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  Meet the Press  MSNBC  May 8, 2016 11:05am-11:21am PDT

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pay for women because he doesn't think much of women. >> for trump, the attacks are personal. >> she was the total enabler. she would go after these women and destroy their lives. have you read what hillary clinton did to the women that bill clinton had affairs with? and they're going after me with women. give me a break, folks. >> yesterday, i spoke with mr. trump and began by asking if he waw surprised to have already wrapped up the republican nomination. >> well, i thought i would do it. i didn't know i would do it this early. i assumed hillary would be watching me. so that's good and it's going to be an interesting thing because bernie sanders is not being treated fairly. it's a rigged system against him, also. i'm no bernie fan, i can tell you that, but it's a rigged system. >> do you believe the republican system was pretty rigged too even though you're winning it?
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>> yeah, totally rigged. totally rigged and only that i was winning by so much, in land slides every week. if i weren't, i wouldn't have been able to do it because it was dictated by the bosses. i'm happy with it. like a boxer, you have to go and knock out the opponent. we won so many landslide states, especially the last seven or eight, so there was nothing they could do about it. >> you complained about the system a lot. are you now openo same-day registration, allowing people to vote in any party they want? will you advocate for those positions to make it easier to vote since your voters had a hard time? >> i have always done better when independents could cross over, and frankly, when democrats could cross over. in new york, when we were doing
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the voting, they interviewed a lot of people interviewed the people at the voting booths that man the voting booths. >> in new york, had there been same-day voter registration, those people could have voted. are you for that? >> they said they never have seen so many democrats wanting to vote for trump. they were by the thousands. on election day, we're going to do well in new york. people were saying to the press they have never seen anything like it. >> but i'm just curious, do you want to see the voting laws changed to make it easier to vote? >> i want to see voting laws so that people that are citizens can vote, not so people that can walk off the street and can vote or so that illegal immigrants can vote. >> not for same-day? >> i want to make the voting laws, it doesn't matter how they do it, but i don't think people should sneak in through the cracks. you have to have -- and whether that's an i.d., but you have to be a citizen to vote. >> of course. that is the law. as it stands -- >> no, it's not. you have places where people just walk in and vote. >> we don't have a lot of time. i want to move on. let me talk about the paul ryan situation. frankly, you seem pretty annoyed by this. are you?
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>> no. it's just the way it is. i don't think it hurts me at all. and i would like to have his support, but if he doesn't want to support me, that's fine. we have to go about it. look, i'm going to get millions and millions of votes more than the republicans would have gotten. if you look at the numbers, i think right now or i will be this week or next week, in the history of the republican party, nobody has ever gotten so many votes as i have. i have beaten eisenhower and nixon and reagan and everybody. and we have a tremendous group of people that's voting. and remember, i have a lot of states left. if you look at the percentages. i got 62% in new york and i got these massive numbers all over, and i have three candidates. i was having to beat three candidates. nobody ever mentions that. you get 62%, but it's not just about one person. it's against three. >> your case to paul ryan is, hey, the voters have decided. get onboard? >> i would say that's true. to be honest. i like paul ryan, he's a good guy.
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he called me three weeks ago and was so supportive. i got blindsided by it. >> you feel blindsided. >> would say stunned, it's politics. i'm never stunned by anything that happened in politics. i was blindsided a little bit because he spoke to me three weeks ago, a nice call, encouraging call. i was doing well. he called me, i think, to congratulate me for new york because i won my massive numbers and the next week, i won five states in a row by landslide numbers. he called me to congratulate me, couldn't have been nicer. i have a nice relationship with him. don't know him well, met him one time. and then all of a sudden he gets on and does this number. so i'm not exactly sure what he has in mind. >> if he can't endorse you, do you think he should be chair of the convention? >> i don't want to mention now. i'll see after. i will give you a very solid answer if that happens about one minute after that happens. there's no reason to give it right now.
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>> sounds like i know what the answer is, but you don't want to say it yet. you're not -- you don't want to issue threats. you're not going to issue a public threat. >> i don't think that's going to happen. the party has come together. i have tremendous number of endorsements. i'm never going to get romney's endorsement. i'm never going to get bush's election. he doesn't say he spent $10 million on negative ads, but jeb bush, i was tough on him and he tried to be tough on me, but he's not a very tough guy. i was tough on him. the fact is, and by the way, by the way, chuck, very important, he signed a pledge. he pledged that he would support the nominee. and so did this lightweight lindsey graham. he pledged he would support the nominee. >> you threatened to back away from that pledge a lot.
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for various reasons. >> no, no, no. i didn't back away. in fact, one of the reasons i didn't back away is i happen to be a very honorable guy. i signed a pledge. and that's a binding pledge. i heard it's not binding. well, it is a binding pledge. i have the best lawyers in the world. they say it's a binding pledge. >> it was very binding for south carolina. that was the only way to get on the ballot. >> remember this. jeb bush signed a pledge. a binding pledge. lindsey graham signed a binding pledge that they would endorse, that they would support and endorse. that's what it says. now they're breaking. that's a question of honor. they are not honorable people when they do that. >> let me ask you about mitt romney, as you know, there's
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chatter that he's being recruited to run as an independent. i know you say you don't care that you have his support. but if you could have a sit-down with mitt romney, if he came to you when he was wanting your endorsement, have you thought about traveling to him and seeing if you can sort of calm the waters with him at all? and if you did, what would you say to him? >> well, here's the story. i helped mitt a lot. i raised a lot of money for him. i ruined the carpet in my apartment, we had so many people come. we had two fund-raisers because there were so many people for his wife, who is a fantastic woman, by the way. i had these fund-raisers in my apartment. they called me for help. i did robocalls. speeches, everything, during the primary season, during the election season. they should have used me in florida. he would have won florida, but they had this campaign manager, stewart whatever, who didn't like donald trump. he thought donald trump was too tough and too controversial and don't use him. so they didn't use me. that was okay. when it came down to the convention, i wasn't a part of the convention. that was okay. what happened is i was rough on mitt because i didn't think they treated me properly. i helped him, really helped him, gave him a lot of money, helped him with robocalls, every single
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robocall i made, he won that state. every single speech i made, he won the state in terms of the primaries. when it came time to the general election, i waited for the call. i didn't care. if they don't want to call me, that's okay. if i would have been asked to help him in florida, you saw what i did in florida. i would have helped him. wait a minute. if mitt romney did that, i would be happy to talk to him. i think it's great. >> he owes you a thank you. you want him to thank you first for 2012 before you will reach out to him? >> i helped mitt romney. >> and you feel like he was ungrateful? >> i believe i won him or helped him win five states. >> you sound like he was ungrateful? >> he was, which is okay. a lot of people are ungrateful, but he was ungrateful. they did not respond accordingly, and that's okay. >> let me move on. let me move on to some issue things. there's a few things that some people think are contradictions. i want to see if i can pin you down here.
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the issue of taxes. your tax plan is one where the biggest beneficiaries are the .1% when it comes to raw dollars that will be saved among taxes. but then in an interview earlier this week, you seem to say, you know, my tax plan, it's not set in stone. maybe i'll raise taxes. maybe i'll actually raise taxes on the rich. so i guess which is it? are you willing to raise taxes on the .1% or not? >> let me explain how the world works. i think nobody knows more about taxes than i do and income than i do. but i'll explain how it works. i come up with the biggest tax cut by far of any candidate, anybody. and i put it in. but that doesn't mean that's what we're going to get. we have to negotiate. the thing i'm going to do is make sure the middle class gets good taxes. tax breaks, because they have been absolutely shunned. the other thing i'm going to
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fight very hard for business. for the wealthy, i think frankly it's going to go up. you know what? it really should go up. >> wealthy need to pay more taxes. what do you define as wealthy, by the way? >> let me explain. somebody like me. let me explain something. i'm putting in a plan, chuck. i have to negotiate now with senators and congressmen. the fact i put in a plan, it really is a floor. that's what it is. whether we like it or not. i put in my plan. it's simple to see. it's a simplification. we lower the number of brackets. we lower the taxes on the middle class, on business, and we lower the taxes on everybody. very substantially. but i have no illusions. i don't think that's going to be the final plan because they're going to come to me, including the democrats and everybody else. they're going to come and want to negotiate. that's a floor, that's where we're starting. when it comes time to negotiate,
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i feel less concerned with the rich than i do with the middle class. >> it sounds like -- >> very concerned -- >> should we assume that most of your plans, then, we shouldn't take you at your word. they're sort of floors, what you described, it's my opening statement, but everything is negotiating? >> excuse me. it's called life, chuck. it's not my word. of course, i put in a proposal. you know what they are, they're really proposals. people say it's a tax plan. it's a tax proposal. after i put it in and i think you know the senate and congress. you know as much as anybody. they start working with you, and they start fighting. and you know, let's see what happens. i put in a proposal. under my proposal, it's the biggest tax cut by far of any candidate by far. i'm not under the illusion that's going to pass. they're going to come to me. they're going to wand to raise it for the rich. they're going to want to raise it for the rich more than anybody else, but the middle class has to be protected. the rich are probably going to pay more and business might have to pay more, but we're giving a massive business tax cut. we're the highest taxed nation in the world. >> wait a minute, let me stop you there. you said businesses might pay more. you said business might pay more, but we're going to get them a massive tax cut.
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within ten words. >> i didn't say it. excuse me. i said they might have to pay more than my proposal. >> of your proposal. i wanted to get that clear. >> than my proposal. i'm not talking about more than they're paying now. the highest taxed nation in the world. our businesses pay more taxes than any businesses in the world. that's why companies are leaving. so they may have to pay more than my proposal, is what i mean. >> no, no, i wanted to clear that up. >> good. i'm glad you cleared it up. >> minimum wage, at a debate, you remember what you said, you didn't want to touch it. now you're open to it. what changed? >> let me just tell you, i have been traveling the country for many months, since june 16th, all over. today i'm in the state of washington where the arena right behind me, you probably hear, is packed with thousands and thousands of people. i'm doing that right after i finish you. i have seen what is going on. i don't know how people make it on $7.25 an hour. now, with that being said, i would like to see an increase of some magnitude, but i would rather leave it to the states. let the states decide. don't forget, the states have to compete with each other. >> so set a floor and let the states -- >> no, i would rather have the states go out and do what they have to do.
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and the states compete with each other, not only other countries but with each other, chuck. i like the idea of let the states decide. i think people should get more. i think they're out there, they're working. it is a very low number. you know, with what's happened to the economy, with what's happened, it's just, i don't know how you live on $7.25 an hour. i would say let the states decide. >> another contradiction has been on your feelings toward hillary clinton. in 2012, as she was leaving secretary of state, you praised her. you thought she did a good job. you said, you know what, she's not pushing her agenda. she had to carry on someone else's agenda. before that, you didn't fault her on the iraq war vote because you said, you know what, she got bad intelligence like a lot of other people got. now -- >> didn't get bad intelligence. i didn't get bad intelligence. >> i understand that. you said you kind of forgave her on that early on.
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now you're calling her, she's been crooked from the start. this goes back to, which donald trump do we believe on your feelings toward hillary clinton? 2012 or now? >> okay. so recently, a magazine said donald trump is a world class businessman, and i am. i built an amazing company, some of the greatest assets in the world, just great stuff, all over the world. i go all over the world. i'm in europe, in asia, all over the world. i'm not looking to get in fights with politicians. i'm not looking to get in fights with the secretary of state, so when i do something in a country, wherever it may be, in dubai, where i'm doing big jobs and other places, in china where i'm actually getting ready to sign big jobs through my company. i want to get along with politicians. when somebody says, what do you think of hillary clinton? number one, i'm not looking at it that closely because i'm in
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business. but when somebody says, three, four, five years ago, let's look at hillary clinton, what do you think? she's doing great. i say everybody is doing great. the fact is she has not done a good job. when i look at what happens with libya, when i look at what happened with benghazi, when you look at the migration, all of the things, but i'm not looking to criticize. you can look at many politicians that haven't done a good job. how are they doing? they're doing just fine. >> do you think you can do it before the election? >> i hope so. i would like to. i have no problem with releasing the tax returns. if the audit is finished, i'll do it as soon as the audit is finished. i have already given my financials. my financials show i'm worth more than $10 billion by any
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stretch of the imagination. you don't learn much from tax returns, but you can't do it until i'm done with there audit. >> the crowd is fired up. >> fired up. >> big washington state stars up there. thank you for coming on, sir.