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i find the political press to be unbelievably dishonest. >> the definition of irony here. he loves the media but says he hates it. the candidate who hates the media but tries to pretend like he doesn't. either way, when a candidate attacks the press, it's not news. it's what happens when the press does its job. please, my fellow colleagues, go listen to carly simon. the campaign is not about you and the voters. "with all due respect" starts right now. i'm john heilemann. >> i'm mark halperin. all those who thought they could come back late an miss donald trump's press conference. buckle up for a crazy summer. >> are you ready? this sleazy guy. you're a really beauty. >> criticizing your political -- >> jeff sessions. crazy bernie. gary johnson.
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lebron. trump university. that adds up to six million -- that is up to $5 million. here's the story. bob doyle is fan of man. don't tell me about bob doyle. >> it's indy time. we're here at the california primary. that's one week from today. everybody wants to know who is the independent candidate. the man being eyed by crystal is a conservative lawyer, writer and iraqi war veteran named david french. the big guessing game is -- he said would be a strong
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candidate. you talked to french and crystal late this afternoon. both declined to comment. french is a staff writer for the national review. he lives in tennessee with his wife and three kids. he says, he declined to comment. the two republican sources we talked to familiar with what crystal has not made a final decision, that's who he was talking about. john, he wrote about french in the current issue of the weekly standard kind of hiding him in plain sight. >> he did. you have this piece by crystal making the case and laying out a few of the more names like mitt romney and several others who might be independent candidates. we'll look at david french. it doesn't have to be someone famous. here is a guy who has been great servant and crystal's argument is as more americans come to know this guy, they will come to
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realize he will be a better president than donald trump or hillary clinton. that's a huge if. >> a will the of people will lookrevealing of this name and say who cares. they wanted someone who is famous. wealthy, and someone been in public office. >> like one strike, two strikes. >> this guy has never run for anything. he was very pleasant on the phone with us. i have to say he didn't seem like the kind of guy who wants to go head to head with donald trump on a daily basis. he's a constitutional lawyer. he has a lot of attributes if you were looking to say someone coming from center of the country to go up against the two new yorkers, he seems to fit. can he raise money?
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is he the guy? donald trump was asked at the press conference said if an independent candidate runs that hillary clinton will win. >> if they do an indy, assuming its decent, but what you're going to do is lose the election for the republicans and therefore you lose the supreme court. therefore you'll have a group of people on the supreme court where the country will never recover and never be the same. >> he said, assuming it's decent. is he the answer. is he someone decent enough to actually be a player. say he does absolute best he can, could he be player here. >> this is a black swan year.
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capture the imagination of millions of americans. it's not impossible. i think we all underestimate the degree of skill and stamina and charisma that's required to be a national figure in america. think are high level professionals at this guy. it will be very hard for a guy with no skill ever running for anything before, no skill in front of cameras or having in press conference. never hatd a rally. very hard. >> he would have to do well enough to get into the debates. >> i'm talking about could he stand on the same stage.
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people will start googling him now. if you're someone like mitt romney, you want someone to vote for that you're proud to vote for. you could be proud vo vote tr him. you could say this is a true conservative. he served in the military. is he someone who donald trump could be worried and meet with and say how do we react to the david french, no. this is for never trumpers who don't like the idea of sitting out the election, could never vote for trump or clinton, but don't want to sit out, want to cast a vote for someone, this guy or someone like him. that's not the one that will change. >> if you can't raise money, you might have to vote for him by writing him this.
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he's not lined up significant financial support. he hasn't decided to do it. that's who crystal was talking about. >> the bgary johnson and bill w are more likely to be a factor running on the libertarian line. two guys, one of them is almost a national figure. those guys are much more likely to have an effect on this outcome. >> i would say the the guy was undecided is he hadn't made a full commitment to run. the attention may make him decide, maybe, not worth doing. >> his life is about to turn a lot around now. as megyn kelly could say, let's talk about us. trump repeatedly insulted the members way more than usual even. trump objected to reporters who asked serious questions about how he raised and dispersed
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money for veterans. his tone was personal and caustic. >> the press should be ashamed of themselves. i think the media is, frankly, made up of people, in many cases, not in all cases, are not good people. the press is so dishonest and so unfair. i've watched you on television, you're a real beauty. the press is very dishonest. i don't like dishonesty like this sleazy guy over here from abc. he's a sleaze. >> i think you set a new bar today for being contentious to the press corp sort of calling us losers to our faces. >> not all of you, enough of you. not you daive. >> is it going to be like this covering you if you were
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president? >> yes. i find the press to be extremely dishonest. i find the political press to be unbelievably dishonest. >> here's two things that are true. trump has clearly benefitted throughout the republican nomination fight. he's mocked and belittled reporters. donald trump actually loves the press and courts them constantly. my question is, he's like a one man good cop, bad cop routine. he's being both cops. do you think that will work in a general election? >> i think he's now in a different phase. people are being more aggressive with him. they're not laughing at him and treating him as curiosity. there's a lot of people in the country who don't like the press. bernie sanders attacks the press almost as donald trump does. i think he will keep it up because it's what got him this far. i do think now that the clinton
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folks are hoping and the press should agree with the clinton people on this that he is held to a normal standard. not tougher. some criticized today, i think he may be right. in some cases i know he's right. the coverage of him is not all fair. we all need to cover all the candidate, tough, fair, relentless, skeptical and trump, if he behaves like this, will hurt his credibility with some. he'll continue to help himself. >> i think the way he treats the press is outlandish the things he does. republicans have done this for a long time especially the liberal outlets. >> no so much personal attacks with them sitting right there. >> it's ridiculous and outrageous on the things he does especially he kind of likes the press. i think that there's, the more important fact is that many people in our business have come to the conclusion that they gave trump a free ride through much
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of the republican nomination. they didn't challenge him. i think many of the press at the highest levels, not just reporters but people who run networks have said we went too far. we need to bring this back in line. i think he will get tougher coverage and less of a free ride. >> i agree. up next, hillary clinton and the e-mails part 4,000 or so. more on bill crystal's favorite choice to run as an independent after this. and multi-layered security. it's how you stay connected to each other and to your customers. with centurylink you get advanced technology solutions, including an industry leading broadband network, and cloud and hosting services - all with dedicated, responsive support. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner,
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if the campaign as it does, thinks it can essentially continue to offer the explanation it has already offered and sort of tough it out, not say new thing, not frame things in a different way, do you think the current posture is one that will solve the political problem this has caused for her. >> you know, they put out a statement by john over the weekend, secretary clinton is going to talk more about it. they believe that by not attacking the ig report, accepting its conclusions, her spokesman did an interview where he said you look at the things that are in the report. they have a bit more
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appreciation. it should be enough. i think this is a misunderstanding. this was not handled well and she's not owned up to what she did in a full way as required by a lot of people. >> i appreciate the job that bryan has and some of the other people in the campaign are trying to do here. the initial reaction is the take away most people got is the ig's report has exonerated us. it said our e-mail practices are standards. >> the same has colin powell. >> that was their initial response. it was scathing criticism. i agree with you. i do not think that's the case that they have done anything to alter the perception she's not gone as far as some would like
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her to go in acknowledging culpability and acknowledging the fact she did something genuinely unique and put sensitive documents in peril. >> there's a lot more coming up with that and the two interviews going on. when we come back, we'll talk to the bureau chief of the washington new york times. little miss muffet sat on a tuffet eating her curds and whey. along came a burglar who broke into her home and ransacked the place making off with several valuable tuffets. fortunately geico had recently helped her with homeowners insurance. she got full replacement on her tuffets. the burglar was later captured when he was spotted with whey on his face. call geico and see how much you could save on homeowners insurance.
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we have the pleasure to talk to the los angeles bureau chief of the new york times. we normally have to do it by satellite. this time we're in the same time zone. david french, what do you know? >> david french, i can't tell you i know a lot about him. he's running for president. >> maybe. >> possibly. >> maybe. >> you're saying in all your years of covering national politics, all the stuff you know, your knowledge, it's not like a household name. >> this is not a household name. >> i remember republicans talking about the french in 2004, but i don't think they were referring to david french. >> do you think someone who has never run for office, not famous, not a big personality,
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do you think that person like a perfect storm, could he be player in this race? >> this is probably as a perfect storm you might ask for. nobody seems to like the republican or democratic candidate. he's got enough problems getting on all the ballots. you could argue it's better to have no name recognition than negative recognition. i thought it would be somebody we all knew about or even others would know about. i can't say i know him. i'm disappointed. >> there was a lot of contention over gary johnson. gary johnson has run for president before. he's governor of a state running with another former governor of state. why is that not the vehicle to disruptive if you want to disrupt. why is that the more likely vehicle than someone big crystal
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is out cultivating. >> i agree. there's a third party candidate that's out there that will get some support. i covered donald trump when he ran for president. i think it was 2006. i grflew out to california with him. >> do you think he will react to the looming presence of david french? >> can i do that? >> a constitutional lawyer from tennessee will not -- >> i wonder, he should be worried about the libertarian candidate. he should be worried about that. that will take votes away tr him and put states into play that have not been into play. i don't think this will bother
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him very much. >> tell me where we are now in this state in the california democratic race. what's the -- >> the latest poll -- it's difficult race to poll because it's hard to tell not only how many independents can vote because they will say they vote, and they don't. it's hard to vote when you're an independent. the independents are supporting bernie sanders by two to one. we've had some polls showing it really close and some not. the best way to judge these kind of campaigns is watch what the candidates do. they're putting some money into the state. it's such an expensive state. it's a close race. the biggest thing is that here's hillary clinton's problem. everyone assumes she's won and they're not particularly enthusiastic about it.
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it's hard to get the voters out. the bernie sanders voters will come out. that's her challenge here. >> you're a long time student of the governor of this state. today he endorsed hillary clinton and in the scheme of endorsements, does that matter much? >> i normally think endorsements don't matter much. i think it does matter. he tends to -- he doesn't endorse very often. i think it's fair to say he endorses when he has a pretty good chance of winning. >> he's got a pretty rich history with the clintons. it would seem as your piece suggested he's part bernie sanders and part clinton. why do you think he decided to get into this contest the way he did? >> i really do think it's about he's downing on climate that i think. my gut says that's an issue he really cares about. trump said the drought isn't
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exist. i think it's really that simple. i think it's that simple for him. >> he was asked about whether he would be willing to be on the ticket with hillary clinton. talk about it from the clinton campaign point of view. why doesn't sanders make sense to put sanders on the ticket if you're hillary clinton? >> the only reason it doesn't matter sense if you get 150-year-old ticket. you want someone fresh and unexpected in this kind of contest. if i was this side brooklyn right now, i'd be considering him. i don't think it's a crazy idea.
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he doesn't seem to represent like a new generation. she's already got enough of an issue. >> poll in new jersey today shows trump within four points of clinton. people say it's an unpredictable year. you look at the poll and look at trump coming out. do you think trump could make hillary clinton work for new jersey, work for california? >> i think at the end of the day he can. i'm assuming that sanders will drop out of race and if history is any kind, and i realize it hasn't been once this this campaign. i think he will start sending his supporters over to here. it becomes a choice between hillary clinton and donald trump. a lot of people, democrat, sanders supporters have really problems with hillary clinton
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and issues like like climate change. >> he'll have to work no harder for california than barack obama. i cannot imagine her having trouble here in a general election. i would be surprised with that chris christie endorsements that he has that she shouldn't be strong there. >> clinton's veep stakes. who do you think has more at stake in terms of picking up politically in. >> i think probably hillary clinton because she needs to get people -- she needs to get the party united behind her in terms of issue. she needs to reassure the left or progressives or whatever you want to call them that she'll be there for them. >> you think trump's choice needs the perfect choice to get
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over the -- carry over the governing threshold? >> it's hard to figure out who is the perfect choice for him. he's such an unusual candidate with a lot of advantages. a general governor of some state, i guess a former president. >> if i were a presidential nominee, i would put you on my ticket. >> don't vet me. >> up next, can bernie sanders pull off a win in california. the strategists weigh in right after these words from our sponsors. nts, every time i drive. ...want my number? and cash back for driving safe. and the power to automatically find your car... i see you car! and i got the power to know who's coming and when if i break down. must be gerry. hey... in means getting more from your car insurance with the all-powerful drivewise app.
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joining us are two epic, democratic strategists. it's good to see you here in the flesh. gentlemen, how are you? >> good, how are you? >> we're great. tell us what you think right now. we have to ask you about this
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because the david french news rocking the political world. >> i thought republicans were allergic to all things french. i tweeted that out and somebody said if he changed his name to david freedom. i don't think this thing goes anywhere. it may take a few votes from trump in a few places, but i don't think it's a big deal. >> bill. >> i don't think it's a big deal. it's so hard to do this structurally. if you're unknown, it's really unbelievable. if you're not a self-funder, the whole secret to ross perot is he was willing to put his own money into the game. >> looking for someone rich, famous and political experience. the guy has none of them. what would have to happen within the realm, say he gets it. we're told he's not fully decided to get in. when he talked to him tonight, he didn't sound like a guy in the race. what would have to happen to
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make you say maybe there is something to this? >> i don't know. the bottom line threshold is his 15% to get in the national debates. >> say he went to the national press club or the washington monument and gave a fantastic speech. >> i don't think a speech will do it. you'll have to have some structural foundation with yourself. >> what if the koch brothers said this is our candidate. >> that would do it. >> he could become serious force. that force would be donald trump. >> they say that takes it. >> it's not. first of all, it's expensive to get that ballot access. >> why aren't the koch brothers going to do this for the libertarians? >> they might. there's some talk of that. >> hillary clinton, who i know both you have think will be the democratic nominee. why does it matter for hillary
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clinton to win california? why should she spend money here? would you advise her to be doing what she's doing? does this really matter? >> she's doing it for one of two reasons. some of the polls are not right that show it close and she doesn't want to lose and take the risk of limping her way to the nomination because she needs to momentum. she needs to sense she's taking over and the democrats should come home. she would like bernie sanders to get out and endorse her. number two, it may be that they think they can win by fairly substantial margin. that would be important to them. i, myself, think it's very close. if you look at the body language of both of these campaign, they think it's close. either of them could win. >> the truth is, bernie is really dug in here pretty deep. i never imagined presidential candidates going to places that
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aren't actually media markets, he's going and drawing huge crowds. all of that, he's dug in pretty deep. he has good advertising on there. he's got more of it. he's credited his own storm here. there are polls that suggest it's close and some that don't. what we really don't know is who will vote. it's not just the structural problem of independents. the ones that voted on election day don't really have a structural problem. it's just the ones that vote by mail. all these millennials who registered since the beginning of the year. are they going to wait till november to vote or vote on june 7th? >> i think a lot will vote on june 7th. a lot of the latinos will vote for hillary clinton. sanders has, bill's right, a great ad. it's a great california centric
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ad. he's already seen, in person like 138,000 or 140,000 people. he'll see about 250,000. what is that about a tenth of the votes he needs? >> yeah. >> that's amazing. no one's ever done that. >> your colleague friend, diane finestein was as aggressive as anybody has been trying to knowledge sanders out of race. do you expect more clinton people in saying you cannot spend the rest of june and into july campaigning. you need to start? >> she thinks this race ought to be over. it's just generally does. she's a numbers person. she looks at it and says enough already. she's willing to say that. she doesn't care about the consequences. >> do you think things like that
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make it more likely or less likely to get out? >> i think less likely. i think he has to do this on his own timetable. if he loses california, the pressure on himself may be to move toward ending the race. there's lots of ways to do this. reform the nominating process, accommodations in the platform. i think trying to push him out, i know diane has strong feelings and that's why she's doing it, i think the pressure to push him out is counter productive. >> i don't think he's going to be pushd out. if the old days, you ran out of money, you got out of the the race. he's not going to run out of money. he's can go through the convention. jerry brown stayed in to the
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convention. we've been through this before. they end up not being consequential. >> people talk. jimmy carter was going to lose in 1980. there were hostages in iran and the economy was in terrible shape. >> you could tell hillary clinton to consider putting bernie sanders on the ticket? >> consider, yes. >> but not do it? >> definitely consider bernie sanders. i think there's other people that would be better. >> elizabeth warren idea. >> i'm not so wild about that. >> we'll have to bring you back and talk about this again.
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thank you for that. up next, we'll talk trump. if you're watching in washington, d.c., you can listen to us on bloomberg 99.1 fm. we'll be right back. if a denture were to be put under a microscope, we can see all the bacteria that still exists. polident's unique micro clean formula works in just 3 minutes, killing 99.99% of odor causing bacteria. for a cleaner, fresher, brighter denture every day.
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joining us now is katie tour who covers donald trump. we're talking about david french who bill crystal was touting in that famous tweet over the weekend. you, like us, trying to figure it out, does me match your expectations? >> no. i was speaking to sources and they said bill crystal knows how to play a good game but they didn't expect it to be anything big. >> your assumption is this will not increase mr. trump's
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estimate of him as a potential foe. >> it's probably support that wasn't that die hard trump to begin with. it's not going to necessarily affect it too much. that's my very, very initial early assumption. >> let me ask you this question because trump reacted to crystal over the weekend on twitter. he said other things that suggested a serious, if you have a serious third party candidate that he would lose. why is it not a huge problem for him in. >> i'm not sure. maybe he hasn't had much exposure and doesn't understand what it could take away. if you look at the convention over the weekend, it's hard to take the libertarian candidates seriously in some ways because they their convention becomes such a side show. the reality is the libertarian candidate hasn't really been
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that important since ross perot. i don't think they see it as a threat. i think they see the race as very much a republican/democratic race and the real threat would be another conservative rising out of nowhere. somebody who has a little more recognition. >> the press conference, today, you have watched as long as as closely as any reporter how donald trump treats the media. was today different in the way he behaved or more of how it goes? >> i think we haven't seen a press concerns that contentious for six, seven months since back in the muslim ban days when i was being called little katy. in this press conference today he was angry. he was angry he was being forced
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to tell the public who he raised money for veterans for. he was angry he was being questioned and what's so surprising is this is a such a positive story for him. this is not a negative story that he needs to spin. i've raised this money. it was a few hiccups along the way, but here it is. a bunch of cash and it's good for the campaign and my public relations and appearance of supporting veterans. that's not the way it came off. it was very hostile. it made it clear that donald trump white house would be something where he would not feel like he would need to be held accountable. this is also very much part of his strategy. make sure that the press is not trustworthy. take aware their credibility. once they're not credible, any of the push back that i get from them, any of the fact checking i get is not threatening because nobody trusts them to begin with. >> i think it's fair to say that
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republican who is have done well in the national stage have been ones that managed to get better press conference. trump has gotten more favorable coverage than hillary clinton did. do you think this berating the press, if that continues, does he risk finally, at some point alienating the press. >> i think he did that already. it felt to me watching like a turning point in this campaign. a point where they will start pushing back harder. i think ever since he became the nominee, he's been getting much more critical press coverage than the primary. i think this is just the beginning of what will be a contentious battle. i think this could be the thing that backfires on him. it makes him look, even to those who likes him a lot, as somebody who cannot take what he gives out.
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>> the other big question is he got away, his team got away with trying to take out revenge who they didn't like. i think that is a lot harder to do as the nominee because there's so much scrutiny. >> absolutely. >> thank you. katy tur. we'll be right back. i had a wonderful time tonight. me too! call me tomorrow? i'm gonna send a vague text in a couple of days, that leaves you confused about my level of interest. i'll wait a full two days before responding. perfect! we're never gonna see each other again, will we? no-no. wouldn't it be great if everyone said what they meant? the citi double cash card does. it lets you earn double cash back. 1% when you buy and 1% as you pay. the citi double cash card. double means double.
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shoshow me more like this.e. show me "previously watched." what's recommended for me. x1 makes it easy to find what you love. call or go online and switch to x1. only with xfinity. joining now the host of pop politics on sirius xm. thanks for coming by. >> thanks for having me. >> donald trump has a history out here. in terms of endorsement, fund raising, we'll talk about the convention in a second, will he
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do better than your typical republic republican? >> he could do a little better. a large part would be who he picked as financial charirman. he's a private equity guy. he's financed quite a few films this hollywood. big, big film financier. really big connection with warner brother right now. he may be able to tap some money out here that maybe another republican wasn't able to. i don't think it will change the dynamics. i don't think you'll change the split. it's about 75%, 25% democrat to republicans.
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even tradition that will donors are waiting whether they will write a check to donald trump. the question of do i want to go public right now with my support for donald trump or do i want to wait until the fall when it probably is less risky. >> does some of them feel closer to him. he was the star of a prime time television show. does he have relationships or just based on that, does that help him with political support here? >> sure. he has relationships all over the place within the entertai m entertainment industry and sure enough at nbc. i don't think that will be quite enough to convince a long time democratic donor to all of saa sudden switch. >> you see republicans look at
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the democrats and envy their star power. president obama had every night big celebrities out there. will donald trump be able to do more than clint eastwood and an empty chair? >> he has promised he wants a more show bizy convention. to get someone who is totally unexpected, i think there's going to be a lot of skiddishness within the entertain industry even if you're privately supporting donald trump. if you're a celebrity or their handlers, you're looking at his rallies out here in california and every single one of them is met by these big protests outside. there's discord.
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a lot of celebrities like to play it safe. you mentioned clint eastwood, the last major celebrity sthoe to show up and look what happened with that. that was under much better circumstances. >> arnold schwarzenegger is pretty close with him. he said stay tuned for my endorsement. any reason to believe he won't be for trump? >> well, i suspect he's kind of waiting and seeing how this all transpires for trump-kasich. trump looks like a winner, there's no reason probably for him to endorse right now. maybe he's waiting for the convention to make this surprise appearance at the republican convention. i would be awfully surprised if schwarzenegger crossed lines and
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supported hillary clinton. he's probably just timing it. that was his indication to maximize the exposure and maybe get in a little plug for him hosting the apprentice, which will come up after the first of the year. >> democratic primary, republican primary a week away. bernie sanders has done to some people, surprisingly well, getting hollywood endorsements. he doesn't do fund raisers so we don't know he competes there. is there difference between the kind of celebrity for sanders and the kind for clinton? >> yes. a will the of names f-- lot of names with sanders have been for the hard left for while. sarandon was a big supporter of ralph nader. i don't think you'll look at the
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names and say i can't believe they're supporting him over hillary clinton. i also think it's funny, you have people like dick van dyke and appearing at rallies. >> older than the candidate. >> older than the candidate. i think it shows the breadth of the support. a group of them are going out and going by bus, traveling the state has celebrity surrogates. >> they've had a pretty effective celebrity surrogate. >> go back eight years. you went to any talent agency or studio. all anybody could talk about was obama, clinton and that race. is that going on right now in the hollywood community. are people talking about clinton
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versus sanders? >> people are. there's a lot of acrimony now. the clinton people are worried of the damage that sanders can do. the sanders people are defensive saying he has every right to stay in the race. clinton and obama split that in half. >> ted johnson, thanks so much. great to see you. we'll be right back. between you and life's beautiful moments. with flonase allergy relief, they wont. when we breathe in allergens, our bodies react by over producing six key inflammatory substances that cause our symptoms. most allergy pills only control one substance. flonase controls six.
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