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primary. pennsylvania, maryland, delaware, connecticut and rhode island will vote on tuesday. there are a total of 462 delegates at stake in the democratic primaries and pennsylvania offers the biggest prize with a total of 210 delegates up for grabs. it's the state where the "new york times" is saying bernie sanders is under intense pressure to win to keep from falling even further behind. hillary clinton's already sizeable delegate lead stands at 1893 to sanders' 1198. to close that gap, sanders would have to overcome clinton's 13 point advantage in the latest pennsylvania polls. her 25 point polling edge in maryland. a record number of maryland voters have cast a ballot during eight days of early voting which ended on thursday. today, that's exactly where senator sanders is focusing his attention. he will attend a noon event in baltimore, then make a quick trip to delaware before returning back to baltimore this evening for a community conversation on young men of
color at a local church. meanwhile, hillary clinton is campaigning further north where she will make a stop in new haven, connecticut before heading to rhode island for a public organizing event just outside of providence. that's where we find nbc's kelly o'donnell with the clinton campaign in central falls, rhode island. it's a pretty small state in terms of delegates so what is happening for hillary clinton there and why do you think she's prioritizing it today? >> reporter: well, i think she wants to be in at least every state once to be able to touch down, talk to voters and check the box, so to speak. rhode island is different among the five states voting tuesday. all the others are closed primaries meaning only democrats can cast a ballot for clinton or sanders, and here in rhode island, where there is a greater proportion of unaffiliated or independent voters, more than half, this state allows on primary day for a voter to decide to affiliate in order to vote in one primary or the other. so there's an opportunity here
for bernie sanders, who tends to draw more from the independent voters. that's been a good base for him. so hillary clinton doesn't want to leave this territory unsort of matched by being here in person and you described it as you introduced our segment as an organizing event. that's one of the terms of art used in politics. there are rallies, get out the vote, and these are organizing. she will later this afternoon try to get people who will help to get others to go to the polls, get the word out, and because she tends to draw smaller crowds comparatively to bernie sanders, she can make it a bit more of an event where she's trying to engage the community to help her cause. in addition to hitting all the points i'm sure she will make as a part of her stump speech and ways she tailors issues for the region. because the states are relatively close, you called it the acela corridor, it is also an opportunity for candidates to visit more places and have more
opportunity to be seen and talked about in local communities. we have been here since very early this morning, many hours ahead of the clinton campaign, and have seen people in the neighborhood who have stopped by wanting to know when can they come, when can they sign up to be here, what sort of wait should they expect. it gives a bit of buzz in each communities so making quick stops in as many states as possible can be helpful to both campaigns. >> thank you very much. kelly o'donnell in central falls, rhode island. now i want to go to baltimore, maryland, where msnbc's chris jansing has been following the bernie sanders campaign. what are we expecting to hear from bernie in baltimore today? >> reporter: well, get out and vote. there's no doubt about that. one of his key messages has always been when the voters get out, when they exceed expectations, when they break records, he does better. when voter turnout is lower, he doesn't do as well. we need a really strong turnout in some key areas in the key state of pennsylvania, for
example. here in maryland, some people are questioning why is he even spending time here. it is one of the states that favored hillary clinton, yet he made a decision, the candidate made a decision himself, he wanted to be in all five states that are going to vote on tuesday. so he's spending the day here among the people with him, the former naacp head, the actor danny glover who has been a very vocal supporter. i just sat down minutes ago to talk to danny glover about what i hear when i talk to voters who are here for bernie sanders about the movement he's created. here's what danny glover told me. >> certainly creates another narrative about our relationship with citizens and i think that's important. active citizens, citizens that are not just active about the election and primaries but throughout the whole process of governance. i think it elevates the whole idea of citizenship, demotes the
ordinary citizen and i think this campaign reignited the possibilities that we have as citizens in having a voice in what happens and when determines our life. i think that's what that movement means. >> reporter: we are seeing here in baltimore what we have seen for so long with bernie sanders. this morning it was raining, yet there were hundreds of people standing in line four or five hours before the event that's going to happen this afternoon, waiting to get in, to hear what bernie sanders has to say. they are very aware of the fact the delegate math is against him. he has to win every state by at least 20 points. that remains in order for him to win the nomination outright. to danny glover's point, i think this becomes about is this about at this point trying to win the nomination or is it about what do you do with this movement that clearly has been created by bernie sanders. i asked, by the way, danny
glover would you support hillary clinton if bernie sanders is not the nominee. he wouldn't answer that question. >> interesting. all right. chris jansing in baltimore, thank you very much. appreciate it. now let's bring in my guests. with me in new york, miami radio host ferdinand amandi and alex seitz-wald. first on the danny glover question, that's the second celebrity for bernie sanders not willing to commit to hillary clinton. is this sort of pre-end of campaign hanging on to the candidate? what do you see there? >> i like to hope so. there was a lot of people in 2008 who said that if clinton didn't win, they were going to be bitter enders. i think in the end it was 12 women who -- 12 democratic women who didn't vote for obama. i think there was a lot more of those in polls who said they
weren't -- but i still think it is self-indulgent and irresponsible to pretend that the gap between hillary clinton and whoever her republican opponent is is not, you know, kind of light years larger than the gap between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. i also wish that sanders and his surrogates would stopper pe perpetuating the myth that he is more quote, unquote, electable than she is because of these one or two point advantages he has in the polls. it is so dishonest. they know as well as anybody knows that there has not been a single negative ad run against bernie sanders, not a single -- none of the skeletons of which there are some dragged out of his closet. people just don't know that much about him. the funny thing is that sanders' supporters in a way know this. when you ask them about the fact he does so poorly among african-americans, they will say that's just because this community doesn't know him. then when you say well then, his
negatives aren't factored into his polling, they will say oh, no, everybody knows everything already. the radicalism that some people on the far left really appreciate in bernie sanders would also i'm quite sure be his undoing when the full dimensions of it become really publicly known. >> let's talk about this sort of dimensions of the upcoming state, specifically. this is going into clinton territory in a lot of ways. let's take a look at where we are going. obviously the acela corridor states, midatlantic states, then indiana, then may 10th to nebraska. you see all the way down and you really have to wait until you get to california where you see a state where bernie sanders at least polling-wise is really competitive with hillary clinton. given that calendar, what would be the smart bernie sanders strategy, is it to keep going after hillary clinton, to try to bring her down and try to win some of these states or is it to sort of run through the calendar, let everybody vote, really pivot to a more positive
message? >> to be honest with you, we are all talking about april 26 and how bernie does in the five primaries. hillary will win them all. i don't think there's any question about that. the date that matters for bernie sanders is april 30th because that's when fund-raising reports come out. if he racises another $40 millin and his supporters keep giving him money, he will stay in until ma may. i think that's what his candidacy is about right now in terms of starting that movement potentially, sitting on a boatload of federal dollars he can then parcel out to sanders like candidates. if he starts to attack hillary, i think you will see the spigot cut off quicker. >> it's really interesting you mention that. let's look at the fund-raising between the campaigns. bernie sanders raised a ton of money, $182.2 million so far in outside super pacs supporting him raised about $604,000. hillary clinton campaign has raised $180 million and her
super pacs, about $64 million. a ton of money. if you just go through the calendar of the money that they are spending, because they are so much money to burn they are actually in states spending money even though hillary clinton had big leads in connecticut, sanders is spending $1.3 million in connecticut to hillary clinton's $746,000. rhode island, sanders outspending her almost two to one. $600,000 to her $263 ed$26300,0. so you are seeing just tremendous amounts of money being spent by the sanders campaign. is that money actually moving the polls so far? >> right. in every single state, bernie sanders is outspending clinton and significantly. on one hand he's got money coming in the door, you have to do something with it. it's also part of this revolution building as he puts it. you want to get your message out to people in all these states. also, remember the democratic primary allocates delegates
proportionally. even if he loses every one of these states, he might win rhode island and lose the other four, he's still got to wash that margin to make sure clinton doesn't completely blow him away. that's why you are seeing him spend time today in maryland even though he's almost certain to lose there, and pennsylvania obviously the big prize. if he is still trying to keep a path that could potentially get him to the nomination with some kind of crazy huge win in california, he's got to keep those margins as limited as possible in these other states. is it moving poll numbers? you know, he's spent a lot of money in new york. he pretty much doubled hillary clinton there, spent $5.6 million, did not obviously pull out a win in new york and fell significantly short. but there's only so much you can do at this point when you have these primaries stacked on top of each other so much, you can't really build out an effective ground game and get field organizers out there. he's running a tv campaign. that's pretty much his only option. >> the "washington post" has a piece out that talks about sort of sanders kind of ending with
hillary clinton. saying her platform will determine whether or not or how much or how vigorously he would actually campaign for her. you follow the clinton campaign. is the clinton campaign becoming irritated by the sort of reticence not only of sanders supporters like danny glover but the sanders campaign itself to say it would sign on with her if he doesn't win? >> yeah. there has been a lot of eye-rolling in brooklyn and a little bit of hair pulling as well with the way the sanders campaign has been talking about hillary clinton recently. it's been going on for awhile but as the delegate lead stacks up, especially after new york, they keep waiting for as they view it, the sanders people to come to their senses and kind of get behind the nominee or the likely nominee, hillary clinton, and that so far just hasn't happened. you are starting to hear her surrogates say he's aiding and abetting donald trump or ted cruz in helping win the republican nomination. they are saying that he's damaging hillary clinton. i haven't seen a lot of evidence
to support that quite yet. but the further we go on, the more he keeps doing this, it definitely becomes a problem. the issue for them is they really need bernie sanders. he sort of has the cards here. he has these young people he's winning 85-15. you can't win the presidency without young people as a democrat. hillary clinton so far does not have them. she will really need him to come into her camp and get his people on board with her. >> isn't that really the problem? she's got the parts the democratic party needs in terms of minority voters and he has young voters. they actually need each other. >> she's also got something a lot of young people don't want to vote for. that's donald trump. the polls suggest there's no puma problem like you mentioned which was the -- what we see here is what is bernie trying to accomplish. he's out and i think it's interesting because hillary is in the unique position of knowing exactly where he stands. she was exactly where she was in
2008 with obama gotten the delegate math advantage. i think she will try to keep it positive and friendly and hopefully get the e-mail list. that's one thing bernie has that everybody wants. >> there's one big difference which is that there is an idealogical gap between hillary and bernie. she never wanted to get idealogical concessions from obama. it actually does make a certain amount of sense for bernie to hold out and say i want platform concessions because there are actual places where he wants to see the democratic party move, move to a $15 an hour minimum wage. there are a number of things in which it's smart for him to exercise the leverage that he does have. >> yeah. i think it's also, there is something to be said for allowing the calendar to play out. new york counted this year. might as well let california count, too. don't go anywhere. up next, how prince helped make everybody want their mtv.
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from the moment prince burst on to the scene with his first album in 1978, followed by a self-titled record in 1979, the visual component of each album felt as powerful as the music, which partly is why the cultural icon made such a stunning visual impact at the dawn of the music video era. and the channel that used to primarily play music videos, mtv. prince was an mtv giant with dozens of videos in heavy rotation during the channel's formative years, bringing sexy, psychedelic and seriously cool images to screens everywhere. here's one of my favorites. "raspberry beret." ♪ the kind you find in a second-hand store ♪ >> thanks to that song and little red corvette, one of the first songs by an
african-american musician to make it into the mtv lineup, prince helped break the channel's early color barrier when few black artists got air time. a void the late great david bowie pointed out when he turned the tables on an mtv interviewer in 1983. >> i would like to ask you something. it occurred to me having watched mtv over the last few months that it's a solid enterprise but it's got a lot going for it. i am appalled by the fact there are so few black artists featured on it. why is that? >> joining me now is pop culture expert alicia quarles and alan light, author of "let's go crazy, prince and the making of purple rain." thank you for being here. we were talking about how obsessed i was with music videos. let's talk about that. i grew up on music videos. when mtv first came out they
really did not play black artists. what role did prince play in bringing that barrier down? >> he was a big part of breaking that wall, kicking that door down and changing things for mtv. their policy at first was we are like a rock and roll station, like an fm radio station. this is what we are doing. we aren't playing all kinds of music, we aren't playing country music. r & b really isn't part of what it is -- >> prince was a rock and roll artist. >> and the video that really broke prince through on mtv was "little red corvette." of course it had the famous guitar solo that really positioned him inside of that world. similarly, and it's fascinating because they came out almost the same day as singles, "beat it" with eddie van halen's solo. those were really the breakthroughs that said well, these guys are kind of okay to try to fit into the mix next to van halen. >> interesting. you think about run dmc, you really did have -- were artists
consciously trying to add a rock component to get on mtv? >> with prince, that was obviously part of what he was doing. i think moving that, certainly by the time of "purple rain" there was a very conscious decision by prince to say i'm not going to be this crazy studio wizard working alone, i'm going to be a guy fronting a rock and roll band, playing a guitar with a mixed band behind. i'm going to really reach out to new audiences. there's ways i need to position myself. >> he played 27 instruments. so he was truly positioned. interesting, because you are from the younger generation. we let you represent the young people. it's interesting that mtv really isn't that anymore. there isn't the visual reference anymore. have music videos kind of lost their relevancy? >> they have. as you were saying when you were young, there was nowhere to find a music video until mtv. now you can find it everywhere. you can go to your instagram and get a quick clip. you can go online. it doesn't have the same power. also in the days of prince and
michael jackson, these videos were telling a story. they were productions. also back then, labels had money. record labels don't have the same kind of money to pour into the videos. >> you also have with prince, you obviously interviewed him and been to many many of his shows, he brought that onstage. it wasn't just the videos. the videos at the time were where you saw theatrics. >> when you saw him live, he brought it every single time. his genius on many levels, one of them in constructing his image. that's why he put out "purple rain." he wanted to put out the image of being the complete showman. >> two things about prince that really separate him. one is he was obsessed with old hollywood movies, with the old studio system. he would read books about the old movie moguls. he loved movies from the '30s and the way he built his universe like a studio system in minneapolis with all the other acts and people he could work with, he was very tied into that tradition.
the other thing that's amazing, i remember talking to alan leads, his road manager, and he says he remembers prince played him a new album whichever one, and as he was first playing it to him, he was describing the video for each song. he said what i rooealized was f me a video was something you did after the song was done. for prince, the sound and the visual all came to him together. he saw this as a totality. he really came from a different place when it came to finding the visual expression for the music. it was all interconnected. >> did mtv understand the debt they owed to people like prince and michael jackson? not only did they make mtv more popular, they also really in a lot of ways reinvented the genre. you talk about things like "thriller." prince doing a full individuvid "purple rain." >> you wouldn't have had "purple rain" without michael jackson doing the "thriller" video.
he was saying you can take a song and extend that into a longer treatment. prince was saying let's think about that as an album and take a whole album and make a story and a visual around that. it was this expansion. i think, look, once mtv realized they had these kind of franchise artists, those guys, madonna, springsteen, some of these acts, they put a lot of their chips, lot of their promotion, lot of what they built that network on, was the work of these signature artists who were doing that work. >> how important was that to prince, making sure the visual element was as striking as the music? >> incredibly important. look at prince. he wanted to look the part. talking about the old studio system, he based his career around, no hair was ever out of place. look at beyonce. when she drops an album she doesn't just drop an album, she drops a music video with each song. >> or 17. >> exactly. prince was the innovator of that. what artists are doing in 2016, prince was doing in 1983.
>> the visual, you know, there were days i was with prince where he would do three costume changes on a day he didn't have a show. he never let that image, never let that positioning of himself, never turned that off. it was the visual, it was the performance, it was the music, it was the style. >> it was everything. >> after that, we could go on all day. when i saw prince, he comes into the room and he says, he introduces himself, he's standing over all of us and says i'll be back, y'all, i have to go change my outfit. he left to change his outfit and came back. that's who prince was. >> i wonder if because we are all sort of grasping for whether or not this sort of iconography will repeat itself, is there an artist, you mentioned beyonce, who is doing that entire visual and auditory package the way prince did? >> lady gaga is trying to do it. in the fact she's always changing who she is and what she's doing. every artist tries to do it
because that's how you survive and have longevity. but no, we will never have another prince, another michael jackson. it was a different era. i think some of the mystery is gone with social media. you can catch your local celebrity at the duane reed on your camera phone. >> some of this is the incredible explosion around "thriller" and "purple rain" and "born in the usa" and what happened after mtv kicked in. that was the last time everybody agreed about music. everybody loved "purple rain." club kids, rock kids, black and white. that was the moment things got so big that the center couldn't really hold anymore. after that it starts fragmenting and you have hip-hop kids here and country music here and pop music and they become self-sufficient economies where you can be a really big star but somebody over here never hears of you. taylor swift can sell millions and millions of records and there are people who kind of know that name but don't know
who that is. that's what prince and michael transformed. >> we could really do this all day long. thank very much. all right. make sure you do tune in tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc for "prince, life and death of an icon." up next, guess who is hating on harriet tubman being on the $20 bill? ♪ the nissan rogue with intuitive all-wheel drive. take on the unexpected.
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known for organizing the trail of tears that forced migration of tens of thousands of native americans resulting in several thousand deaths. jackson will have to take a seat on the back of the $20 bill so abolitionist icon harriet tubman, mastermind of the underground railroad that led an estimated 100,000 slaves to freedom can grace the front. yeah. that sounds about right. majority of americans agree with the decision but only 34% of republicans concur. some prominent conservatives wasted no time in speaking out against this injustice to jackson's legacy. >> well, andrew jackson had a great history and i think it's very rough when you take somebody off the bill. i think it's pure political correctness. >> andrew jackson was a tremendous secretary -- i mean, a tremendous president. i love harriet tubman. i love what she did. but we can find another way to honor her. maybe a $2 bill. >> we could put a woman on a
bill. tubman. acknowledge her courage. but give tubman her own bill like a $25 bill. we could use a $25 bill. >> nope. nope. nope. creating a new currency to honor an american woman of significance, what a great idea. why didn't we think of that sooner? oh, right. that already happened. i'm just going to take a shot in the dark and say you probably don't have any susan b. anthony dollars in your wallet. deciding who goes on our currency does not create or erase history. it is a distinction for americans who contributed to the progress of this country who reflect the values we hold dear today. with this move, secretary lew is changing the public's idea of who is worthy of this distinction. it's a symbolic step but an important one. up next, hillary clinton courts gun reform advocates. a look at how big a factor will be in the election. show me movies with romance.
i am not here to make promises i can't keep. i am here to tell you i will use every single minute of every day if i'm so fortunate enough to be your president looking for ways that we can save lives, that we can change the gun culture. i was in the senate. i voted against it. my opponent, senator sanders, voted for it. and what that has done is to basically prevent anyone like families from sandy hook, like families from the aurora movie theater murders, from trying to inject some common sense requirements that people who make and sell guns be held to. >> hillary clinton has made gun reform a major component of her campaign. this thursday she held a town
hall meeting in hartford, connecticut that included the families of some of the victims of the 2012 massacre at sandy hook elementary school. clinton has been sharply critical of a 2005 law shielding gun manufacturers from being sued over crimes committed with their products. as clinton often points out, senator sanders voted for that law. now, some sandy hook families are suing anyway, claiming gun makers are negligent in marketing semiautomatic rifles to the civilian population. so far their lawsuit has been allowed to continue in spite of that 2005 law. this week, a state judge set a trial date for april 2018. joining me back with me are fernand and alex. how potent do you think the gun issue, gun reform issue, will be in the democratic primary? >> extraordinarily potent. it's one of the issues hillary clinton has been able to draw blood against bernie sanders. you see it in maybe their difficult and tricky way of answering questions. you always see him come back and saying we have our d-minus
rating from the nra. but on this issue, particularly around sandy hook, which i think was the one incident that shook america out of its doldrums on gun control. now you see the very manufacturers that they say the marketing effort's behind this, try to create this gun that just came across as a military grade rifle for public use. you see them now claiming immunity behind that. you see them impacting the start of the trial, a trial a lot of folks are saying why is it taking six, seven, eight years after the fact for this trial to happen. i think it's hurt the sanders campaign. >> to that point, i did ask jeff weaver earlier, campaign manager for the sanders campaign, about whether or not the candidate is willing to repudiate his vote on the 2005 law. take a listen to what he said. does bernie sanders stand by his 2005 vote disallowing liability lawsuits against the gun industry? just asking about bernie sanders right now. >> right. as i said, he is supporting legislation in the senate that would repeal those parts -- >> so he repudiates that vote?
he repudiates his vote in 2005? >> there were things in that legislation which were good. for instance, banning cop killer bullets. providing child safety locks. so there are parts of that bill which were positive and parts of the bill that were negative. >> can that work? can they parse it and say essentially now he's for allowing the suits to go forward and there were parts of the bill that were good? is that enough of an answer? >> you know what the answer reminds me of? remember in 2008 when hillary was running on was the war in iraq a mistake? instead of saying it was a mistake, i think that answer may be torpedoed her from catching barack obama just like this answer. it's a repudiation or it's not. this is what's at the center of this trial around the sandy hook issue. if he says it was a mistake and comes back, it's a non-issue, they can move on. the fact they are parsing answers is hurting them and continues to do so. >> alex, let's talk about the pivot that the sanders campaign does make, really sort of asking hillary clinton to answer for some things as well. this is bernie sanders talking to nbc's andrea mitchell about
the gun issue and this is his pivot. take a listen. >> i would ask secretary clinton to tell us all about the legislation that she introduced when she was a member of the united states senate on gun reform, on gun safety. i don't believe there were any. and ask her why way back in 2008 when she was running against then senator obama, he referred to her as annie oakley because she criticized him for not being sensitive to second amendment needs. >> alex, to that point, back in 2008 when hillary clinton faced very different electoral circumstances and a different constituency against barack obama, she did sort of do the annie oakley thing. does the clinton campaign have any concern that there may actually be an opening for bernie sanders on that issue of guns, saying hillary clinton really hasn't done much on the issue and she tried to sort of portray herself in annie oakley in 2008? >> it was almost the same point in the primary process, in the pennsylvania primary that that audio leaked of obama talking
about people clinging to their guns and religion that she went after him on that. i think what sanders is trying to do is muddy the water a little bit. i don't think he will convince people that he is stronger on guns just that maybe she's not as strong as she claims she is. i think it's a pretty good response from the sanders campaign but it's a little too late. she's been attacking him on guns since iowa. it's been one of her top issues. he's never really had a good response. never really wanted to talk about it. and now that he's ramping up his rhetoric across the board, he found a good response to it. it will make things uncomfortable for him in connecticut, regardless of how big of an issue politically it is. he's going to be asked about it all the time. very personal issue for the residents there. i think for the clinton people, it's also an effective attack on him on authenticity, beyond just the policy. he presents himself as a guy who has been pure on all the issues, always stood up to big special
interests and they are saying wait a minute, go back to vermont, when guns were the big special interest in vermont, he was kind of wishy-washy on that and has only now come around to turning around that law. so they can kind of muddy the water but i don't think they are going to effectively convince anyone, especially when it comes six months after clinton first launched this attack. >> how hard is the clinton campaign going on this issue in connecticut? >> huge. this is the centerpiece of their campaign. they have been laying the groundwork for months there. the governor is a big clinton ally. the senator blumenthal has been going after bernie sanders on guns for months. they were the go-to people whenever clinton wanted to attack sanders on guns, she turned to her allies in connecticut. now the race has come to connecticut and this is the ads they are running on tv there, this is the message she is doing with these town halls, and it's really the closing argument that she's chosen ahead of that tuesday primary. >> really quickly, i want to make a pivot. danny glover, chris jansing
interviewed him earlier. we saw it not too long ago. he essentially would not say that he would support hillary clinton if bernie sanders is not the nominee. your thoughts? >> i think about what patton oswald said when they asked him the question. he's a sanders supporter. he said if hillary wins, will you vote for her in the general? he said of course, because i'm not a stupid child. he said we have to unite against the enemy of the two psychopaths, his words. we will see pressure mount to sanders holdouts who may not want to rally behind hillary clinton in the general. >> we actually have that clip. let's listen. >> of course i think he could win. i'm out here believing he could win and believing that his voice matters and that our voice matters. i think that that is the most important thing for me, that we begin, when we talk about a movement, it certainly doesn't start or stop with bernie sanders. it's a continuation of the movement for justice, real justice and real change.
>> i ask the question to you, alex, how concerned is the clinton campaign that there is a small but famous contingent of bernie sanders supporters who are not seeming to be prepared to rally around the nominee in november? >> yeah. it's a real concern, absolutely. sanders always talks about how he's bringing all these new people into the political process which is true. their concern is he will push these people back out of the political process before he exits himself. >> thank you very much. fernand is sticking around. we have so much more when we come back. you live life your way. we can help you retire your way, too. financial guidance while you're mastering life. from chase. so you can.
don't fall for directv. xfinity lets you download your shows from anywhere. i used to like that song. ncht all right. who won the week? let's find out. the show between the shows is a whole different show. all right, robert george, who won the week? >> hillary clinton. both trump and hillary had big, big wins in their home states of new york. but hillary some of the exit polls looked like it was going to be single digit win over bernie sanders, but 60 digits is a really -- and it was very clear she was working hard. she was going around every part of the state. she came into the daily news for her editorial board meeting and made a strong contrast to bernie sanders interview which did not go so well. >> to say the least. >> and she now looks very --
like very, very strong. sanders, you know, is looking shaky. and it's looking to be like a hillary versus trump race. >> it's interesting how new york sort of showed you the kind of difference between rally organizing and organizing organizing. sort of a triumph of campaign organizing that hillary clinton was able to pull out this. who won the week? >> clear cut winner of the week was new york values. forget about it. forget about it. >> oh, yes, yes. >> no presidential candidate will ever use it as an epithet again as ted cruz learned more than anybody else. >> you're absolutely right. and the bronx was so important. i never heard the bronx referred to more, given more love in the history of living in new york and also having living in florida, which is the sixth borough. it's still new york but i think new york definitely won big time. michelle, who won the week? >> i'm going to agree with robert. it was obviously hillary clinton and trump. i mean, for hillary clinton the victory was, i mean, obviously very important in terms of her
delegate math. and also i think very important for the morale of her supporters. i mean, e wrote in slate that until her victory i had assumed my entire neighborhood was for bernie. if you live in brooklyn, if you live in a lot of these places the enthusiasm for bernie, the bernie paraphernalia is everywhere. hillary supporters feel a little bit cowed, a little bit defensive. i was positive he was going to sweep my neighborhood in brooklyn. i looked at that neighborhood by neighborhood delegate -- or that neighborhood by neighborhood electoral map the "new york times" put out and she won overwhelmingly. i think it goes to what you said about the difference between these big rallies and actually kind of building support at the very granular level. >> i want to go to my pollster because you did see in the map michelle is talking about that hillary clinton actually won the district in which the rallies took place including the one in washington square park. so people came to these rallies and in that district she actually won. what is that saying about the
democratic electorate? is it the hillary voter is a more cowed but not out for public. >> i don't know that but i know it's the back that broke this sanders campaign. how much time and effort did he spend -- bernie sanders knew the importance of placing in new york. if he didn't win it had to be a close victory. i think when we look back on it whether the rallies had an impact or not, i know that hillary clinton, i think, put this thing aware here in the empire state. >> i would also quickly say i think hillary clinton would have won regardless, but i do think new york's registration rules had a bit of play. if you wanted to switch parties into the democratic party, you had to do that last october. so a lot of these -- sanders had been building up momentum, but a lot of people who might have been independent found out they couldn't vote for bernie sanders. but again, i think that was maybe only a couple extra points. >> that's close to. i'll throw this to the table, we're picking a democratic
nominee or republican nominee so only people willing to sign up for the party should be willing to vote in it. >> i think that's why there's a movement under foot calling it open primaries across the country. the question then becomes do you see tactical strategic voting. people who are independents say i don't want this guy to run in that party so i may cast my vote the other way or not. there's been no scientific evidence of that at least in the polling, but it does play a factor going forward in states like new york or even florida. >> you know what traditionally before this election open primaries were seen as the strategy of conservative democrats, right? it was something that was pushed to kind of break the back of progressive interest groups and unions because the idea was that independents were going to skew more moderate. >> absolutely. last word to you robert george. >> well, oh, gosh. >> the pressure is on. >> well, no, i mean, i think just what you're saying about in terms of primary, some people think that that actually may have cost hillary clinton in michigan because some of her people may have been -- >> were voting strategically.
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good day everyone. i'm alex witt here at msnbc headquarters, the place for politics. a chattvoters from five states the polls. clues could be provided which way the races may turn. reimagining donald trump, his campaign team may be fighting a losing battle. here he is just a short time ago. >> donald might be changing a little bit over a period of time, and maybe he'll tone it