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virginia. william stiff wrote, her real name it seems, was originally tonight. he has officially
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the republican nomination. so this is now as real as it gets. and this man, who was an unqualified loose canon is within reach of the most important job of the world. >> trump celebrated by showing a picture of himself with a meal from mcdonald's on his private jet. he had a press conference in
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bismarck, north dakota, where he addressed a backdrop of republican delegates and shortly after giving a speech on energy. the comments that president obama made in japan earlier this morning about how world leaders view the presumptive gop nominee. >> they are not sure how seriously to take some of his pronouncements. but they're rattled by it. and for good reason. he does a lot of the proposals that he has made, display either ignorance of world affairs or a cavalier attitude, or -- an interest in -- getting tweets and headlines instead of actually thinking through what's required to keep the world on an even keel. >> asked about the president's comments trump said the world leaders are rattled as a positive. >> these good.
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is that right? that's good. i love that word. he used a bad word because he doesn't know nothing about business. if you rattle someone, that's a good thing, john, not a bad thing. >> world leaders are not the only ones rattled. a new poll finds 7 8% believe trump's views make the world less safe. later in his conference he showed off his signature diplomatic grace when he was asked about senator elizabeth warren who has been sharply critical of trump. >> who? pocahontas? look. she is offensive. >> very offensive, sorry. >> i'm sorry about that. pocahontas? i'm sorry. what did you say? >> trump was also pressed in an interview that his chief paul manafort spoke. he's already started lottering on that. he operated by starting the conversation at the outer edges
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and brings it back toward the middle. within his comfort zone he'll offer more. trump said, quote, we're going to look at a lot of different things so who knows. manafort was also quoted saying for his running mate trump probably wouldn't pick a woman or person of color, quote, in fact, that would be viewed as pandering. when asked if that was his view, trump offered this up. >> no, i would say it wows be somebody but we don't do it for any specific reason. we're looking for absolute competence. i fully expect we'll have many women involved with not only -- i've had it with the campaign, but we're going to have many women involved and i think you're going to see that and you're going to see that very strongly. >> manafort's comments. last night the trump campaign announced that national political director nick wiley was no longer with the campaign. he worked with trump for six
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weeks. now joining me now robert costa. now you've got the guy within a span of 24 hours he's clinched and he fired the one real genuine political professional who was brought in to build a 21st century political organization. >> chris, as we all know at the center of this campaign is one strategist, donald trump. and he has a warring campaign in some ways with paul manafort, corey lewandowski. we continue to see the campaign barreling forward, trump at the center being the key player and the decisionmaker. >> what's the deal? it seems like "game of thrones" over that campaign. let me say covering a lot of campaigns, they're all "game of thrones." the office poll sicks of campaigns are legendarily brutal.
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this one seems more brutal than usual. >> it's a different kind of campaign because it's very small in size. if you compare trump to the operation, it's small. in manafort you have someone who's building relationships in washington, doesn't have as close a rapport with lewandowski. but they're both useful to trump in different ways. they don't get along for the most part, however, but they seem to be operating for a moment in a way that's somewhat peaceful. >> all right. paul ryan is continuing as a sort of consolidation map, you saw those delegates smiling in north dakota today, some of them interviewed later weren't particularly big donald trump fans but this is the way things are going. paul ryan continues his will he or won't he routine. had a phone call with trump last night. take a listen to what he had to say. >> it was a productive phone call. like i said, we've had these
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conversations. we had a very good and very productive phone call. aisle leave it at that. what i'm most concerned about is making sure we actually have real party unity, not pretend because we need to win this election in the fall. there's too much at stake. the supreme court, on and on and on i could go. the real important part is party unity. that's the most important part. >> what's the exit strategy for ryan here? >> there's a group on the right that's never going to come to trump, never going to embrace him should they decide to, quote, support the nominee. trump is not making overtures in trying to win over parties. he's a populist and when you look at the interactions behind the scenes between a lot of trump and ryan people, there's a sense they would like to see party unity but both sides don't really care if it actually happens. >> when you say that, do you think we'll actually go into cleveland with ryan not actually endorsing him?
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>> i think that's very possible. there may be a semiformal endorsement once he gets the nomination but it's not going to be something that's done with gusto. >> all right. robert costa. thank you for your time. appreciate it. three days ago hillary clinton said she would not debate bernie sanders. that does not mean the debate's over. donald trump said he would, quote, love to debate sanders under the right circumstances. he was asked about the possibility and he suggest he was open to it. sanders tweeted game on. i look forward to debating donald trump in california before the june 7th primary. supporters said trump was only joking. it sure didn't sound that when trump was asked about the possible debate today. >> what we can do is raise for maybe women's health issues or something, if we can raise $10 million or $15 million for charity, which would be a very appropriate amount.
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i tons television business very well. i think we would get very high ratings. it should be in a big arena somewhere and we could have a lot of fun with it. the biggest problem i have is bernie is not going to win. but i would debate him if they put up money for charity. we'll see. i've actually had a couple of calls from networks. >> bernie sanders said he'd be delighted to do and in the biggest stadium as possible. >> hillary clinton has not agreed to debate me here in california so i look forward to debating mr. trump. i think it's important somebody hold him to task for his outrageously bigoted remarks against mexicans, latinos, muslims, women, veterans, african-americans and tell him to his face that the strength of our country is our diversity, is our coming together.
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>> howard dean who has endorsed hillary clinton. a lot of clinton supporters really did not like this idea. they felt it was exclusionary, a stunt, bernie sanders going off the rails and who know as what will happen. what is your take on this? >> i think it's spectacular. it certainly is exclusionary and it certainly is going off the rails. i think that wacko donald as i now call him because we're all taking off with his tradition, wacko donald is going to chicken out. i think he's afraid to debasement sanders will clean his clock. it's not going to change the outcome of the race at all. the risk is substantial. that's why you saw sanders campaign, people trying to run away -- excuse me, trump's campaign, people trying to run away from this as quick as possible. i think it will be a great spectacle. i would get up at 3:00 in the morning. >> the key point you make is a good one. bernie sanders wants to debate. they want the air time.
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and to a certain extent you can understand trump wanting to invite bernie sanders as a way to sort of needling hillary clinton, but you could tell donald trump when he raised the price today, he said $10 million, then $15 million, trying to name a price that was going to be insurmountable so he wouldn't have to actually do it. >> right. this is so typical of wacko donald. he gets out there with his proposal, somebody calls his bluff, and then he finesses and disassembles and backs away. the only problem is you should haven't a guy like that for president of the united states who's going to back away from tough people. and i guarantee no matter how tough hillary clinton and bernie sanders are, vladimir putin is tough too. i don't think the country can rink having donald trump as president. i hope it happens. i don't think there's any downside risk for hillary clinton. i think there's an upside for bernie sanders. i think sanders would clean donald trump's absolute clock.
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>> maybe before we go to philadelphia, certainly after philadelphia, what is bernie sanders' role? what is his role in this campaign? this to me would be a sort of fascinating moment in viewing what that could look like, i'm sure. bernie could do what elizabeth warren is doing, which is fry trump every day. elizabeth warren has gotten under trump's skin, which is incredibly therein. that would be a great role. i think bernie is going have a huge movement at his back after this is all done with. i thought it was a very, very good thing that they came to an agreement on the platform with a couple of exceptions. those are very solid people on both sides who understand politics, understand issues. i was very pleased by the coming together of the hillary camp and the bernie camp on a platform
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committee agreement. >> do you want to name who those exceptions are? >> no. they're not bad people. i know some of them. people like keith ellison are outstanding, jim zogby. i've known this guy for years. he's an arab american. he's a very thoughtful guy. hillary's got some incredibly smart thoughtful people on her side. barbara lee is probably the left of bernie sanders. i think it's a great group and i give both sides a lot of credit for putting this together and making this happen. that's a big deal, a big step toward what has to be unity in order to beat trump. trump is a real candidate. he may be a real candidate. he could win. and we have to take this seriously. finally this. one of the challenges, i think, is trump makes himself always accessible. he's constantly getting interviews.
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he's constantly on tv. the clinton campaign has not had that same instinct. today it was obvious. do you think the campaign will need to be more successful with the candidate down the stretch of this campaign if trump remains as accessible as he is? >> i don't think so. look. every candidate is different and every candidate relates to the press differently and the press always wants as much accessibility as possible and sometimes that gets counter productive. i took trump as getting himself in trouble. he won the nomination because he was so accessful to the press. the problem is he doesn't make any sense. when yu get closer and closer to the election, it's very hard to vote for someone as you very aptly said in the program talked word salad most of the time. >> howard dean, thanks for being with me. appreciate it. >> thanks, chris. still to come, how much damage did chris christie's failed run and the run. new polling is out and its is
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largely we can eliminate the department of education. dep is killing us environmentally. it's just killing our businesses. >> that was donald trump last month apparently trying to refer to the environmental protection agency. today in bismarck, north dakota, trump gave a speech devoted to energy and the environment. one of those rare so-called policy addresses in which he borrows a teleprompter. trump was asked questions about his energy policy. perhaps it was there we got a better idea of the grasp of the subject, whether he was in favor of the upland pipeline that
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would run from north dakota to canada. transcanada, that's the same company behind the keystone xl pipeline will seek approval for. trump had. heard of the pipeline, event ueli admitted as much. but his rambling is a reminder of where he is most comfortable. >> do you like the idea? do you like the idea as a reporter? that's okay. >> my basic bias would be to approve. i want to approve for jobs. the concept of pipelines is okay if they're going from the right place to right place, okay? bernie is going to ban fracking. hillary is going to ban fracking. hillary is going to abolish the second amendment in case you're wondering. we're going to have all kinds of energy including solar. if you go to various places in california, wind is killing all the eagles. if you shoot an eagle, they'll put you in jail for five years and yet the windmills are killing hundreds and hundreds of
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eagles, one of the most beautiful treasured birds. >> for the record, while sanders believes in fracking, hillary does not. a 2014 review found wind turbines killed fewer cats and cell towers. later he delivered his policy speech. make no mistake, he was there to serve up a wish list for the republican establishment, for oil and coal and fracking interests and the kind of agenda that might come from any sort of generic run-of-the-mill republican politician when it comes to energy policy. >> here is my 100-day action plan. we're going to rescind all the obama destroying action. we're going to save the coal industry. i'm going to ask transcanada to renew its application for the
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keystone pipeline. we're going lift moratoriums on oil production in federal arias. we're going to stop all payments of the united states tax dollars to u.n. global warming programs. my america first energy plan will do for american people what hillary clinton will never do. >> joining me now, oil and gas industry expert, bob cavnar and also author of "requests" disaster on the horizon." what did you make of the speech today? >> well, after listening to the whole speech, and, frankly, this is the first one i was able to sit all the way through. i was getting a nervous twitch at the end. no one in the industry believes the things that he's saying and no serious person actually thinks this is an energy policy. basically trump did what he
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always does in front of a crowd. he panders to that particular crowd, and this was an oil and gas conference in north dakota for the basin. so stringing all those slogans together didn't form any kind of policy at all. >> he talks about coal. he's going to bring the coal jobs back and there's this idea of hillary clinton and barack obama. coal is getting crushed not by hillary clinton and barack obama but by the price of rising gas and those prices are not come back. >> that's exactly right, chris, because now coal is actually tagging behind natural gas. natural gas is the fuel that's being used for all the new plants. coal is dirty, it's tough to transport. it's kind of the bottom of the food chain for coal. coal has gone down because natural gas is a much better
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fuel than coal. it had nothing to do with the regulations. as a matter of fact in wyoming where almost half of our sub buy tomb news coals is mined is controlled by the coal industry. it's a very friendly state to coal and those companies in wyoming now are going bankrupt because there's no demand for their fuel. >> it also was striking to me that this speech barely did not talk about climate at all except that he ooh going to renege on paris, stop any contributions to the u.n. there wasn't a huge run of denialism. but i mean if you're talking about energy in the future. you cannot have that conversation unless you're talk about climate. >> you can't have that conversation without climate and you can't talk about an energy policy. we're the only country in the world who doesn't have a comprehensive energy policy. all those things reduce the
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carbon emissions in the atmosphere. trump didn't address those today and no serious person can have a conversation about policy without talking about those very things. his slogan shouldn't be let's make america great again. his slogan should be let's take america back 1940 because that's what he's proposing. >> all right. bob cavnar, thanks for being with us. we appreciate it. up next, the man who led the investigation into bill clinton resulting in bill clinton's impeachment. that's right after this short break. nothing unleashes power... quite like the human foot. introducing the 255 horsepower lexus is 300 all-wheel-drive. with twenty-five percent more base horsepower. once driven, there's no going back.
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ultimately to the president's impeachment. now, according to the times starr is full of praise for clinton expressing regret over what he you femme is particularly described as unpleasantness. then came another headline. baylor university where starr was appointed president has now demoted him and fired the head football coach after they found failure to address repeated accusations and sexual assaults against football players. the man made famous for his years-long inquest decision to the consensual sexual affair between bill clinton and monica lewinsky. according to the findings, he ignored or hushed up allegations of misconduct and in one case actually retaliated against an accuser. starr will keep his job as university professor and chancellor at the hospital. still ahead, regardless of starr's feelings, donald trump
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clearly believes those decades-old scandal are fertile ground for new attacks on hillary clinton. he's not the first republican to think so. back when clinton first ran for senate in new york a gop consultant did some research on how voters would respond to those kinds of attacks and he joins me next. i take these out...
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skeptical about what happened and how he died but i don't think it's something that, frankly -- unless something to the contrary of what i've seen comes up, i don't think it should be part of the campaign but, again, if you people reveal something to me,'ll answer it the promote way. >> continuing to flirt with some nasty theories. in the 1993 suicide of their very close friend vince foster, white house aide, personal friend of the clintons. trump sounded off calling theories of possible foul play very serious and the circumstance of foster's death very fishy. quote, people continuing bring it up because they think it was absolutely a murder. foster's sister, sheila foster anthony responded today in a heartbreaking op ed describing her brother's battle with depression. >> we're barely into the candidacy and he's resurrecting
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everything from around the 1990s. just yesterday politico obtained an e-mail from the trump campaign asking for dirt on the whitewater investigation. republicans have already been down this road. back in 2000 strategist rick wilson was working on rudy giuliani senate campaign, a race giuliani eventually dropped out of. he was testing attacks. rick wilson joins me now. and, rick, giuliani jumped out of the race. rick lazio ran, he was a congressman of new york and hillary clinton beat him. he was elected senator twice. what do you find back then when people were freshener their minds? >> we went out and did a pollster and the sad or happy fact even though this was the time when he was -- bill clinton was two years outside of the
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scandal, he had been impeached t whole thing, and, frankly, all of it was in new york at least a complete blowback. when you went into a focus group or asked the voters in new york, hey, what do you think about us bringing up bill clinton -- the fact he's chronic corn dog and would have sex with a cow chip if it slowed down quick enough, they pushed back on it immediately. they hated the fact that we were talking about his life. they had a direct response. it was not, oh, that woman facilitated this. it was, oh, my god, that's horrible. she practically deserves it because he's been so bad to her. it was really something that was sort of an early lesson in this is that there's a degree to which you can push that button but there's also a degree to which people will start to reject it. again, those are the results from new york state. you notice barack obama didn't run in 2008 pushing those buttons.
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you'll notice that when she's been tested before, people who have looked at the numbers and looked at these things in focus groups realize you can't make that argument as a centerpiece of your campaign and you certainly can't go back and make all of this other stuff about real estate deals from the 1970s and '80s. and, yes, all the whitewater stuff, it's all that sleazy gritty hillbilly stuff that they're famous for but nobody cares about it at this point. >> without agreeing to the last sentence, let me ask you this. my instinct has been that this lesson was actually learned by republicans and learned in 1998 and quite powerfully. >> yes. >> the reason impeachment happened is there was a sense that these folks were horrible and that a bunch of scandals in the republican mind, a bunch of scandals had accused. they had balled into this gigantic unabnormal sort of monstrosity and it was polling of the impeachment itself that
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recommended, i thought, showed an entire generation of republicans that there was a real backlash effect. >> well, look. here's the thing. the minute it went from being something that was viewed as the appropriate response to bill clinton's sexual predation in the white house and became -- >> that was a consensual affair, let me just say. >> it became viewed as a political lever against him. that's when it started to blow back in the minds of the public. look. i have no beef with the clintons, either one of them. but the fact is i'm into the utility of the actual messages and strategies that work, and that's not one that's working. it frankly blew us out in '96. we got into this whole discussion about monica lewinsky for half a decade and it did not help us in direct communication
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against the clintons. i mean george bush learned a lesson when he basically said i am going to bring honor and dignity back to the white house. he stayed away from all the details. that tested beautifully and he followed it almost rigidly in the course the campaign because they knew it worked. they knew it was the appropriate way to do it. you could short hand it for people. you didn't have to beat people over the head, the story of the blue dress and all the other hoo-ha. >> you're also putting together a procedure. you're talking about messages, focus group, tools people used. he's been able to sort of put his finger on the pulse of a certain kind of voter in the republican primary and it seems to me like he still has his finger on that particular pulse when he's doing this kind of stuff. >> yeah. if he doesn't have the conspiracy theory mena, arkansas, whitewater blue dress voter already, we're missing
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something. those are his people already. >> yeah. >> but, you know, beyond that group, not as much. not as much of an effect. >> rick wilson. thank you very much. coming up, what happens when you miss your moment. the long steep fall of chris christie. that story after this break. one coat, yes! ♪ there is a day, for every number. ♪ ♪ there is a time, for all my slumbers. ♪ one coat guaranteed marquee interior. behr's most advanced paint. get the best paint for any budget and save 10 or 40 bucks. only at the home depot.
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cementing his reputation as a republican star. now 2 1/2 years and one bridge scandal, he's a different republican party after dropping out of the gop primary race without winning a single state he went on to endorse donald trump. he had a very distinct i'm here against my will to it all. that, no, in fact, he was not being held hostage by donald trump. >> so, no, i wasn't being held hostage. no, i wasn't up there thinking, oh, my god, what have i done. i was though standing there supporting the person i believed to be the best person to beat hillary clinton of the remaining republican candidates? and yesterday we got the latest window to the at times confusing relationship between donald trump and chris christie. >> far less time. yeah. >> what that call was about and
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the radio station said they were under the impression donald trump was called. chris christie's office did not respond to multiple requests for confirmation. could that probably have something to do with the way the people of new jersey feel about their governor and his relationship with donald trump? who knows. right now his approval rating is down, 51%. they asked if they feel christie's work on behalf of donald trump has hurting the governor. 66% said, yes. more of this might be the most brutal finding i ever heard. they say they don't just dislike his policies but dis-like everything about him. good thing there's always a trump administration to fall back on. wont. most allergy pills only control one inflammatory substance. flonase controls six. and six is greater than one. flonase changes everything.
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a bombshell. libertarian and trump delegate peter teal admitted to being behind a secret effort to fund
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several different lawsuits aimed at putting a media company, gawker, out of business. this includes the most high-profile lawsuit of hulk hogan against gawker for publishing a secret sex tape. a jury awarded him though they had no way of knowing that he was posting the money for the suit to the tune of $10 million. they published that he was gay. i saw gawker pioneer in a unique and damaging way of getting attention by bullying people even when there's no connection. now it's raised all kinds of technical questions. ask this is an incredible caper. lo and behold two days later here's thiel basically copping to it. what do you make of this?
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>> well, it's amazing on many levels. you know, chris, they used to say about the powerful taking on the media, you don't ever want to get in a dispute with someone who buys inch by the barrelful, but that's been turned on its head. now i would say the media don't want to get in did puce with anybody who can buy litigation in bulk and that's exactly what thiel has done. the hogan suit and two others, in order to reap some revenge against gawker for its various outrages over the years, and there's plenty of those. this is -- this is like the iran/iraq war or an episode of "seinfeld." it's hard to find a sympathetic character. >> it's interesting you feel that way. i find something troubling about it, not that it's illegal. this is all done essentially legally as far as i know, but troubling. people bring lawsuits all the time and people sue things for other things and you kind doff know who the parties are and
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what they're up to. it's the idea of somebody specifically backing suits secretly with the intent of putting a place out of business, which seems to be what's going on here. that seems different than the other kinds of litigation that any media outlet might phase for things they might run and have to be able to account for. >> there are things called slap suits. this is litigation that is pressed not because the plaintiff has any expectation of winning, but they know they can bleed the defendant dry in the process, and a number of jurisdictions, including california, by the way, which i believe is where peter thiel lives, it's illegal to file a slap suit. he's gone shopping for cases that apparently have some sort of -- >> merit. >> -- some merit and he's bank rolled behind the curtain.
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the question is if the law has any provision for this. there are a lot of suits. it in effect becomes an investor in the suit and public interest law is based on third parties, basically nonprofits, backing the suit with money. but this is a case where the wizard of oz is -- has suddenly been revealed to be behind the curtain and the question is, i think, if the judge knew that, would this case have been thrown out, the hogan case, would have been thrown out from the get-go? it was improperly denied along the packet of the jurisprudence. >> bob garfield, thanks for your time as always. appreciate it. >> my pleasure. up next, donald trump saying he would debate bernie sanders wasn't the only story. what jimmy kimmel gets trump to admit for the first time next.
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2008, i want to get this right, you thought hillary clinton would make a terrific president. what did she do. >> let me explain this. i had a beautiful story recently. trump is a good businessman. i speak well of everybody. when they asked me about hillary clinton, she's wonderful, the husband, everybody's wonderful, that's the way it is. including contributions. they ask me for contributions -- >> so you were full of [ bleep ] when you said that. >> last night donald trump appeared on "jimmy kimmel live"
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where he confirmed something that the most casual observer can see. he acknowledged he's full of it, doing whatever he needs to whenever he needs to. trump himself has talked about evolving on issues and yesterday his chairman said, quote, he's already started moderating on that. he operated by starting on the conversation where its brings him back toward the middle. his willingness to change his tune was on full display last night when asked about his previous position about transgender people can use whatever bathroom they want. >> i think it's pretty simple. let the states decide. we have to protect everybody. it's a very, very small group. >> if you were vote personally or pattern in new york you would vote for that right? >> well, the party generally believes that whatever your born, that's the bathroom you use. >> what about you?
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>> me? i say let the states decide. >> would you personally support it? >> would i support -- no, what i support is let the states decide. i think the states will do hopefully the right thing. >> what's the right thing? >> i don't know yet. honestly i don't know. >> trump supporter a.j. delgado, here's my question for you. i followed you on twitter and you were tweeting about his initial response to some of the controversy over these bathroom bills in different states, north carolina and indiana. he was pretty tolerant. look, i don't think it's that big of a deal and let the states decide. my question is you are you confident in any different policy arena that what he says on any different day isn't going to change the next day? >> yeah, absolutely, because i don't think he has contradicted hymn. the bathroom issue was the first one. how would you feel about it. would you let caitlyn jenner use your bathroom? sure. then if you have power, you do
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answer as a conservative would. will it the states decide especially because ever since he's made those remarks we receive news stories about men who aren't transgender who are sneaking into bathrooms and so forth, so it's given people cold feet. his position is completely consistent, not contradictory. >> also i think it's largely myth. but let me say this. i can see him saying these are my policies, i want to build a wall and get rid of nafta and trade deals and then you get someone who says i don't know if he's telling the truth but i like him and i trust his judgment and he's going do whatever it takes once he gets in there. but i don't see how you can believe in both, right? his whole thing is i'm flexible, i'm a businessman, i'm, quote, full of it when i have to be.
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which of those two are you? >> somebody who -- i want him to be someone who's flexible. i like what manafort said, that he's willing to maybe perhaps moderate the muslim ban. remember, that was a suggest. he never said he was going to temporarily ban muslims. he's not contradicting himself there. he's being flexible. >> he called for it. >> no, he suggested a possible ban ominous limb immigration that would be temporary and it kind of blue into this story. >> he said we have to do it. i'm quoting him. but continue. >> my point is -- answers to the public, what you should be concerned about is a flip-flopper like hillary clinton. i'll give you a great example. he's now a pro immigrant. in 2006 she was in favor of more fencing and a wall, a wall. she mentioned the wall.
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>> but she -- >> these ooh way worse. >> but she voted for mccain/kennedy back in 2006 and they were part of that package, right? >> she mentioned a wall and goes on saying donald trump is intolerant. that's a 180. that's a 180. >> you can do this chapter and verse with donald trump all the way through from when he said he was very pro-choice about what he said about the clintons himself. >> no. he said he was pro-choice 17 years ago. i don't know what i thought 17 years ago. >> my question is do you think this guy fundamentally is just an incredibly good salesman who will say what he has to say in that moment to your think he actually has some corset of believes? >> he's not ha salesman. i'll give you an example. that's proof positive. it does not pander to the people but just calls it like it is and tells us his honest opinion.
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>> that is true, although he didn't say it at the time. >> chris, come on. >> a.j. delgado. thanks for coming on. that's "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. >> that was fun. evening. continueses dinner but i always felt his best joan that his best joke in all of those years was this one. >> of course,'ve after i've done all this, some folks still don't think i spend enough time with congress. why don't you get a drink with mitch mcconnell, they ask. really? whew don't you get a drink with mitch mcconnell. >> all in the dlirchry. arguably getting a drink w

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