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so the ground game needs some work. good to see you both. appreciate it. just a programming note for everybody out there. we have town halls this evening, bernie sanders at 8:00 eastern, followed by hillary clinton at 9:00, only on msnbc. that's going to do it for this hour. i'm thomas roberts. we've been reporting in live, beautiful baltimore today. don't go anywhere. "mtp daily" starts right now. if it's monday, it's the art of the deal. trump's rivals must have read it, cruz and kasich incahoots, can they make the stop trump effort a reality? or is it way too little and way too late? this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. >> good evening, i'm steve
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kornacki in new york in for chuck todd. welcome to "mtp daily." it's another manic monday here at the place for politics. in an action-packed night coming up, look at this, back-to-back town halls on msnbc, starting at 8:00 eastern. chris hayes will host an msnbc presidential town hall with bernie sanders. soon as that's done, 9:00 p.m. eastern, rachel maddow hosts a town hall with front-runner hillary clinton. both democrats, back-to-back, right here on msnbc starting at 8:00 tonight. but this hour, we begin this hour with the art of the deal on the republican side. this is between trump's two remaining rivals, ted cruz and john kasich. and donald trump has just wrapped up a rally in pennsylvania. this, part of a three-stop blitz today of rhode island and pennsylvania. those are two of the five states that are going to be holding primaries tomorrow. trump has spent the day in
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full-on retaliation mode after cruz and kasich announced an alliance against him in several key battleground states. trump fired up crowds in rhode island earlier today, slamming the cruz-kasich partnership as a fraud. >> if you collude in the stock market, they put you in jail. but in politics, because it's a rigged system, because it's a corrupt enterprise, in politics, you're allowed to collude. so they colluded and actually i was happy. because it shows how weak they are, it shows how pathetic they are. >> and if you remember all that recent talk from the trump campaign about trump maybe toning it down a little, well, not today. trump today unleashed insult after insult against cruz and also kasich, reserving his nastiest and most personal attack for kasich. >> he has a news conference all the time when he's eating. i have never seen a human being eat in such a disgusting
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fashion. he's a stubborn guy, like if you have a child that just says "i want it, mommy, i don't care, mommy! i want it daddy! i don't care, i want it! that's all he is. >> both candidates spoke to reporters about trump's criticism of what he calls collusion. >> i don't doubt that donald trump is going to scream and yell and curse and insult and probably cry and whine some as well. >> donald trump is saying that you are colluding. we expect to hear that from him again and again on the campaign trail. >> i understand that donald will whine. that's what he does. donald is a sore loser. >> and here's what kasich told nbc's peter alexander today during a campaign stop in philadelphia. >> is it collusion? >> is it -- what does that even
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mean? does he know what that means? >> the two of you are teaming up to compete against donald trump? >> no, the two of us are competing to win the nomination and to get -- and to make sure that we can steward our resources so that we can stop hillary clinton. >> the chaos and craziness we're seeing on the campaign trail today speaks to the urgency of this moment in the republican primary. this is a last-ditch effort, maybe the last-ditch effort to stop donald trump. but for this pact to even have a chance of working, kasich and cruz have to be on the same page. and right now it doesn't look like they are. we are less than 24 hours since this agreement was sealed, and it already appears to be fraying. day one of this alliance started with cruz taking a shot at kasich right out of the gate with reporters today. cruz was hardly gracious about the deal. this is how he characterized the news of their partnership. >> it is big news today that
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john kasich has decided to pull out of indiana, to give us a head-to-head contest with donald trump. that is good for the men and women of indiana, it's good for the country. we're focusing our energy on the state of indiana. and governor kasich is focusing his energies elsewhere. >> meanwhile, kasich downplayed the pact when talking about reporters today and insisted that his supporters should still vote for him, and not vote for cruz, in indiana. >> are you gonna directly tell your voters in indiana to support ted cruz? >> no, no, i'm not going to tell anybody how to vote. i don't see this as any big deal, other than the fact that i'm not going to spend resources in indiana, he's not going to spend them in other places. so what? what's the big deal? >> so who should your supporters vote for in indiana? >> i've never told them not to vote for me. they ought to vote for me. >> at the same time kasich was saying that, his own co-chair in indiana was saying something very different, telling a local newspaper in indiana that, quote, kasich is asking his
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supporters in indiana to vote for cruz, so trump does not win indiana. and cruz will do the same in oregon and new mexico. now, all of this confusion is generating some rough headlines with "the new york times" noting how quickly the cruz-kasich partnership has begun to weaken and trump mocking both his opponents just moments ago. >> so they made a deal, but like every politician, they don't know how to make deals. so they make a deal and cruz is thinking that kasich doesn't want any votes from indiana. kasich this morning said, what are you talking about? i want people in indiana to vote for me. in other words, he broke the deal. he broke the deal. >> and all of this chaos is falling on a rather curious day on the republican calendar. the day is exactly four years to the day from the moment that mitt romney was declared the presumptive nominee by the republican national committee. we'll take a deep dive inside the cruz-kasich strategy in just
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a moment at the big board. but we're going to kick things off with katy tur who is on the road with the trump campaign and joins us from wilkes-barre, pennsylvania. donald trump's strategy in the face of this new strategy from his opponent is to say they're ganging up on him, they're teaming up, it's unfair, it's part of this rigged argument he's trying to make. >> reporter: yeah, i talked to a senior aide this morning and he said it was playing right into the trump campaign's hands. that the whole argument they've been making for weeks now, that this is a rigged system, it's unfair, it's out to get an outsider like trump, and it works to the favor of the insiders, like cruz and kasich and that the party is doing everything it can to stop donald trump from getting the no
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nomination at the convention. so this alliance plays into that message and one that supporters have been receptive too, because there's a feeling among many trump supporters that washington has left them behind, that they're not serving the voters' best interest. and part of the reason why they like donald trump so much, they believe he's something so different and they trust the businessman over the politicians they're seen in the past. but the word of the day is collusion. donald trump hit it a number of times at his rally in rhode island earlier today, a number of times at his rally in pennsylvania. i want to play a few of the sound bites for you right now. take a listen. >> did you see the news today? did you see where they banned together, it's collusion. if you collude in the stock market or in business, they put you in jail. if you collude --
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when they use collusion -- >> 15 times using the word collude or collusion. he also used it in his statement last night. he's used it in tweets. obviously collusion in business is collusion. in politics, it's just business as normal. it's something that his supporters are agreeing with so far. we'll see how this plays out in the polls in indiana. the northeast, as you know, looks really good for the donald trump campaign. >> all right, katy tur, yeah, it's one of those words that sounds devious. i think you'll hear it a lot from donald trump going forward. katy tur, thank you. let's turn to the big board to look more at the practical implications for the alliance between kasich and cruz. indiana is more important to cruz in the entire stop trump movement than it is to trump. remember, a couple weeks ago
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there was talk that cruz and the stop trump movement had momentum, cruz cut the delegate gap to less than 200. it ballooned to nearly 300 with new york last week. we could get a lot out of rhode island, everything out of delaware, most of maryland, if we wins pennsylvania, 17. the unbound, we'll talk about it another time. but donald trump tomorrow could take an additional hundred or more delegates. that lead over ted cruz could being back to 400 at the end of the day tomorrow and that is what sets up indiana. that is what makes it so critical, and that's where this deal came from, a recognition on the part of ted cruz and john kasich and every republican out there who does not want to see donald trump be the nominee. a recognition that if donald trump does what he's expected to do tomorrow, then rolls into indiana and wins there, there is probably no stopping him at that point. why?
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take a look at how they give out the delegates in indiana. 57 total. if you win the state of indiana, even by a vote, even by one vote, you get 30 of those 57. the others are given out by congressional district, there's nine of them. you see them color-coded right here. three per congressional district. so this is what has made the cruz campaign in particular nervous. they've seen the polls in indiana that show donald trump leading, ted cruz second, but trump is short of 50%, well short of 50%, and they see the possibility there, can kasich looming, getting 15, 20, 22% of the vote, something like that, that donald trump could win the state with a plurality of the vote. say a 40-38 win over ted cruz. even a plurality win for trump like that, two points over ted cruz, he'd get all 30 delegates for winning the state. probably take most of the congressional districts, probably 48 or more delegates out of indiana. the big win in new york, the expected big win tomorrow, then
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48 or more out of indiana, he'd be polling far away in the delegate race at that point. also the issue of he would look like a winner at that point. he would have beaten cruz in a state that looked like it should be a cruz state. these would be the states left to come. trump would still have work to do to get to 1,237. but he'd look unstoppable at this point. the cruz and kasich people know this. donald trump needs to lose in indiana for that stop trump -- for the stop trump forces to be able to look at the rest of the states and say, yeah, guys, we are still in this, we can stop him at the convention. so, indiana, it's stand alone, it's next week, may 3rd. it's a huge event to circle your calendars for in american politics. for more on this unprecedented, uneasy alliance, i'll bring in trend duffy with the kasich campaign and jack kingston, a
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cruz campaign surrogate. getting some mixed messages here, sounds like from the kasich campaign. his state chair in indiana saying the message from john kasich is saying, vote for ted cruz in that state. but the candidate, john kasich himself was asked about that today. he said voters in indiana, quote, ought to vote for me. so what's the answer to a voter in indiana right now? is it vote for kasich anyway? or is it hey, you got to go with cruz to stop trump? >> we're not telling anybody how to vote. what's important is governor kasich canceled his events in indiana. so that's the best evidence that this agreement is going forward and the kasich team is going to live by that. what this is really about, 63% of republican voters who don't want donald trump to be the nominee and what's more, the 67% negative, unfavorability rating donald trump has in a general election. he would get crushed by hillary clinton and we lose the senate, we lose the supreme court, and that's what is really going on
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here. we're working to make sure that the 63% of republican voters have a voice at the convention to demonstrate that they do not want donald trump to be the nominee, because it would be a doom's day scenario for the republican party, not just in november, but for years and years to come, with the kind of image problem that we would continue to suffer as a party. >> i want to press the point, because it almost sounds like there's a little winking going on at the voters here. but are you telling somebody in indiana who likes john kasich and who doesn't want to see trump as the nominee, that they are doing a disservice to that cause if they vote for kasich in indiana? >> we have said we're not telling voters how to vote. john kasich canceled his appearances in indiana. he's moving west to new mexico and oregon. oregon on thursday. and that's what we talked about with the cruz campaign. that's why we think it's a winning strategy moving forward
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so that donald trump cannot get the majority of delegates. that's what we're talking about here. 37% of republicans have voted for donald trump, millions more have voted against him. we feel that they have a right to have their voices heard in cleveland. >> jack kingston, let me bring you in on the cruz standpoint. ted cruz has been saying for as long as i can remember now, probably about two months, if he could get that one-on-one fight with donald trump, he will win. well, he's going to get the one-on-one fight now in indiana. john kasich is pulling out, not campaigning, not spending money, not going to have super pac money there. if donald trump still wins indiana in the face of that, what will that say? >> well, what it will say is the one-on-one really does work for ted cruz because people get more of a spotlight on donald trump, and they realize that he's got more flip flops than daytona beach, whether it's planned parenthood, supporting the gang of 8, whether it's supporting hillary clinton, he goes back and forth. >> but what i'm asking you, though, what happens -- we have
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the polling, we can maybe put it up on the screen. there was a poll from fox on friday that showed trump leading by eight points over cruz. you take kasich out. ask, who is the second choice. trump is still leading indiana even with kasich out of that poll. so if you get that one-on-one match-up that ted cruz has been talking about, that you're saying is so favorable to cruz, and trump still wins, is that a point where we can look at the republican race and say it's over? >> no. i think actually that we're going to do really well in indiana. we're not telling anybody how to vote, but we're going to put a lot of resources in indiana. we're going to get some votes tomorrow. as you know, donald trump still needs about 400 votes to win. but if he is so upset about cruz and kasich, then why doesn't he agree on a debate? and what conservatives want to know about, where are his taxes? why won't he come clean on
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things like this is foreign policy, his statement on israel, and his support of hillary clinton? we think a one-on-one, cruz versus trump will be very good for the whole process. and we believe we will get that opportunity in indiana. but he still has to get over 400 or almost 400 delegates to wrap this thing up. and the math just is not there. and any time that donald trump starts falling behind, he always says, it's the process, it's rigged, it's corrupt, it's politicians. you can't have it both ways. it's that same process that right now has given him more delegates than anyone else, but you don't hear any of the other candidates who have fallen behind, particularly those who have dropped out, belly ache. he winning in delegates, but he's winning in the whining. and i think the american people are getting tired of it. >> the word of the day from donald trump is collusion. he's saying it's unfair, that he's being ganged up on, but how do you think this looks? does this make donald trump look strong to a voter who is seeing this and saying, doesn't look
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like ted cruz can beat him one-on-one, he needs the assist from john kasich. and john kasich needs the assist from ted cruz. they need to go two on one on beat this guy. >> the word of the day is doom's day. that's what would happen if donald trump was the nominee. nge >> there's at great sense of remorse from 30 states. the hillary clinton has to be toasting in their offices right now, you cannot undo his sky-high negatives. >> the same question to you then, in the face of everything you're saying that has now come out in new hampshire, in the sky-high general election
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negative numbers, if there's a one -on-one match-up in indiana something cruz has been talking about forever, you got it in indiana. if trump still wins indiana in the face of everything you're saying and in a one-on-one fair fight, is it fair to say this guy is going to be the republican nominee? >> if donald trump wins the majority of delegates in cleveland, that 1,237, then he has earned the nomination. we don't think that's going to happen. we think he's going to come up short for all the reasons we just mentioned. we have no idea where he stands on his positions. he still hasn't outlined a foreign policy that makes any sense whatsoever. and i think that the more people that look at this and as we head to cleveland and look what kind of doom's day scenario that we're talking about again, the people gathered in cleveland are going to say, no, we can't have this guy. if he gets the majority in cleveland, then he gets the nomination. that's why we think we can stop him. >> thank you both for the time. appreciate it.
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coming up, bernie sanders hammers hillary clinton on her ties to wall street as his road to nomination narrows. we'll have the latest as both candidates get ready for the exclusive town halls here on msnbc tonight and later, two of tomorrow's primary states have some seriously nasty senate fights that are going to be decided tomorrow as well. could they decide whether democrats have a shot at taking control of that chamber? stay tuned.
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>> as the primary results come in tomorrow night, how will we know if the cruz-kasich alliance is paying any early dividends? one key might be to watch where trump may be winning with a plurality, but not necessarily a majority. three kinds of places to watch tomorrow night in both parties. first, college town. you know these are key to bernie sanders. in pennsylvania, that's centre county, where penn state is, their main campus. second, you can look at places
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where the establishment lives, in pennsylvania, that means dawson county, where the state capital of harrisburg is, also the counties around pittsburgh, beaver, westmoreland, washington. and the third place to watch are the big suburbs. if the vote is close enough in places like montgomery county and bucks county, around philadelphia, well, it's possible that pooling kasich and cruz votes could tip the scales. we'll be back with a preview of tonight's exclusive town hall doubleheader. bernie sanders at 8:00, hillary clinton at 9:00 right here on msnbc. set to book a flight using your airline credit card miles. and surprise! those seats sometimes cost a ridiculous number of miles, making it really hard to book the flight you want. luckily, there's a better way... with the capital one venture card. with venture, you'll earn unlimited double miles on every purchase, every day. and when you're ready to travel, just book the flight you want, on any airline, then use your miles to cover the cost.
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meet the press yesterday, saying that he plans to stay in the vote, despite the almost insurmountable task of reaching clinton in the delegate count. >> wall street, thank you very much, we don't want your damn money. secretary clinton has chosen to raise her money a different way. she has a number of super pacs, last reporting period, a major one listed $25 million, in special interests, $15 million from wall street. >> hillary clinton for her part, opted not to return fire against sanders today. instead, she took aim at donald trump. >> he'll just fly that big jet in and land it and make a big speech and insult everybody you can think of and then go back, get on that big jet and go back to your country clubhouse in florida, or your penthouse in
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new york. i somehow don't think that puts you in touch with what's going on. >> again, we are going to hear from both of those democratic candidates, exclusively on msnbc tonight. chris hayes is going to kick things off tonight at 8:00 with a town hall featuring bernie sanders. soon as that is over, a hillary clinton town hall will be moderated by our own rachel maddow at 9:00 here on msnbc. kristen welker is in wilmington, delaware. i'm told it's the place to be somebody. so hillary clinton is looking to be the democratic nominee for president and somebody in her campaign, it sounds like, is talking to the press about who her running mate might be. some names leaking out in "the new york times" over the weekend. what can you tell us about that? >> that's right. there were names that leaked out over the weekend, steve. and what's interesting about that, it comes as we're seeing secretary clinton increasingly start to pivot to the general
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election. not only in her comments on the stump, which you just played, but she also has a new ad out today, called love and kindness, essentially painting herself as the candidate who would unify the united states as compared to donald trump, who she's trying to paint as the divisive candidate. in terms of some of those names that we're hearing, brown, the senator from ohio, he would help rally voters in that swing state. julian castro, to help her with latino voters, the current hud secretary. and one of the most interesting names, i think we have a full list and a graphic, but one of the most interesting names, senator elizabeth warren from massachusetts. of course she has not endorsed secretary clinton and there's a sense that these two don't exactly have a warm relationship, but there's no doubt that elizabeth warren would help secretary clinton to rally the progressives in her party, to win over some of those sanders' supporters who right
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now say they're not prepared to vote for secretary clinton. i've been talking to campaign officials throughout the day. they say they feel confident heading into tomorrow, particularly polls show them with strong leads in pennsylvania, delaware, right here, and also in maryland. when i ask, what states are you focused us after tuesday? the indication is that they're going to have to wait and see, that they're going to have to reassess, and the reason why that's so interesting is because typically you hear what states they'll will focus on next. they're right up at bat, ready with that answer. in this case, they're using terms like, we'll have to reassess. that only underscores that what we might see after tuesday is an even larger pivot to the general election. that's what we'll be watching for tomorrow. >> kristen welker in wilmington, delaware, jod biden country. >> indeed. >> keep it here on msnbc tonight for a town hall doubleheader
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and back now with more "mtp daily," i'm steve kornacki in for chuck todd. tomorrow the presidential primary race moves to five key states. but the democratic primary for senate seat in pennsylvania and maryland, both of those turning into battle royals. in maryland, two members of the house, chris van hollen and
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donna edwards are duking it out. senator barbara mikulski held that seat for 30 years. the tone has gotten nasty with the stakes so high. look at this ad from a super pac backing donna edwards. >> the nra and its campaign cash are what stands between us and gun reform. >> every time i think about those kids, it gets me mad. >> chris van hollen met with nra lobbyists to craft a loophole that would let the nra block gun control. but donna edwards said no to the nra loophole. >> in a rare and notable move, the white house stepped in, calling that ad misleading and it told the group to take it down. van hollen's campaign jumped on that. >> "the sun" says van hollen and president obama have the same position. the post praised van hollen.
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donna edwards, will she say anything to win an election? in pennsylvania, meanwhile, former retired admiral, joe sestak is looking for a rematch against pat toomey. to get that rematch, sestak has to get past katie mcginty tomorrow. she has some big name backers and her ads are not afraid to let you know that. >> why have president obama and vice president biden endorsed katie mcginty for u.s. senate? because she's a champion for working families. katie mcginty will take on the republicans and protect social security and medicare. >> should have said, by the way, that katie mcginty is the former state environmental chief. vice president biden was in pennsylvania today speaking out for her. >> how are you, ladies? >> i'm good, how are you. >> sestak, though, says the flow
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of money and endorsements against him may be just what turns voters toward him. >> people are really tired of a system where someone can be down in washington, d.c. and dictate, through power, through money, what's to happen. it's amazing where we are today. $4.2 million has been poured into this race from outside pennsylvania. special interest groups, all orchestrated by the democratic senatorial campaign committee. >> so will the scrappy primaries pay off for democrats come november? or will they look back and say this might have hurt their chances of taking over the senator? nathan gonzalez joins me now to preview both of them. let's start in maryland. we can put the numbers up on the screen. we have two polls in the last couple weeks, both showing van hollen ahead. the margins differ. one has double digits, one has six points right there. this is a really interesting race, though, in terms of what it says, at least to me, about the democratic party.
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you have van hollen, sort of a power house in the house. he's kind of waited his turn, the way things traditional happen. edwards more of an upstart, also looking to be the only black woman in the u.s. senate. that's a powerful message potentially in a straigate with very large african american contender. >> you're absolutely right. there are some key threads that are going through this race in maryland. one of them is this anti-establishment versus establishment, have donna edwards, trying to be the outsider candidate against chris van hollen, who certainly has a financial advantage. some people even thought he was going to be speaker of the house someday. and it's been -- the stakes are extremely high in maryland tomorrow because it's really the game for the seat. you mentioned how these open seats in maryland seem to come up bl every 30 years, but really whoever wins tomorrow is going to be the next senator. i know republicans want to talk about larry hogan getting
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elected governor in 2014, but i think that's why this has gotten so personal so quickly, because this is the biggest game right now. >> and the story different in pennsylvania where whoever wins this primary tomorrow, they got a real tough challenge in november going against pat toomey. joe sestak was the democratic candidate six years ago. that was a tough year for democrats. he ran a very close race. he nearly pulled that thing off in a very tough climate. why are so many big name democrats from the white house down looking at this race and saying, we don't want sestak this time? >> contrary to what's happening in maryland, pennsylvania is more complicated because you have two incredible democrats running against each other, but you also have senator pat toomey looming with tens of mill -- he's going to be well funded, millions of dollars in a competitive state. so it's a key opportunity, but it hasn't gotten quite as personal and nasty, because the dsc has endorsed katie mcginty, spent over $2 million on the
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race, which is not common in races. but the reason why, they believe katie mcginty is a better investment. there just isn't the confidence in congressman sestak's campaign and his infrastructure, that when it gets to the general election and millions of dollars are being spent that he will have the infrastructure in place to knock off a united states senator. but i think if you're in joe sestak's shoes, you think, remember 2010, i ran and beat them, i almost beat pat toomey in a terrible democratic year, why should i listen to these folks? and there's kind of a disconnect between democratic strategists in washington, they believe that katie mcginty is absolutely the best. but then some democrats on the ground in pennsylvania are wondering what's the difference? my colleague wrote a great story with a quote from jim burn that said, that's $2 million squandered that cannot be used against pat toomey no matter who
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wins, shame on them. and i think that's part of the sentiment on the ground. you don't spend 2 million d$2 m something you don't believe in. >> if you're a political junkie and if you're watching this show, you probably are. this is something to watch tomorrow night. presidential primaries but two barn-burners of senate primaries, maryland and pennsylvania. thank you for helping us preview them. >> no problem. up next, time for the ws. could tom brady be heading to the supreme court to avoid sitting on the sidelines this season? stay tuned. if a denture were to be
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♪ kasich and cruz have absolutely no path to victory. the only thing they can do is hope for some reason it goes to a second ballot, when it won't because we're going to get it on the first ballot. >> time for the lid, kye wright is here, wall street editorial bored and political reporter for "the new york times." so guys, let's dive into the deal here. donald trump is calling this collusion but mary, is there blow back potential for cruz and for kasich, are they playing to the argument that look, this establishment is desperate to stop me. they will do anything they will pull out any stop they can find and now we have a deal?
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>> well, it could blow back. this might have been helpful a week ago, not the day before we have voters going to another set of primaries. one thing for sure, ted cruz would not be cooperating if he didn't have to. this looks like a sign of desperation and looking at the math saying we have to do something and it looks like this is going to be the strategy going forward. >> it does look like desperation from cruz' standpoint because he said kasich has no business being in this race. >> listen, i hate to use the obvious, let's just say these kinds of treaties are not stable, don't last very long and also, the cruz super pac is still hitting kasich in indiana and elsewhere so it's not as if they can control the forces in line with them and finally, it's a pact that recognizes the reality that's already on the ground, which is that cruz is the upper hand in one set of states and kasich in the other. so it's not as if there is a
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huge sacrifice being made. >> also, these campaigns, they are national campaigns in a lot of ways, too. not like people in indiana will stop hearing about what john kasich had to say or people in oregon will stop hearing about what ted cruz had to say. >> there is absolutely no reason to believe republican voters in indiana that support john kasich will vote for ted cruz, first off, no matter what they are told. indiana is my home state and indiana is a place battered by the indiana republican party battered by continue versery over the last couple years about being too crazy, too radical and a lot of these establishment republicans that i don't see them suddenly voting for cruz because it's a difference in style, not substance in the first instance. who knows if the deal will work in indiana. >> speaking of things that might not last that long. there was the trump campaign and sounds coming out of the trump campaign that would maybe be a different tone from donald trump. world of deal reached everybody last night. donald trump talked about john kasich today. listen to what he chose to focus
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in on. >> now you look at kasich, i don't think he knows -- did you see him? he has a news conference all the time when he's eating. i have never seen a human being eat in such a disgusting fashion. >> so -- [ laughter ] >> john kasich does like to sample the food at these campaign events, but this is old habits diehard for donald trump, huh? >> listen, i think this is the fifth or 17th time that we've announced a reset on how he'll become more presidential in the traditional way. he always goes back to his mean, which is to be in your face and loud and brash but i applaud kasich for getting out there and eating on the campaign trail. it's got to be tough to be an a candidate. >> sometimes you're hungry and you got to eat. >> you're at a diner and put this delicious food in front of you. i can't fault him for that. is donald trump capable? if he gets the republican nomination and this is what his campaign chief is telling people behind closed doors, you'll see
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a different guy in the fall. is he capable of being a different guy? >> donald trump is capable. can he sustain a change in the general election for that long? who knows. but to be clear, if he comes out of this and focuses on his trade message and is able to run to both the left and the right of the likely democratic nominee, hillary clinton, he does have a real campaign there, and the question is can he do that -- can he stay on the tell prompter while doing it? >> by the way, there was a response here. john kasich responded on twitter to what donald trump said about eating habits. this is from the kasich communications team, at least. they said donald trump, we were looking for some trump steaks for the governor but no one seems to sell them anymore. so taking a shot at the no longer existence trump steaks. the reason trump was brought to
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the bargain table is indiana. we showed this with the math, the delegates. if you win by a vote you get the lion share and if you lose by a state you get wiped out. is this it? is this the test, cruz gets the one on one shot he wants with donald trump in a state he can win, if he can't beat donald trump are we talking about trump as the nominee? >> you're right. this is what ted cruz said he wanted, which is a one on one with donald trump. in trump, again, is the weak es front runner the gop had. he's only won 38% of the popular vote so far. that's why he's running so hard against the so-called alliance and not just ignoring him because he's trying to motivate his base to come out. we'll see how cruz performs, but in terms of trump's rhetoric, i want to respond quickly. he's of no understanding of the economy, of foreign policy, his rhetoric hasn't changed and hasn't showed seriousness and preparing himself for the office of the president. what he's doing is trying to
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motivate a percentage of the gop base to get out there and get the vote out and we'll see how ted cruz does in indiana. >> he cleared 50% in his home state last week. we'll see if he clears 50 tomorrow night. he has a chance to. thanks for joining us. chuck will be back tomorrow with "mtp daily." stay tuned for a doubleheader that will start at 8:00 and a special edition of "hardball" with chris matthews starts right now. bad news buddies, let's play "hardball." >> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington and welcome to the special two-hour edition of "hardball." ted cruz and john kasich are trying to do together right now what neither has been able to do on his own, stop donald trump. cruz and kasich have joined forces trying to coordinate their campaigns against trump in the primary

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