues or even the effort to go after the democratic party for its fundraising. you are running as a democrat. all of the money that is being raised -- there is some that it hurts but helps the balanced ticket. if available it will help him, too, if he somehow becomes the nominee. you don't attack her on her qualifications and don't attack the democratic party running as
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a democrat. >> these attacks didn't hurt. if you look at a presidential campaign it is your party that credentials the attack that can be taken up by the other side. newt gingrich did tremendous damage to mitt romney and barack obama picking up on it in the general. democrats did damage to john kerry in the '04 bush campaign. this corruption attack, is he all in? is he going to make a corruption argument against hillary clinton for the balance of this primary or going back to being the leader of a movement trying to shape the democratic party to the left through his democratic socialist prism. >> you have donald trump echoing the same attacks. that is one reason why democrats have been so upset about bernie. the whole thrust of his criticism against her, trump's,
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has echoed the same charges bernie sanders has been making more and more aggressively. >> it is rough out there. she is a survivor. >> she is a survivor. >> she had a good day yesterday and definitely in the zone. thank you for being on again. much more "morning joe" is straight ahead.
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trump, trump, trump. >> hillary, hillary. >> today you proved once again there is no place like home. [ cheers and applause ] >> we love new york. we love new york. we are going to celebrate for about two hours then early in the morning i get up and we begin working again. >> tonight little less than a year later the race for the democratic nomination is in the home stretch and victory is in sight. ♪ new york belongs to donald trump and hillary clinton. the presidential front runners
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locked down big wins that could set the tone for a final sprint to the general election. first on the republican side the clock barely struck 9:00 when nbc decision desk called it a significant win for the real estate giant and first-time politician. you have to step back and look at that. >> this guy has been in this business for less than a year. >> donald trump crushed his opponents by winning 61% of the vote. john kasich beats ted cruz by ten points for second place. that means trump walks away with an overwhelming majority of the state's 95 delegates and steps closing to the 1,237 need to clinch the nomination. >> willie geist, new york post. come a long way from the don
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voyage cover. >> the polls seemed impossible. the clear average was 34 points. you said it is not 34 points. it was 36 points. he won across demographics. he won as he has so often with whites with no college degree and with people with a college degree. the demographics were staggering. >> you go congressional district by congressional district by congressional district and you look at the fact that this is a guy who two weeks ago many pundits were declaring as dead making stupid conclusion as they have every week for nine weeks now. this is when donald trump loses. >> i think another conclusion that was made and my instinct was that it was wrong, we can talk about it carefully, but that he would do terribly for women because he is bad for
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women. >> he didn't do terribly for women here. on the other side we will get to all of the results, but on the other side hillary clinton, your suspicions yesterday, i think, actually were proven to be true that bernie sanders coming on too strong against hillary clinton over the past two weeks in new york actually may have had a negative impact on him because hillary clinton also scoring a massive victory. >> 61% to 39% among women for secretary clinton over bernie sanders. but on the trump thing, one of the remarkable things at least to me, washington last night is the new additions to his team have made a huge impact on donald trump. he was succinct in terms of taking 15 minutes to say hello when he walked out on the stage. he was to the point. >> the breaking news, he called ted cruz senator cruz. >> we will get to that.
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>> senator cruz. >> no steaks sold, no vodka sold, no home shopping network feel to this thing. >> very traditional, very disciplined and a guy who said the thing he learned about donald trump is through the years he is a really quick learner, a guy named rudy giuliani endorsed him yesterday. >> the two of them if you think about what has happened, both of them lost in wisconsin, hillary clinton and donald trump what happened over the course of the last two weeks they came out of wisconsin and suffered real and significant losses there. they were lucky in the sense that they both were coming home. they campaigned over the course of the two weeks. they both were really great new york candidates. they understood the media dynamics here. they were in the street. they were all over the state. they took advantage of home field in a really impressive
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way. they got this state which is how it should be. they are very, very solid and they ran new york campaigns as new yorkers. >> hillary clinton's been in politics for about 40 years. donald trump has been in politics for one year. both of them had the best two political weeks of their lives. not a close call. both of them did great. >> we have with us nbc news correspondent hallie jackson. in washington columnist kristin anderson. good to have you all on board. let's put the jellybeans back in the jar and lay things out for people. >> jellybeans? >> you say he didn't say senator or lying ted. we will spell it out for people. new york was donald trump's first majority win for the voters. he says knew him best.
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sharing their values and telling it like it is. trump showed strength among working-class voters taking 65% of those without a college education. >> 65% no college degree. >> he also won a majority of voters with a college degree, a group he has struggled with some places or some think he does. despite recent polling suggesting deep rooted problems trump won resoundingly among women with 57%. yesterday's vote gave trump a serious boost in his delegate margin adding 88 making his lead over ted cruz 844 to 559. trump took to the podium to "new york, new york" and said he is impossible to catch. >> we don't have much of a race anymore based on what i'm seeing on television. senator cruz is just about
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mathematically eliminated. we have won millions of more votes than senator cruz. millions and millions more votes than governor kasich. we have won and now after tonight close to 300 delegates more than senator cruz. we are really, really rocking. it's really nice to win the delegates with the votes. it's really nice. we'll be going into the convention no matter what happens. i think we are going to go in so strong and over the next number of weeks we just saw a poll come out of california which is an unbelievable poll, but we will go into the convention i think as the winner but nobody can take an election away with the way they are doing it in the republican party. i have great, great admiration and praise for the city of new
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york and the state of new york. i can think of nowhere that i would rather have this victory. >> that's a very different -- >> clearly different. and now he is going to be able to run this type of campaign going to a calendar that suits imhad. >> he has been beating everybody in their own home turf. now he is home. he has a disciplined approach and next week most likely will be just as strong as this week. >> the question will be whether he can maintain this different tone, level of discipline he has shown. we don't know whether he will or not. he has a -- what is great is coming out of having had this huge victory here now a week from now rhode island, connecticut, maryland, pennsylvania, all states where he is leading by substantial
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numbers in the polls. things get trickier down the line as we talked about yesterday on "afternoon joe" to get to 1,237 he has to perform well. last night was the beginning of what could end up getting him. there is a path now for him to get to 1,237 if he has the big week and continues to perform in a strong way. >> willie, also a great night because ted cruz. >> we'll get to that. >> done in by new yorkers. third place and it really under cuts his argument that he is the only guy to beat donald trump. he can't beat john kasich right now. >> kasich campaign saying what is ted cruz doing in this race? ted cruz will say new york is not his kind of state. nbc news exit polling shows new york republican primary voters
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say the party should nominate the candidate with the most votes in the primaries if no one wins majority. 68% say if he doesn't get the majority trump should be the guy. supporters split on the question. that number is tied at 48. among republicans who did not vote for trump in new york 75% say he is dividing the party. >> you mentioned senator ted cruz. he finished third, tormented everywhere he went about his comments about new york values. his campaign had hoped to pick off a couple of delegates. as of this moment he has been blanked. a whopping 41% of republican voters say they would not vote for him at all if he were to become the nominee. did no one see this coming? i know i sound -- >> a cheap shot. >> ted cruz took a cheap shot in a debate and i guess he didn't
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think new york like the second biggest state in the union was going to be relevant. it came at a horrible time and it really under cuts his narrative. it is going to most likely impact him going into states next week. >> last night cruz spoke in philadelphia choosing an interesting comparison as he addressed a small crowd. >> i'm so excited to share with you what america has learned over the past few months and has nothing to do with a politician winning his home state. we learned that america is at a point of choosing. the people in state after state have made it clear, they cry out for a new path. this is the year of the outsider. i'm an outsider. bernie sanders is an outsider. both with the same diagnosis but both with very different paths to healing.
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millions of americans have chosen one of these outsiders. our campaigns don't find our fuel in special interests but rather directly from the people. >> so i guess that was rehearsal. i don't know if anybody was there. he was just prepping. he did say he had a lot in common with bernie sanders and one other thing was that they both were trounced last night and had political campaigns. >> people really like bernie sanders so i think there is a difference. >> it's a parallel universe where donald trump is not the outsider. he is a reality show host and businessman. ted cruz and bernie sanders are sitting in -- >> not just the delivery that is not credible but what he is saying. >> this is a guy that went to princeton, harvard law. wife works at goldman sachs. he worked at the bush
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administration. he was in the solicitor general's office. he worked on the bush campaign. wasn't he the texas attorney general? he was a texas united states senator. he is now presidential candidate and the only one on the republican side that holds office in washington, d.c. and he is the outsider? >> hallie jackson, can he paint himself as an outsider? >> this is his strategy. he wants to say he is the soudser bsouds outsider but working the rules as insider. what he is doing is trying to combat donald trump's message that the system is rigged. that is an easy message for people to understand. cruz has to understand the rules are the rules and if you get x amoint that can be more difficult message to understand and people may hear that and think that is the establish message. i got to note about the speech,
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we haven't heard that before. he used one of barack obama's yes we can slogan and switched it and said yes we will. that has become his rallying cry. this speech was inspirational and tried to hit notes of optimism very different from the world on fire message he had been putting out. he is trying to pivot towards sort of a more general election message and we'll see if it resonates with voters. >> let me ask you, what was the mood like around the cruz camp when they knew this thrashing was coming? >> admitting they were going to get shut out. i spoke with a campaign aid late last night and they were saying we got to take the butt whooping that was to come, they are bracing for a rough seven days, eight days narrative wise and momentum wise.
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at this point they are biting time until they get to western states. you look at tuesday connecticut, rhode island, delaware, these are not places that are seen as a natural fit for ted cruz. and there is not an expectation to pick up delegates. in pennsylvania if he comes in third they are thinking a couple dozen delegates there and maybe six out of maryland. they are hoping to pick up a handful of delegates in these states on tuesday but focussing on indiana may 3 is where he is headed to tomorrow after a stop at hershey later this morning. still ahead for "morning joe," did bernie sanders go too negative? chris jansing joins us to break down the race. the country's largest health insurer set to leave obama care state health exchanges. first bill ckarins. >> we are adding up numbers,
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eight lives lost, 744 homes have water in them. a lot of people had to be taken out by boats because the water doesn't go down fast in houston. it is very flat and the water is very slow to recede. it could be a couple more days before these people get back in their homes to begin what is going to be a devastating cleanup. you can imagine insurance companies and claims and paperwork and heart ache. unfortunately, another batch of rain is heading to that area. it is weakening as it gets there and shouldn't cause additional problems. raining in austin and houston. for today a marginal risk of a few strong storms in the area that flooded. lubbock to abilene where we could see isolated stronger storms. want to talk about warmth. we have been having month after month of record temperatures across the globe. these temperatures in the northwest have been the
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credible. we were 83 two days ago in seattle. 81 yesterday and today we are 80 degrees. this is the first time seattle has had three 80 degree april days in a row. while the east you are enjoying beautiful weather that will end as we go through friday night with a chance of some showers. a shot of times square. you couldn't ask for better conditions over the east coast over this past week. you are watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. e the most rare and magical fruit. which provided for their every financial need. and then, in one blinding blink of an eye, their tree had given its last. but with their raymond james financial advisor, they had prepared for even the unthinkable. and they danced. see what a raymond james advisor can do for you. if you have allergy congestion muddling through your morning is nothing new.
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let's turn to the democrats. hillary clinton's 16 point victory over bernie sanders, when you factor in superdelegates she picked up 177 delegates while senator sanders picked up 105.
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clinton is just under 80% away from the magic number needed. shortly after new york was called in her favor she proclaimed the democratic primary race is nearing its end and victory is in sight. >> today you proved once again there is no place like home. [ cheers and applause ] you know, in this campaign we have won in every region of the country from the north to the south to the east to the west, but this one's personal. and to all the people who supported senator sanders i believe there is much more that unites us than divides us. we started this race not far from here on roosevelt island.
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and tonight little less than a year later the race for the democratic nomination is in the home stretch and victory is in sight. donald trump and ted cruz are pushing a vision for america that is divisive and frankly dangerous promising to round up millions of immigrants, threatening to ban all muslims from entering the country, planning to treat american muslims like criminals, these things go against everything america stands for. >> let's talk about hillary for a second there. we mentioned it yesterday afternoon over the past couple of weeks especially the last
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week she has been in mid season form. she has been her most relaxed. she has been her most at ease for a candidate who says she is not a natural politician she has actually looked like one, comfortable in her own skin over the past week. really strong. strongest political performance of her career. >> you have seen it coming together. according to nbc news exit polls clinton was dominant in new york among people who wanted a candidate with experience. younger voters 46% of under 30 demographics said they would definitely vote for clinton if she becomes the nominee. 20% said they would not vote for her in november. most democratic primary voters said sanders and clinton are honest and trust worthy. 81% for sanders and 60% for
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clinton. >> a very, very good night for hillary clinton and also just a great week of campaigning. >> she is in the state that elected her twice. she performed very well here. i think one of the most important numbers that came out, the talk of whether or not bernie sanders voters will coalesce and come behind hillary clinton and vote for her in the fall or stay home. all told 85% of democrats said they will support hillary clinton if she is the nominee. only 13% said they couldn't vote for her including 78% of young voters. that answers the question of will the party come together. >> i see those two on stage. bill clinton looking better than he has looked in a while. he has not looked great from time to time. but what about new york? it's a magic place. the '92 convention.
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>> his appearances contrast exactly with how his wife is doing on the public stage. if she is having a bad week he is having a bad week. it is kind of nice to watch. the interesting thing going forward is going to be what is going to be the reaction of senator sanders and his campaign to yesterday's results. >> we have that. >> is he going to continue his assault on her? is it going to be about him or about the legitimate issues? >> i think he is in a really tough position. >> i think so, too. how does he continue hammering away at her the way he has now that it is all but inevitable that all he will be doing is drawing blood from the democratic nominee? >> it is the question now. he is heading into another series of states the same way
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trump is strong in the states next tuesday hillary clinton is strong in those states. after last night senator sanders lost he has to get about 60% of remaining delegates. he is going to have a bad week next tuesday. how does he decide the campaign going forward to the end? >> clinton easily beat bernie sanders despite being outspent by nearly $3 million. after delivering a speech in pennsylvania as the votes were still being tallied sanders flew back home to his state of vermont without traveling with press upon touching down the senator made a hastily arranged news conference and vowed to stay in the race while his campaign insisted that there is still a path forward. >> so we lost tonight. there are five primaries next week. we think we are going to do well and we have a path towards victory which we are going to
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fight to maintain. >> i mean, if you look, obviously, the big state here is california. a win there would get a lot of delegates. or should be good for the senator. we have won all the states around these states so these seem to be prime territory. senator has been doing well with latino voters. so new mexico certainly in play. indiana a state that he is going to do well in. possible to run all of these states. new jersey has a lot of delegates. >> you know as well as i do if june 7 comes and goes and hillary clinton won pledged delegate count there will be calls from her campaign and a lot for you to make a decision to unite around her. you are saying instead of that you will spend those months and weeks trying to flip superdelegates to bernie sanders? >> at this point absolutely.
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>> there is a little dissent on that point. as he was saying tad divine was saying different things, saying in fact they would see how he did next tuesday and reassess where the campaign was at and said senator sanders said he will campaign through june 7. it seems like they are saying slightly different things last night at very senior levels of the bernie sanders campaign. coming up on "morning joe," wall street journal, you better behave. >> she's going to come out here. >> she is from the "wall street journal." >> she gets excited. these are times that try wall street editorial page members.
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accepted the republican party's nomination for president at its convention eight years ago. >> this is going to be -- it is going to be almost like going home. for him to walk into the hall eight years later and just to be a part of this celebration, it's a community. we are family sgrmpt had mccain is sitting out opting to focus on his senate race instead. mccain told the hill yesterday i have to campaign for reelection and i have always done that when i'm up. mccain attended conventions that coincided with other races. mccain joins those who said they won't attend and rob portman who represents ohio where this year's convention is being held said he will attend but will mostly be involved in outside volunteer events. >> what is going on here?
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>> witness protection program. there is no republican in a competitive senate race that will be within 1,000 miles of this -- >> of either donald trump or ted cruz. >> member of the wall street journal editorial board mary. >> i'm going to be working here in new york. >> my gosh. >> and nbc news senior white house correspondent chris jansing covering the presidential race literally on the road morning, noon and night. steve schmidt back at the table. mary, how are you doing? >> i'm good. how are you doing? >> doing well. >> i got my coffee. this is what you need. >> how are we doing? >> why don't i read the wall street journal editorial. truch's bully pulpit. donald trump says he wants to unite the republican party and
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threatening to blow up the july convention because he and the campaign were too lazy to understand the nomination rules. none of this would be a problem if mr. trump were consolidating gop support like previous front runners at this stage of the nomination race. his problem is millions of republicans fear he would lose in a landslide. mr. trump has shown little capacity and interest in improving his image. this is the real reason he may lose the nomination. >> is it too late for trump to consolidate between now and july? is it too late for him to consolidate? >> i was listening to your show earlier this morning and you were talking about the change in donald trump's rhetoric as if they were important. the real question is, is he doing the serious work that you need to do on the policy side. is he getting serious about the idea that he may be the nominee
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when it comes to the convention? absolutely no indication of that. you heard the same messages last night, we are going to force u.s. companies to stay here and protect america. >> is it too late, though, between now and july to consolidate at least enough of the republican party to go forward into the fall? >> he is a highly disliked front runner. the latest poll said he is disliked by 65 peace corps. -- 65%. donald trump in some respects was lucky because he came having very tough wisconsin race but then moved in the states that are favorable for him. new york, connecticut. once it moves out west i think that is a different story. >> i think change in strategy, change in tone that we were talking about as if it was important, isn't it in terms of
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being able to be universal? the rest of what you said -- >> is he going to attract independents. >> style matters, when you go from calling ted cruz lying ted to senator ted and go from rambling on and selling steaks and water to having a shorter concise speech i would guess that does have an impact. >> organization matters. in pennsylvania a vast majority of delegates are unbound so campaign organization is going to matter. but then when you move out to states like california ted cruz has been out there for a year targeting districts that he thinks are favorable to him. that is important in the winner take most state. >> you have been in california a good bit. donald trump at the 49% in the latest poll. do you think they will be doing both instead of a shotgun approach or more targeted rifle
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approach the new trump team? >> he augmented his team and brought people on who understand the process and understand how to run the type of campaigns necessary to go into heavily democratic districts in los angeles and san francisco or merge with delegates like he did in manhattan. when you look at the math of this race and look at states ahead and look at the winner take all states donald trump is going to be the first ballot nominee of the republican party. he will clear the 1,237 mark by at least 50 to 60 delegates by the time the votes are counted on june 7 in the state of california. and that presumes really ted cruz over performing at a level that he hasn't been able to perform at thus far in the campaign. >> if that is the case i think the danger for a lot of republicans is that they are not listening to what the american voters are telling them.
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you were joking about the fact that i have been on the road. i have been to 20 states and have been to polling places and i have watched these record turnouts happen and i have talked to the voters. many of them first time voters. they feel once again because of what donald trump and on the democratic side bernie sanders has done is that they feel their vote matters. they feel they have a voice. they are articulating something, this frustration that -- >> that is extraordinary. that means that seven years of obama policies, big government spending, socialization of health care haven't improved lives of americans. hillary clinton said that last night in her victory speech. it means that that agenda didn't work. that is the implicit message on both sides of politics. by the way, when you talk about dislike numbers, hillary clinton's dislike numbers are
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56%. she started out at a much lower level. the longer voters see her the less they like her. it is a grim campaign. >> let me ask this question. your answer will be interesting to me. do you think donald trump is increasing his chances of winning the primary given his wins last night? >> i don't think we learned much that was new in new york last night. new york was going to be the strongest state for donald trump. do i think the fundamentals of the race have changed because of new york? i don't. i think it is still very much possible donald trump could win 1,237. it could go to an open convention. i think these are favorable states for donald trump and out west it isn't. >> let's talk about the democratic side. looks like bernie sanders is swinging at this point. >> i thought last night when there was the curfulfill about him getting on a plane and didn't take the press with him
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it seems this is a man who got into a race with an idea logical goal. he wanted that wing of the party that he believes is expanding and has not been really articulated in a way he would like to be heard. something happened along the way, michigan and suddenly this guy who was an issues candidate thought and the people around him thought maybe we can win this thing. >> extreme socialist. he won 40% of the vote in new york. he has won nine of the last ten elections. >> and brought 27,000 people to some of these -- he is bringing people who never voted before. he is bringing young people who never voted before. the clinton campaign knows this and ignore this at their peril. i thought last night you have bernie sanders doing a reality check. he is a smart man. he knows what the numbers are. he is not ignoring the delegate
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situation. he got on the plane, went home, thinking about where am i going to go now. >> we have heard how republicans have become more extreme, the senate, tea party. nobody has looked at how extreme democrats have gotten on the left. as i was watching last night with people that were reagan democrats, people that helped elect me in '94, people that led the obama care protests in 2009, people who helped elect republicans to house and senate, people helped -- republican party is the same as it has always been. we just don't have somebody to unite the establishment and the populous base. the democrats, though, the story of this election which is missed because the media always is center left and always looking for the negative republican story is -- trust me, guys, you
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can hate me if you want to, you will see it. the proof will be in the pudding how far left the democratic party has gone. everybody is so subseszed with the bright shiny object of trump. trump is not a political realignment. these people have always been there. on the democratic side how far left they have gone on the left, that is the political realignment in the party that is going to have impact. >> there has been 10,000 words written about how the republicans have moved to the right for every word written how the democrats moved to the left. this is a party that would be unrecognizable to john kennedy. he wouldn't recognize the democratic party of today. it has moved extremely far to the left. you think about the great jean kirk pattric speech, the san francisco democrats blame
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america first. you look at the economics, look at the spending, the taxation and the center left media who covers this race discounts the deep unpopularity with an actual general election electorate. the bill will come due here for hillary clinton on these positions in the general election. >> the party is much farther left than hillary clinton. >> do you think donald trump is terrible for america, yes or no? >> we don't talk about people, just policies. i don't like the policies. we are pro-trade. >> seems like you come to the table like a stop trumper. >> you can label me but we are about the policies. >> i'm not labelling you. i'm getting a huge feeling from you. >> i feel like i should say this slowly. we do not endorse candidates.
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>> i'm asking you to be more transparent about where you stand. when we ask you to analyze the race about how he did or perhaps how he pivoted or what trump voters feel you lurch into somehow -- >> i lurch? >> you do. >> we didn't learn a lot that is new. divided party. we are going to follow it good for the trump in the northeast and tough out west. hillary clinton 56% disliked. >> chris jansing, thank you, as well. thank you for the time. real is making new friends. amazing is getting this close. real is an animal rescue. amazing is over twenty-seven thousand of them.
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what are you watching today? >> united health, the nation's largest health insurer confirming that it will pull out
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of most of the 34 states of which it offers plans under obama care insurance. the ceo said by 2017 it will only be down to a handful of states. >> why is that? why did they bail? >> they are losing money on it. it's not profitable and the losses continue to mount. according to the company they say there is a higher risk profile for those folks signing up on the exchanges and a smaller overall market size. the bottom line is it is a blow to obama care and leaves a lot of consumers with fewer options but did find even if united health pulls out of all 34 states which it operates we should only be looking at a modest increase in premiums. that could be because united health care has 795,000 people signed up out of 13 million who signed up in 2016 total.
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it is still a small fraction but the big question going forward is will other companies follow suit if they are not seeing profits in this become insurance market place. that will be key to see whether premiums rise on consumers and choices will continue to narrow. >> thank you so much. we are back in just a moment.
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welcome back to "morning joe." what did you learn today in. >> i learned that the next 48 to
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72 hours will be pivotal as well as deeply interesting with regard to senator sanders. resting up at home. how is he going to be when he comes back on the trail? is he going to be on the attack going after the jugular calling secretary clinton unqualified or will he revert to the issues? we will find out who bernie sanders is. >> i think the case around the stop trump movement that he can be denied the nomination is starting to collapse, though, i don't think people will drop the argument until the math becomes a little bit clearer here in the weeks ahead. he is poised to be the republican nominee like every other recent nominee on the first ballot. >> i agree with you. i think last night really had a huge impact on the outcome of the race, new york more relevant
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than ever before. bernie sanders needs to figure out what he wants to do. and i think there is too much pressure for him to continue tough attacks on hillary clinton. and the republican establishment he can figure out what they are going to do about donald trump. he is going to get the 1,237 most likely. they need to plan their next move. >> i think team clinton has to be careful not to be too condescending to bernie sanders supporters and expect for them to just like soldiers march towards her. i think they need to really be careful navigating it because they are not just people, they are a movement and message driven by something that is really important to them. steve kornacki picks up the coverage after a quick break. have a great day, everybody.
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