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republican. i'm a ronald reagan/teddy roosevelt republican and i support the republican party and the people, the republicans have chosen the nominee for the party, i think that makes sense. >> those comments from mccain coming on the same day a recording emerged of mccain previously saying that his re-election chances would be hurt by the nomination of donald trump. mccain, of course, running for the senate in arizona this fall. for more on donald trump's quest at uniting the republican party, i want to bring in susan page, washington bureau chief, and rick tyler, former senior communications adviser for the ted cruz organization. you're a republican, worked with ted cruz. are you going to support donald trump this fall? >> you know, steve, right now i'd like to leave my ballot a private affair. but i will tell you that donald trump has done nothing to sort of earn me over as a ted cruz supporter, win me over, and you
know, he could have started doing that really weeks and weeks ago when he was so far ahead and declared himself the presumptive nominee but he's made no real effort to court the supporters of other campaigns. it's a mystery. >> you know ted cruz very well, obviously. at the very end of the campaign, ted cruz put it all out there, just very, very direct and impersonal comments castigating donald trump. what would it take, what would donald trump have to do to get ted cruz to turn around and say, i support him for president? >> i think he'd have to show contrition but i don't think he's capable of. remember, steve, i think ted cruz was fully aware he was going to drop out while he was giving that press conference. he had his entire staff there, they knew what the polls were, barring some miracle that night, he was going to lose. he knew that. he knew that -- i think he would have known he would have dropped
out. he seemed to have shut the door pretty closed tight on the idea of supporting trump. but things can change. but i do think it would have to come from the candidate himself. donald trump just crossed the line. look, in the campaigns, we all point out things we don't like in the other candidates, paint our candidate in the best light and paint theirs in the worst light. but some things you don't do. attacking one's family, attacking one's wife, one's father, and then you know the whole thing about lyin' ted, that's going to be hard to reverse. >> susan page, when you look ahead to the general election, donald trump said he was asked yesterday, can you unite this party? he says he thinks he can unite most of it. he acknowledges some republicans who stick true to that never trump pledge they've made. how much of the party does he have to unite to have a chance in november? >> this has got to be an enormous task. this is worse, even, than the splitting the party in 1976 last time there was a kind of big
divide between gerald ford and reagan. that contributed to ford's defeat in november that the party was divided then. now a situation, for the first time, since 1980 there's been a bush -- member of the bush family addressing the republican convention, suddenly we're not going to have that though we have two former presidents named bush who will not be at the convention. this underscores how deep the divide is in the republican party. we talk about bernie sanders still running against hillary clinton on the democratic side, the challengen 0 the democratic party is nothing like the big challenge that donald trump is going to face on the republican side. >> rick and susan, stand by. i'm going to bring in katy tur, following the trump campaign for almost a year. the news today for donald trump, as he looks ahead to the general election, one of the things that he's talking about a lot of people in politics are talking about is, who would run as his running mate? who would want to run as his running mate? who kind of names are we
hearing? >> reporter: both good questions. we're hearing a number of names, none of them seem particularly likely, as of now. donald trump, this morning, told cnbc there's 40% chance that he would choose one of his past rivals, obviously certain ones are probably not going to happen, people like carly fiorina or potentially ted cruz, who got so heated and ugly with towards the end of ted cruz's campaign. but in terms of what kind of vice presidential pick he would want, he has said that he's going to fig going go find somebody in the political arena, somebody like a governor, a senator or congressman who could come in and help him legislate, donald trump is acknowledging that he doesn't have the experience to legislate and he doesn't have the friends in washington and acknowledging that he probably will need that on a ticket with him. john kasich's name bandied about quite a bit. sources told peter alexander he would absolutely not run as a
vice presidential candidate to donald trump. there are a flm number of gover out there, including mary fallin of oklahoma. one source in the campaign told me, if they are saying they would like to be donald trump's vice president, they probably are not going to be donald trump's vice president, and mary fallin has said how willing she would be to the invitation. donald trump himself doesn't plan to have a name until july. >> all right. interesting there on the calendar. some of those names, mary fallin, one i've been interested in for a while, it makes a lot of sense there from a standpoint of trying balance with a female on the ticket. katy tur, thank you. kasie hunt here with more on what happens with the republican forces who were so opposed to a trump nomination, the never trump crowd, as they called themselves. now that he's the presumptive nominee, what is going to happen to them? getting all sort of signals from all sorts of republicans how they're dealing with this what happen are you picking up on? >> steve, at this point, the
republican party feels extraordinarily splint terred about donald trump, just basically his first full day as the presumptive nominee and you have quite a bit of backlash. as you were discussing a little bit there with susan page, the bushes, of course, not planning to get out there, and support or endorse or show up to the convention. mitt romney deciding to stay home. you also have ben sass, the sfort from nebraska, coming out in facebook post and arguing for a third party candidacy, saying that the american people should draft somebody else that these two national political parties are enough of a mess, that he says, i believe they will come apart. it might not happen fully in 2016 and i'll continue fighting to revive the gop with ideas but when people's needs aren't being met they ultimately find other solutions. this, of course, illustrates the degree there is a segment, mostly republicans, of the broader electorate that find
both donald trump and hillary clinton unpalatable choices. that said, i am hearing from members of the party establishment who believe at the end of the day, the party is going to coalesce around donald trump. i talked to haley barbour, former governor of mississippi, an elder statesman in the gop and says lives a series of choices and his southern drawl, if you will, when the choice comes down to donald trump and hillary clinton, he believes republicans are going to go with donald trump. the question, i think, steve, when you look -- pull out the lens and look at this more broadly, is that a lot of these republicans just don't know yet what kind of impact donald trump's going to have on a general electorate. obviously, he started out the republican primary race way behind with primary voters, many couldn't see themselves voting for him. of course he changed republican minds. the question, is he going to be able to reach new voters in a general election, or are these numbers that we're seeing for him going to end up baked into the cake and ultimately be
unchangeable? i think republicans, if you think about john mccain, for example, in arizona, his feeling right now, hispanic vote is such that it's going to make it much harder to win re-election. somebody like pat toomey in pennsylvania, calculus might be different. we've talked about white working class voters from people who maybe worked in a steel milk had a union job, those people might come to the polls in greater numbers this time around, they might be voting for donald trump. but was that help a swing state republican like pat toomey? all of these republican politicians have to make their own calculations and i also think there are x-factors are variables we don't know about trump's appeal or lack thereof to a general electorate. some are staying on the sidelines for now. >> kasie hunt grappling and with that question, what do we do now that donald trump has taken over our party? susan page, washington bureau chief for "usa today." rick tyler, former senior
communications adviser for the ted cruz campaign. from a strategy ex-standpoint, kelly ayotte, senator from new hampshire, swing state in new hampshire, she's in a tough re-election race up there, a republican senator, she said yesterday that she will support donald trump but she won't endorse him. i have no idea what the difference is there but speaks to her dilemma. you have the point middle of the road voters in new hampshire could be phoned by donald trump, on the other hand, donald trump got a big win in new hampshire republican party. what's the play for somebody like kelly ayotte? what would be the advice strategically? i never understood the support, endorse, the problem is you make everybody mad. you make donald trump supporters mad and anti-donald trump supporters mad. you may as well pick a side. she hasn't done that. look, a lot of candidates are
weighing their options. it's hard to predict what's going to happen. donald trump, we know, one thing has negative numbers. he has high negative numbers among women, african-americans, among hispanics, and among young people. unless he can start to turn those around or unless something dramatic happens on the other side, it's going to be difficult to see how he's going to win this election. >> we actually have a bit of news here in last few minutes on this subject of the republican party and whether it will rally around donald trump. house speaker paul ryan, in an interview a few minutes ago on cnn, saying that he cannot support donald trump yet. so susan, that's interesting, leaving open the possibility it is yet to come but he's not there yet. >> that is really interesting. and i haven't seen that interview. for paul ryan, the highest ranking republican in american politics, at the moment, to not embrace the man who is extremely likely to be the party's nominee, i think is a little surprising. maybe he's -- he's going to run
the convention, be chairman of the convention in cleveland, maybe there's some calculation there until the -- until donald trump has majority of convention delegates, maybe he thinks he shouldn't nominate. paul ryan has been trying to present an alternative vision for what the republican party stands for. that gives republican candidates something else to cite besides donald trump's positions on issues when running for office, to say they're a paul ryan republican, even if they're uncomfortable saying they're a donald trump republican. >> susan, the term donald trump republican, i mean, that has come to mean anti-establishment, the party establishment is scared of me, the political establishment is scared of me, i make them uncomfortable. as the process plays out, if he finds himself winning endorsements from mitch mcconnell, if he gets big members of the republican establishment to come around, does that undercut his image. >> the nominee for president defines the party in this
election year. whether or not paul ryan and mitch mcconnell endorse donald trump, donald trump will be the face of the republican party, assuming he wins the nomination, as now seems clear. donald trump's bluster and his stance, it seems to me his characteristics are pretty well established. it's hard for somebody -- it's hard for me to believe that in november we're going to see donald trump as a big inside figure that's beloved by the republican establishment. what might happen is republican establishment decides they can accept him and not say they're going to vote for him. but it seems to me the brand donald trump has is strongly established already. >> rick, when you look ahead to the general election, do you look at this and say, donald trump can win the polls right now? do you think he can win? >> look, anything's possible. no one predicted this year -- we can go back in history and look at all of the things that aren't possible -- i will say i'm told donald trump does listen to one person, listens -- he may listen
to several others, but one person influential, newt gingrich, he ran as anti-establishment candidate, came into congress as anti-establishment but well respected in town. he has lots of friends here in town. he also knows the people in capitol hill. he knows how legislation is done. he was ushered in the republican revolution. got quite an agenda accomplished in 1994. he could play sort of the dick cheney senior statesman role for donald trump if he were to choose him. look at newt gingrich. >> his name has come up as potential vice presidential candidate. we were going other names. any others jump out at you? trying to unify the republican party, elects in the fall, any other names to keep an eye on for trump? >> some of the names have turned donald trump down. that's why i think gingrich is so interesting, because he's sort of -- he sort of person son
na grata with many aspects of the republican party. he has mastered foreign policy, knows a lot about defense, two areas that donald trump perceived weakness in and knows how to get things done on capitol hill. even when he had a democratic president. >> any chance your old boss, ted cruz, could wind up on the tick? >> again, it would be up to donald trump. and i think there would have to be a lot of contrition and making amends but it's possible. ted cruz is a very forgiving person. >> rick tyler, susan page, thank you both for the time. >> thank you. programming note, ben carson is going to join joe and mika tomorrow for more on donald trump's tesearch for a vp. deputized ben carson to play a leading role in helping him choose his number two on that ticket. tomorrow morning, 6:00 to 9:00 eastern only on msnbc. we are also following breaking news at this hour. president obama just announcing that he's commuted the sentences
of 58 more people. he wrote in a new post online that he wants to see a better approach to criminal justice because we are, quote, a nation of second chances. joining me now, ari melber. it seems the president is particularly focuses on people with convictions for drug charges? >> that's right. drug charges or people who have basically been given very long sentences that may look unfair. steve, this is just come into the newsroom in the last hour. it's something that may be familiar to people because the president repeatedly used this pow, which he has under the contusion, to try to undo, basic will i, sentences in certain cases. though after people have served a long time. let's zero in on one example. ramona brandt had her sentence commuted by president obama last year. she was found guilty of a nonviolent offense regarding conspiracy to distribute cocaine, given life in prison and served 21 years. she is one of the people that the president has singled out as an example of how this can go
horribly wrong. i'm going to walk through a couple of her details here. she was the spouse of a man who was being pursued by the authorities and when he didn't crack, when he didn't give in, they threatened to indict her, which they did and she was offered a plea deal and she says was told because it was mostly about what this other man had done she wouldn't have to serve a lot of time. the spoiler here, which i revealed, when she went in for sentencing, given as first-time offender life sentence for the cocaine conspiracy charge. she and materials that the white house released has written about what a shock that was. she had two young children, both under age of 5, she was, as i mentioned, not otherwise repeat offender and got basically a life drug sentence, far more serious than convicted murders, rapists, repeat felons, gang bank bangers. that is something at an individual level it's unfair.
at a policy level, debates that republicans have had whether there is overcharging and overpunishing in the war on drugs. steve, as we watch this presidential campaign season play out, interesting to see where donald trump and hillary clinton come in on this. as you well know, hillary's talked more about continuing obama's criminal justice reform legacy. donald trump has hit some different notes at different times but for decades in new york, he's talked about the importance of being, quote, tough in law and order in his view of how you deal with these problems. >> all right. ari melber, thanks for that. still to come tis hour -- bernie sanders says he's staying in and still has a path to victory. we're going to head over to the big board and run down the numbers on where bernie sanders goes from here to see if he does have a chance. trolling for a gig with braindrone? can't blame you. it's a drone you control with your brain, which controls your thumbs, which control this joystick. no, i'm actually over at t ge booth. we're creating the operating system for industry.
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change the way you experience tv with xfinity x1. to be perfectly candid with you, jake, i'm not ready to do that at this point, i'm not there right now. i hope to, though. i want to. but i think what is required is that we unify this party. and i think the bulk of the burden on unifying the party will have to come from our presumptive nominee. saying we're unified doesn't unify us. but actually taking the principles that we all believe in, showing that there's a dedication to those, and running a principle campaign that republicans can be proud about and appeal to a majority of americans, that, to me, can unify this party. >> breaking news this hour. a few minutes ago, paul ryan on cnn talking about whether he,
the republican speaker of the house of representatives, can endorse donald trump for president this year. ryan saying he's not there yet. so leaving open the possibility he may still endorse donald trump but so far, refusing to do so. lots of attention on this question this week obviously with donald trump finally locking down the republican nomination, emerging as the presumptive republican nominee. we had news yesterday mitch mcconnell said he will support the republican nominee. now, you have all eyes turning to paul ryan on that question, and ryan saying, well, not so fast, not quite there yet. of course, ryan delivered a very well-publicized speech in the last few weeks, basically seeming, without using the name donald trump, to warn the republican party away from nominating donald trump, certainly that's how that speech was interpreted and there was plenty of speculation all year paul ryan might be interested in positioning himself to potentially emerge as the white
knight candidate at a brokered republican convention. something he vehemently denied, no longer an issue but paul ryan with statement in the last few minutes that he's not yet ready to support donald trump. kasie hunt, you are familiar with paul ryan's role in all of this. what do you make of what he's saying now? >> we've been talking over last 24 hours how the republican party is splintered and there have been establishment figures coming to the support of donald trump. i think this is a massive signal that that is not the case, that if anything, the pendulum is swinging away from him right now. i think it reflects what paul ryan said. right, he went further, not only to mitch mcconnell but other republican politicians, john mccain, kelly ayotte, for example, in new hampshire who said she would support the nominee, she didn't say she would endorse trump, she'd support, not endorse. >> can't figure out the difference. >> a little bit dicfficult. but paul ryan put himself
further out there than others saying i can't support trump as a nominee right now and he mentioned of course, reagan and lincoln. i'm reminded yesterday, a political consultant for chris christie posted a photograph of lincoln with a tear running down his cheek. that seems to be the sentiment that paul ryan is conveying here. i think it reflects pressure he would be under and all of his member in swing districts are under, right, es especially if there's a republican congressman with a heavily hispanic district, if paul ryan is going to say i support this guy, all of the congressmen have to answer for it. >> we should mention, this happened in the last couple of minutes. also in the last kumt couple of minutes, the clinton campaign caught wind of this, on top of republicans coming out and saying they're not ready to support donald trump, they're saying add paul ryan's flame to the list, another sign donald trump is being rejected by his party. when ryan says yet, we don't know what the republican party's platform is going to be.
we know trump ran on controversial proposals, temporary ban on muslims, the border wall, having mexico pay for it. will this become part of the republican party platform that every republican candidate around the country would be asked about? >> i think that's a very good set of questions, you're right. i think in the case of paul ryan, listen to what he had to say, talking about conservative principles that he's believed in all of his life. think about the background that paul ryan has, we talked about plans to reform entitlements but conservative on taxes, for example, saying invoking jack kemp's name on a day when donald trump came around and said, hey, you know, i might raise taxes on the wealthy, i may back away from this thing i've been saying in the primary campaign, this of course trump to cnbc today talking about his tax plan. he said abortion, exceptions for rape, not something we've
previously seen. this reflects the fact that donald trump hasn't convinced conservatives he's a conservative and this is a conservative party. so, his controversial statements aside, i think that there's some fundamental like misalignment between where donald trump is from a policy perspective and where a lot of the conservative members of the party are. and even if you think about the delegates that are on the floor, if the largest chunk of delegates were ted cruz supporters, these are people that care very deeply about conservative party. >> and people who will have a vote on the party platform in the next few months. al alex, the clinton campaign waste nothing time, bouncing on this statement from paul ryan. this seems to be something the clinton campaign is taking particular interest in, trying to drive the wedge between donald trump and the republican party as deep as they can. >> very quick on the draw. part of the reason they were able to respond quickly, because they have been making a big
issue of republicans either being tepid or coming out against donald trump. this was an update to an e-mail they put out yesterday, they compiled a very long list, dozens of names of conservative writers, elected republican members of congress, who have all said they are not quite ready to support donald trump or offered kind of mediocre support for him. this is, yeah, part of a larger effort to use republicans as validaters, of hillary clinton's message, that donald trump is too risky, he's too extreme, he's a loose cannon, as she says. that he's not fit for the office of commander in chief. and that at this moment when the republican party is still not quite unified around their nominee, she's trying to take as much advantage of that as possible, drive that wedge. and it's a safe space for her to do that while she's dealing with bernie sanders in her own primary. >> chris jansing in west virginia, covering the sanders campaign. chris, this -- what we're watching here in the last ten
minutes, i think, illustrates one of the problems and challenges for bernie sanders. look, donald trump, the presumptive republican nominee, there's news about him, the clinton campaign bounces, and this looks luke this is the general election. hillary clinton versus donald trump. meanwhile, you're there at a bernie sanders event, he's still trying to get people to focus on clinton versus sanders. >> reporter: yeah, and i've got to tell you, though he's got a nice crowd here, he had a small event this morning, this is not one of his larger events. having said that, this is a state that points out what is really different about this election year when you talk about hillary clinton and donald trump. so, this might be a state, having been won easily by bill clinton twice, and a state that is a really suffering economically and talk about the populist democratic message, why bernie sanders is doing so well here. hillary clinton, on the other hand, is somebody who, at least, anecdotally, certainly when you
look at polls versus bernie sanders, is not doing well here. she is, in fact, someone who -- when you talk to people, at these events, they feel a bit of distrust of her, and they also don't like her association with -- of president obama. she has aligned herself closely with his policies. and in this state, west virginia, he is -- i think in one recent poll, the only state where his personal approval ratings were lower were in wyoming. so this is a state that's going to be very interesting in the fall and in the meantime, you have bernie sanders really fighting for attention, something that his folks call the yankee effect, you always want to go with a winner. voters want to go with a winner and he's fighting this perception that this race is over because we're talking about whether or not paul ryan is going to endorse donald trump,
we're talking about the general election race when he believes that he's still in this race, steve. >> chris jansing, in west virginia, bernie sanders event playing out now. kasie hunt with me here in the studio. sort of the flip side of what we're talking about with chris, this question of republicans, people like paul ryan, conservative voters who have reservations about trump. one of the questions here, how powerful will that contrast be if it becomes donald trump versus hillary clinton? i assume trump is relying on the idea whatever reservations conservatives have about him now, they will see hem on that debate stage with hillary clinton in the fall, they will say, i may not like donald trump but i really doesn't like hillary clinton, and i'm going to check the trump name off? >> i think that's indoorly possible. if you also think about the experience that he's had, as the now-presumptive republican nominee, he's done this on the force of his personality. this is -- it's not as though republican establishment opposition to donald trump is a new thing.
entire republican party ran against him in the form of 17 people and they fell, one at a time, they fell. so, you know, i think, as we move into the general election, yes, it's going to be about convincing and keeping conservatives with him and, yes, to a certain extent about policy and other things but a lot of it is just going to be donald trump relying on his gut, to a certain extent. it got him this far. a couple of things i want to pull out, too, about this paul ryan note. don't forget, paul ryan will chair, as speaker of the house, the republican national convention. so, if he doesn't come around to supporting the nominee before then, that's a scenario that we haven't experienced certainly in recent memory. and second of all, the first person out of the gate to say that the republican party should coalesce around donald trump was rance priebus, chairman of the republican national committee. priebus and ryan are both from the same state of wisconsin, political ambitions have been trying together, described as friends. imagine being on that phone call
between paul ryan and rance priebus, who is trying very, very hard to pull this party together, and you know, as the stop trump movement was seeing the beginning of the end, falling apart on monday and tuesday, i was putting this question to them, hey, if it turns out the republican party can't unify behind trump, if all of the lawmakers flee, people struggling for re-election, don't show up to the convention, what happens then? the question is what point does rance priebus look like baghdad bob, the spokesman for the iraqi army as saddam hussein was falling as we came to know as this somewhat amusing figure. i thought that was a devastating comparison to make for this. >> kasie hunt, thank you. again, news just in the last 15, 20 minutes, right now, paul ryan making his first public comment since donald trump became the presum tive republican nominee, house speaker saying he can't yet endorse donald trump, saying i'm just not ready. we'll continue to follow this.
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ladies and gentlemen, i am officially running for president of the united states, and we are going to make our country great again! >> 11 months ago, that was donald trump when he formally entered the race for president. remember back then, everyone said the guy has no chance, why is he even running for president? hearing the same thing now, he has no chance, a lot of people are saying, he has no chance in the general elections. we thought we'd look into that. our most important number of the day. the big board, number one. why is the number one so important when we talk about donald trump and the question of
whether he can win in november? well, answer is this, one is where he stood in the first poll that was taken when he entered the race for president, delivered that speech we are were showing you a clip of. sitting back, our poll was taken, sitting back at 1%. jeb bush was in first place with 22%. scott walker, remember him, he didn't even make it through the summer, he was sitting at 17%. rubio a factor, carson was in double digits, huckabee was alive, but donald trump, he was back there at 1%. that's where he started out this race. it was more than that because you can look at that and you can say, well, maybe republican voters weren't sure if he was serious about running. they liked him but weren't sure if he was serious about it. that's not why he was at 1%. he was at 1% because republican voters didn't like him. the poll, that i'm showing you right here, asked the question, could you even possibly see
yourself voting for donald trump? 2/3 of republicans said, no, not possible i could support him for the republican party nomination. historically bad number that he was scoring in early polls of republicans saying i won't even think about voting for him. if that sounds familiar, that's because that is a challenge he faces right now. historically bad poll numbers when we look toward the general election. check this out. the newest one this week, newest national poll, clinton versus trump, clinton with a double-digit lead against trump. look at unfavorable numbers, terrible numbers that you look at and say this is a country where majority of people are already rejecting donald trump. i don't know how he could recover from this, i don't know how he could win in november, and maybe it's true, maybe over last year everything donald trump has said and done to win the republican nomination, maybe he has alienated too many voters, too intensely, too
deeply to recov somewhere win the general election, but it is worth remembering, when he got in the race for the republican presidential nomination, he was not in first place, he was in last place. he had just 1%, just 1% of the vote, and he had the vast majority of republicans saying they wouldn't think about voting for him. over the course of the next 11 months, he turned those numbers around, and now he's the presumptive republican nominee. she's going to have to pull off the same thing with a much wider, much broader audience, if he's going to become president of the united states. given what we've seen over the last 11 months, we probably shouldn't say it can't be done. straight ahead -- repark to paul ryan refusing for now to get behind donald trump. it could make for a tricky republican national convention since ryan will be the chairman of the event.
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to be perfectly candid with you jake, i can't do that at this point, i'm not there right now. i hope to, i want to. but i think what is required we unify the party. the bulk of the burden of unifying the party is on the presumptive nominee. saying we're unified doesn't unify us. but taking principles we all believe in, showing that there's a dedication to those, and running a principled campaign republicans can be proud about and appeal to a majority of americans, that to me is what it takes to unify the party. >> there it is, that's the big news this hour, speaker of the house, paul ryan, saying he is not ready to endorse donald trump for president, at least not yet. ryan says the presumptive republican nominee has more work to do to bring the party together. so, if donald trump can bring the party together, that seems to be a big if at this moment, if he does go on to win this fall to become president of the united states it raises the obvious question, what would a
trump presidency actually look like? what would america look like under a president trump? the presumptive nominee and advisers sat down with "the new york times" to discuss trump's would-be first 100 days in office. day one, he would rescind president obama's executive orders on immigration, he would take steps to seal our southern borders, and he would talk to ceos of companies sending jobs out of the united states. potential first 100 days and beyond of a trump presidency, joined by "new york times" reporter patrick heely. first breaking news, paul ryan, speaker of the house, one of the top republicans in all of the country, saying not ready to endorse donald trump. what do you make of that? >> it's big news. the republican party, for the last 36 hours, in terms of its leadership have been paralyzed how to respond to this. they all thought that trump was probably going to be the nominee, but they didn't think it would come to an end, the
nomination race, so quickly. so now, there's a lot of calibrating going, people are ducking the question. it seems like paul ryan is looking at that down ballot house races that a lot of his members have, members are asking him, should we run with trump, be supporting him, be endorsing him, are we going to have to defend his positions back in our district? and ryan seems to be putting a lot of pressure right now on donald trump to say, you have to be looking out for every wing of the republican party. it's not just donald trump voters and that's all that matters. there's questions whether the conservative movement still has a real future under a donald trump administration. so, a lot of pressure being put on trump right now. >> as cakasie hunt was say, fute of conservatism, the republican party, donald trump and paul ryan have very basic differences in their ideas about where this party should be going. turn now to what you wrote about, though, if donald trump can mend fences with republicans, if he can get
elected president, what would a trump presidency actually look like? this is from your article, this was interesting. according to the trump team, this is what they think it would look like, first 100 days, by the end of his first 100 days as the nation's 45th lead, the wall with mexico designed, immigration ban on muslims would be in place, audit of the federal reserve under way, and plans to repeal the affordable care act would be in motion. that is a lot there, patrick. >> that's a lot. and, look, steve, mr. trump is clear. he's not interested in day one, day two, first few weeks, sitting around a table talking to foreign policy specialists about the pros and cons of the temporary ban on muslims or on the wall. he's not interested in that. he wants to go in, as quickly as possible, start turning this giant bureaucracy toward his goals. he doesn't want to be having lots of sort of policy paper
analysis, you know, driven conversations in the oval office. he wants these things done. it's part of his larger projection of power and sense what voters miss is this sort of aggressive, on the move, america that can get things done, that isn't just stalled out and tied up. whether he can do it, you know as well as i, steve, very hard to get this bureaucracy to start moving anywhere. a lot of this will require people like paul ryan to go along. >> did they get into specifics temporarily on the temporary ban of muslims entering the united states? this something they'd try to do through congress, sign an executive order on? i imagine the courts would have a lot of interest of it did they take you through the mechanics of it? >> i drilled down as far as i could, very in been tight with specifics, but their view is they can do a great deal of this through the vetting and visa process that in he can work with their people, people they'll put
at department of homeland security and the state department, that they don't need -- they're not looking for congress to pass a law that sweeps across an entire religious gruoup. i think in operation, it will have to do with certain countries, it sounds like, than asking people to name their religion as they're applying for a visa to come into the country. but their assumption they can do a lot of this within their own system, that they put in place. >> pat heely, an interesting article there, what a trump presidency might look like. other news to turn to now, firefighters still struggling to contain a massive wild fire in canada. it's already forced nearly 100,000 people to flee. >> i was actually working when it went down. was there till 12 last night and
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it seems like donald trump can't get no satisfaction when it comes to play list for his campaign rallies. the rolling stones, now the latest musical act to tell the presumptive republican nominee to get off my cloud and not use their music. msnbc's cal perry is here to start me up with latest. cal, we worked in as many rolling stones titles as we could. donald trump, at these rallies, all of the preshow music, i guess he selects it himself, and now he's getting nos from big names. >> so he claims himself to be a bit of a music buff, and if you saw after his win in indiana, he's been playing "start me up" the rolling stones not thrilled with this. they've put out a statement. we'll put it up on the screen, telling him they want him to start running the music. the rolling stones have never
given permission to the trump campaign to use the songs. donald trump may not need permission from the rolling stones you get a blanket agreement from some of the performance groups like bmi, this has happened before, there is precedent, bruce springsteen told reagan not to use "born in the usa," tom petty told michelle bachmann not to use "american girl." >> i have no problem. i like mick jagger. i like his songs. you know what? we use so many songs, and by the way, we have the rights to use them. >> steve, with that time not on my side, back to you. >> we've got four in there, not too bad. i can't think of another one. cal perry, thanks. that is going to do it for us this hour. i'm steve kornacki. tune in tomorrow, 4:00 p.m. eastern, joining a special edition of msnbc's "road
warriors" with katy tur, kristen welker. first, "mtp daily" starts now. if it's thursday, donald trump is set to hold his first rally since becoming the presumptive nominee. a span of 324 days, the trump campaign went from underestimated to unstoppable. just exactly how did the grand old party get trumped? it's a special one-hour "mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening. i'm chuck todd. here in washington. welcome to "mtp daily." what the hell just happened? that question is echoing through the far reaches of what is still a shell-shocked republican party right now. some are arguing that this