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the center of either party. >> republicans are having a hard time this week. some of them. all actual quotes from discouraged republicans. if you know one, be nice. that does it for us tonight. tomorrow from vermont. now, it is time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell". >> rachel, before you g send nick over here with that drum. we could use that. >> yes. >> it is perfect mode for 10:00. >> i will remove his sunglasses and wheel him over there. >> with or without the sunglasses, any way you want to do it. >> donald trump never was a self financing candidate. he has taken millions in contributions from the beginning. now, it looks like he will do what some of us predicted he might do. raise enough money to pay himself back for the money he loaned the campaign, and become,
like all other candidates, completely dependent on other people's money. what he says corrupts all the other candidates. and the trump versus cruz and kasich is over now, it is donald trump versus paul ryan. which republican or democrat will choose to be donald trump's losing running mate? >> i vote to support our nominee. i am not there right now. >> i am out. i am the only one left. >> he is calling for an independent candidate to run for president. >> many wants to see a standard bear that bears our standards. >> all of the living republican nominees, not a single one today is for donald trump. >> if it is donald trump at the top 10, this may be the race of my life.
>> hispanics, i think i will do well with the hispanic vote. >> he should understand be commander-in-chief. >> i had a major event in russia the miss universe contest. >> donald trump is saying, it is mine now. >> look, it really is mine, look. >> he needs to do more to unify this party. >> i will never vote for a guy to ban someone because of a god they worship. >> we got work to do. >> this is the last word on campaign 2016. >> whenever republican politician says something for or against donald trump t always check how donald trump did in the presidential primary in that politician's state or district. donald trump got wiped out in wisconsin, 18 points behind ted
cruz. we don't know what paul ryan would be saying today, if donald trump came in 18 points ahead in paul ryan's congressional district here is what paul ryan said today. >> i hope to support his candidacy, but i am not there right now it i think he has to do more, bring all wings of the republican party together go forward and appeal to all americans, in every walk of life. i think what a lot of republicans want to see is that we have a standard bearer that bears our standards. all the wings of the republican party. it is time to channelling that anger into solutions, it is time to set aside bulling and belittlement and appeal to higher aspirations.
>> if donald trump was serious about winning the presidency, he would have followed the advice that the experienced members of his staff gave him today. i agree with speaker ryan, it is time to ignite the party, and add about how confident he is that republicans will be able to unight. instead, donald trump's response came from the gut. the kind of response that his amateur campaign staff never had the wisdom to try to prevent him from saying, in a written statement, donald trump said, i am not ready to support speaker ryan's agenda perhaps in the future we can work together and come to an agreement for what is best for the american people. they have been treated so badly for so long, it is about time for politicians to put them first. so, he picks a fight with the speaker of the house. if donald trump, the elected president, speaker ryan will control is every move.
he no doubt believes that presidents are all powerful. speakers of the house r whenever they choose to be, more powerful than the president on all matters of domestic government all legislation. donald trump said he wants a big tax cut. paul ryan wants a big tax cut too, the one he will get is the one that paul ryan decides to give him. it will be written by paul written, every detail in it will come from what paul ryan's tax cut is, not the donald trump tax cut. every other piece of legislation donald trump might want to pass, would have to be part of paul ryan's agenda or go no where, won't get a hearing in the house. donald trump, lashed out today at the man who would have more power over him than anyone else
in washington, if donald trump became president. donald trump treated paul ryan like another candidate in the presidential primary. someone he could leave behind in the state. that is how political campaigning works that is not the way of politics of governing works of the paul ryan's state voted against don ambassador trump. paul ryan himself, no doubt, voted against him in the wisconsin primary. paul ryan's associates are standing against donald trump tonight. mitt roamy, who picked paul ryan as his running mate, he will not attend the convention. george bush, and bob doil said he might attend for a day.
>> former chief strategist for the campaign. and political analyst and a columnist for the daily beast. you know that paul, and the experienced guys in the campaign looked at the ryan statement and said, you just join him on the unity thing, leave it at that. the nuts in the tramp campaign, when frump said, i want to say, i don't care about him. those are the guys who cheer him on with this stuff. >> you talk about the implications if he other than to become president. the implications will set in sooner than that. if ryan and trump can't make peace, what would be republican platform be? they would have a huge platform fight. there is a time now and then for what you may call a real republican.
most of them are july, 900,000 signatures, ben sass, a republican senator from nebraska, well respected. he is ready, in 1948 t leave the democratic party with an independent. ben is saying he wants somebody else. i think they will end up with ben sass, there is a chance you will see him run as a real republican, quote, independent candidacy. >> this is, i am wrong to say that a professional republican presidential operative like stuart stevens would have looked
at that statement today and said to his candidate, take the parts we can agree w talk about that say something nice, yes, he is right about party unity and rosy and leave it at that? >> sure, you don't want to get in a fight with paul ryan. earlier tweeted out a photo of him having a taco bowl at cinco de mayo talking about how hispanics love him. it is embarrassing, and sort of, just crazy. listen. you know, republicans have nobody to blame but themselves. you know, it is kind of like, your pal who meets a stripper in rehab, and brings her home. gets engaged, brings her home to meet mom. it doesn't go well. you were surprised? this is donald trump, this is what it will be like. i hope ben does run. i could spin out a scenario,
thrown into the house, and the republicans perfer ben sass. someone that people can vote for who can't vote for donald trump or hillary clinton in good conscious, and feel proud to vote for someone like him. i invite everybody to follow ben on twitter and facebook. it is it extraordinary, what he is doing, he is saying that he would vote for someone and support someone who idelogically was different for him, someone who had good common sense, and could someone you could feel honorable about in the country. >> veteran of the bush presidential campaign, basically burned her republican card, said she is joining the libertarian party, good news for it libertarian party, they may get
more than 1% of the vote this time. >> abraham lincoln told a joke, about the man in the lemonade, he said absolutely not. but if some liquor got in the lemonade unbeknownst to me, it wouldn't do any harm. if hillary clinton got elected unbeknownst to me -- >> democrats, in 1972, they didn't just lose the election,
to richard nixon. they loeft control of the party. they found that new deal party became the new politics party. all of the union guys, all the cold war liberals found themselves banished from the party of truman and roosevelt. that is one of the things that traditionals are facing in the donald trump world. >> that is almost, less about trump than it is about each individual republican, and his or her conscious. if you believe that donald trump is a con man, as i do. you can't vote -- >> as marco rubio does. you can't both believe that, and support him for president and be a patriotic american. it is not patriotic to put a con man in charge of our constitution. people have to decide whether party asks too much. it is fascinating watching the
republicans go through what is essentially a moral exercise, to see if they put their country first or party first. >> take another step. if you believe that anything that any one of the republicans running against donald trump said about him, including what chris christie said about him in new hampshire, you can't vote for donald trump for president. >> i hate when you put it that way. >> i am not going to do it donald trump thing and attack others that disagree with me. it is a personal choice. i know what i am going to do. i am not going to say i am right. i am not going to say -- i know what feels right to me. i know what i can live with and feel good about. it is not to say that is the right choice.
>> what is that choice? you will get a ballot with -- >> i hope mary madeline is a libertarian, i will vote for her. ben sass, a candidate like that that you can be proud of. that would be better for candidates, it, if donald trump is the nominee which appears to be, the white house is really lost, ru talking about saving the set. i think having a candidate like ben sass as a third party, give people to come out and vote, philadelphia or cincinnati, who would not in a millionaire years be seen driving to the polls to vote for donald trump. >> i have no way to put a number
on it. the future of the party, that david is talking about, and -- i think it is an important point. i don't think sitting around thanksgiving dinner, there will know a lot of trump republicans. i think there will be people who voted for trump. i don't think in any way people will be carrying a torch for donald trump. >> the libertarian nomination convention is memorial day weekend, the race starts then. thank you all for tonight. >> and ben carson said he won't be a vice presidential candidate for donald trump. he has taken himself out of consideration. donald trump will be getting national intelligence briefings when he gets the republican nomination. that has intelligence officials
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>> there are two different donald trumps, the one you see on the stage, and the one who is very cerebral, sits there and considers things carefully. you can have a very good conversation with him. >> dr. carson decided he does not want to be vice president for either one of those donald trumps, he has taken himself out of that running for that nomination, if he was in the conversation for that nomination. when you find something you love, you can never get enough of it. change the way you with xfinity x1.
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are facing now on the republican side is who should be, one of the issues they are facing, a lot of interest going into that. ben carson, said he doesn't want the position of vice president. in the trump administration. ben carson said i am not interested in doing that for a number of reasons. i don't want to be a distraction, how crazy the media was about me. it is too important a time in our life. ben carson said that democrats may be among those considered for a running mate, donald trump denied he would consider a domcrat. he said, i am sure ben is
speaking from the standpoint that republicans have not made it easy on me. i am a republican, and 100% pick an outstanding republican to run with me as vice president. the latest electoral college from the cook projects, 304 votes for the nominee. and 190 for the republican nom nee, donald trump, with 44 electoral votes remaining too close to call at this point. in no scenario there, could donald trump win the necessary 2 sechblt electoral votes to become the president of the you said. with 187 days left for the campain, joining us tonight, steve, a veteran of three campaigns, howard dean's 2004 campaign, and killian conway, a veteran of newt gingrich's 2012 campaign. you were running part of the ted cruz super pack, you could never be in the war room, you cannot cooperate like that.
the trump war room, 180 days, what did they do today? what did it trump campaign do today to attract voters they don't already v. >> several things i would say. he got another news cycle from hillary clinton. he is out in west virginia, a state that bill clinton carried that hillary clinton has not. >> when you say that -- he already has that. >> you hear gloom and doom. it is over. throw my hands up in the air. there are competitive senate races as well. he did there, he did what donald trump usually does. he took his opponent's words and used them against them three weeks later. he said, i will put the coal industry out of business, he said he will put them back to work. short list for vice president. prominent republicans coming out against donald trump, that they won't vote for him.
you never heard them say, i will never serve as his vice president. >> all people at the top of the list. >> maybe. chris christie is en for vp, newt -- >> i believe chris christ ow has an ad out for that. >> and marshall blackburn, she is a conservative female from tennessee, who would be a great re -- >> i don't believe it will be a blow-out. i think you put nonresilient nonnimble hillary clinton against wow factor donald trump, we don't know what it will produce. >> a big switch for donald trump, doing it publicly now. he is getting someone to run his fundraising, formerly with goldman-sacks.
the claim to self financing will disappear. this has been a central pillar of trump integrity. what do it clinton war room do with that? they see that move, financing the campaign with wall street money just like everybody else. >> i mean, what clinton campaign will be doing and thinking about today is you know, trying to continue to drive a wedge between main stream republicans like paul ryan and others, who are deeply conflicted about donald trump's candidacy, and the take over of the business man from wall street and the republican party. they'll cement will incident that you see. there -- donald trump was in west virginia, a state he shouldn't have to visit in order to carry. he is running backward.
i think that clinton campaign right now, understands that in their war room, in this war room, i would be currentlying them to continue to drive the division within the party. to continue to highlight the statements of people like paul ryan, and continue to promote the candidacy of the man where i am from. i don't need to vote for him. i have a candidate i think will being a great president. nominee this one -- >> i am not giving you advice, i am analyzing, if donald trump is analyzing in west virginia. >> the rally was scheduled. they have a primary. he showed up to tell the voters thank you. >> okay. he needs to be going to the purple states, you know this as well as anybody. he needs to be in ohio, florida. >> he has plenlty of time to do that.
>> decide, well, nis numbers are so bad. >> just like hillary, he is not yet the nominee. >> what does he need to do to attract new voters. >> hillary clinton in los angeles saying, donald trump is doubling down on his attacks and talking about deporting 11 million people, which he said again last night on nbc news, he would deport 11 million people. the law enforcement resources don't exist to do it. it is impossible. he locked himself on to an impossible idea that alienates massive numbers of voters. >> what he will do to attract voters, in the primaries and caucuses, reach in to the workers, many of them voted for democrats before. you see the people turning over in the voter roles in pennsylvania, where thousands renounced their registration,
registered for donald trump. indiana had a surge north -- in registration. voting for donald trump. i think he will be in the states where he took on bernie sanders and hillary clinton and beat her. >> leaving the republican party today. we haven't seen anything like this. nothing like we have seen on the republican side or on the democratic side. what is the clinton campaign do when they see those kinds of defections. she said she is going to vote libertarian. that is good enough for the democrats. >> it is good enough trying to see, i think they are smart to try to continue to drive the divisions within the republican party, to make it a choice as stevens d between patriotism, and partisanship.
>> veterans of the war room. thank you both. i appreciate it. coming up. once donald trump is officially the nominee, when he leave that is convention, he will get an intelligence briefing. that has some intelligence experts -- very worried. former national security advisor to several president, richard clark will join us. constipated? trust number one doctor recommended dulcolax use dulcolax tablets for gentle overnight relief
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i have been listening carefully to the music played at the donald trump rallies. do the rolling stones want the music played at donald trump rallies? you won't hear the rolling stones at the rallies any more. how is mick going to get what he wants? first, here is how it looked on the campaign trail today. >> tracking the latest developments from coast to coast. >> safe to say there is mixed messages here. on one hand, a change of tone from trump. >> everybody is out, i am the only one left, that is okay, right? >> on the other hand, you have him doubling down. >> everybody wants the wall. we will have the wall.
>> republicans having a bit of a difficult time embracing this. >> we will have people that are not going to want to play the game. that is okay. if they don't want to, i don't think it matters. >> if anything, the pendulum is swinging away from him right now. >> he will be going out and doing what he said he would not do. >> i don't take the contributions. >> go out to lobbyists and ask for mopey. >> now turning all of his focus on hillary clinton. >> affectionately call her crooked hillary. >> anyone running for office should spend as much time listening than talking. >> crooked hillary. >> it matters how many delegates you v. >> top officials saying, taking on trump is her top priority. one of her supporters say it is defcon 1 right now. >> it is a loose cannon we cannot afford. >> i don't know what mr. trump's thinking s except that he will
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a tradition started in 19 poo, a very serious tradition. there is no rule or law that requires it, simply by tradition, by custom, since 1952, democratic and republican nominees for president get a national security briefing after they accept their party's nominations at their conventions, many officials are reportedly terrified with sharing intelligence information with donald frump, when he leaves the convention in cleveland. only by tradition, nominees receive an intelligence briefing so they will be up to speed as up to speed if possible, if they take the oath of office in january. the intelligence community has never have to brief a nominee, who is a known conspiracy theory retweeter, a pathological liar as ted cruz called him, for saying that ted cruz's father was somehow involved in the assassination of john f.
kennedy. what everybody knows about donald trump, he is capable of saying anything at any time, true, false, completely invented, donald trump does not -- he has the most dangerous mind ever to be entrusted with national security information. here is a sample of what has the intelligence community worried about talking to donald trump. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shut down of muslims entering the u.s. >> what do you talk to for military advice right now? >> well, i watch your shows. >> then they look at me, what do you think mr. trump? i said, i think it is fine. frankly, if we k i would go many steps further than water boarding. many, many steps further.
then there is isis. i have a simple message for them. their days are numbered, i won't tell them where, i won't tell them how, isis will be gone if i am elected president. >> nominee its each receive the same intelligence information but it is up to president obama to determine exactly what classified information will be shared with them. unnamed former u.s. intelligence official told the daily beast, my concern with trump that he inadvertently leaks, pulls something out of a hat, he heard in a briefing and say it. it is concern that he will talk publicly about what is to stay in that room. richard clark was a key national security advisor for ronald
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yes, i can keep a secret probably almost better than anybody i know. maybe better than anybody know i. >> richard clarke, what is your, i want to go back to the thing i mentioned in the other segment. it is up to president obama, what is actually in this briefing. is it fair for us to assume, this it will be the narrowist briefing a presidential candidate has ever seen? >> i think that is a safe assumption. you can get an intelligence briefing without it containing secrets, that sounds like a contradiction. an intelligence briefing is an assessment written by intelligence analysts, they can do that with open source information, information that is available to the public. the fact that it was written by an intelligence agency makes it an intelligence briefing. it doesn't have to have information from spies or
photography. >> hillary clinton is walking around, as i am sure you are to this day, with classified information in her head she has known for many years, bringing her up to speed is easier, as it would be for any former secretary of state, than anybody who has ever been in government in any way. narrowing her to what may be this rather tiny range intelligence briefing that donald trump gets, won't it seems to me be diminishing her current understanding of the world very much. >> my understanding is that she is already getting open source intelligence briefings every morning from her own team. i understand that she has hundreds of national security experts on call and that they prepare reports for her. most in-depth issue reports and a daily morning report. she is probably already getting
more information from open sources, but filtered by experts than will be in any briefing that two candidates get. >> what do you make of donald trump's comparison, of hillary clinton's handling of e-mail, and ways he plans to keep secrets himself. >> secretary clinton made a mistake using a personal e-mail account. our current defense secretary did so as well. rather more recently, so did colin powell, and condi rice, when they were secretaries of state. i don't know if her private e-mail server was hacked. i do know that state department e-mails her was hacked. had she been using the state department, as some thought she should have, the chinese would have been reading that we know the chinese got into the state department system.
what it point says out is how bad i it security is in the federal g how bad i it is in general. it is clunky and hard to use. >> there are reports indicating that some of hillary clinton's state department staff have been interviewed by the fbi, that hillary clinton has not yet been interviewed by the fbi, do you have a reading on this case, at this point, based on the public information that we know about? >> thankfully, i am not a lawyer. i do understand national security rules, i had to live under them for 30 years. the question here is a matter of intent. did you intentionally reveal classified information? intentionally give it to somebody who wasn't authorized to get it? if someone did that they are in trouble. the degree of their trouble is open to question.
it might result in their being banned from reading classified information for a period of time. >> going forward in this campaign, you have david cameron, today, in london, saying everything that he said about donald trump's positions being stupid still holds. staying with that. have we ever seen anything like this as angle international reaction by foreign leadiers to a nominee in the united states? >> not they remember. i started in national security in the carter administration, through the regan administration, and the two bush administrations, all throughout clinton. i don't recall anything quite like this. there is a universal reaction among foreign leaders and foreign political parties on both ends of the political spectrum. outside of right wing groups,
they are terrified on the prospect of trump. in part, they don't know anyone who is advising him. most of the republican national security experts have already signed a piece of paper saying they won't have anything to do with him. he can't name anyone who is advising him. that gives everybody pause. national security is not something that you can pick up and start doing, once you get elected. >> richard kwlarke, thank you for sharing your expertise with us tonight. new book called "pinnacle event." >> thank you. >> coming up, the rolling stones versus donald trump. who will win that one? ♪ ♪
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what did you think when you first heard rolling stones music playing at a donald trump rally. i thought, the roling stones can't approve of this it turns out, they do not. mcjagger and the roling stones versus donald trump, next. to folks out there whose diabetic nerve pain... shoots and burns its way into your day, i hear you. to everyone with this pain that makes ordinary tasks extraordinarily painful, i hear you. make sure your doctor hears you too! i hear you because i was there when my dad suffered with diabetic nerve pain. if you have diabetes and burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands, don't suffer in silence! step on up and ask your doctor about diabetic nerve pain. tell 'em cedric sent you.
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you should not be hearing the rolling stones at donald trump rally anymore. after this statement. the rolling stones have never given permission to the trump campaign to use their songs and have requested that they cease their use immediately. >> he is author of the upcoming book, the sun, the moon and the rolling stones, he is a co-creator, with mick jagger of the hbo show, "vinyl." martin scorces -- >> you maintained peace.
>> you worked with mick jagger on "vinyl" you are aware of what he thinks politically now. what was your reaction when you heard rolling stones music at dochbald trump rally. >> he has better taste than i thought. he picked "brown sugar." it is a nasty song. it is about kind of heroin, and i thought there was no way they will let it go on. it is the opposite of what they are all b. >> can they stop it? rich? do you have to license the music to use it at an event like that? >> you get a blanket, it is
embarrassing. if you are playing a song by someone, we don't want him playing that song. it is like, are you at a party where nobody wants you. you don't want to stay at that party. >> what do you know about mick jagger's politics? >> well, i know that many years ago, he toyed with running for parliament as the labor party, on the left. that was a long time ago. since then, he has gotten older, he has been knighted. you become a royal. like an extra piece on you in checkers, all kinds of powers, i guess. rock stars as a species, rock stars are to the left. you hear about rock stars complaining about their songs used by republicans, never by democrats. >> vinyl wrapped, you have you had a chance to talk to them about the trump controversy?
>> just the idea of "start me up" by the way, a reggae song. trump coming out to a reggae song, it is pretty funny. >> it is amazing, moussically, where does this leave trump? i think there were a few musicians on celebrity apprentice from time to time. he may be able to use some of their stuff? >> i think we all know, it leaves trump with ted nugent. his only choice. "smoke on the water." deep purple. i am not sure, steer clear of the stones in the mid 1970s. >> rich, do you expect more artists to be issuing statements like this? trump will be basically grabs from the juke box. >> go back to sinatra. a dead artist from an earlier era. >> then you have nancy sinatrato deal with. >> that's right.
>> appreciate it. >> chris hayes is up next. are you with him or against him? let's play hardball. >> good evening. i'm chris matthews up in new york. not ready for trump. that's the word from paul ryan said this afternoon donald trump needs to change his cadence. that's his word. cut out the bullying and reassure conservatives he shares their principles. >> to be perfectly candid with you, i'm not ready to do that at this point. i'm not there right now. i hope too. i want to. i think what is required is that we unify this party. i