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if it's friday, just under 90 days till the cleveland convention. has donald trump stopped the stop trump forces dead in their tracks, or did they stop short themselves? this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. >> good evening, i'm steve kornacki in for chuck todd. happy friday to you. welcome to "mtp daily." well, what the heck has happened to the stop trump movement? less than 90 days to go now until the convention, and it looks as if the resistance may be in retreat. the party has heeded trump's warnings to keep its hands off the convention rule book at
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least so far. and party chairman reince priebus is begging the party factions to knock it off. meanwhile, trump looks to overpower the gop all the way to the cleveland convention. you're looking at state fairgrounds in delaware, trump is holding a rally there. delaware, a winner take all state on tuesday, with 16 delegates up for grabs. so far, this has been a standard, trump-style stump speech going on in delaware, a heavy focus on economic issues like trade and china. we are keeping a close eye on what he's saying to that crowd there and we'll have any news that emerges from that speech. today's rally comes amid a dramatic rebranding effort that's under way behind the scenes, led by trump's new convention manager paul manafort. the goal is to transform trump from a hard-right fire breather into a palatable general election candidate. if you've been following trump's campaign for the past year, you might say that sounds like a tough task, maybe even an
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impossible task. but it's worth keeping something in mind, remembering that donald trump is no stranger to pulling off an image makeover. he did it with republican voters. remember this, when he started this campaign a year ago, only 23% of republicans, fewer than 1 in 4, said they could even see themselves possibly supporting donald trump. 74% said no way. but look how those numbers have flipped over the course of this campaign. 61% of republicans now they say could see themselves supporting trump. there are still 38% who cannot, but that's a big change over the course of the year by donald trump. manafort certainly has his work cut out for him. trump it willing fortune magazine he's not going to rebrand his image. it's a message directly at odds with manafort, who is assuring rnc officials privately that trump's issue is going to change for the general election. trump has turned his campaign into a heat-seeking missile against the rnc lately, he's
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called the nominating system a fix, he's called it a totally corrupt, rigged system and he said the rnc should be ashamed of themselves. his words there, and the rnc chairman reince priebus should also be ashamed of himself. so after you soak all of that in, here's what trump's top strategist told rny officic offn a closed door meeting. >> i want you to know that there's been some talk, you're raised it, like every one of you, about is donald trump running against the republican national committee? the answer is, he is not. trump's campaign strategy has mocked and attacked everything about his party, certainly everyone in its leadership. contrast that with what manafort
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told my colleague kasie hunt at this weekend's rnc meeting. >> we're here really to let them know we're going to run a traditional campaign with them. when we're the nominee of the republican party, it will be a trump brand, but we're republicans, we're running as a team. we want to start bridging the gap so we can unify this party in time for cleveland so we can have a positive convention and get our message out. >> nbc's hallie jackson is in the trenches with the trump campaign and joins me now from the trump rally in delaware. hallie, four years ago when mitt romney got through the republican primaries, the term etch a sketch. sounds like paul manafort has that in mind for donald trump. can they pull that off? >> reporter: but as you pointed out, donald trump himself has said he doesn't plan to rebrand. although he has said he would
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plan to be more presidential. we're in harrington, delaware. his typical stump speech, in recent days, it's been shorter, it's been tighter. he's starting off now by rattling statistics, today it has to do with delaware and the economy because that's where we are. you talk about the stop trump movement, i can tell you that ted cruz has been endorsed by one of these groups in pennsylvania and in indiana. but that same group is also backing john kasich in three other states, steve, which really highlights one of the big issues for the stop trump movement. no clear consensus behind a specific candidate. i've talked with many people in the stop trump movement, many pushing hard against the idea that they are in retreat. instead, telling us they're trying to pivot, be very strategic about which states they actually have a shot of stopping trump in, and that
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includes indiana and looking ahead to california, with nebraska possibly in the mix too. >> all right, hallie jackson in delaware with the trump campaign, thank you for that. when all the dust settles, the republican party's small pool of unbound delegates could end up being the king makers if if this goes to an open convention. they'll be free agents, they can vote for whoever they want to vote for on the first ballot. they can declare for a candidate now and change their minds in july if they want to, and pennsylvania is the heart of the unbound delegates. no other state has more unbound delegates than you'll find in the keystone state. 54 of them coming out of that state in the primary next week. and pennsylvania is of course where we find msnbc's delegate hunter. jacob soboroff. jacob, we're trying to do scenarios, what if trump wins here, if cruz wins here, trying to see if trump can get to 1,237. this is probably the single
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biggest wild card on the board. you've been talking to them. what are you finding? >> there's almost no way to know which way the unbound delegates are going to go. even if they pledge to a trump or cruz or kasich, they can still show up at the republican national convention in cleveland in july and vote for whoever they want on the first ballot, which is why the stop trump movement is working so hard to get them over to their side, at least pledging over to their side. 17 delegates only are going towards the popular vote here. so the vast majority of the delegates in the state are unbound delegates, which means the popular vote doesn't mean as much as the unbound delegate vote means here. probably not something pennsylvanians want to hear, but an interesting thing to think about, donald trump has been critical of the unbound delegate system, particularly after getting his clock cleaned in colorado because he was
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out-organized by ted cruz. i asked them what they think of the contradiction of being a trump supporter and being an unbound delegate candidate. here's what they had to say. >> trump has been raling against the system as unfair. do you feel conflicted? >> no, not at all. he's an independent guy. he's running for president. we're running for delegate. he expects people to do their job. in pennsylvania, we have a unique system. >> so what's it like to run for something on behalf of a guy who doesn't even like the system? >> like you said, it's great to stand for something, otherwise you'll fall for nothing. i think trump is a great candidate. i like what he says, i think he gives us the best chance of beating hillary come november. >> so when it comes to the strategy of unbound delegates, we're seeing them make a shift. we're hearing the trump campaign, put out a slate of candidates for unbound delegates
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in the state. in every district, you can vote for your delegate and three of them will come from every district in the state. the donald trump campaign has made a course correction and is doing everything they can to recruit unbound delegates. >> jacob, thanks for that. speaking of the unbound delegates, let's turn to the big board here and show you just how important they can be. now keep in mind, one of the key things here is a lot of those unbound delegates, a lot on the list jacob was just showing you. what they're pledging, they will vote at the convention for whoever wins either the statewide primary in pennsylvania or whoever carries their congressional district in pennsylvania. and of course donald trump, the polls are showing right now is well positioned to win statewide and probably most and maybe even on a good day, all of the congressional districts in pennsylvania. so keep that in mind. let's run through the rest of the states right now, we'll put these aside. these are the 54 unbound.
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we'll come back to them at the end of this. but let's look at the rest of the map. 1,237, that's the number trump needs to break. he's coming into tuesday with 845, according to estimates. let's say he can get the heart of -- the bulk of maryland's, delaware's winner take all, rhode island looks good. he could add a hundred to his total this coming tuesday. again, we're putting the unbound aside for right now. let's say he gets out of next week, gets out of april with 945. these are all the states that are left, trying to get to 1,237. indiana, it's a state trump could win. but let's say he falls short. there's a big price to pay if you fall short. say he only gets six delegates, that's possible if you lose.
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then you're at 951 if you're trump. what else in the month of may? he's going to do very well, we think in west virginia. washington, oregon, they're proportional. maybe 64 between those states, ending may possibly with 1,015. then one day left. and nebraska is a winner take all, looks like a cruz state. then one day left for the rest of the states. these are winner take all that looks like cruz states. new jersey looks like trump. this is proportional. trump could get some there. california, the big wild card, it's basically by congressional district. let's say trump got 120 out of california, proportional out of new mexico and got the winner take ought in new jersey, where would that take him? it would take him to about 1,197. you say, he's short, didn't hit the magic number. we got the open convention. he's 40 short. but remember, we put them aside, the unbound delegates from
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pennsylvania. donald trump gets through the process, loses indiana, he's 40 short. but if he wins pennsylvania on tuesday, if he wins it big, if he wins most congressional districts and the unbound delegates who are saying we will honor the will of the voters in the state, the will of the voters in our district, if 40 of those 54 stick to that word and go with donald trump, he's got the numbers. because 1,197. you add 40 to that, and what do you have? 1,237. donald trump would hit the magic number. this is a critical block of delegates whenever you talk about 1,237. keep that in mind on tuesday. two different elections there in pennsylvania. let me catch my breath after that. that's the situation with the map and the math. let's turn back now to the stop trump movement. a stop trump movement that may be hitting some speed bumps here. outside groups airing ads against trump, they spend nothing in new york. they spent 19,000 in next week's
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contest. and now this, new poll, indiana, key state for the stop trump movement. trump up six points right now. they've found little support from reince priebus. he spoke to party leaders in florida today, urging the warring factions to come together. >> it is essential to victory in november that we all support our candidate. this goes for everyone, whether you're a county party chairman, an rnc member, or a presidential candidate. politics is a team sport. and we can't win unless we rally around whoever becomes our nominee. >> and i'm joined now by ken blackwell, senior adviser to the most prominent anti-trump group. they're out with a new memo today addressed on members of the rnc. it reads, quote, it's not too late. as republican leaders it's critical that you do everything in your power to prevent donald trump from being our party's standard bearer. ken, thanks for taking a few
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minutes. you say it's not too late. let me ask you, here's a dilemma for a republican voter who is watching this and saying, i'm not nuts about trump, i don't want him to be the nominee, i want to stop him, there are two opponents for donald trump still in the race -- kasich, cruz. what do you tell that republican who wants to stop donald trump? which one of them should they be voting for? >> i tell them to keep their eyes and ears on the convention. in fact, make a decision after the party activists and the party leaders make a decision on the floor of the convention. look, i think you misrepresented the -- our principal's effort here. the fact of the matter here, what we want to do is to force an issue of having an open and contested convention. the only way that you do that is by making sure that donald trump does not get to 1,237. >> ken, i understand that point.
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that's the purpose of my question. we just put that poll up from indiana. donald trump right now would win indiana, if that poll is right, with just 37% of the vote and with that, he would take the lion's share of 57 delegates, which would put him on a great path to hit 1,237. so look at second place there up, ted cruz, john kasich. add them together. if you do that, you beat trump. so if your interest is to stop donald trump, who should they be voting for? >> let me work you back. one the 54 pennsylvania. they are still in play. information will continue to come over the counter to those folks right up until the convention floor. they, in fact, have to pull the lever, punch the card, raise their hand for a standard bearer that can win. the reality is this, at the end of the day, this is going to play out all the way through
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california. if in fact trump pulls a rabbit out of the hat and gets to 1,237 or more, he's the nominee. but i don't think he's going to get there. which means that this is going to be in the hands of the folks. >> but isn't the divided opposition, cruz and kasich, you got cruz left wisconsin saying that's the game-changer. kasich should get out of the way. i'm the main alternative. now we saw kasich beat cruz for second place in new york and kasich looks like he'll beat him for second in most if not all the states next week. then you look at indiana, the best thing trump has going for him there is divided opposition. >> and let's say that opposition is not divided when they get to the floor. while, in fact, it might be hard for some people to imagine, if in fact the way that you stop trump, you put together a ticket that can win in november and that is, you know, the two remaining candidates, cruz and
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kasich, all of a sudden you in fact have a ticket. these guys are going to be very, very pragmatic once they get to the floor. but you can't have that sort of pragmatism until you get to the floor and have an open contested convention. >> is that gonna be -- >> the fact of the matter, steve, let me just say this. donald trump and paul. paul is a buddy. what they're basically doing is what is the equivalent of dusty baker going out to the refs in the fifth inning and saying, i want to change the strike zone. that's crazy. the reality is, you have to get to 1,237. if you don't get there, it's an open process and everybody's going to work and play their best game. and i'm just telling you, i think that we have folks who are assembled that can, in fact, work a game that can get us a ticket that's a true standard bearing ticket for the republican party. here you had trump this week
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attack the republican party platform. you had trump this week talk about raising taxes. here you have trump this week basically continuing his assault against women. this is a contest. and we in fact are going to carry it to him. >> okay, but i'm going to ask you one more time here. because i'm looking at. you want to stop him from getting 1,237. we just showed the map and the math. if you win indiana, whoever you are, you're going to get the bulk of those 57 delegates. that's huge in terms of the battle for 1,237. trump is leading in indiana right now and it looks like the divided opposition beneath him, split vote between kasich and cruz is a big source of that. i'm asking you, your interest is denying trump 1,237. in indiana, who should they be going with? who should the stop trump people be lining up with -- cruz or kasich? >> anybody but trump.
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the reality is that trump is not going to win indiana. he's not going to win indiana. the poll is the poll. that's a snapshot in time. he doesn't have a serious ground game in indiana. he, in fact, is veering away from the issue sentiment of the republican party and the conservative movement in indiana. the reality is, what he said about religious liberty this week, what he said about raising taxes this week, that matters. his attack on the very people that have to go out there and win for the republican party in november, this guy has been attacking. >> all right, ken blackwell -- >> and he can't change his stripes. he can't change his stripes. >> ken blackwell, thanks for the time. appreciate it. ahead this hour, we'll look at the veepstakes, the candidates pondering potential runningimates. some surprise names being floated about. and new information from the investigation into prince's sudden death. stay tuned. if you misplace your discover card,
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five states are going to head to the polls this tuesday for presidential primaries. a total of 172 republican primaries up for grabs in connecticut, delaware, maryland, pennsylvania, and rhode island. trump, cruz, kasich, are all pounding the pavement, but how much ad money is being spent? interestingly enough, the money doesn't match the expected results. check out the numbers. cruz leads the way in ad spending on the republican side. $622,000 of campaign money on ad buys tr those five contests next week. most of his fire focused on pennsylvania, the biggest state up for grabs. kasich's super pac is in for 254 grand. they're on the air waves in connecticut and maryland. and at the bottom of the list, donald trump, the expected winner of all five of those states, he's spending just 63,000 bucks on ads in pennsylvania. why does this matter? at least in this cycle, more ad spending has not always equalled
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>> i love prince because he put out great music, and he was a great performer. this morning we played "purple rain" and "delirious." >> today president obama spoke about music legend prince as fans across the globe wait for answers about his untimely death. a steady stream of fans continue to pay tribute outside of paisley park, that's the estate where prince lived, and also recorded so many of his hits and where he died yesterday at the age of 57. a few miles away, the medical examiner and police are working to determine what caused his death. autopsy results are expected to be released in the coming days. now the carver county sheriff spoke to the press just a short time ago. he said there were no obvious signs of trauma. nbc's blake mccoy is outside the sheriff's office in suburban minneapolis. so, blake, the sheriff spoke
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about maybe a little bit of what we know so far. what have we learned so far in this investigation? >> reporter: well, you mentioned no signs of trauma. he also said they do not believe this is a suicide. so as to a cause of death, what that leaves, accidental death of some kind, or natural death of some kind. but beyond just not a suicide and no signs of trauma, there was no speculation. we do know the autopsy was completed around 1:00 local time today. the physical autopsy. what they're waiting for now is toxicology results. in the press conference, he did address slightly rumors that have been circulating online that perhaps it was a drug overdose. what he talked about there was that his officers do carry narcan, which is used to combat opiate overdoses. he said first responders here in carver county do have narcan at their dispossposal on them at a times and it was not used in the case of prince.
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read into that what you will. he also said there were no 911 calls from that residence anytime in the last year. the last time prince was seen alive was 8:00 p.m. wednesday night. an acquaintance dropped him off and he was alone, as far as we know. his staff couldn't get a hold of him. they went to check and that's when they found him unresponsive in the elevator. the big thing we're looking for is the toxicology results to come back. that's what it will take to complete the report which would then be released to the public. that could take several weeks. meanwhile, the mourning continues, as well as the celebration of prince, more dance parties being planned here as more people look back on this icon of music. >> blake mccoy, thank you for that. in a note, msnbc will air a special edition of "dateline" on prince, life and death of an
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tonight only on msnbc, a new documentary taking a close look at hillary clinton's historic career in politics, from her early influences in college, to her run for the white house. here's a preview. >> january 20th, 1993, hillary rodham-clinton's long ago vision
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we desperately need a game-changing pick, and none of these middle aged white guys are game-changers. >> that was the 2012 movie "game change" a dramatized look at the vp selection process for the republican ticket that year. mccain/palin. the take-away, vetting is key. today a new report urging the process to begin sooner rather than later. already speculation is running wild in these veepstakes. >> if you're the nominee, real politically speaking, it's out of question for you to choose a woman as your running mate? >> absolutely not. absolutely not. >> really? >> absolutely not. >> is it at all realistic if you get the nomination, you could call on this man, lying ted, to be your vice presidential running mate? >> crazy things happen in politics. i will say that. i've seen things happen that are pretty crazy. >> clinton told our own rachel maddow that she wouldn't rule out two women on one presidential ticket. her campaign manager confirmed
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that women are in the running for the number two spot on a clinton-led ticket. right now, the unofficial totally speculative list of clinton picks is long and diverse. hud secretary julian castro. an elizabeth warren pick could bridge the divide between clinton and sanders supporters. that comes with an asterisk. senator warren hasn't endorsed anybody yet. and trump isn't ruling anybody out. he said, i do mike marco. i do like kasich. i like walker actually in a lot of ways. there are people i like, but i don't think they like me, because i have hit them hard. no one has won the nomination and with multiple scenarios, that means multiple vetting processes before that convention. joining me now, two
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contributors, anita dunn and ben ginsburg. thank you both for being here. so ben, let me start with you. we played the clip from the mccain -- the movie about the mccain-palin clip. i think mccain wanted to make a splash, he was running from behind. i think back 1984, walter mondale wanted to make a splash, went with geraldine ferraro. then there was issues with her family finances. there's a common thread there. how do you balance that as a candidate when you want to get some bang out of this pick, but at the same time, you got the risk that comes with it. >> well, as this report, that the bipartisan policy center did, both democrats and republicans point out, you have to start early and build that into the process from the beginning. so when you compile your large list, like the one for miss
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clinton, you would have some wild picks in there too, some ones that are out of the box. >> practically speaking, for hillary clinton right now, bernie sanders is saying, this thing isn't over. ip going to win next week, take it to california, i may even spend the summer trying to win this thing. if you're clinton, do you risk backlash if you begin the vetting process now? >> i think what the bipartisan policy report shows is that both hillary clinton and bernie sanders should be beginning their processes now, as should the three republican candidates who are contesting their party's nomination, that you can't wait until the end of the process to begin the process, or else you risk having a problematic vice presidential nominee, instead of really having voters look at your first presidential level decision, which is who you picked and what the criteria were used, how you picked them. on the two women on the ticket, though, there's some precedent
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for having two people of the same gender on the ticket. we've had two men for a number of years. over 200 of them. so -- >> we will reach the point hopefully soon where it's not noteworthy if it's two of the same gender in the other gender. but let me ask you this, anita, practically speaking, let's say you're an ambitious politician who would like to be part of one of these tickets nationally and you have bernie sanders and hillary clinton doing their vetting. on the republican side, you have trump, and cruz ask cand kasichg this. if bernie sanders calls you and says, i want to put you through the process, do you run a risk if i say yes to bernie sanders and hillary clinton hasn't asked me, am i going to appear disloyal to the hillary clinton camp and endanger my chances of making her ticket? >> that's a great question and one that we doesn't discuss. but i guess as just a political analyst, i would say it's a confidential process. and one of the things we did
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stress in the report is the need for all of this to be very confidential for as long as possible. and if i were an aspiring politician and i got a call from bernie sanders, i would probably say, well, you know, i'm happy to have the beginning of this discussion, but understand, you know, right now, if i haven't endorsed anybody, that i'm still waiting and if the senator is still interested in moving forward, understanding i haven't endorsed him, then let's have a discussion. but i think by this point, people have endorsed candidates and that generally speaking, campaigns are going to look for their people from those who have supported them during the primary. >> and a bit of news here maybe on the veepstakes front. get used to reports like this over the next few months. but marco rubio, we mentioned donald trump said nice things about him, in talking about a potential vp. rubio telling univision this afternoon, not ruling out the idea of being the number two candidate, the vice presidential candidate on the republican side this year. but that gets me to the
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particular issue with trump, that trump raised in his own quote. trump has said nasty things about marco rubio, about scott walker, even about john kasich. but he's said so many inflammatory things, is it going to be hard to get somebody willing to go down the road to talk about being his vice presidential candidate? >> i don't think so. i think if the campaign does its research right and takes a look in the initial stages of about who is compatible with donald trump's policy positions, then it becomes pretty easy to patch things up around a unified winner. and in fact, even if there's been some nasty rhetoric between people, the classic, historical approach is to hug your enemies as you go to unify a party and win in november. >> we're talking about the open convention scenario. i'm remembering back in 1976, this was the gambit for ronald reagan to try to steal the
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convention from gerald ford. are you expecting to see any maneuvers like that from maybe a cruz or kasich over the next few months? >> possibly. it's a really interesting tactical question for the candidates. is it helpful to name a vice presidential candidate if it looks like it's a contested convention? is it helpful to name them in the period between june 8th and the july 18th start of the convention? or is that something you want to keep in your pocket, to be able to win over delegates in the heat of a contested convention? makes it really difficult to do the vetting process right, but hopefully this report gives some suggestions on how to do both. >> all right, i bet george mcgovern, wherever he is, wished he had had that back in 1972. anyway, thank you both for the time. we'll be back with the lid right after this. stay tuned. . a deluge of digital records. x-rays, mris.
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time out with the latest top 100 issues recognizing titans, icons and artists. i'll have to check to see if i made that list. i have a feeling i didn't. trump's got the hat back. he's feeling the energy off of this new york win. we had ken blackwell on from one of these stop trump groups. the thing that jumped out about the interview is it underscored the problem of the stop trump movement. you want to stop trump, who do you vote for? he said don't vote for trump. that seems like the biggest problem here. we're in the middle of april, late april, we still don't have an alternative from the stop trump movement. >> the house is absolutely divided within the republican party. that's part of the reason the stomp trump campaign is important.
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this is not what we stand for as republicans. >> this idea -- do you think the stop trump movement has legs or have we hit a turning point? >> i think it has legs. i can't imagine a scenario where we get to the convention and the nine million or so people who have cast votes for donald trump will say i'm going to go with cruz or kasich. pretty much the math is in his favor. i think the gop is wed to trump as the candidate. >> we can show scenarios where trump comes short of 1237, usually it's not that short. it's 1195. if he's sitting there and 4, 500 ahead of cruz that's tough for cruz to come into the convention and take the nomination. >> it did start to feel like the
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climate was changing and there was more inevitability about trump. the stop trump people, the never trump people, are those people that don't turn out in the general election and that's how the republican party loses. >> or does that sentiment start to fade. that's one thing casey hunt is down there. she says she seems to be picking up more of an openness of trying to unite around trump. >> i'm skeptical of that. if you look at his negative numbers, they are off the charts. you have half of republican women saying they would not vote for trump. there probably would be a lower turn out. it's splitting the republican party. >> let's stipulation, the general election numbers are terrible.
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no republican wanted to think about voting for donald trump. he's clearly the favorite to be the nominee. is there capacity for self-invention where he might look different a few months from now. >> his whole appeal is his authenticity. that was off putting to people when it was said about romney. imagine how trump loyalists would feel if trump started presenting a different face. i don't see how that could happen. >> hasn't he before. >> the biggest barrier for donald trump isn't his positions but his attitude.
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that something we haven't seen change for the past 20, 30 years. >> yeah, that's the question too. can the tone change. how would the tone play against hillary clinton. what you hear from trump is i'm losing to her right now. i haven't started my attacks on hilla hillary clinton. >> this is a guy with 30 years of brash personality saying what's on his mind. the other thing with the republican party that's factor in this perception is how aggressive some of the trump supporters have been. you have delegates who are being targeted having their phones called, threats to their family. that makes you hesitant to come out and say i don't support this guy. hillary clinton is clearly trying to pivot to the general election. it got very heated here in new york.
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where does it go from here? >> sanders seems really dedicated to taking this thing straight straight on out until june. it's probably good for democracy that he does that. >> how much of an appetite is there for that? for the protracted fight now? >> i think eight million people vote for bernie sanders. you see what he's doing on the fund raising side and people are getting behind him. as long as he doesn't get too nasty, there's way to continue to run and to appease the people who have put so much support behind him while also putting a real fight into it. >> will he pull back from saying she's unqualified. will he pull back? >> i don't think those remarks were convincing to anyone supporting hillary clinton any way. i feel that further campaigning by bernie sanders will continue what he's done which will push the conversation farther left.
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the party that elected barack obama is probably okay with it. >> thank you for joining us. appreciate that. we'll be back monday with more mtp daily. "with all due respect" starts now. "all due respect" to the rnc, summer is coming. >> happy earth day. on the show, gop king of the hill. we remember the legacy of prince. first, republican parties spring meeting in hollywood, florida that wrapped up today with the talk by reince preibus. it was a private conversation

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