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costello with what we can expect in this very heated hearing. tom, good morning. >> good morning. i would not expect a whole heck of a lot new here. admiral peter neffenger, the tsa chief, has been very forthcoming the last couple of weeks describing what the problems are in the tsa. boy the way, an agency he inherited and has been trying to turn around and gets pretty high marks from both sides of the aisle of trying to do just that. but he's talked about where they have got problems and how they're going to try to fix things. as you know, he just instituted a pretty good shake-up at the tsa. an assistant administrator, kelly hoggan, who was in charge of airport security operations is out. he would be replaced by a veteran who was a veteran of both l.a.x. and jfk airports and then in addition to that at o'hare airport, and we had a live shot a moment ago from o'hare airport, they have replaced the entire tsa leadership team after the debacle there in which last week we had people waiting two and three hours, many people missing their flights, some camping out,
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sleeping on the airport floor because of the lines. so the tsa has made some changes there. but the bottom line to the situation is that they are simply short-staffed by somewhere in the neighborhood of 4500 to 6,000 officers nationwide. and the reason for that he will surely talk about is in the previous administration they overestimated how many people would be joining tsa precheck, that estimated screening process. as a result, they don't have nearly enough people going through a precheck. they have far too many people going through regular check-in lines just as the volume of airport passengers surges across the country. now at record level, expected to grow even more over the coming summer months. so, jose, as we now head into memorial day weekend, which as you know is the unofficial kickoff to summer and as more and more kids get out of school and more families fed out on vacation, it is likely to be a tougher situation at many airports across the country.
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the tsa chief himself as made that very clear, has warned about that and the advice is get there early. we've been saying that for years, but they're now saying really, really we mean it, get to the hour two hours early for domestic, three hours early for international. i've talked to some folks that are getting there earlier than that and all of the airlines are making that same piece of advice very public. jose. >> tom, to think you have to be in the airport longer than a lot of times the flight takes is amazing. and how can you underestimate something like, well, we thought more people would be checking in with tsa pre. isn't there a way to monitor that, to figure out the numbers are different than what we thought? >> they had thought more people would take advantage of it. listen, i have it, you probably have it and it does speed you through tsa precheck. the problem is it costs $85. you have to take a little time out of your day to go do it. you have to sit down for a discussion with a tsa officer, et cetera. and so that process simply has been enough of a road barrier,
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if you will, for people that they have decided they don't want to spend the $85 and don't want to sit for that interview. that said, since this whole thing has played out across the country so far this year, many, many more people are signing up for tsa precheck but they still are understaffed across the country. down 5,000 agents or so nationwide as the volume surges and so they are now really trying to triage the situation and moving these rush teams into airports whenever they have got a bad situation developing. boy the way, you may say where did they get the people to rush into the airports? if they don't have enough people how can they push or surge employees into an airport? i asked them that. the answer is you may have been watching the last few months whenever the presidential candidates have been at some sort of an event, there are very often tsa officers doing the skroening at the magnetometers. yes, they take them away from airports to screen people at political events.
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now they're going to try to push more of those individuals towards the airports instead of hopefully, you know, hopefully that will improve things at the airports themselves. >> tom costello, thank you very much. we'll stay watching this hearing and bring it to you. be sure to see tsa administrator peter neffenger in an exclusive interview tomorrow morning on "today." now to a wild scene outside a trump rally in albuquerque, new mexico. protesters were throwing bottles and even a metal gate. at one point they tried to force their way into the convention center. police ultimately resulted to using pepper spray and smoke grenades to keep them at bay. the city attorney labeled it a riot. inside thousands cheered trump, despite repeated interruptions. trump mocked the protesters and ordered security to have them removed. meanwhile hillary clinton is trying to keep the pressure on
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trump by focusing on comments he said a decade ago where he said he home for a housing bubble to burst so he could make more money. >> they have some clip of me from many years ago where yeah, if it goes down -- i'm a businessman, that's what i'm supposed to do. >> why on earth would we vote somebody president who rooted for the collapse of the mortgage market. >> and she goes and donald trump is a terrible person. and he wanted to buy housing when it was at a low point. who the hell doesn't? who doesn't? >> a small insecure money grubber who doesn't care who gets hurt so long as he makes a profit off it. >> donald trump thought he could make money off of people's misery. >> i made so much money in atlantic city, but i'm a business guy. i didn't know i was going to run for politics. probably i would have made less but i did it. but everybody did it. >> nbc's hallie jackson is in
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albuquerque where the trump rally was held last night. good seeing you this morning. this seemed to be a concern for security at the next trump rallies, right? >> reporter: yeah, in anaheim. we're hearing from the police chief issuing a warning to potential demonstrators saying that, quote, we will not tolerate violence or disobedience of the law during the upcoming rally in anaheim. the town of anaheim of course just a few miles away, 17 miles to be away, from costa mesa where last month a conservative county in southern california, 17 people were arrested after clashes with police. now, at today's rally out in so cal, it is during the day so there's going to be obviously a different vibe than what we saw last night in albuquerque where one person at least was arrested according to police. several officers are being treated now and have been treated for injuries after being hit by rocks apparently thrown by some of these demonstrators. within the last hour we've heard
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from donald trump himself. up until now it was just a tweet from his top aide, essentially dismissing these demonstrators. but trump now saying the protesters in new mexico were thugs who were flying the mexican flag. the rally inside was big and beautiful, but outside, criminals! so trump talking about some of these demonstrators that had come out to begin what was set to be a peaceful protest. originally it was a peaceful protest. many here in new mexico, as you know, home to a big latino community, very concerned about trump's immigration policies, trump's immigration rhetoric. as the evening went on, you saw a little tone shift. some agitators in the crowd, some coming out to spectate and watch all of this unfold. we spoke with several protesters who were very serious about their message. they wanted to be very clear about what they wanted donald trump to know, which was that his rhetoric, at least to them, was not appropriate and does not have a place in american politics. i asked is this an effective way to get your message out, this kind of a scene. i had one man say to me, hey,
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you're here, the national news is here, you're covering us, which means we are getting our message out. clearly the protesters aware of what sort of trump's spotlight can bring them. trump himself in the spotlight and putting somebody else there too. governor martinez of new mexico. she is the head of the republican governors association. she's been sharply critical of some of trump's policies in the past. trump has noticed because he went after her. listen to what he had to say. >> we have to get your governor to get going. she's got to do a better job, okay. hey, maybe i'll run for governor of new mexico. i'll get this place going. >> reporter: a lot of talk about party unity these days within the gop, right, jose? clearly she obviously is a republican governor, he's the presumptive republican nominee, not much love lost between the two. her office said martinez will not be bullied into supporting a candidate until that person has
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proven he or she will fight for new mexico cans. so a lot going on in the world of donald trump as he gets ready for that rally in california. after that he heads to a big dollar fund-raiser in los angeles. his second one. he held one here last night, up to $10,000 a head and tonight is $25,000 a head and up. it's one of his first fund-raisers with the trump victory committee, a joint committee between the trump campaign and republican national committee. significant because of some of the names on the invitation, the names on the list, the people that are showing up and putting their money behind donald trump. jose? >> hallie jackson, thank you very much. a busy, busy day. joining me now, california democratic congressman and clinton surrogate javier becerra. it's a pleasure to see you. >> good to see you. >> you're going to talk about trump's remarks on the housing bubble. is this something that is going to stick with the presumptive
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republican nominee. >> well, if you want to be a president for all the people, you have to explain how you're willing to make money off of people who are in desperate straits, facing miserable conditions, people who are the victims of the vultures in wall street. and so for him to say, hey, i see an opportunity to join the vultures and make money makes you really wonder what kind of president he'll be. >> look, the fact of the matter is the millions of people who were affected by that crash, really their lives have never been the same and it's just one tragedy after another that has far-reaching consequences in families and in homes. >> i can't tell you -- jose, i can't tell you how many people in my congressional district lost their homes. they have still not recovered from that. their wealth, their level of wealth, their savings have not recovered and there are folks who are still struggling to make a salary equal to what they had before this crisis hit, before
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the wall street crash hit. and so it's very difficult to hear somebody wanting to run for president saying, hey, i'm looking for ways to make money off of other people's misery. >> it's friends and family members and neighborhoods that were just devastated by this. congressman, i want to ask you about your state and the democratic race there. hillary clinton has opted out of a debate in california saying, quote, we believe hillary clinton's time is best spent campaigning and meeting directly with voters across california preparing for a general election campaign that will ensure the white house remains in democratic hands. but the senator says that's an insult to the people of california, what do you say? >> i'm one of those people asking the secretary to go to a lot of different places. we're not iowa. we didn't get the candidates day after day where they got to meet with a lot of people in person, not through some camera commercial, in person. a lot of us have been waiting a long time to get the candidates to come to california. she's finally coming in. she's been coming in for a long time. fortunately people have known
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her a couple of decades, but everyone wants to see her and i have a whole bunch of folks who are anxious to have an opportunity to really say to her thank you, i want to help you. it's important for her to have the time to do that because two weeks is going to evaporate before woegt to the primary. she does some of the big meetings but she does a lot of small meetings which i think is what has really helped her out and why i think she's going to win california and become the nominee for democrats after june 7th because we're going to give her the votes that she needs as delegates. >> congressman, you're saying june 7th is it for the democrats for deciding day? >> mark my words, june 7th for sure we will have our nominee on the democratic side. it's been a very active, vigorous, spirited campaign, but i believe come june 7th, hillary clinton will have the delegates she needs. remember, she's already got some 3 million more votes than bernie sanders. she has some almost 300 more delegates than bernie sanders. and she will have the delegates
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she needs to become the nominee by june the 7th, no doubt. california can claim that it took her over the top. >> congressman, if it does take her over the top, there have been some reports, including one recently in "the new york times," that maybe her running mate could be a young latino congressman out of california named javier becerra. any thoughts on that? >> well, i'd like to be considered still young, i am latino and i am from california. i can't tell you that it means that it's going to become the last part of what you said. i do trust that secretary clinton will make tremendously good choices for us as president and as a candidate for president i think she's going to make a really strong choice in picking her vice presidential running mate. who that will be, that will be up to hillary clinton and only hillary clinton. i trust that she'll make a really wise decision. >> but if asked, you would certainly consider? >> in about a month you can ask the person that's in the books
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as one of those as being considered. until then i'm working to make sure we have democrats in november. >> congressman, i just want to point something out. compared to me, anybody is young. that's why i said that. thank you, congressman becerra from california for being with me this morning. still a lot ahead. the tsa chief expected to be grilled on capitol hill. president obama and japan's prime minister holding a joint conference, a press conference in japan. first, paul ryan ready to jump on the trump bandwagon just two weeks after their big meeting on capitol hill. the house speaker not committed to backing a candidate trump. >> do you expect to endorse? >> yeah, i think this is going in a positive direction and i think this is a first encouraging meeting. but again, in 45 minutes you don't litigate all of the processes and issues and principles that we are talking about. >> more on msnbc live, next. ♪
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early this morning a spokeswoman for house speaker paul ryan shot down a bloomberg politics article which claimed ryan was ready to endorse donald trump this week. the spokeswoman stated in part, there's no update and we've not told the trump campaign to expect an endorsement. joining me now, nbc's luke russert who is down the hall from paul ryan's office. luke, good to see you. so is he or isn't he? >> reporter: well good morning there, jose. he's certainly not going to do that today. that's the word we've gotten from ryan officials. part of the reason why is that this is still early on in the process for paul ryan. even though he finds himself on an island, because most of the
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gop leadership in both the house and the senate has accepted donald trump as a republican nominee, paul ryan still wants to have something that he can bring back to the conservative movement and conservative members of his gop conference that shows that donald trump is committed to conservative principles. now, this story from bloomberg that came out last night, a lot of speculation based upon a conversation that paul manafort of the trump campaign had with some capitol hill officials saying, look, it's all but inevitable that paul ryan will endorse donald trump. while the expectation is for that to happen at some point, it might be a little quick. interestingly enough, though, jose, all this happens over the course of the night. what comes out this morning? another campaign style video from house speaker paul ryan with this message. i want to play it because i think it's very interesting to read between the lines here. take a listen. >> leaders need to say here's my principle, here's my solution, and let's try and do it in a way
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that is inclusive, that's optimistic, that's aspirational, that's focusing on solutions. and so that's the choice you'll have far more than a personality. a republican loses personality contests anyway, we always do, but we win ideas contests. we owe you that choice. >> reporter: and, jose, a lot of folks would say that donald trump's campaign has been about personality, not necessarily ideas. and paul ryan throughout this nonendorsement period has been looking for more concrete policy specific ideas. if we're reading between the lines, i think that's what that video that came out this morning said. i'm not ready to go yet and i want to hear more ideas before i go all in on this. >> and if he's looking, luke, for the inclusive and aspirational, it's not a lot of there there.
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>> reporter: i don't think people would refer to new mexico last night as inclusive and aspirational. >> luke russert, it's good seeing you. take care. happening this hour, the 44-year-old romanian hacker who said he breached hillary clinton's e-mail server is set for a change of plea hearing. cynthia mcfadden joins me. you recently spoke with him. what did he tell you? >> well, he is a 44-year-old romanian hacker, as you say. he has a wife. he had a cheap computer and we went to talk to him. he, of course, had notoriously hacked into sidney blumenthal's account, a close confidant of hillary clinton and exposed the fact that he had a private e-mail address but we were shocked when he told us he had also gotten into her server. >> you're saying the clinton server was unprotected. >> translator: yes.
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>> and you had total access to it. >> translator: yes. it was like an open orchid on the internet, as many such servers are. >> so we asked him if he had any proof of this. he said that he did download things from the clinton server. he was in prison and couldn't provide them to us. so the question is, is he going to be able to provide them to anybody else. is he just boasting or did he in fact do this. as one fbi authority said to me, on camera, listen, he has just admitted to a federal crime on camera. why would he do that if it weren't true? however, no proof yet, as far as we know. >> and meanwhile why change his plea to guilty? >> well, that's an interesting question. he of course admitted to all of this, hacking into these various accounts. so the question is, is this plea to guilt part of a plea dole with the government in which he's agreeing to cooperate in some way. one of the keys to look at today is when is the sentencing hearing scheduled? if it's longer than 90 days,
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that may indicate that he is in fact working on a deal. 90 days is the usual length of time for the deal. so let's take a look. >> cynthia mcfadden, thank you very much. it's good seeing you, as always. >> great to see you. coming up, democrats bracing for a tumultuous face-off in philadelphia. bernie sanders supporters saying they're willing to be arrested if they have to protest perceived unfairness to their candidate. tony dokoupil talks to some of those supporters in ohio next.
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oh! hebrew national. a hot dog you can trust. house homeland security committee's hearing on the tsa is currently under way. we are monitoring this for you. of course if there's some interesting exchanges or information revealed, we will bring that to you. we're keeping a very close watch on that. but i want to talk a little about the democratic national convention. as you know, it's in july. it's shaping to be a fierce
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showdown between hillary clinton and bernie sanders and their campaigns. the clinton camp says it wants to bring sanders supporters into the fold, despite sanders promising to stay in the race through the convention. but the divide runs deep. several sanders supporters claim the nomination process has not been fair. msnbc's tony dokoupil is in columbus, ohio, and just got access to a statewide meeting of clinton and sanders delegates bound for the dnc. tony, good morning. what did you find? >> reporter: good morning, jose. let me set the scene for you a little bit. right now all across america democratic delegates are gathering to prepare for the national party convention in philadelphia in july. we went to one of those gatherings. it was a pizza party, a mixer, between sanders delegates and hillary clinton delegates. we wanted to see could this divided party share a slice of pizza and ultimately move toward unifying a platform and sharing it against donald trump in the fall. the immediate answer, unfortunately for democrats, is it doesn't seem like it. a lot of bernie delegates continue to be upset feeling
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this has been an unfair process, a rigged process. we asked them how far are you willing to take this? here's what they told us. >> my convictions are so strong that being arrested is not the worst thing -- i've been there, done that, okay? i'm from the '60s. >> the bernie supporters are intelligent, dedicated people, and we are not violent, we are not going to raise chairs, we're not going to hit with our fists, we're going to hit with our mind, our power of the people and our determination to never give up. >> are you concerned you might help hand donald trump an advantage? >> absolutely not. that's a myth. that's nothing more than a myth. >> reporter: jose, we also spoke to hillary clinton delegates about this civil did osobedienc and the potential for sanders delegates to be arrested. here's what they told us. >> i feel like his supporters deserve a voice.
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he also deserves a voice in this process because we're the democratic party. we're not the republican party who shuts people out, who shuts people down. we should be a party of inclusiveness, so i feel like having bernie a part of this process is a good thing, it's healthy. >> reporter: so, jose, really amazing gathering. it wasn't so long ago we were talking about the republican convention being the contested one, but right now it seems like the democratic convention is heading in a similar direction. this is national. there's a recent gallup poll that found 51% of americans regardless of party feel like this election process has been rigged in 2016. that doesn't bode well for unity. >> that's a good point. tony dokoupil, thank you very much. donald trump is now going after new mexico's republican governor after the governor said she was too busy to attend his rally in albuquerque last night. >> we have to get your governor to get going. she's got to do a better job, okay. your governor has got to do a better job. she's not doing the job.
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hey, maybe i'll run for governor of new mexico. i'll get this place going. she's not doing the job. >> martinez' office fired back saying the governor will not be bullied into supporting a candidate until she is convinced that that candidate will fight for new mexicans. this latest issue, is this going to create more problems for the gop and latino voters? let me bring in maria teresa kumar. great seeing you. so now trump going after governor martinez. that's his latest kind of target. but people like, for example, senator marco rubio has come out to defend her saying she is one of the hardest working and most effective governors in america. that's what senator rubio says. is this going to hurt donald trump? it seems like nothing he's said in the past has hurt him. >> well, this is what is boggling people's minds. susannah martinez is a gop
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governor and part of his party, she's a republican. the fact that she didn't show up also basically underlies that she didn't want to be complicit to what donald trump is doing, not only within the gop but also among americans the way he's talking about race and latinos. i think it's something that the republican party really has to reckon with. i think they recognize they have a latino problem. they recognize they have to try to fix this latino problem in order to get to the white house but they have a candidate, a front-runner who doesn't seem to care, who recognizes that by instigating this type of decisiveness, it actually rallies up his base. >> we've talked about this at length. susannah martinez is not exactly the most -- >> she's very unfriendly when it comes to immigration reform. >> let's talk about that. let's talk about the driver's license for the undocumented. that was one of the first issues she ran on and she has been running on that since. >> so she -- again, she is just -- she seems like a very
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natural ally for him in new mexico, where they have a tendency of being much more open to less aggressive policies in this case. all of a sudden, he is saying, yes, you may be a republican, but i actually am going to attack you because at the end of the day you're not right for new mexico. i don't understand the strategy because he doesn't have any from what i understand very few latino supports within the republican party. so again, this is almost like low-hanging fruit and he's slugging his shoulders off. i have to say for the folks protesting last night, though, there's a lot of pain right now, jose, in the latino community. but don't take the bait. this is exactly what donald trump wants. he actually wants to point fingers and say, look, these individuals are not american and very much so they are playing into that playbook. we have to take a step back and look at what the bigger picture is. the bigger picture is making sure that the republican party and democratic party step up and care about america. >> i'm glad you brought that up. i'm glad you brought that up.
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let's talk a little about that because the fact is that in this country one needs to be able to speak out. if you support something or someone, to be able to do that peacefully. and if you oppose something or someone, to do that equally. and that all sides are respected. when you start having metal fences thrown at groups and just violence, i think it does undermine the very principles that you're trying to get out. >> that's exactly right. but i think what concerns me is that folks are trying to make it sound like that what happened last night in albuquerque happened overnight. it has not. donald trump and his supporters have been seeding this for a long time and people are finally basically trying to figure out how to let off some steam. you know how you let off steam? flex your muscles, register people to vote, get people to the polls, create allies and say this is not the america we believe in. this is not a gop versus latino issue. this is the heart of where wore as american. where is it that when we talk
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about belittling a veteran, when we talk about belittling a muslim, a woman, someone that's disabled, someone that may have an accent, that is not the america we actually believe in and this is the time for us to really look in the mirror and say this is the time for us to take a stand and flex our muscle at the voting booth and recognize that we are bigger allies than we are when we are divisive. >> what makes us great and different is the fact we resolve our problems and differences through votes and not through bullets, through ballots, and not bullets. >> and right now -- >> that's exactly right. >> it's a pleasure to see you. >> gracias, jose. a lot still ahead. the tsa chief grilled this hour on capitol hill. we're monitoring this for you. stay with us, we'll be right back on "msnbc live." one coat, yes!
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hillary clinton's private e-mail server. nbc news has on tabed a copy of the report which says clinton did not comply with the federal records act. ken joins me by phone. what do we know this morning? >> this is a report by the state department's inspector general that looked at the e-mail practices of all secretary of states, but it explicitly says that hillary clinton didn't comply with the rules about preservation of government records and that she should have preserved all the e-mails she was using and printed them out and handed them over to the state department as soon as she left office. >> so the fact that she didn't comply, what does that mean? is there any repercussions to this or it's just a report saying she shouldn't have done it and do they include, as you say, other administration state department officials? >> secretary condoleezza rice didn't use e-mail. colin powell who preceded her
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did use e-mail and the report points out that he didn't comply in all cases with the federal records rules. but this report goes into detail and will be seized on in the political campaign because it goes into a lot of the issues around clinton's use of a private e-mail server. for example, it reveals for the first time and i'm just reading quickly through it here. it reveals that key information technology officials in the state department are saying that they were not aware of the extent of her use of a private e-mail. they never approved it, she never asked them and she should have gotten approval from them and they probably wouldn't have granted it actually. >> thank you very much for being with me on this breaking news out of the state department. the report that sharply criticizes hillary clinton e-mail practices while secretary of state. meanwhile any minute now democratic lawmakers on capitol hill are set to hold a press conference. the topic, donald trump. while we wait, let me bring in nbc's hallie jackson, julie and
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seema metha of "the los angeles times." hallie, let me start with you and your reporting on trump and his conspiracy theories. >> something that he talks about often, at least when asked about it, jose, touching some topics that politicians, many of them, try to steer away from generally. most recently, trump has speculated about a clinton-related conspiracy theory, prompting us to take a closer look at his history with these kind of debunked discussions. >> look at this crowd. >> reporter: donald trump's latest foray into the fringe, questioning the 1993 death of president clinton's aide vince foster. trump calling wildly debunked issues of foul play very serious, telling "the washington post" it's very fishy. >> you think the stuff they said about her is bad? they accused me of murder. >> reporter: foster's death ruled suicide by an independent investigation. this far from the first time
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trump has dabbled in the discredited. >> it's the kind of things donald trump has been talking about for years. >> reporter: remember his birther claims against president obama? trump led the movement in 2011 that ultimately prompted the president to release his long form birth certificate and unleash on trump. >> he can finally get back to focusing on the issues that matter. like did we fake the moon landing. >> the problem for donald trump is that now as the gop nominee, he needs to win over a broader swath of the electorate, and this is simply seeking to the converted. >> reporter: as candidate trump, he's only turned up the volume, making mainstream theories other politicians don't touch. when ted cruz was still in the race, trump speculated about a tabloid rumor linking cruz's father to jfk's assassination. >> the fact that a picture was taken of him and lee harvey oswald and they didn't deny that picture.
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i just asked what was that all about. >> reporter: typical for trump, raising the question letting it hang for someone else to answer. >> let's be clear, this is nuts. yes, my dad killed jfk, he is secretly elvis and jimmy hoffa is buried in his backyard. >> reporter: also this campaign when asked about the death of supreme court justice antonin scalia. trump reported on another rumor. >> they say they found a pillow on his face, which is a pretty unusual place to find a pillow. i can't tell you what -- i can't give you an answer. >> reporter: officials say scalia died of natural causes. even after they're debunked, conspiracy theories can calm nate headlines for days. like when trump said this about the reaction of muslim americans to 9/11. >> and i watched in jersey city, new jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. >> reporter: independent fact checkers say that's just not true. but that's just not stopping
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trump. trump has argued previously he is simply responding to questions others have asked of him and doesn't bring this talk up on the campaign trail. jose. >> julie, as we've seen, whatever trump says really hasn't affected him with his supporters much. >> that's true. and what's really interesting is that there is plenty of material that he could be talking about with clinton, her policies, his policy differences with her and as we just learned this morning, there's plenty of material about her history with the state department and with the private e-mail server. and yet he's going again and again to the very personal attacks. he's going again and again to conspiracy theories. and i think that's because he gets big headlines from them. he stays in the news cycle. that's really been a critical piece of his success so far. and he seems pretty unwilling to change up at this point. >> julie, yet the headlines after a while, when the headlines talk about, you know, conspiracy theories and we heard
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that very interesting sound bite with senator ted cruz about just, you know, how you can start making fun of these issues, eventually it could catch up with him but it hasn't so far. >> yeah. i mean we're so clearly in a very different type of election cycle that it's hard to predict how supporters of trump will react to the long term. whether he'll be able to broaden his coalition of voters, which he clearly needs to do, and how hillary clinton herself will react to all of this. it's just a very different approach to politicking. i think we're more used to seeing outside groups and allies of the candidates doing this sort of dirty work. very unusual to have the candidate himself doing it. >> and seema, focusing on the democrats, if the dnc does remove debbie wasserman schultz before the convention, what are voters supposed to read into that? is that even a possibility? >> i think it's so interesting we're talking about the
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democrats. we all thought the republican convention would be so contested and all this drama and it's actually the democratic party. i don't know if the chairwoman will be removed but the fact that we're talking about this as a possibility shows how different this election cycle has come and how much of a split there is in the democratic party. >> and, you know, i was talking to congressman javier becerra from california and he was saying california is d-day as far as deciding on who the nominee is going to be. i mean, seema, if california, if she does come out of california as the presumptive nominee, how do you then work towards getting those folks that bernie sanders has depended on and that support him so fiercely to kind of come to that realization as well? >> bernie sanders out here has a lot of support and a lot of passion. i think the more she talks about the issues that are a concern to his supporters whether it's the minimum wage, income inequality, ike that would be helpful.
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being respectful to him at the convention, allowing him to have an influence on the party's platform, all of those would send signals to his supporters. if you look back at 2008, hillary clinton once she got out of the race wholehearted low backed senator obama. she also knew she wanted to run for office again. with bernie sanders, this is probably his last shot. he's 74 years old. he don't know what he wants and he hasn't been a democrat his whole life and i think it's going to be interesting to see how he behaves between the june 7th primaries and the convention. >> seema mehta, hallie jackson and julie, thank you all for being with me this morning. appreciate it. residents across the plains are cleaning up a day after tornados swept across the region. two people injured after a tornado touched down in dodge city, kansas. one person in oklahoma drowned when their vehicle was swept away by floodwaters. those storms are now on the move. almost 17 million people between
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bill cosby will be standing trial on sexual assault charges. he's accused of drugging and molesting andrea constand. he has not entered a plea in the case but has previously said their interaction is consensual and his lawyer says he's not guilty. so what can we expect in a celebrity trial like this one. how might fame and money impact both sides. msnbc chief legal correspondent ari melber is following this case closely. before we get to the whole celebrity issue, will the other women who have accused cosby, allegations he's denied, be involved in this trial? >> that's the big question and the outcome of the trial could turn on whether it's a he said/she said or a he said/they said. and juries obviously would put a lot of credibility in hearing
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from multiple women who might be describing some of the same types of accusations. ultimately a judge will make that call, jose, and it will go to a question of whether the types of accusations available or presented are so particular that they would make an exception to the general bar against that kind of evidence. i will note that we've reported here at msnbc that the d.a.'s office has clearly talked to some of these women and is clearly investigating that to have that evidence at the ready, depending on what a judge allows. >> ari, explain to me the legal aspect of how one learns that there was a settlement in this specific case some years ago and yet it's back in now. explain to me how that occurs. >> well, to put it real simple, there are two lanes for trials, right? there is the civil lane where private parties sue each other and the resolution is usually money and some other agreement like secrecy and the criminal lane where the government has the power to prosecute you and
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you could wind up in jail. so all the civil lane suits are just private agreements. so when people were given money, for example, based on the harm alleged in their suit, often -- and this is not just in bill cosby or serious sex crime case, this is true in contract negotiations or rent disputes, landlord disputes, you often come to an agreement where you work out some money and you have it basically sealed and confidential. that's in effect part of what people are paying for. as for the celebrity part that you mentioned, there's a lot of questions here around how bill cosby's fame and his reputation outside the courtroom will play into this. remember when the a.p. first raised these charges after media had often left him alone about it despite many women being out there and he had a very interesting sort of response, this is back, i want to play, from november, 2015. >> i have to ask about your name coming up in the news recently regarding this comedian -- >> no, no, we don't answer that. >> okay.
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i just wanted to ask if you wanted to respond at all about whether any of that was true. >> there's no response. can i get something from you? >> what's that. >> that none of that will be shown. >> you see that there, bill cosby saying there's no response. he has the right to say that, his lawyers probably advise him there but in the end telling that reporter that, hey, this shouldn't be in the public eye. we are a long way from that. this is obviously all in the public eye now, jose. >> ari melber, thank you very much. we're going to take a short break and we'll be right back right here on "msnbc live."
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anti-trump demonstrators clash with police and now this morning police in california are issuing a new warning ahead of another trump rally taking place in a few hours. also ahead, did trump pay up months after promising to donate to veterans causes? a report in "the washington post" indicates that money had not been paid until this week. and what about trump's claims that he raised $6 million? developing now, at least one fatality early this morning after heavy flooding and dozens of tornados in the midwest. now millions of americans are in the path of more severe weather today and perhaps over the weekend. good morning, everyone, i'm tam ron hall coming through live from our msnbc headquarters in new york. we begin with some breaking news from the state department. an audit done by that department faults hillary clinton and previous secretaries of state for poorly managing e-mails. the report cites long-standing systemic weaknesses in and related to the pa

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