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now his prospects are worse than they were. winning west virginia felt great. i am sure, and a win feels better than a loss any time. but the task has only gotten bigger. he is running an impressive campaign. last night was an impressive win by senator sanders, but the numbers at the shot of winning the nomination, those numbers last night got worse for him, not better. don't be mad. it's not me being mean. it's just math. okay. you're going to be mad anyway. i can't talk you out of it. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you tomorrow. now it's time for the last word. >> i don't think you're mean. >> thank you. you're very nice. you're the last one. >> okay. >> thank you, rachel. michael moore will join us tonight. his film is the perfect summary of what donald trump does not understand about the world.
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also tonight, a key member of the obama campaign war room will tell us about the single most important thing that donald trump does not understand about winning presidential campaigns. but first, we are now less than 12 hours away from donald trump's meeting with the man who will be in complete control of the trump agenda if donald trump does become president. >> mr. trump goes to washington. >> his fellow republicans are slowly getting behind him. >> this is a wild week in washington and tomorrow will be the main event. >> though some of them might be back there to push him down a flight of stairs. >> it's the most anticipated closed door meeting in recent memory. >> you want the first time you endorsed donald trump to be special. >> we need to get to know each other. >> shut your eyes and think of reagan. >> there are low expectations for this. >> this is a big ten party. >> snake belly low. >> it's broken into three
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different factions within the house gop conference. >> i have a lot of respect for paul, and i think we'll have a good meeting, i hope. >> there's the always trump, sometimes trump, and never trump. >> no, it was always you, donald. i mean, can you imagine? me married to paul ryan? >> look, this isn't about ryan and trump. >> i feel confident that hillary will be the nominee and she'll be the next president. >> bernie sanders runs stronger against donald trump than does hillary clinton. >> i think i would have been the best president. >> if i get to be the nominee, i'm looking forward to debating donald trump in the fall. >> hillary clinton debuted her new message, i'm not donald trump. >> this is the last word on campaign 2016. >> and now donald trump is paul ryan's problem. no speaker of the house has had a problem like donald trump. speaker ryan has to figure out how to deal with the republican
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presidential nominee who demonstrated ignorance about how the government works. a candidate who seems to have no idea that cutting or raising taxes is up to congress which is to say the speaker of the house, not the president. a candidate who has no idea that the president cannot raise tariffs, only congress, and undisciplined, incoherent candidate caught lying to often every day that most of the news media has long ago given up any attempt to correct his lies. never mind express outrage over them. a candidate who has reversed himself several times on policy positions, usually within the same day. and who has now reversed himself on the essential character of his candidacy, the self-financing candidate. it was never true that donald trump was self-financing. he has collected millions in contributions throughout the campaign, but now he's going to
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formally give up any pretense of self-financing and go to work raising money in that same dirty way he has accused other politicians of doing, politicians like paul ryan. donald trump lost to paul ryan's district. he lost in paul ryan's state. wisconsin people are not eagerly waiting to see the most powerful office holder they have ever had in washington. embrace donald trump. here's what paul ryan said today when asked about tomorrow's meeting. >> to pretend we're unified without unifying, we go into the fall at half strength. there's plenty of room for different policy disputes within this party. we come can from different wings of the party. the goal is to unify the various wings of the party along common principles. we have an obligation to merge around our common principles to offer this country a choice and better way forward.
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that's going to take some party unification. >> donald trump told "the new york times" he has no plans to change anything about his campaign. he said, quote, you pin the pennant and now you're in the world series. you going to change? people like the way i'm doing. those are his words. i think i have a mandate from the people. paul ryan met today with what might be the smallest caucus in congress, the trump caucus, a group of only 13 members of the house of representatives. joining us now, someone who was in that meeting today. a republican from tennessee, also with us, tom davis, a former congressman from virginia and peter winer, senior fellow at the ethics and public policy center. congressman, tell us what you can about the meeting today with paul ryan. >> well, i think first and
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foremost paul ryan is anxious and interested to sit down with donald trump and talk to him. donald trump is not a politician, has not been around the hill like many of the other candidates were. i think that's something that paul was looking forward to doing, and i think he'll come away with a positive impression. >> and congressman, were there any demands that you were making that your group was making of paul ryan? >> i don't know that there were any demands. i think that paul, as i said, has not really had a chance to sit down and talk with mr. trump, but i do think that kevin mccarthy, steve skalese and a lot of the other people have gotten behind donald trump as a nominee. and i hope paul ryan will come out with that same attitude. >> what did the speaker tell you he wanted to hear from donald trump tomorrow? >> i think he just wants to talk to him about various policy issues. speaker ryan needs to unite the republican party and the house. donald trump needs to unite the country. they have different tasks but
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the republican party has different factions and always has. it was that way before donald trump. i think they just want to sit down and does policy issues and how we can best unite moving forward to beat clinton clinton in the fall. >> did the speaker give you the impression or suggest he would be endorsing donald trump? >> i think it's inevitable, honestly. donald trump is our nominee. and i don't understand why mitt romney did what he did today, but paul ryan is a calculated policy-oriented guy. i think he has the right to have the meeting. when i first met with donald trump, i had some reservations, but after meeting and talking with him, i felt much better about it. >> tom davis, we've never seen a speaker in this situation. what should paul riyan do? >> i don't think he knows trump at all except from his switches on positions and his public pronouncements of insulting
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different groups. i think they need to get a chemistry. at the end of the day, he doesn't have a choice. they have to hang together or they hang separately. you don't have a separation. the whole thing crashes and burns. i think they need to get familiar and try to get some ground rules in a they can work together on and move from there. i think he also has problems in his own caucus if he doesn't come around eventually. i think it's helpful for both of them to understand the ground rules. i had a similar problem when i ran for congress. i had oliver north at the top of the ticket. we were very different. we sat down and went our separate ways but it was not in a disagreeable faction. we did what we had to do. >> peter, if the trump presidential campaign is crashing and burning, why wouldn't paul ryan want to do everything he could to get house campaigns out of the way of that disaster? >> i think that's a good question, and, actually, i think that probably is factoring into
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ryan's thinking. i think other things are as well. look, i agree with what congressman davis said as a general matter, but i think donald trump is malicious and malignant force on the american political landscape. i think he would be dangerous as president. i think he'll be tremendous damage to the republican party, and the idea that the republican party of lincoln and reagan ought to rally around this person who as you said is relentlessly ignorant and narcissistic and crude and cruel, and he's just a lot of trouble. and so i don't think that the republicans should rally around him. i know most will. but i think when the history of the times are written, it's a mistake. this is like a joe mccarthy moment. >> what's your response, congressman? >> i would say to peeter, look t the democratic party and the divide. can hillary beat bernie? >> congressman, can i get you to
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respond to specifically what peter just said about your candidate, donald trump? >> well, i think peter is out of touch with the american voters. we had a primary process. there were 17 candidates. this is who the american people chose state after state, donald trump is winning. he's picking up momentum. he was less behind in the polls than ronald reagan was against jimmy carter at the same time. now there's a poll today where hillary and donald are about the same. >> you're not responding to any of the specific descriptions peter just gave of donald trump. you're talking about voter totals and that, but peter made some specific statements about donald trump, the man, the human being, the character, the lack of character. >> peter gave his opinion. i don't know if you want me to respond with his opinions. i disagree. i sat down with donald trump in a meeting with several of the representativ representatives he was engaging. he listened to our concerns and thoughts. i find him very parental.
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i hear him talk about his kids and family. i disagree with peter. he has a right to his opinion. i don't think he's accurate. >> tom, between those two polls of visions of donald trump among republicans in washington, what's your in sense of the majority of elected republicans? >> i think the surveys show that trump will lose a slice of the republicans but probably a lot more than 15% at the end. just because of their antipathy against hillary clinton. this isn't an automatic i won you have to support me. ryan is saying we want to be there, but what you said makes it difficult for those of us who live in a more civilized society in washington. >> let's listen to what he said today when he was asked does he regret what he said about john mccain. >> i like john mccain. and john mccain is a hero. also heros are people that are
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you know whether they get ought or don't get caught. they're all heros. >> so do you regret saying that? >> i like not to regret anything. >> of course. >> you say things, and what i said, frankly, is what i said, and some people like what i said. if you want to know the truth. i mean, there are many people that like what i said. after i said that, my poll numbers went up seven points? >> peter, that's a very strange thing to say. i like not to regret anything. especially when you have a lot to regret, actually. this is a man who i think has said he hasn't asked for forgiveness once in his life as a christian. let me take up with the congressman said quickly. he talks about the will of the people. first, the voice of the people is not the voice of god, and if the argument is the will of the people is always right, then as a republican he as to explain
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barack obama winning more than 50% of the vote for two elections. so it's not, in fact, a conservative belief or a belief of any serious theory that people are always right. in terms of the congressman saying that -- what i said about mr. trump's opinion, it's an opinion informed on facts. you referred to him as relentlessly ignorant once. he is. we have debates to prove it. he don't know what the nuclear triad is. he was asked about it in a debate and didn't know about it. he didn't know about autism. he thinks vaccinations cause it. he doesn't know the difference between the kurds and the cuds force in iran. in one debate he talked about starting the debate he was in favor of high skill immigrants. then he was against it. by the end he flipped.
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he should not be the nominee of the republican party. if he is, republicans shouldn't rally around him. >> congressman, quickly before we go. on this issue of him refusing to admit that he regrets anything, saying he doesn't like to regret anything, you've publicly regretted, yourself, having affairs and supporting your wife's decision to have abortions. that was painful for you to admit and -- but you very -- you were clear about your regrets about this. everyone regrets something. do you find it believable that donald trump, as he's close to 70 years old, has nothing to regret in his life? >> i mean, i guess that's the question that you should ask donald trump, and i'm sure maybe he'd be happy to come on your show and answer the questions. again, if washington is so smart and brilliant and sophisticated, why are the people so upset. why does congress have a high disaprovable rating.
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donald trump brings a new perspective, which is a business perspective. i think that appeals to a lot of people. he says things that a lot of people are afraid to say due to political correctness. you don't have to worry about donald trump stabbing you in the back. he'll stab you in the heart, but he says what he says and stands by it. i think people like to see that strength. it's something we haven't had in this country probably since reagan. he's a lot like reagan. i think he has a lot of appeal. he's generating a lot of excitement. i'll be surprised if he doesn't win the election in the fall. >> all right. that's going to have to be the last word in our all republican segment tonight. thank you very much to all of you. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> coming up, michael moore is here to talk about 2016, donald trump, and what donald trump doesn't understand about america and the world. t interesting. why pause to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom?
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today the massachusetts senator found herself once again in a twitter war with donald trump. this time she wasn't the only one donald trump went after today. of course he's going after bernie sanders and hillary clinton and michael moore is here tonight to talk about bernie sanders, hillary clinton, donald trump. can't wait to get at this, michael. >> next up for the cage match. when you find something you love, you can never get enough of it. change the way you experience tv with xfinity x1.
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wages, too high. we're not going to be able to compete against the world. >> taxes, too high. wages, too high. unlike donald trump, oscar award winning michael moore has actually gone out into the world to see what they're doing out there that we're not doing here. >> every year we usually have, like, 30, 35 days of holiday. >> paid holiday? >> paid. >> that's five days a week? that's seven weeks. >> plus we have the national holidays. >> how many are there of those? >> 12. >> that's another week or two. >> each city has a saint. it's a city holiday. >> you're paid for that day? >> yes. >> and when you get married, you have 15 days more. >> yeah. 15 -- wait a minute. when you get married you have 15 days paid holiday? >> to go on honeymoon.
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>> they pay for your honeymoon? >> yes. >> my favorites moments in here are your reaction moments like that where i watch. you hear it. the honeymoon thing and you go wait a minute. your brain catches up. >> i'm hearing this for the first time. seriously. that look you see is exactly, i'm like what? your honeymoon is paid for. when we made this film, we decided to do this by the seat of our pants. we didn't do a lot of preproduction. we just went to see what we find, the differences between how they do things and how we do things, and thus became this movie that i'm proud of. >> and then you go and talk to italian employees. a motorcycle manufactures, fashion, and those employers are gracious about this and what their workers get, and they believe this is good for their businesses. but there's also this fascinating moment where you
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point out to one of the italian companies that run by a family, look, if you just squeeze them a little bit more, you could be much richer. and what did they say to you? >> they said why would we want to be richer? we're already rich. one of them said i already have three vacation homes. why do i want four? i can only be at one at a time. seriously, that is -- that was basically their attitude. and but the important point to make to me was that by giving their employees good paid vacations, day care, free health care, all these things, that they believe that the company would profit from that. the company would do better because the employees would be happier. morale would be up. productivity would be better as opposed to having workers who are sick and can't afford to see a doctor or someone is working on the line six weeks after having a baby. they don't believe in that. they think it's better for them. >> donald trump's view of the
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american economy couldn't possibly sustain any of that stuff. >> except all these other economies and these democracies, these are essentially capitalist countries but they call themselves social democrats. it basically says you want to start a business and make money, you can, but we're all in this together, and we have to take care of each other, and you don't just get to make your money because you have to live with the rest of us. and so we're all going to decide this is how it's going to be run. and it -- they have problems in each of these countries, but they would never trade what they have for what we have. the fact that in germany you can go to the university for four years for free. in fact, the germans, they allow foreign students to come there for free. if you're an american and want four years of a university education, go to germany. there's enough classes taught in english, you could form a four-year course for yourself. the reason they do that, because
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we're not paying taxes for that. we're using the german tax money to get a free american education in germany. they want that because they want their students to be exposed to people from other countries, like it's a good idea to know the world in the classroom. because the world sitting right next to you. it's just a different way of thinking and it resolves around the concept of we as opposed to me. >> and these are things that when proposed, some of these things like free college education proposed by barnsande declared by many that it's impractical, how do you do that? these things are taken for granted in these countries. one of the things i felt watching the film is how narrow the range of debate is in american presidential campaigns about what our possibilities are. >> right. it's sad. it's like we don't really want to aspire to much more. we want -- and there's -- there's a number of things i
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like about hillary. and -- but the incrementlism of the way that she's proposed these things, we have to do this slow, and in increments, and it's like, no. this has already been figured out by dozens of other countries. they know how to do it. they spend 2% to 6% on their military. we spend 50%. so that's -- we would have to actually say we're going to spend the money on our people. >> and there's this -- at the end of your film, there's this giant reveal that i felt -- i never saw coming. that is that every one of these great ideas that you found out there around the world, every one of them, originated here. >> that's right. yeah. i didn't really think about that before i made the movie. i mean, while we were filming in each of the countries, somebody would say to us -- because we went to the may day celebration in lisbon. the guy says to me, you know,
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this is an american idea. and i'm thinking, doesn't it come from moscow? no. it's your hay market riot in chicago in 1886 or whatever. there was a riot for the eight hour day. it was an american idea that was inspired by a german philosopher called karl marx from the 1860s, but it was american unions that tried to enact some of these ideas and then we didn't really kind of finish the job so the europeans then said well, we'll finish it for you. so they had this. in germany you work a 36 hour week and get paid for 40 hours. nobody is working a second or third job to pay the monthly bills. when i asked the germans on the factory line, anybody have a second or third job they looked at me like what are you talking about? the other thing, in germany and i forget the other country, there's no translatable word for
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the word benefits. there's a word for having a benefit for a charity or i benefit from sitting here talking to you. but the idea of benefits, where an american says i can't leave the job because i can't lose my benefits. there are not benefits there. they're rights. if you lose your job or if you decide you want a new job, you don't lose your health care. you don't lose your pension. there's a doll that's a safety net that will take care of you. the bank can't fore close on your home if you're unemployed. all these things are in place to protect you if you hit hard times in these other countries. for us, it's -- we're forced to live in fear and by having us in this state of fear, it's easy to manipulate us with a bunch of malarki. the fear can sometimes turn to hate, and we have one candidate
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who is playing on that because he does know that about the american psyche that there's just enough people who have been hurt and who have been kept dumb and stupid from what the truth is and, therefore, he can manipulate them with fear and blaming the other, and he's come a long way with this. you know, i remember four years ago you would say -- you were great on this. he was going to run on the birther thing. you would say there's no way he's giving up millions of dollars on this show. and you were right. he didn't run. i think what must have happen third down year is he decided that nbc wasn't giving him a good enough deal. i'm going to announce i'm going to run. get more popular and go and move this thing over to cbs. he had no thought that he'd win to tom nation or the presidency, and if you don't believe it, rerun last week's when hi
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finally went over and the other two dropped out. that victory rally here in new york was so somber. he was so quiet. that look on his face of oh, you mean i'm only going to make $200,000 a year and i have to live in that house in the ghetto of washington d.c.? it's finally hit him and he's like oh, jeez. i just wanted a better deal from cbs. i was playing nbc against cbs. >> a few of us are hoping it doesn't come to that. >> i'm with you. >> the film, "where to invite next". this is mandatory viewing for presidential candidates. it's moving and thrilling to watch. it's just a joy. as of tonight, it's my favorite michael moore film. >> wow, thank you for saying that. >> it's available now on blue ray and dvd. michael, thank you for being here. >> very kind of you. >> in the war room donald trump says he doesn't care about all
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microtarget potential voters and donors. donald trump was unimpressed by the data-driven obama campaign. he told the associated press, i've always felt it was overrated. obama got the votes much more than his data processing machine, and i think the same is true with me. the clinton war room is using a sophisticated data operation. they have an analytics campaign. the leader of the obama war room said this about the clinton campaign. >> their campaign will know exactly in virginia, ohio, florida, in iowa, in nevada, in colorado, who is a danger to not turn out. who is a firm clinton supporter. who is an actual available swing voter, and you're running a
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campaign to those people. >> this is where the kick the stuff up to a level unseen? >> yes. a level of sophistication and knowledge about the electorate and the battle ground states that just gets advanced every four years. >> with 181 days left for the campaign war room, joining us tonight in the last word war room is a veteran of barack obama's campaign war room, and steve, normally we have a couple of people in the war room, but when we get the world's leading expert on data-driven campaigns, we just want to talk to you. so donald trump thinks that what you guys were doing was just working some what he calls a data processing machine. and he's not too impressed with that. what does he need to learn about this? >> well, you know, donald trump has never been around a presidential campaign until 2 6 2016, so he really doesn't know what he's talking about. and i'm good with that, lawrence, because we don't really want him to know all the
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good strategies. that being said, war rooms, data, field operations, topnotch scheduling, all of these issues come down to the states that are going to be really tight, so if florida is a really close race, if ohio is a really close race, two states that are republican has to win in order to get the presidency, you know, if those races are tight, that's when the war room, that's when data and topnotch scheduling really matters, and if he wants to forego that, great, we'll have hillary clinton in the presidency. you got to have the most sophisticated operation you can possibly have. this is a big, important election, and he's an idiot to try and do it any other way.
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>> let's listen to what jim macena had to say about it. he was in the obama campaign. >> we used huge data sets to build models of behavior and then we figured out what people were going to do. we did 10,000 per night samples that allowed us for 14 months to run 62,000 computer simulations of the. that was how we did television and moved the president around. data became the most important thing we did. >> steve, i heard you obama guys in 2008 and 2012 talking this way backstage, as it were, and when i would listen to this, it just made me never once, and you can check the record on this. i never once publicly second-guessed obama campaign strategy in either one of those years, because the amount of data that were using in every
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one of the decisions you were making, it's just -- i mean, it really is like nothing we've seen in any campaign before. isn't it? you guys built this from the ground up. >> absolutely in 2008. and in 2012 it was even better. i think we can probably expect hillary clinton's campaign to be even better in 2016. you know, a very simple thing for people to understand is florida and ohio are two critical states, of course. they're also two very big states with incredibly different geographies and incredibly different voters in different regions in each of the states. so if you don't know how well you're performing in tallahassee versus miami, you don't know where you should put your candidate. you don't know where you should put surrogates. you don't know how much tv time you should buy. all of these issues come down to
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having the smartest analytics possible at your fingertips so you can make very quick, very informed decisions. >> is it possible for a campaign like the trump campaign where nobody involved in it at this point really has that kind of experience with it. no one at the top level. is it possible for them to gear up something credible in this area? >> well, you know, discussions this week with the trump campaign with the rnc and others in d.c., the rnc has built probably pretty sophisticated analytics within their operation. a big question for them is going to be are we using those for the trump campaign? are we using them to help retain control of the u.s. senate? you know, they've got big battles, and they also don't have a lot of enthusiasm within the leadership of the republican
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party for donald trump. so it's going to have to come down to will he gain their expertise to help him when he's going to need it, frankly. >> steve, veteran of the most sophisticated winning presidential war room we've seen. thank you for joining us tonight. i appreciate it. >> thanks, lawrence. >> coming up, donald trump's reversal of fortune. the fortune he never had. the fortune that is too small to pay for a presidential campaign.
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problem with donald trump. >> we have to be at full strength to win. >> paul ryan wants to get some sort of guarantee from donald trump. >> you heard donald trump just within the last 12 hours call ryan a good guy. >> we need to get to know each other. >> today's comment on mccain doesn't help things. >> to you regret saying that? >> i like not to regret anything. >> this is the quandary everybody finds themselves in, at least who holds my perspective. i signed a pledge to support our nominee. that's what i intend to do. >> donald trump is kag calculat. >> i want a government that represents all of us, not just 1 %. those are the issues i talk about. >> even though he one last night, he only gained five delegates. >> i turned on the tv. they kind of tell you that the campaign is over, that secretary clinton has won. >> secretary clinton still focussed on the general election
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today. >> isn't the bottom line about you versus hillary clinton and who would be the stronger candidate? that she is now fighting a were on two fronts? >> please do not moan to me about hillary clinton's problems. >> if bernie doesn't win and it's hillary clinton and trump, what are you going to do? >> it's like shooting yourself or stabbing yourself. one or the other. and when i finally told my doctor, he said humira is for adults like me who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn's disease. and that in clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief. and many achieved remission. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you've been to areas
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>> so here's the story. i'm self-funding my campaign. okay? i'm putting my own money in. >> donors, that's a nice word, donor, but it's not donors. it's special interests, lobbyists, all these people that have total control over the candidates. >> and now they will have total control over donald trump who has finally dropped the pretense that he can afford a real presidential campaign.
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donald trump's claim to be a self-financing candidate was never completely true. he was taking in millions of dollars in contributions while claiming to be self-financing. he did lend and only lend his campaign millions of dollars, but he will now be able to pay himself back every penny that he lent to his campaign by raising money from other people, including the lobbyists and special interests he always claimed owned every political candidate except donald trump. joining us now, an opinion columnist for the washington post and a columnist for the washington globe. katherine, it turns out he doesn't have a billion dollars to spend on the political campaign. >> whatever the size of his fortune, we don't have evidence of what it is. it's probably not highly liquid. it's a lot of realiz estate.
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even if he was interested in using his money. it would be difficult to raise the sum he needs to. >> all the speeches about how evil the politicians are who take money from people like donald trump. he said every time he gave the money he got whatever he wanted from them. he's now on the other end of that transaction? >> are you suggesting donald trump says one thing and does another? >> i'm suggesting something like that, yes. >> his whole life is a flip-flop. it seems to be something like a lie. i'm not surprised. this week alone he flip-flopped on the minimum wage and taxes and social security and medicare. it remind me of the law 1948. he changes his mind and position. >> katherine, this is one of the things that his supporters really liked and they would
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cite. they think he's incorruptible because of it. it was probably one of the top three or four pillars along with the wall and banning muslims, but this thing was the thing they really liked about him as a person. >> it was. i mean, it's a talking point at all of his rallies. he mentions it all the time. >> what are the odds he continues to say it? >> i think 100%. i think the other issue here is that this flip-flop will beget further flip-flops because once you start accepting the establishment money, you also have to start appealing to the establishment donor bases and their political believes and attitudes. that might be one reason why today one of his advisors indicated he was willing to change the entitlement system. i think you'll see more changes ahead along those lines. >> here's the video i want to see. i want to see when donald trump
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stands up at one of his own fundraisers and tells that audience he's self-financing. will he do that? >> can you see that. it wouldn't surprise me. >> it's all just in there, these lines that he doesn't realize, oh, i can't say that anymore. >> by the way, at every trump rally i've been this, this line about he's self-funded and can't be bought, you hear this from every one of his supporters. this is a crucial part of his campaign and his persona and brand. i think it does hurt him. at some point i just think that that line about if he shot someone an fifth avenue people would support him. i think people will still support him with this. the problem is no one else will. >> and then there's the unconstitutional ban on muslims entering the country. today he said it's just a suggestion. let's listen. >> it's a ban. it hasn't been called for yet. this is just a suggestion until
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we find out what's going on. >> and then tonight on fox news he made it sound even softer. i think we have that video. >> have you decided whether you're backing off on the ban? i realize it was a temporary ban but with an unspecific time. >> i'd like to back off as soon as possible. we have exceptions and, again, it's temporary. >> okay. here's the line i don't know i've ever heard a politician say before. when asked about one of his proposals, would you back off? sure, i'd back off. when was the last time you heard anybody say that? >> i think this is part of his appeal. because then you can read into his policy positions, whatever you want to read into them. because he'll stand up for one thing on the one stand or another thing on the other hand. another thing he says all the time when he's accused of being inconsistent is that he likes to negotiate. that everything is a negotiating position, that he doesn't actually firmly hold any of
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these believes or won't stay loyal to any of the things he processes. for any politician this is a liability, but he has magically turned this into a strength. >> he is, i will have you know, the toughest, negotiator in the world. >> tremendous. >> and the toughest negotiator in the world in what wasn't even a negotiation with gretta vansustren said i will back off. >> yes. this you will also see at his pivot to the center. this is his pivot he's trying to do here. i feel like this is what he's doing. i'm going to moderate my image somewhat by saying it's a session on the muslim ban. maybe next he'll say i'm suggesting to build a wall, not that we have to. i think this is what he's trying to do. i don't think it will work. >> thank you both for joining us tonight. michael's book is called american maelstrom. there it is. i can read it on the tv screen, or you can say it.
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>> american maelstrom. >> you can get it on amazon. coming up, tonight's good news. a story about a young man injured in a shooting that turns out to have a happy ending. that's tonight's last word. allergies. and i'm doing just fine. claritin provides 24-hour relief of symptoms that can be triggered by over 200 allergens. yeah, over 200 allergens! with claritin my allergies don't come between me and victory. live claritin clear.
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>> if you had enough campaign and trump news, stick around for the good news. that's next.
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and now for the good news. kevin morton walked across the stage to get his diploma at michigan state university last week. nine years ago it seemed like he might never walk again. he was closing up at a restaurant in detroit when a robber came out of the shadows and shot him. kevin had massive internal bleeding and a 10 % chance of surviving making it through that night. his family prepared themselves for the worse, but a trauma surgeon saved kevin's life. >> whether we call it intuition, experience or a miracle, we put some extra suturers in and the bleeding stopped. >> that made kevin want to be a doctor himself. starting next month, kevin will start his residency at that very
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same hospital that saved his life and nursed him back to health after 50 days as a patient there. >> we knew he wasn't going to give up. we weren't going to give up, so we had to make it happen. >> compassion that the doctor has shown in trying to save my life, i want to pay that forward. >> dr. kevin morton, is tonight's tonight on all in. >> i will be so presidential. >> on the eve of the ryan summit donald trump claims a mandate from the people. tonight the reality show rolls on. the last gop nominee says trump may be disqualified and the current white nationalist and former trump delegate is speaking out. >> it's up to me for the white group to push our agenda more than any other agenda. >> then, mte


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