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to pick someone who you have absolute confidence in can be president. that's more important than any characteristic. then someone you can work with, someone that you believe will be a good partner not just to you, but to the rest of the government. someone who can go around the country, as joe biden has done very well, in explaining and advocating for the policies of the obama administration. >> and there's as the tension between bernie sanders and the democratic party escalates he's now portraying hillary clinton and drip as two of a kind. >> we need a campaign, an election coming up which does not have two candidates who are really very, very strongly disliked. i don't want to see the american people voting for the lesser of two evils. i want the american people to be voting for a vision of economic justice, of social justice, of environmental justice, of racial justice. that is the campaign we are running and that's why we're getting the support we are. >> his comments come as a new
poll shows clinton and trump with record negative numbers, 54% of registered numbers view clinton negatively as compared to 58% for trump. voters actually have a better impression of bernie sanders whose positive rating is 43% compared to 36% negative. i'm joined now by carrie dan. what stood out for me, margin of error. >> this is really a neck and neck race in our latest nbc news "wall street journal" poll between hillary clinton and donald trump. that is a change from our last poll. last month hillary clinton had a double digit advantage over donald trump. that is no longer the case. trump earlier this month consolidating, becoming the presepr presumptive nominee.
republicans are uniting behind donald trump and giving him a big boost there, which makes this a neck and neck race. with the matchup between bernie sanders and trump, as you mentioned bernie sanders has been making this argument throughout the campaign saying that he polls better against donald trump than hillary clinton does. and this poll is no exception. he is up 15 points on donald trump. but of course hillary clinton we are expecting in that last round of primaries in california is going to become the presumptive democrat nominee and she's going to be facing a very tough race against donald trump. >> you have the neck and neck aspect. then you add to this part as well, both of them have historically high negatives. how might that impact this race going forward considering the unpopularity of the two? >> it is impossible to over state how important this number is that both of these candidates are reaching historic lows when it comes to popularity. donald trump a little bit more unpopular but both of them really down there at the bottom
of the dump. what they're going to be trying to improve, their favorability numbers. in november, a lot more voters are going to be heading to the polls to vote against the candidate they don't like rather than cast a vote to support the one they do like. >> it also opens up other options out there. 47% of registered voters as far as this poll would consider a third party candidate. >> this is higher than in past years too. it's about 10% higher than back in 2008. it's about 7 or 8% higher than in 2012. the issue for a third party candidate is if you actually attach a name and a set of policy proposals to that third party candidate, obviously they're not going to be hitting that 47% support when a name is placed in contention. but it is a sign of how unpopular these two candidates are certainly that people are looking for an alternative.
i want to bring in kristin welker. she is with me today. when you hear about the double whammy that the clinton campaign is getting with her lead kind of shrinking against donald trump, in the history of the poll it's never been this bad when it comes to the unpopularity of the two major candidates. >> part of the surprise is that political watchers in general weren't expecting the polls to get this tight this quickly. this is really early on. donald trump did clench his party's nomination. so republicans are starting to unify around him. he's aggressively been courting them. we saw that when he spoke to the nra. secretary clinton still in the middle of a primary battle with senator sanders, who's been going after her quite aggressively. a third of his supporters saying
they're not going to support secretary clinton. >> he's going after her, also going after the dnc. even today being very vocal about how unhappy he is. >> it's a great point. he is making the case that the system is rigged. this is the argument we've heard from donald trump. we learned yesterday that he's not going to endorse debbie wasserman schultz's challenger. that was a bit of a blow and it underscores this idea for his supporters that the system is unfair. that's going to make it challenging for him to help unify the democratic party around secretary clinton. today he also said, hey, look at my poll numbers. i beat donald trump by 15 points and he talke about his prescription for beating trump. >> democratic party has got to open up its doors in a way it hasn't to working people, to young people, to low income people who are sick and tired of establishment politics and
establishment economics. >> so i think this is going to be a fierce primary battle until the end. i am told by clinton's top officials that she's going to be campaigning aggressively in states like new jersey and california. the reason why that's important, she needs to finish on solid ground so that she can make the case, hey, i won this thing fair and square. and then that ultimately will help senator sanders make the case to his supporters, let's now rally behind secretary clinton. i also think you can expect her campaign to make him a part of the process of determining what's going to be in the platform. that's going to be really important for him. he reiterated that's a key demand that he has just today. >> when it comes to hillary clinton pushing donald trump earlier today saying we're going to reveal and show the hollowness,as she put it, of his campaign. especially with this battle as we bring katy tur in, when it comes to gun rights after the a
nra endorsement of donald trump. the criticism has been his flip-flopping, his back and forth and whether these conservatives can really trust him on gun issues. as early as today saying when it comes to gun free zones, maybe in schools teaches should have the guns. >> he is kind of vague on issues, a lot of issues. guns are just one of them. in 2000 he wrote in his book he believes there should be a ban on assault rifles and a longer waiting period for people to by guns. he tweeted support for the president after new town saying the president is saying what he believes and what many americans are thinking. that was only a few years ago. since he's come out on the campaign trail for the republicans, he has been very pro gun rights, very pro second amendment. the nra endorsed him on friday. while he was there, he talked
about how there should be no gun free zones. eliminate gun free zones. he was telling this to a roocm f gun owners who were there for the nra convention who were told to leave their guns in their cars by secret service. that was an interesting dichotomy. he spoke about wanting gun free zones in schools and also not wanting them. take a listen. >> she talked about guns in class rooms. i don't want to have guns in class rooms although in some cases teachers should have guns in class rooms frankly because things going on in our schools are unbelievable. you look at some of our schools, unbelievable what's going on. >> i don't want to have guns in class rooms but teachers should have guns in class rooms. that was a contradiction in the same sentence, which is why some people find it so hard to support trump or even to argue against him because he goes back
and forth on issues at breakneck speed. gun owners have an extraordinarily long memory. that's why many of them, they'll say i don't necessarily trust him, i don't believe him quite yet. but ultimately they believe he is their better option against hillary clinton. at the nra what i found so fascinating is they were speaking more about hillary clinton and her potential supreme court picks than they were about donald trump's fierce support for the second amendment. it's very clear from their standpoint that donald trump is not the perfect candidate, but he's the best candidate to go against hillary clinton. >> very quickly -- >> or only choice. >> i can almost bet that you'll be in front of trump tower tomorrow waiting as trump is expected to meet with bob corker tomorrow. potential vice president buzz.
>> he would make a lot of sense. he's head of the foreign relations committee. he would give donald trump that much-needed foreign relations boost on the ticket that he doesn't have right now. they seem like compatible characters in some ways. bob corker is a millionaire as well. so they have i guess that in common. he has said as well that he wants somebody who is a legislator, somebody who is going to be able to know how to get things passed in congress and somebody who's well liked. and bob corker fits all of those boxes, ticks them all off. of course this is just a preliminary meeting and every conversation i've had with the campaign about this, they've said over and over again there is a list but we have a lot of way to go and we do not know if bob corker has potentially even agreed to submit for vetting. nobody will confirm it right now so it is very up in the air.
now to the latest on the investigation into the crash of egyptair flight 804. the sun has set along the mid tra mediterranean. today al-sisi told reporters that all scenarios are still being considered. reportedly a communication between egyptair pilots and controllers in switzerland just hours before 804 lost contact.
>> what more can you tell us about the investigation, especially with egypt deploying some submarines in helping that search? >> reporter: yeah, that submarine could be critical to this. that submarine could go down close to two miles. it's very deep in that part of the mediterranean where they believe the plane went down. they have some things on board that could help them get pings from those critical black boxes. those are tremendously important to this investigation. the second part of this is that if there are large pieces of the plane, say of that fuselage, then the submarine could help to potentially defect that. you mentioned those french naval vessels. this is one ship in popular that has search equipment and divers
on board. officials say there are police officers on board who if they find any more debris would be there to guard it and make sure that the chain of custody is kept. in the meantime, there is a lot of anxiety with families already in egypt. some memorial services have been held or are planned for some of the crew members for egyptair. t it could be weeks before they're able to do the dna testing. here in paris the investigation continues on the ground as well. the plane left from here. they've been looking at all that surveillance footage around the airport that could tell them anything from whether or not somebody got through security without going through proper channels. also they're looking at who had access to that plane in more depth. they started that immediately.
there are thousands of people with that level of security clearance. but they're looking at all the logs, kate logs, catering and maintenance logs. as we heard from president al-sisi and the fern minuoreign minister, that has not been determined. in a video, a 31-minute video that came out from isis just yesterday, no mention of the downed plane, no mention of egypt or international air travel. >> still so many questions. back to the battle for the white house in a moment. why trump may be in big trouble trying to find enough money to fund his general election run. think fixing your windshield is a big hassle? not with safelite. this family needed their windshield replaced, but they're daughters heart was set on going to the zoo. so we said if you need safelite to come to the zoo
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hillary clinton is once again calling on donald trump to release his taxes, saying voters need to know who the real trump is. >> there's nothing about his background that is praise worthy? >> we'll find out. we have to get below the hype and find wa that the reality is >> you don't know that? >> i don't think we know enough. that's why he should release his tax returns, prove that he has the level of success he claims to have. >> joining me now is eric pike communications strategist and also josh. josh, want to start with you and trump's tax returns from the late '70s showing that he diplomat pdidn't
pay a penny when it comes to federal income taxes. how much leverage does this give hillary clinton? you saw her talk about it there, but could it damage trump just like it did romney? josh, i knew something was wrong when i heard that tone. stand by if you can hear me. having trouble with your audio. >> do you hear me? >> we hear you. >> i have trouble imagining the voter who says i was going to vote for trump but because i haven't seen his tax returns i'm not going to vote for him. there's no law that says you have to release your tax returns. this is a norm that's been established over the past 40 years where presidential candidates do this. so i don't know what's lurking in those returns. my suspicion given what we know about how he's moved money around during this campaign and what's in his personal financial disclosure forms is that donald
trump might not be worth $10 billion. maybe the tax returns show a very low tax rate. real estate investors are often able to use depreciation and other strategies. my guess is that he can get away without releasing the returns. i don't think he's going to lose a lot of votes over withholding them. >> speaking to that, it was suggested yesterday that when we do get into the swing of the general, trump would be buried by hillary clinton and her attacks here. that it's not going to work in the general election. >> he is going to hit back harder against her as well. i don't know that this is a good issue for her in trying to call on him to release his tax returns, because it can come right back to her even harder. she has released her own tax returns, but she hasn't been the
most transparent politician over the years. trump saying, she should release the transcripts of these paid speeches. it's one she should leave the press and others to attack trump for. but i would stay away from it if i were her. >> beyond that when it comes to other attacks, how much will we see those attacks delve into his personal life and past with women especially on both sides. >> we've already seen personal issues come flying back and forth from both sides. these two haven't really gone at each other directly just yesterday. th they're starting to shadow box just a little bit. once the primary is over and these two go at it every single day, it will be immensely personal. >> it's also crucial as far as having the money to fund that and keep it competitive. the "new york times" reported saturday, major republican
donors are still hesitant. they really don't want to dish out their big bucks here. how much concern is there among republicans that he won't be able to raise funds to actually be kpeti be competitive? >> it's clear that he's not going to self-finance the general election campaign. he's going to have an aggressive fund-raising operation. what that "new york times" story showed is that a number of big players are going to sit out, but a number of other big players are going to be involved. since trump is so good at getting his message out, he probably doesn't need as much money to run this campaign as a typical republican kancandidate would. i don't know how big a disadvantage that's actually going to be for him. >> this nbc "wall street journal" poll that we've been talking about, sanders is
beating donald trump here. how much does that make it more likely that we will see a convention fight? >> i don't think we're going to see a convention fight at all. we know this democratic primary is going to be over come june 7th. bernie sanders is going to try to force his agenda on the democrat party as he deserved to do and as he should. the other thing we saw during the primary is that a lot of small donors in the republican party did want to give to donald trump and he didn't necessarily want to accept all of this money but going forward into the general election he will so he may not need those big donors. those donors will still donate to senate candidates, other conservative causes. it's not like the money is not going to be there for the republican party writ large. >> onto hillary clinton now,
josh. i want you to listen to what she said this morning on "meet the press." she said a lot of good stuff about whether she thinks bernie sanders has been vetted. >> i don't think he's ever had a single negative ad run against him. we understand what it's going to take to win in the fall. poll this is far out mean nothing. they certainly mean nothing to me. and i think if people go back and look, they really mean nothing in terms of analyzing what's going to happen in the fall. >> you think this lead for sanders is an illusion a little bit? >> i'll let others speak to that. i just think i'm in a much stronger position. >> tight rope walking here. how careful does she have to be in that rhetoric so she doesn't turn sanders sporters o support.
>> it is true that he has never been attacked in a sustained manner from the right. were he to become the nominee, there would be an avalanche of ads on how he wanted to raise taxes. there would be ads all about his history of associations with the far left. so and that would bring his poll numbers down. hillary can't make that case in a democratic primary because it's really hard to attack your opponent from the right in a democratic primary. i get her frustration. it is true that sanders would be a much weaker general election candidate than the polls indicate now because the message against him would be totally different as soon as he became the democratic nominee. supporting donald trump, that is model turned actor antonio sabato jr. why he's a backer of the billionaire and the help he's
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you know, we're hearing some divisive and dangerous rhetoric in this election. we have a campaign who wants to tear families apart and forcibly deport 11 million undocumented emigrants, who calls mexicans rapists, who talks about banning muslims from entering the country. that is not who we are as a people. >> that was hillary clinton speaking to the national hispanic christian leadership conference. and lobbing some not so thinly veiled criticism at donald trump. i want to bring in antonio sabato jr. how early did you know that donald trump was your guy and what drew you to him? >> well, i knew from day one --
and i've been supporting him for a very long time. i have this coin watch company out of switzerland. trump, i have your next watch. i will bring it to you. it's a gold coin watch that you as the next president of the united states should wear. >> why should he wear it as the next president of the united states? >> one, he doesn't like watches at the moment. i never see him wearing a watch. but this guy is going to the leader of this country. he's got to make this country great again. he's been saying the right things. he's been saying a lot of things that people want to say but they can't say. and he makes a lot of sense. so i support him. >> you say he's been saying the right things. but he's also offended a whole
lot of people. when you hear that -- and you said you started supporting him from day one. >> i want to know who has he offended. >> we only have 30 minutes lest on this sho -- left on this show. >> who has he offended? >> i cannot even begin to tell you. immigration. >> let's talk about immigration. >> it could go on and on and on. >> he's got a point in everything. we're talking about illegal aliens coming in that are illegal. i came here legally from the united states from italy. i'm legal right now. i'm an american citizens. everyone's walking over the borders and coming here illegally. it's an illegal issue. >> you're for the wall? >> we need a wall. do you have a wall at your house? i do. i personally wouldn't want to
open it for everyone to come in. there's nothing there at all. everyone's just walking in. he's talking about illegal aliens. he's not talking about all of the latinos. he's talking about people who are coming here and committing a lot of crimes. >> you were in a position. you immigrated too. you may have family outside. some of these families fleeing violence. out of fear, they want to come here. you're also talking about families who may have to be broken up who have to be sent back. for somebody who's been here and can understand the better life this country offers, is there any part of you that has sympathy for that and their families? >> of course there is sympathy. but if you've done something illegally, you have to go back. we have laws in this country and we have the best laws this
country could possibly have, in the world actually. there's a lot of people in line waiting so many years trying to come here legally, what do you do about them? >> you're in nevada right now. a heaviy lily hispanic state. donald trump has major business interests there. when you talk to people, is there any sense that some of your fans find out you're a trump supporter and kind of turn on you because of that at all? what are you hearing from them? >> i actually have a lot of support. i have a lot of spoeupport for people that want donald trump to be the next president. at the end of the day, i'm godog this because i believe he will be the next president of the united states and he will be a really good one. i can't wait to see him in this january at the white house. >> the scenario that his
nomination is contested and there's another candidate, would you accept another candidate? >> who's there? >> whoever that may be. >> i don't think it's going to be contested. i think donald trump will be the next runner up and he will go against hillary clinton and the best is yet to come. he's the only guy. >> if your only guy loses in the general election -- >> he won't lose. he's our next president. he will be there in january. >> tell me the number one reason why you are convinced? >> i just know it, man. we've been through a lot of crazy stuff in the last seven years and we need the opposite. donald trump is the opposite of that. the people want donald trump to be the next president of the united states. you go to the rallies of hillary and bernie and you see two people -- no, no, no. bernie sanders, there are thousands and thousands, people
wrapping around blocks. >> i've seen 30,000 people. hillary clinton cannot even get half of 30,000 people. that's a lot. >> well, we'll leave it at that. >> we'll leave it at that. >> thank you. >> my pleasure. thank you. a live report from vietnam as president obama visits hanoi and hiroshima, japan. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ muddling through your morning is nothing new.
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the atomic bomb during world war ii. the president has wanted to go there since 2009 when he first took office. it's an an agonizing debate because of the sensitivities. the president is not going to apologize. that's what the administration continues to emphasize. the american veteran community does not want to see that. he will reflect on the horrors of war and the need to rein in nuclear weapons, stop nuclear proliferation and never have nuclear weapons dropped again. here in vietnam, it's a little different. president obama is the third president to come here. it is what historic. he follows president clinton and president bush. but this visit is more about looking to the future and not so much at the past and the vietnam war era. president obama is of a different generation than his
predecessors and the vietnam war doesn't figure as much in his life or in his policies for that matter. this is about trade and security and the fact that vietnam is one of the 12 nations in the so-called trans pacific partnership, that massive trade deal that president obama is trying to get congress to approve, that he has negotiated with these 12 nations but he still needs congress to approve. very controversial because hillary clinton and bernie sanders, donald trump do not support this deal. but it's a signature issue. it's a legacy issue for president obama that he thinks will solidify what has been his shift to asia, his rebalancing of american foreign policy to asia as opposed to the middle east and european, where he thinks the future lies, where there are young populations, emerging nations like vietnam which has a booming economy. there are concerns in this part of the world because of the things that china is doing.
he's here first and then to japan and hiroshima. >> ron, thank you. as donald trump looking to unite the gop heading in november with a showdown versus hillary clinton on the horizon, the presumptive presidential nominee is facing immense backlash from his own party. i want to ask you -- you have a large swath of major republican donors who don't want to back donald trump, they don't want to give him any of their big bucks. but he has transcended traditional american politics. >> he needs somebody's money. he doesn't have enough himself. we reported that trump has been exaggerating his wealth for a long time. if he wanted to self-fund, he'd have to sell all these buildings that he's so proud of owning.
donald trump and bernie sanders both have been very successful running campaigns that are effectively the opposite of what the donor class and the republican party and the democratic party want to see. trump and bernie in different ways are in the opposite camp. >> when you talk about the money saying he needs it just simply to compete. he's being out spent by hillary clinton. how much of this will be significant as far as moving on? and what does it say about how the trump campaign is operating now? >> you know, what's interesting is trump himself has said on the digital side where obama for those 2008 and 2012 elections was so successful, he doesn't believe in it. he thinks it's over rated.
with his media presence, with his savvy on twitter, he can match up with what hillary has built up in infrastructure. >> when it comes to that matchup also, there's a question of his positions, foreign policy. that's where it's so important to see who his running mate will be. we know he's going to be meeting with bob corker tomorrow. when you have that, there's some indication there he's willing to do what's necessary to ease the concerns of republican leaders and donors, especially now with more kind of coming on board to donald trump. >> the deserve and republican aligned foreign policy community has been the most vocal in being critical of donald trump and saying they'll never ever vote for donald trump and they might even vote for hillary rather than voting for trump. on domestic policy he's had more success. >> thank you.
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it wasn't received the way he hoped. >> national hispanic christian, three great words. we're going to take care of you. we're going to work with you. you're going to be very happy. you're going to like president trump. >> let's pray. >> all right. joining me now with more is our msnbc contributor and professor at the university of texas. i appreciate your time here. so you heard donald trump in that recorded message. but also he paused to hear the chuckles from some of the people in the audience at that conference. your take on the address and how it was received. >> i'm not surprised by. this we knew getting into the general election, the trump was going to have to pivot. he was going to have to eventually reach out to latinos. we've seen that a person in order to get elected to the white house needs at the very least a third of the latino vote.
right now trump in the latest latino decision poll had him at 10%, 11% of the latino vote. so he's got a lot of ground to make up if he wants a realistic shot at the white house. so i think we're going to see a lot more of these. but more interestingly, what i took out of this, francis, was his style. if you watch the whole video, you'll see that he's awkward. he doesn't flow. he doesn't feel comfortable talking to latinos. when he's on the stump and has a big crowd, he is very comfortable. he's off the cuff. we're going to see how trump can reach to latinos and if it actually works. >> well, it's also interesting, too. there are several hispanic organization that's sent invitations hoping he'll take them up on it s that something he needs to take advantage of as far as to pivot and make sure that everything that he said in the past somehow now he can really make some gains with the hispanic voting block? >> yes. he needs to take advantage of
those venues. donald trump says hispanics love me. and whatever form. so he needs to go out there and prove it. the issue is how much is that going to do. what we saw in 2012 with mitt romney who had a different tone with immigration, also negative, claiming the need for self deportation. and the reception was not positive. but at the very least, he got credit for trying. so i think we're going to see a similar path with donald trump this summer at the major latino conferences. >> all right. we fleed to talk about the numbers with the new nbc news "wall street journal" poll finding hillary clinton ahead among latinos. and then you have a new fox news poll, clinton ahead w6 3% to donald trump's 23%. as far as unfavorables, clinton with 41 among latinos and trump 74%. so this is a question of can he win the presidency?
real i didn't think crucial hispanic vote, especially with the conventional wisdom, you can't win the presidency without it. >> yeah. like i said, you need at least a third of the latino vote. right now we see that hillary clinton dominates. and hillary clinton has a very long history with latinos. her husband has a very long history with latinos. aside from all of the negative comments he has said for latinos. the one issue that's going to be in his favor is that you have a chunk of latinos who are independents. the majority of latinos lean toward the democratic party. but you also have about a third of latino's who say i'm either democrat nor republican. so i think that his campaign going forward is going to be targeting these latinos such as the ones we saw at national hispanic conference of christian conservative. these are the folks he needs to attract. you know, the hard core democrats are gone. he needs those in the middle. victoria, as always, thank you. i appreciate you wk me. >> thank you.
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