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good morning, it's wednesday june 29th. >> with us on set, veteran columnist mike barnicle, john halman. fellow at the council on foreign relations and contributing editor at "the atlantic" and aman. this morning istanbul international airport has parlsy reopened following the suicide bombing that left at least 36 people dead, according to the country's prime minister. nearly 150 more are reported injured in what he is calling an attack by the islamic state. turkish officials say three attackers arrived at the airport
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in a cab last night. they then opened fire in and around the arrivals area using automatic weapons. police exchanged gunfire with the attackers before the explosives were detonated sending people running in panic. one man caught up in boston described the chaos. >> i was in there and people were shooting on one side and we all ran the other way and then the bombs went off and people were running the other way and more shooting. we came out and after that, i think there was another bomb. but not really sure. >> showing some of the attack and we warn you that the following videos are graphic. we have video captured on cctv footage on a compure that appears to show the moment of one of the explosions in what appears to be the lower level of the airport. nbc news has not independently confirmed it is the blast.
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another video appears to be a police officer shooting an attacker falling to the ground moments before detonating his explosives. the state department said it was determining if any victims were american. >> yeah, the pace seems to be quickening from ororlando to istanbul and before that, brussels and paris. what is your take on the latest attack? >> the attacking turkey at a fairly low place. probably could have pulled off more of this in the past. in the past, turkey has been in some ways kind of valuable. a pipeline for fighters. >> obviously, a lot for people that haven't really been following this for a while. a long-running dispute between the united states, the west and turkey about that pipeline and insistence that they do more to
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stop the flow of isis fighters into syria. >> that's right. turkey has been a conduit for fighters that are fighting against assad. >> did something happen that would have triggered this attack? a crackdown in turkey. >> that crackdown going on for roughly the last year and made the islamic state mad and turkey less valuable for them. so, they really stepped up and said, yeah, we're going to attack you and hit you hard in your most cause pallten center. >> mike? >> is it possible between turkey and israel may have played a part in this? >> that happened very recently. from what i can tell about this attack, three coordinated suicide bombers, not the kind of things you ramp up in a matter of a couple days. obviously, turkey and israel getting back together is not something that the islamic state
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likes or would support. but i don't think that they could ramp up an attack so fast that they would be the thing that made this one happen. >> you don't think? >> i dent think so, no. some airports around the u.s. are beefing up their security in the wake of the attack in iistanbiistanbul. putti putting, high, visible patrols. the agency added it is collaborating with federal, state and local law enforcement officials on security. meanwhile, passengers arriving at miami international airport tell nbc there that they noticed tighter security, as well. the attack on istanbul comes three months after the subway and airport attacks in brussels that left 32 dead and 300 injur injured. let's bring in retired executive assistant director of the fbi sean henry. sean, first of all, what do umake of the timing of the attacks and where they were
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carried out? anything stand out to you? >> no, i mean, clearly, this is an attack on a soft target. we know isis or other terrorist group what their intend is. inflict as much fear, harm, confusion into the civilian population. when we think about the security and people talk about asoft targets, why don't we put security further out outside the airport or maybe in the parking lots but the reality is you're just moving the soft target farther and farther away. at some point you're going to have a group of civilians all congregating around in an area unpredicted prior to people coming through the security area. that's where the vulnerability becomes. >> let's talk about the timing of the attack. two years of the date and also, obviously, attacks during ramadan have been suggested in the past. are we looking at possibly this
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attack yesterday commemorating the two-year anniversary? >> it's certainly possible. i'm not necessarily sure that isi operates with this certain degree of symbolism when it comes to specific dates. we do mention the leadership of isis is calling for stepped up attacks around the world because of ramadan. keep in mind more interesting, we are approaching the end of ramadan, which is one of the busiest travel seasons on the islamic calendar. so, the airports would have been extremely busy and security would have tight, and turkish officials tell me that they were actually anticipating something around this holiday season. this is similar to christmas and new year's for us. families are traveling and a lot of stepped up security. >> so what happens out here, many of us in the west, aman, would look at turkey as a state that has been moving more
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islamists over the past decade and moving away from the west. so, we would find turkey to be an interesting target. isis really don't see the gradual move. >> by no means does isis consider turkey as a symbol or islamic state it wants to represent. it does not believe in that version that the akp party are trying to implement their version of government. so, turkey has shifted away from what we traditionally thought of a western democracy and by no means is it going in the direction of countries, even saudi arabia or even countries that would make iran or in any way make isis feel or islamic law or any kind of islamic governance. >> sean, you were talking earlier about extending the ring of security further and further out from airports. istanbul a fairly large airport. >> isn't that the third busiest
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in the world? >> it is the third busiest in europe. >> in europe. >> third busiest in europe. at some point that becomes nearly impossible. at some point no place is truly secure against people, isis or whoever who want to do what happened yesterday. >> mike, i think you're right. i think the best way to prevent these types of attacks is you have to eliminate the threat. that requires more aggressive policing and certainly military actions, internationally to disrupt these organizations. as it relates to the united states here domestically and airport security, officers, security teams, et cetera, being more proactive and more aggressive in their searching are the types of ways you'll identify and disrupt some of these attacks but while this threat remains, we are going to be in sad shape here to ensure that we're able to detect and disrupt all attacks.
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>> all right, joining us from istanbul, nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel with the latest from there. rich snrd. >> good morning. i must say that this country, this airport, this city are being incredibly rezil yrnt this morning. the airport is back up and running. there have been some lights that were canceled but repair work is already under way. a steady steam of traffic and travelers going and coming from here. i saw people sitting in the coffee shops having their breakfast before getting on their flights and planes have been taking off and a very different scene from the one that we saw after the brussels attack where that airport was shut down for days. the airport here at istanbul is so important to the region and the hub for the region and this country clearly wanted to get it back up and running quickly. a little bit more detail about the attack itself, the prime minister said that isis, as we've been talking about this
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morning is the likely suspect. he said that the attackers arrived in taxi cabs. witnesses said they were dressed in black and they started opening firing and then detonating their suicide devices both at the curbside area around the arrival hall and then after those explosions. one of the attackers was able to get inside the arrival hall itself. the death toll still in the mid-30s, although those numbers have been fluctuating. >> richard, let me ask you. what is the reaction from the government and what was the reaction to papers what seems to be the reaction from the people? is it defiance, anger, fear? what are you picking up? >> the reaction from the government is one of resolve that they will take reaction to fight this. this is a global scourge that they need to be united. in touch with the kremlin this morning. turkey trying to bury the hatchet with russia. there have been very tense relations with russia over the
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last several months. also israel and turkey trying to improve their relations. so, turkey at the moment is trying to come out of the cold. turkey's relations with almost all of its neighbors and some of its close friends, including the united states have been very bad recently. and i think this attack could further prompt turkey tasay it cannot go it alone. it could not have adversaries inside the country and outside. but i must say people in this country have been bracing for this kind of attack. a specific intelligence warning that we reported on two weeks ago that isis had deployed more than 30 fighters from inside syria to specifically carry out attacks during the muslim holy month of ramadan. a senior official told us that this attack at the airport is very likely linked to that advance deployment of isis personnel that they were set
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here to stage attacks and the concern is ramadan is not over yet what we saw last night here may be the start of a wave of violence in the final days of this muslim holiday. >> nbc richard engel, thank you very much, both presumptive presidential nominees released statements in response tathe terror attack. hillary clinton said in part "the attack in istanbul only strengthensors resolve to defeat the forces of terrorism and the united states cannot retreat." part of donald trump's statement reads "our enemies are brutal and ruthless and will do anything to murder those who do not bend to their. we must take steps now to protect america from terrorists." here he is at a campaign rally last night. >> they said what do you think about waterboarding? i said, i like it a lot and i don't think it is tough enough.
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we have to be so strong. we have to fight so viciously and violently because we're dealing with violent people. vicious people. and, you know, they eat dinner like us. can you imagine them sitting around the table or wherever they're eating their dinner talking about the americans don't do waterboarding and yet, they probably think we're weak, we're stupid, we don't know what we're doing. we have no leadership. you know, you have to fight fire with fire. we have loaws. and the laws say you can't do this, you can't do that. you can't do a lot. their laws say you can do anything you want and the more vicious you are, the better. we can't do waterboarding, which it isn't the nicest thing but peanuts compared to other things. we can't do waterboarding. but they can do dropping off
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heads and they can do whatever they want to do. >> john, react to what you saw from hillary clinton and donald trump. >> look, i think the first thing to say is that we thought for a long time now that this is going to be an election where security is the dominant theme and as these terror attacks ramped up i'm sure you saw that story in the "l.a. times" which accounted all of april. 858 people killed in the month of april around the world. this is going to be, the dream beat, i think, now all the way through to november. you have both hillary clinton and donald trump are confident that their approach, politically on this issue, benefits them. trump, i'm the strong man. clinton, i'm the confident woman. i think for people who think that trump is a danger as commander in chief, those kinds of words will fuel people to make the criticism that the idea we should fight fire with fire and sink to the terrorists
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levels and somehow the moral sup superiority should be compromised in order to fight this battle. that will just fuel their sense that he's not equipped and i'm sure you'll hear secretary clinton make those arguments. for a lot of trump supporters, that posture, we'll do whatever it takes with no real considerations for international law and no considerations and that will be appealing to much of his base. >> i think that will be appealing beyond the base of many americans who you think that look at the numbers and supported drone war fare. the increase of drone war fare despite the civilians that were killed. it's when the united states sees itself under attack, you can go all the way back to dresden. and world war ii. and see that nuance is not always united states play. i am curious, though, how donald trump's words and now hillary clinton's words are read
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internationally and also by, let's say groups like isis. >> a group like isis is very happy to play the game. it's true they are laughing at us, but, of course, that doesn't mean we need to stoop to their level and if they want us to say that the united states -- >> do they see us as weak? >> they do. >> do they see us as osama bin laden saw us as a paper tiger to rough. >> a lot different from what bin laden saw. they see us us as simply, we don't have god on our side. if there is an all-out war and a fight between the united states and the islamic state, it's going to look really good for the islamic state. bring it on is their -- >> any suggestion that these attacks are increasing in speed because they're losing on the battleground? >> yeah, i think that has
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something to do with it. as aman mengdzed, the holy month of ramadan. isis thing physical you blow yourself up you get brownie points beyond what you get for the rest of the year. you should expect an uptick and that's exactly what we've seen. we'll bring you back in later this morning. still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> our politicians have aggressively pursued a policy of globalization, moving our jobs, our wealth and our factories to mexico and overseas. globalization is made the financial elite who donate to politicians very, very wealthy. i used to be one of them. hate to say it, but i used to be one. >> president obama isn't buying it. he says trump is tapping into fear and not populism.
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21 past the hour. joining us now, msnbc political correspondent casey hunt. in washington, senior political editor and white house correspondent for "the huffington post" sam stein. >> what do you think about donald trump's trade speech yesterday? >> sam found it funny. >> let me -- >> no, no, no, that was just me clearing my throat. >> in a sort of mocking way. >> well, let's take a look and then i'll tell you. donald trump returned to pennsylvania steel country to speak out against the globalism vowing economic independence with a plan that would withdraw the u.s. from the transpacific
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partnership and we withdraw from nafta and impose new tariffs and taxes to punish bad behavior. trump took direct aim at the global financial elite claiming hillarylinton would protect the status quo and continue the total betrayal of american workers. >> hillary clinton and her campaign of fear will spread the lie that these actions will start a trade war. you already have a trade war and we're losing badly. badly. she has it completely backward. hillary clinton unleashed a trade war against the american worker when she supported one terrible deal after another from nafta to china to south korea. it doesn't matter. no matter where she went, the american worker was hurt. >> so, john, what was your take on this speech? the trump speech? >> it's a fascinating thing. not just the speech, but the
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clinton response to it that i found interesting. we can talk about the economics of this and talk about the politics of it. we now have a race unlike any presidential race in our lifetimes. where you have one candidate in donald trump who is an out front protectionist and arguing for, i think you can say this without any shading. he's basically saying i want to go back to a world before globalization. a set of policies that the united states have adopted, but also just a phenomenon in the world that can't be stopped. so, he's trying to roll back globalization and saying, i want to throw up a whole bunch of trade measures. >> sounds just like the critics of brexit. >> it has taken an incredible amount of the rhetoric in that speech from the leave campaign. it's like it's the same, he's really ripped a page. that's all consistent with stuff he said before but echoing stuff that has the global residence. the fcinating thing to me the
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way the clinton campaign reacted to that beyond all her talk in denver yesterday and the press releases and the things she put out she said it first. he's echoing her. she was pushed to the left on the trade issue by sanders. he's way out on the protectionist limb and she's not making a defense of globalization, she's basically saying, i'm a kinder, gentler version of what trump wants to do in terms of the global economy. >> which is horrible. >> you basically have two candidates lining up in various ways on the protectionist end of the scale. >> got it. >> other than what the clinton people used to say. >> casey, let's look at the response. just take it in there for a landing and stop. the clinton campaign also put forth u.s. senator and possible vice presidential candidate who ran through a list of trump's products sold in the united states but manufactured overseas.
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>> you ask why he makes his suits in china. trump says he has no choice because they don't even make the stuff here. not true. i'm wearing a suit today made proudly by union workers in brooklyn, ohio. about seven miles from my house. we know just in my state alone where donald trump could have gone to make these things. >> trump's speech also came under criticism from an unlikely pairing. both the u.s. chamber of commerce who treated under trump's plans we could see fewer jobs and a weaker economy. and the president of the aflcio. if donald trump policies look anything like his business policies, working people will be collecting pink slips instead of pay checks. trump carried his tough message on trade into ohio last night. going off teleprompter and hard to describe the pending deal in asia. >> the transpacific partnership is another disaster done and
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pushed by special interests who want to rape our country to continuing, that's what it is, too. it is a rape of our country. this is done by wealthy people that want to take advantage of us and that want to sign another partnership. >> some extraordinarily harsh langua language. but he brings up ttp, something that hillary clinton once called the gold standard of trade deals. >> something she's still coming under pressure from. bernie sanders in a sign that i think some of the negotiations in those two camps are a little bit in a bad spot the democratic party in the platform should accuse ttp and that would put the party at odds with the president of the united states who is still the leader of the democratic party. putting pressure on hillary clinton on trade. to your point earlier, yes, all their messaging and rhetoric, their press releases and everything said one thing. when you listen to her, she was on stage out in california with
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digital entrepreneurs and innovators and she essentially said to them, you know what, we can't go back. you're essentially getting all these promises from people who can't actually take you back to the place where you maybe want to go. so, i think she still feels pretty strongly. remember this was her husband who passed nafta and did all these things. >> sam stein has been a free trader. up until this presidential race. and how extraordinary that we have a republican who is blowing up the free trade, but it's basically been the hallmark of both parties on trade policy for the past 30, 40 years. you've got a democrat that is going to be the defender of the status quo. >> yeah, i mean, usually in elections, democrats tend to be skeptical of free trade and then when the election is over, they sort of lose that skepticism and that's what happened essentially in 2008 with hillary clinton and barack obama. now, we're seeing with daonald
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trump being the most skeptical one of the bunch. donald trump getting push back is really remarkable. where does the chamber go for a candidate here? the other thing that we should be watching for, i think in the coming months is -- >> that is actually the answer. the chamber goes to hillary. i don't know ever publicly endorse him. there is no doubt on trade issues like this. >> it's a huge issue for the chamber. >> maybe go to the senate candidates. here's the thing, if you're rob portman on this week, you have been associated with free trade deals, much more than hillary clinton, for instance. you have your own presidential candidate echoing what is essentially the position of your primary opponent. it puts you in a bit of a bind, i think. >> john highland yesterday we had dave brad on, of course, who beat, who did he beat? >> eric cantor.
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>> he came on yesterday. and basically said that paul ryan was out of touch. i'm not sure if we're talking about trade or what issues we're talking about. but on this populous. on these populous issues. the republicans are really finding themselves torn apart by what trump says. >> the idea that paul ryan is, i mean, if you listened to what trump said. in favor of ra-- i use ryan as stand in. >> you know, for a decade and a half, though, politicians on both sides of the aisle. democrats and republicans has completely dropped their duty when it comes to the american worker. globalization, globalization is something that's been out there for 10, 15, 20 years. it's coming. we can't stop it. you can make a strong argument, a strong argument that nafta,
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tpp, lost more jobs because of technology than because of trade deals. >> right. >> we haven't done anything for the american worker in terms of retraining, really, practically. we just skipped over retraining them. we still make steel in this country. you can go out to the valley in pittsburgh. now they employ maybe 150 or 200 because of technology. that's what the politicians have missed. >> you look, wisconsin, michigan, ohio, pennsylvania, you talked about the rust belt before and maybe donald trump does not have to get 25% or 30% of the hispanic vote if some of these rust belts from the democrats. i know a lot of people mocked trump yesterday during that speech. but when i heard that speech i heard something that was going to shake up the board in a big way. >> look, you look at a state like ohio, though.
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it's such an interesting thing. again, as sam pointed out. you have ohio which is represented by sheriff brown and rob portman. the ultimate purple state. it's not clear. sheriff brown, pretty much a protectionist and the state is represented by those two and it's not clear that one of those is the right course. but absolutely the knife edge for this campaign. >> casey alluded to it, but hillary clinton is trying to tap into understanding why trump has a draw. and putting she's trying to sort of kind of understand the people that are following trump so vehemently. >> if you think about for the clintons, right, they almost have to unlearn every lesson that they learned in the '90s when bill clinton was trying to take the democratic party to the right and put it into the center and make it more main stream and did that by appealing to
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business interests and making democrats more friendly to big business. one of my first jobs in journalism was covering labor and cover them tweet the same thing on the same day is a little bit head spinning to me. but that's kind of the adjustment that she's going to have to make here. i think you're right. that's what i saw on the campaign trail every day with bernie sanders. you know, it's not just trump supporters but independent voters. a lot of democrats and a lot of young people who don't see a future. >> what about bernie supporters? trade has been the knife's edge for the primary. >> yeah. >> not just the primary, joe. an op-ed in "new york times" where he basically echos to a lesser dramatic degree than trump. but he echoes basically the same thing about national multi-corprations to be responsible for income inequality.
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he does not mention two words. hillary or clinton. this is a problem for hillary clinton going forward. still ahead, bernie sanders is still running for president as sam point outed and also moonlighting as the op-ed columnist. "morning joe" is back in a moment with that. i drive a golf ball. i drive to the hoop. i drive a racecar. i have a driver. his name is carl. but that's not what we all have in common. we talked to our doctors about treatment with xarelto®. xarelto® is proven to treat and help reduce the risk of dvt and pe blood clots. xarelto® is also proven to reduce the risk of stroke in people with afib, not caused by a heart valve problem. for people with afib currently well managed on warfarin, there is limited information on how xarelto® and warfarin compare in reducing the risk of stroke. you know, taking warfarin, i had to deal with that blood testing routine. i couldn't have a healthy salad whenever i wanted. i found another way. yeah, treatment with xarelto®. hey, safety first. like all blood thinners, don't stop taking xarelto® without talking to your doctor, as this may increase your risk of a blood clot or stroke.
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new poll for the race of the white house has the race tied. the quinnipiac has hillary clinton at 42% and donald trump and inside the margin of error. the race is still tie would major third party candidates included. trump at 37 with libertarian gary johnson at 8% and joe stein at 4%. when splitting the voters by race. while black voters choose clinton 91-1% as hispanic voters also choose clinton, 50 to 33% for trump. >> that 33% pretty interesting for hispanics. 1%, obviously, nu lly nothing t home about. 33%, though, a good bit higher than mitt romney. >> amazing in the sense that it would be, if that held and she got all the rest of the hispanic
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vote. mitt romney and john mccain. >> the q poll shows the gender gap is near equal with women 50% to 33% in favor of clinton while trump leads the male vote 47 to 34. >> women vote more often than men. so, clearly. >> well, yeah, responsible, we show up. things like that. >> i think this poll probably is a little, shows things tighter than where they probably are. i think we've seen that as a trend in some of the q polls that come out. but that said, i do think there's been over the last couple of weeks this sense that there is an inevitable trajectory that clinton was pulling out ahead of donald trump and he had no way to catch up. i think even the clinton campaign will say, you know, hold the phone, this is going to be a close election no matter what. and i think you've seen just look at how donald trump responded in the wake in the terrible attacks of istanbul. so very different how he
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responded in the wake of what happened here in orlando. very clear that they are moving in a different direction. to the point that i'm getting fund-raising e-mails that say, oh, look, daonald trump is building a campaign. sorry. >> had clinton way ahead and nbc poll that had it much closer and people debating back and forth and sampling. is it not a general feeling that trump has tightened things up a bit over the past week? >> i think, maybe. the big blessing is that we should not lose our collective minds over one single poll whether it shows clinton far, far ahead. the average distance behind these polls shows something like five to six percentage points. these things are just snapshots and we need to sit back and not go crazy. i would say, i would be very surprised if donald trump remained at 33% of the hispanic vote.
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mitt romney at 27% and he did very little in the same behavior towards -- if he has 33% then this is, indeed, an election that can be won by donald trump. i don't think anyone is debating that. >> there's a weird appeal that can't be explained, i think. that trump has and yesterday we talked about poll results about who told the truth more or who was and it was trump that won that poll and i think there is an acceptance that people have of him that they don't apply that. >> sort of tell it like it is. you hear it in focus groups. he tells it like he is. >> i know he's lying and i don't care because he's kind of honest about it. that doesn't make any sense, but it does to me, knowing him. >> if you listen to him, even in the brief clips that we play. if you listen to him and more specifically if you listen to people who are inclined to donald trump, a lot of fear out
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there in the country. this fear of the other. this fear of the future. this fear of tomorrow. the headlines today. >> right. >> and he addresses it, those nativests internal feelings much better than hillary clinton. >> look over the last 24 hours. you had a trade speech where he blew up the existing economic order that's run this country for the past 25, 30 years with the trade speech that was protectionist, far more protectionist than any republican in washington would dare say and most democrats and then you look, you look at what he did regarding the terror attacks in istanbul. and, you know, we talked waterboarding three or four times. i don't think general hayden. i know general hayden is already say figure you want to waterboard somebody, a politician can do it themselves. we're done in that business. it's tough talk, tough talk. to have any impact or not is
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something that most, certainly most elites and most policy analysts would suggest not. up next, first an economic shock wave in the uk and now a terror attack in turkey. president of breaks down the big challenges ahead for that part of the world and here at home. and two very interesting op-eds this morning. one from bernie sanders. the other from henry kissinger. "morning joe" will be right back.
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>> we had another suicide bombing istanbul, turkey. many, many people killed. many, many people injured. folks, there's something going on that's really, really bad. all right. it's bad. and we better get smart and we better get tough. or we're not going to have much of a country left. >> the istanbul governor's office just updated the death
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tol from the airport bombing attack. that number now stands at 41 with nearly 240 people hurt. 240. turkey's prime minister is blaming isis for the attack, but that group has not taken responsibility for the violence. joining us now, president and founder of the eur asia group. >> ian, what should we be doing right now with turkey? >> you know, i was with the deputy prime minister yesterday, believe it or not. he was feeling pretty good. they finally had this willingness to apologize to the russians. they had this breakthrough and normalizations with the israelis and he feels like they're going to get a peace deal in cypress and now, yet, another terrorist event. they're just not able to deal with this. 2.5 million refugees on the ground with turkey. a budding civil war with the curds and isis. the geopolitics of turkey is probably the worst of any major economy in the world. >> and they've actually gone out
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of their way to offend just about everybody, have they not? turkey. >> you talk to any american official who is the closer ally of ours in fighting the war. nato or turkey. they all say russia. and it's because the turks at the end of the day have their own geopolitical interest and pretty brutal leader. he's not willing to back down. >> closer ally. at end the of the darx putin is a guy more willing to, let's say -- >> let's talk about brexit. bernie sanders writes in "new york times" a piece entitled "democrats need to wake up." . surprise, surprise, workers in britain many who have seen a decline and very rich in their country become much richer have turned their backs on the european union and the globalized economy that is fw
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failing them and their children. not just the british who is suffering. the notion that donald trump could benefit from the same forces that gave the lead proponents and majority in britain should sound an alarm for the democratic party in the united states. millions of american voters like the supporters are understandably angry and frustrated by the economic forces that are destroying the middle class. in this pivotal moment, the democratic party and a new democratic president need to make clear that we understand what those who are struggling and who have been left behind. and then another one from henry kissinger. >> it's the point that you'd expect bernie to make that is, hey, guys, see what's going on? i'm relevant to you. hillary, you make sure you do what i want. you need our supporters otherwise you're going to go the way that cameron and company just did. look, europe has not been an attractive thing to be a part of. the reason you got this vote is
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not because people really thought they would be better off, because the social people with the people is fundamentally broken in the uk. you have palestinians throwing rocks and people voting for brexit. those are the same thing at some level. >> cameron yesterday in the heated meeting, heated discussions talked about how immigration, eu's failure to tackle immigration was one of the great causes. >> self-serving. sure it is. at the same day, most people were voting to throw the bums out and cameron was seen as bum number one. they do not trust the leaders in that country. >> you don't think immigration was a key issue. >> of course it was a key issue. and the economy was a key issue. of course, it's the hollowing out the fact that the average brit does not see any opportunity for them. no matter what i vote for, it cannot be worse than what i have right now. at least i could get rid of these guys. cameron can blame immigration and immigration is fine.
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if he doesn't take personal responsibility for this, this doesn't get better. what i see across the board elites on the left and right saying these guys are stupid and they're not saying that we allowed this to happen over decades. they're not taking responsibility. >> when the show started nine years ago, we had my dad on and he said these things that sounded so strange. but he said in this disparity and income inequality will create such anger that it will take over the future of the country, might even cause rioting and we were all like, what? what are you talking about? >> the worry that i really have here is both of the issues you're asking about, brexit and turkey, all the major stresses are hitting europe. the greek crisis is coming for europe. the rise of populism. >> why does europe want to be part of that? >> that's right. as i said, i quoted. queen of england read i think in a tina brown story. everybody who is talking how
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foolish isis is and asked her dinner guests, give me three good reasons why we should remain in europe. >> you'd say things like banks and jobs and stability. but in five or ten years' time, five or ten years' time, uk's position in europe that they stayed in wasn't going to be better. >> wasn't going to be better and they have a chance, i'm sorry y think they have a chance to find a better way forward. all these crises that are hitting europe at the same time. >> i'm sympathetic to that. if you look at the way the europeans and negotiate a crisis, that's when they wanted to stay in. you think the europeans will do a better job negotiating what their relationship with britain is going to be like. years before you have the possibility. >> henry kissinger writes in "wall street journal" a disant grating europe shrivel the
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entire and the status that ranges with europe is an essential element in this design. its history and emotion and current necessity requires, as well, a link to europe. the brexit vote has unleashed the anxieties of two continents and the needed restoration of faith will not come through recriminations to inspire the confidence of the world, europe and america must demonstrate confidence in themselves. >> the world was far different 68 years ago than it is today. one of the glaring discrepancies from 68 years ago, 20 years ago, you were just talking about it, you can look at the elites in this country. you can look at the elites in europe. they lead different lives. they go untouched by the political, cultural and economic
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forces that damage and disrupt ordinary people's lives. it's just a fact of life. that's why people are so angry. that's why people vote for brexit. some people are inclined to vote for trump. without ever really thinking, what would be the reaction. >> the elites, the media, the ruling class. caught flat footed with trump just like they got caught flat footed with brexit. after brexit passed, what do they do? write articles attacking the fools that voted for trump and voted for brexit. instead, as ian said, okay, what responsibility do we take in this over the last 30 to 40 years? >> the depth of feeling and across the pond of wanting to give a big middle finger to experts can't be overstated. >> thank you very much for being on this morning. >> good to be with you guys. we're following the latest
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out of turkey after yesterday's terror attack at one of the busiest airports in europe. ahead, senator elizabeth warren explains how she can stand on the stage in support of hillary clinton when she was strongly criticizing her a few years ago. all that straight ahead on "morning joe." ♪ americans are buying more and more of everything online. and so many businesses rely on the us postal service to get it there. because when you ship with us, your business becomes our business. that's why we make more ecommerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. the us postal service. priority: you you can use whipped topping made ...but real joyful moments.. are shared over the real cream in reddi-wip. ♪ reddi-wip. share the joy.
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welcome back to "morning joe." what are you doing? >> meacham's here. >> doesn't really help us. >> i think there's some issues. >> it's a gut feeling. someone sits down. you just know. >> issues where you just thrash out. >> oh, we have issues. all right, we us we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle
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and john halman. how are you going to do this? you focused? >> going to bring it in for a landing. >> very thoughtful. >> pulling a biden. >> i'm demonstrating my discipline right now. >> we also have msnbc correspondent aman and sam stein. joining the conversation john meacham and columnist and associated editor for "washington post" david ignatius. >> let's get to the news. >> i wanted is to start really quickly with aman. i was struck by what ian brimmer said on set a few minutes ago and what we've been hearing around the table this morning. that turkey actually is less of an ally. most people consider them to be a poorer ally to the united
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states in the fight against isis than even putin and russia. they are becoming increasingly isolated across the world. >> yeah, i mean, there's definitely a difference when it comes to policies in the region between the united states and turkey. perhaps the number one is that turkey has always seen the syria conflict through the desire to topple the assad regime. by extension, has allowed foreign fighters and allowed anyone who would go into syria to fight against the assad regime through its country, through its border. that is one of the main reasons because several years ago the u.s. and the west were ringing the alarm bells saying you have to put an end to the flow of people coming there and the turks simply said, no. at this stage it was in their interest to go into syria and fight the assad regime. what has happened is what we have seen with the rise of isis a lot turning their sights on turkey and going back and carrying out these attacks. it's important to emphasize in
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the last year and a half turkey has shifted its policy and allows u.s. airplanes to bomb syria and bomb iraq. it's shifting their policy when they realize this is not the smartest approach. >> the very airport that was attacked yesterday, although isis hasn't taken credit for it. we expect that isis was the funnel for so many isis fighters from coming around the u.s. and around the world go to istanbul airport and then cross the border and go to war with isis. >> this morning that airport has partially reopened following the suicide bombings that left at least 41 people dead, according to istanbul's governor's office. 239 more are reported and what the turkey's prime minister is calling an attack. three attackers arrived at the airport in a cab last night and then opened fire in and around
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the arrivals area of the main terminal using automatic weapons. police exchanged gunfire with the attackers before the explosives were detonated, sending people running in a panic. footage has emerged showing some of the attack and we want to warn you that the following videos are graphic. we have video captured on cctv on a computer that appears to show the moment of one of the explosions. what appears to be the lower level of the airport. nbc news has not independently confirmed it is the blast. another video shows what appears to be a police officer shooting one of the attackers who then falls to the ground before detonating his explosives moments later. the white house condemned the blast as a heinous, terrorist attack. the state department said it was determining if any victims were american. >> david ignatius, you were reporting from turkey not so long ago. tell us, tell us about the position that the turkish government finds itself in.
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isolated it once, but now, obviously, more actively at war with isis. a group that had actually allowed to use its border for quite some time to have foreign fighters go over and join the battle. >> joe, i saw two things on this trip that i think would be important for your viewers. the first is, i saw a squadron of attack planes based at a turkish air base in southeastern turkey taking off to attack the isis targets in their capital of rocca. in the areas they control in northern syria. so, everyday these planes have been operating in support of our war against isis. the second thing i saw was u.s. commanders telling the turks, this border has got to be closed. and within a few days after we had left, u.s.-led forces launched an offensive just south
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of the turkish border closing that border, in effect. attacking a town. i'm told that president obama said to the turkish president, we have been asking you to do this for two years and you haven't done it. now we're going to go ahead and dait ourselves. so, in that sense, isis has really take an blow in the last month from the u.s.-led forces with turkish ecweessence. they have been striking back at the country that has been their key conduit for bringing fighters and money and all sort of equipment. into the battlefield of jihad. >> david, i was going to ask you exactly that. a plausible scenario over the next year, two years where these attacks become fewer and farther
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between? >> i think we're in for a period when attacks actually become more regular and more dispersed. the one positive note i would take from what's happened over the last 24 hours, as grisly as it is, the statements have talked about solidarity. we're all in this fight against terrorism together and we're counting on our western allies. he could have said, we blame you for this terrible thing that happened to turkey. we warned that fighting these islamists would bring unrule to our country. instead, he seems to be reacting the opposite way and finding common cause. to be honest, to have the grieving people today after a terrible terrorist attack currently by isis the muslims in turkey says the basic point that so many people have been trying to make, which is that muslims are targets of this violence as
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much as they are perpetrators. that echoes here in our debate in the u.s. and the european political debate and, again, look at the statement and you see, i think, an effort to find solidarity, not an effort to isolate himself. >> which, david, is quite a change, isn't it? hasn't he over the past five years worked, overtime to offend, to isolate and set turkey on a separate course? >> joe, he has been playing a super dangerous game leaving that border open so that tens of thousands of foreign fighters could cross through has been the riskiest game possible. as the bombs begin to go off in turkey, people warned them. mr. president, this is dangerous for us. one thing it will do is empower the turkish military, which is a strong military trend with nato and turkish security forces to take a stronger line. talking to the white house last
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night, they stress one thing that is important coming out of this is that as much intelligence information as the u.s. and its allies can get working with turkey to go after this threat that is crucial. >> both presumptive presidential nominees released statements. hillary clinton said in part, "the attack in istanbul only strengthens our resolve to defeat the forces of terrorism and radical. part of donald trump's statement reads part like this "our enemies are brutal and ruthless and will do anything to murder those who do not bend to their will. we must do everything in our power to improve security to keep america safe." here he is at a campaign rally last night. >> they said, what do you think about waterboarding? i said, i like it a lot and i don't think it's tough enough. we have to be so strong.
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we have to fight so viciously and violently because we're dealing with violent people. vicious people. and, you know, they eat dinner like us. can you imagine them sitting around the table or wherever they're eating their dinner talking about the americans don't do waterboarding and yet, they probably think we're weak, we're stupid, we don't know what we're doing. we have no leadership. you know, you have to fight fire with fire. we have loss. the laws say you can't do this, you can't do that. you can't do a lot. their laws say you can do anything you want. and the more vicious you are, the better. we can't do waterboarding, which is not the nicest thing, but it's peanuts compared to many alternatives, right? we can't do waterboarding, but they can do chopping off heads, drowning people in steel cages.
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they can do whatever they want to do. >> you know, mike, after paris, donald trump did get a big bump in the polls because people were contrasting his words to barack obama's. he is now running against hillary clinton who is putting out tough statements, as well, saying we have to defeat and destroy. i don't think she said this time islamic radicals. i think she said jihadist radicals. after orlando it did not pack the same punch. not as much space between hillary clinton and donald trump as there was between donald trump and barack obama in the fall. >> a huge amount of space and donald trump was basically saying, we have to continue to do waterboarding. >> what i'm talking about the determination to defeat isis. before he had, he was matching, you know, rhetorically with the president who seemed lost.
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>> you're right. hillary clinton does not seem lost. i mean, she was robert gates' closest ally inside obama white house. >> i think one of the more interesting nuggets of this back and forth between hillary clinton and donald trump, whatever they say about terrorist attacks yesterday, whether it's something that will occur in the future is what is going to happen to donald trump's rhetoric, his point of view, what he says publicly on political stages throughout the rest of the campaign. once he begins getting the partial intelligence briefing. will that change his language, his behavior, his thought process? once he receives a partial intelligence briefing. whoa. we're doing that. >> could change in both directions. you never know with trump. could moderate his rhetoric or inflame it. >> what was your take on trump yesterday? it's worked in the past for him before, politically. >> no doubt that hillary clinton
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is to barack obama's right on security matters. i think you're right on the sense that where trump is with the democrat he's contrasting with is smaller. i do think that she will, she will preach the gospel of engagement with the world and the importance of american leadership and american moral superiority following the rule of law, et cetera. i think that will play to her, the argument that she wants to make that he's unfit to be commander in chief. for a lot of people in the country, we've seen this with trump over and over again. the strong man posture he has will be effective. certainly with his base it will be. but his argument, basically, we have to get down in the mud with the terrorists. for some set of voters in the united states, probably very appealing. >> you see this both in the globalization, the trade debate, the terror debate where the democrats tend to seem to win the intellectual argument and trump walks away with the
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emotional argument. so, to some extent, the drama of the next four, five months. is it the head or the gut. >> i think you're absolutely right. but with donald trump, the way he speaks and to his base, as you point out, he wants to jack it up. he wants to really go after the terrorists. guess what, folks. it's going to be your kids who are going. it's not going to be the sons and daughters of the elites that are going. it's going to be your kids going from youngstown and parma and that's what's going to happen. >> we talked, mika, over the past several weeks about donald trump speaking to his republican base and not the rest of the country. what he said yesterday after the terror attack doesn't just speak to his republican base. >> no, i don't think it does. but looking forward, sometimes you have to look back and see what got us here. let's bring us now from washington, nbc news national security analyst and former head of the national counterterrorism center under presidents bush and obama. now with the national security
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company michael leiter. so, let's talk about that. we find ourselves now at a point where this is a weekly international event. >> mika, it's become a huge challenge across western europe and into the united states. you know, i hate to try to connect things which seem unconnected, but, you know, you look back at the news of last week on brexit. all motivated in many ways or significant ways by the instability that has come out of iraq and syria. and the inability for our western europe and certainly the turks to provide effective security at this point is causing political. trying to stop the war on defense is extremely problematic. >> michael -- i'm sorry. i was just going to actually say. enough people have not connected the dots of our failure to
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internationally resolve the crisis in syria several years ago continues to haunt us every day. in syria, in iraq, in jordan, across the middle east, in america. now, of course, in europe. and turkey. >> joe, i really agree. and it's not that it was ever going to be easy. we were stuck with some very, very hard choices going back several years. and going back to the bush administration. this is a tough fight with a determined enemy. but, in my view, pulling back rather than deep engagement really was not going to be an effective counterterrorism tactic and, more broadly, it was not a good tactic for regional stability and that regional stability has bubbled up. turkey has been a critical ally on many fronts. it is still a critical ally of nato and we had to work very hard with the turks over the past several years to get them more focused on isis to actually
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get them to stop the flow of fighters. but it was a little bit too little and it was too late and now, unfortunately, turkey, belgium, paris, we are reaping some of what we have sewn. >> michael, what was it in terms of the pyramid of syria, turkey and iraq, what role did pulling back from crossing the red line two summers ago play in what's happening now? >> well, you know, mike, it is hard to say that it had a direct link back to motivating isis. but i think it did two things. first of all, still a moment at the red line and really even before that where the french and the british wanted us, the united states, to get more involved in iraq and syria and we hesitated. i think that was problematic. that was a period where putrays a and hillary clinton and others were pushing to do more. the second thing is it did make
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the allies in our region question the commitment. that is very problematic. as everyone has said, this just can't be a u.s. fight. this has to be a deep, deep fight with the turks. and when the u.s. says it's going to do something and then it hesitates, unfortunately, it reinforces a narrative which rings true in the ears of some of our allies. >> and aman, that's something that mika and i have heard from diplomats across the middle east and the gulf region and across europe. that they don't belie the united states is good on its word. so, why should they put skin in the game in the fight against isis if they think we're not going to show up? are we going to leave them left holding, you know, holding the bag? >> the u.s. wanted arab countries to participate in this anti-isis coalition and many
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arab countries i speak to say they're not going to do it unless the u.s. takes the lead and really drives this home. we talk about that red line debate that took place in the u.s. and united kingdom two years ago. one thing that was a turning point right after that is that you saw a sudden spike in the presence of hezbollah. iran saw at the same time this was its opportunity to put skin in the game and double down on the assad regime. so, what it did was by the u.s. and uk and others not going in after that red line, then we saw iran and the rise of hezbollah and that brought everybody in syria during the civil war and a lot of the gulf countries who wanted to see u.s. involvement take a front row seat say they're not going to go up against hezbollah and iran alone and not do it without more resources in the fight, so to speak. >> all right, aman, thank you very much. michael leiter, thank you, as well. still ahead, mike mccaul
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will be our guest. plus, donald trump takes aim at hillary clinton during a speak about trade and uses some harsh language about the trade deal itself. more with david ignatius on that ahead. nated oil... ...but real joyful moments are shared over the real cream in reddi-wip. ♪ reddi-wip. share the joy.
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>> what is absolutely true is that the ability to tap into a fear that people may have about losing control and to offer some sort of vague nostalgic feelings about how we'll make britain great again or make america great again and the subtext for that somehow is that a bunch of foreigners and funny-looking people are coming in here and changing the basic character of the nation. i think that some of that is out there. >> president obama speaking with npr yesterday rejected any claim
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donald trump makes to representing the working class. meanwhile, pennsylvania returned to pennsylvania steel company yesterday to speak out against the globalism vowing economic independence with a plan that would withdraw the u.s. from the transpacific partnership, renegotiate or withdraw from nafta, label china a curancy manipulator and impose new tear rfs and taxes for bad behavior. trump took direct aim claiming hillary clinton would protect the status quo and continue the total betrayal of american workers. >> our politicians have aggressively pursued a policy of globalization, moving our jobs, our welt and our factories to mexico and overseas. globalization is made the financial elite who donate to politicians very, very wealthy. i used to be one of them. hate to say it, but i used to be
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one. hillary clinton and her campaign of fear will try to spread the lie that these actions will start a trade war. we already have a trade war and we're losing badly, badly. she has it completely backwards. hillary clinton unleashed a trade war against the american worker when she supported one terrible deal after another. from nafta to china to south korea. it doesn't matter, no matter where she went, the american worker was hurt. >> the transpacific partnership is another disaster. done and pushed by special interests who want to rape our country just to continuing rape of our country. that's what it is, too. it's a harsh word. it's a rape of our country. this is done by wealthy people that want to take advantage of us and want to assign another
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partnership. >> david, not a coincidence that the speech last night was in ohio, a state where he's currently tied with hillary clinton, if you believe some of the latest polls. and the speech earlier in the afternoon in pennsylvania. another state where he's outperforming how most republicans, even at this stage of the game. he was channeling, it sounded to me, like he was channeling a combination of bernie sanders and boris johnson. what was your read of trump's speech that not only would shake up this presidential race, but cause grave concerns for the party in washington? >> i think he's all in on the anti-free trade line now. it's really important to remember that what he was attacking in those speeches yesterday is absolutely the center of what main stream
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republican ideology has been all about. that republicans have fought for free trade because they believe that over time it made america richer, not just the top 1%, but america as a whole. and trump has now essentially declared that a lost cause. it will be very interesting to see whether hillary clinton takes up the other side of that argument or agrees with him that trade deals are not in our interest. i heard john kerry yesterday here at the aspen ideas festival say that he because 95% of the customers to whom we have to sell our products live outside the united states. we want trade deals because we want to be able to reach our customers and have them reach us. so, i hope that in the future there's a more coherent, intellectually honest account of what is done. the idea that the trade has wrecked america just doesn't square with the numbers. >> a prepared speech that i was reading from prepared
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statements. a departure from last week. >> his language got tougher last night, but, john meacham, this is not new to the republican party. david ignatius is right. the republican establishment has long bowed unquestioning at the alter of unfettered free trade. but you go back to '92. ross perot got a lot of support from a lot of populous republicans. >> sure. >> at the beginning of his campaign. when i ran in '94, a lot of guys and women that i ran for, not only ran against hillary's health care plan, ran against nafta, the wto. 1996, pat buchanan made waves. won new hampshire with this same message. there has been a divide in the republican party for some time. though, again, david is exactly right.
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the republican establishment has always come out on top and sided where people like mitch mcconnell and paul ryan has sided. donald trump is challenging that orthodox in a way that nobody has for generations. >> you know, it's funny. you could almost trace the politics we have right now to one night and the next morning in 1993 when the new democrat has come to office. bill clinton has become president and who does he enlist to bring to the white house to spend the night and then address the public to sell nafta? gerald ford, jimmy carter and george h.w. bush. and the president's come back. if you want a picture of the establishment, that's the image you want. and it was this moment where nafta became part of the new democrat gospel and, again, nobody was better at explaining this than bill clinton. and he did it in new hampshire in 1992. he did it throughout the 1990s.
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but we do have this moment, again, where i think there is an intellectual argument being won. what david just said and senator kerry said in aspen. absolutely. you know, 95% of the world is flat and technology is changing and all that is great, but you've got an american middle class that's a good $60,000 or $70,000 shy of household income every year to have a middle class life. >> i remember in '93 and '94 campaigning across my district the first time. campaigning against the clinton tax increase, the clinton health care plan. but you would go to places like t places more rural in the district and they wanted to talk about nafta and they wanted to talk about wto. something highly symbolic about american jobs being taken overseas or being shipped to mexico. i remember the first time coming
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across that and driving out going, why do they care about nafta? they do. they did. they still do. >> sam stein. >> yeah, i mean, i think trump is hitting on something here. but i'm curious to see if it's a full sell that he's able to pull off. by that, i mean it's one thing to rail against trade deals. it's another thing to say that you might do punitive tariffs and taxes that you believe are unfair in the trade deals. and another to fall through a set of policy proposals to appeal to the working class. in addition to rallying against nafta donald trump has a tax cut plan that would disproportionately help the wealthy and he publicly said he doesn't want to see the minimum wage go up and he wouldn't mind if it goes down. i don't know if those two policies get lost and overshadowed by this anti-trade message, but you could see a case in which he softened those
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other two policies to supplement his appeal to a working glass, blue collar audience. i'm not sure he'll make that leap yet. >> i'm curious, too, if hillary clinton's team that trump, his companies make a lot of the things that they sell in other countries and donald trump when pressed on this point, well, this is how the system is built. i have to play along with this. i am just wondering if the prpr will escalate against him? >> david ignatius, thank you very much. coming up, we'll talk to a security expert who says attacks like the one in istanbul inspired radicalized americans with no connection to terror groups to start planning the threat of home-grown terrorism, next. ok team, what if 30,000 people download the new app? we're good. okay... what if a million people download the new app? we're good. five million? good. we scale on demand. hybrid infrastructure, boom.
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37 past the hour. joining us now, former fbi counterterrorism agent and fellow with the foreign policy research institute, clint watts. also testified about isis in front of the senate homeland security committee earlier this year. >> mr. watts, thank you for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> seems to me like a lot of security precautions have taken place in this airport. that we would want any airport to take, including in the hall where the bombs were detonated. >> that's exactly right. we have hardened every point of every transportation hub we can. what we do each day is create security checkpoints that just
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push the crowds further and further out. what you really see with this attack yesterday and what has increasingly become a concern, wherever the masses are at these transportation hubs. that's where the targeting is. >> how do you protect that? you can't. >> you see some of the measures at the airport where they try to get you moving constantly or flowing from place to place in the airport screening lines, that's to keep you from having the mass of people. the further you push out, especially outside those car barriers, the more likely you'll see an attack. >> home-grown attacks and being inspired by events like this. explain how that happens. >> success breeds success for the islamic state. if you see a paris attack, around the world in any given time, 10 or 20 people who are maybe thinking taking a success. it encourages them to push on. >> see, that success means online. is that where the tech companies come in? >> the social media companies,
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in particular, really step it up. they're now screening videos automatically but too late in one is sentence that they already moved to more secure and encrypted platforms for communication. >> i'm wondering one issue that pops up a lot here and then i think we're seeing the discussion with profiling and other countries use it much more aggressively. israel, for example, but something that raises a lot of civil liberties concerns here in the united states. how do we grapple with that? >> a big misconception in the states is there is no one profile. when you look at the islamic state members that surface, they run the gamut of every race and ethnicity and they come from all over the country. unlike some of these other countries like pairs and brussels, we don't have thick communities of disenfranchised individuals. mostly ones and twos. >> within the law enforcement and military communities, has the definition of a spectacular
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change at all? >> absolutely. i think what orlando shows is that nothing had shown before. in the counterterrorism world that i come from, directed attack by al qaeda or the islamic state was going to be the most damaging and dangerous. if you look at orlando. one shooter killed 50 and wounded 50 more. that is the equivalent of theued is suicide attacks we've seen. terrorists learn from other terrorists. al qaeda and islamic state have put out the propaganda and al qaeda tried too hard ten years ago. the islamic state has boiled it down to violence anywhere against a mass target. >> clint watts, thank you very much for being on with us this morning. still ahead, house republicans release their final report on the 2012 benghazi attack and instead of pointing blame, it seemed to paint a picture of massive disorder. chris jansing sat down with voters to get the public's
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after a two-year investigation, the republican-led house select committee on benghazi released its final report on the 2012 terror attack. ultimately, the 800-pound report found no new evident by then secretary of state hillary clinton. the report did, however, find fault with the state department and the military. one commander testified that marines responding to the attack had to change in and out of uniforms four times. the state department responded to that claim. >> i can assure you that there was no back and forth over them changing their uniforms that caused a delay in these individuals being deployed to benghazi. >> you know, the thing is, though, they were sitting there ringing their hands inside the white house about instead of protecting americans, it seems from reading this report that they were ringing their hand
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over pr. and whether they would offend the libyans or not. and they were obsessed over a youtube video. five of their ten action items in the white house meeting on the day that these americans were being killed in the u.s. ambassador was being killed. they were obsessing over a youtube video that was irrelevant to the entire situation. it was, forget about hillary clinton, this is a condemination of the entire administration bungling this situation from the beginning. >> both donald trump and hillary clinton responded to the report. another hillary clinton failure. it just never seems to work the way it is supposed to with clinton. here's how hillary clinton responded. >> after more than two years and $7 million spent by the benghazi committee out of taxpayer funds, it had to, today, report that it had nothing, nothing to
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contradict the conclusions of the independent accountability board. i will leave it to others to characterize this report, but i think it's pretty clear, it's time to move on. >> john meacham. this is the oldest trick in the book for the clintons. oh, we've had this many investigations and this money's been spent. let's movin'e on. i think republicans who politicized this too much from the day of the attack and the day after the attack when mitt romney held a press conference before we knew anything that was going on. this is the first time i've seen anything that makes me think, wait a second. we actually need to talk about this more and have agencies and leaders talking to each other after we did after the desert debacle in 1980s. >> that's exactly it. >> and figure out how we make sure this never happens again.
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i think she's got it completely wrong. this is the first time i've said, wait a second. what the hell was going on in the white house? what the hell was going on -- why were they sitting there talking about uniforms like why they we were they sitting there talking about youtube videos. this wasn't some conspiracy, bungling that killed four americans. >> that's the key point. the idea that we should move on is actually wrong. because if we don't study 9/11. if we don't study moments like benghazi, everything we have been talking about this morning suggests that we will have episode after episode after episode of crisis management. if you don't learn from past crises, then you're not going to get it better. you're not going to get better at running them. i think you're right about the clinton, but it seems to me that
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51 past the hour. joining us now chris jansing who's covering the presidential election. >> we talked about benghazi because the results of this investigation were just emerging. one trump supporter, two clinton supporters, three undecideds. two of them said they're not. even going to vote. benghazi was very much on their minds. >> when americans go overseas and they're putting their lives on the line, they need to feel comfortable knowing that back in washington, d.c. that back at headquarters there are people looking out for their interests. >> people who were representing the united states' interests under the command of our government were left to die. >> and you think hillary's
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culpable in some way for that? >> some one needs to assume personal responsibility. >> she's not this just, you know, heartless person. that's not who she is. >> the why does it matter comment of course is being taken out of context repeatedly. she's saying what's this minutia matter right now? this was a big confusing thing, it was handled as best we could. >> but it does matter. i do think for someone who's been a career politician you should know not to say certain things. when you have four people who died and the family is sitting right there, you don't say what difference does it make no matter what. >> has hillary clinton sustained an unfair amount of partisan attacks? >> somewhat unfair.
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you don't need two investigations. >> accusing politicians of being political is like accusing tiger woods of golfing. however, if it was your family member that had been killed, what do you want? you want them to just not talk about it? >> i care whether our leader is willing to assume personal responsibility for his or her actions and is willing to demonstrate courage to admit when they're wrong and courage to move forward when they're right and they know they are whether people disagree with them or not. >> so chris, even looking at hillary clinton's reaction yesterday, which was i believe the final part of what we showed was it's time to move on? >> these folks are not ready to move on clearly. her most ardent supporters, yes. but even they acknowledge that she was not maybe artful in the phrase that she used. and the reports this morning that the nra's political arm is
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going to spend $6 million battleground states tell me this is still resonating. >> i feel like we lost an ambassador, we lost precious lives. maybe that should have been the first thing that she said and that it will forever be something that she -- >> i think -- i'm sure she wishes she could take that back. i think the bigger problem is that for hillary clinton is that tr trey gowdy did what people said he would do. after fits and starts and stupid political over reaches from republicans, trey gowdy actually delivered a congressional report that has fair-minded, independent americans stopping and going, wait a second,
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hillary clinton and barack obama and our foreign policy apparatus responded that way while american's lives were on the line, while a u.s. ambassador's life was on the line? i actually think that it's time to move on actually doesn't work now. if it had been another hatchet job, another witch hunt, then i would be the first to say, come on, enough is enough. i'm tired of hearing about benghazi. but when i hear what i heard from this, a lot of us are going, wait, what happened? how did this happen? how do we stop this from ever happening again? >> right. i think that secretary clinton's genuine instincts would be toward learning from the past. >> right. she ran the state department. >> but there's this tragic confluence of the clinton hatred, the clinton conspiracy
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theories that make it impossible for her to say the word benghazi. that's a political tragedy and that's the wages on both sides of this quarter century war. this is the 25-year clinton war and still going on. >> and benghazi got caught up in 2012 in the politics of 2012. barack obama wanted to tell everybody we have defeated al qaeda. we are free from terrorism. then benghazi comes along and they say wait a second, it was just a youtube video. nobody believed it was a pre preacher out of orlando. it was a youtube video. they were spreading that lie while republicans were overreacting, shooting first and asking questions later. and it's now been caught in two presidential campaigns. >> you mentioned the press conference that mitt romney held immediately. i was at that press conference. we all sort of felt as though the political reaction was so strong without taking a step
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back to consider and think through all of it. and that was probably true on both sides, republican and democrat. to your point about the clinton long time war, you saw hillary clinton the day before this report came out talk about the fact that people don't trust her and chalking it up to 25 years of republican attacks. >> thank you very much. we'll be right back. what are you doing? getting faster. huh? detecting threats faster, respding faster, recovering faster. when your security's built in, not just bolted on, and you protect the data and no, you get faster. wow, speed kills. systems open to all, but closed to intruders. trusted by 8 of 10 of the world's largest banks.
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>> with us onset mike barnacle. john howman. gram wood. istanbul's airport has partially reopened more than 230 are reported injured in what the prime minister is calling an attack by the islamic state. turkish officials say three attackers arrived at the airport in a cab last night. they opened fire in and around the main terminal using automatic weapons. police exchanged gunfire with the attackers. one man from boston who was caught up in the attacks described the chaos. >> people were shooting on one side and we all ran the other way. and then the bombs went off.
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and people were running the other way and there was more shooting. and we came out and after that i think there was another bomb, but not really sure. >> footage has emerged showing some of the attack. we warn you that the following videos are graphic. we have video captured on cctv footage on a computer that appears to show the moment of one of the explosions. nbc news has not independently confirmed it is the blast. another video appears to show a police officer shooting one of the attackers who falls to the ground before detonating his explosives moments later. the state department said it was determining if any victims fwer american. >> yeah. the pace seems to be quickening. from orlando to istanbul and
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brussels and paris. what's your take on the latest attack? >> the islamic state's been attacking turkey at a fairly low pace. it's right next turkey so it probably could have pulled off more of this in the past. >> there's obviously been a lot for people that haven't really been following this for a while. there's been a long-running dispute between the united states and turkey about that pipeline and insistence that they do more to stop the flow of isis fighters into syria. >> that's right. turkey has been a conduit for fighters of all types that are fighting against bashar al assad. >> has something happened that would be triggered this attack? a crackdown in turkey? >> yeah. that crackdown has been going on for the last year and it's made
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the islamic state mad. they're stepped up and said we're going to hit you hard in your most koz k-- from what i cn tell about this attack three coordinated suicide bombers, it's not the kind of thing that you ramp up in a couple of days. obviously turkey and israel getting back together is not something that the islamic state supports but i don't think they could ramp up an attack so fast. >> some airports around the u.s. are briefing up their security in the wake of the attack. the port authority of new york and new jersey says it's putting armed, high visibility patrols at its three main airports in the new york city area.
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meanwhile, passengers arriving at miami international airport tell nbc there that they noticed tighter security as well. the attack in istanbul comes just three months after the airport and subway station attacks in brussels that left 32 dead and 300 injured. let's bring in retired director of the fbi shawn henry. what do you make of the timing of the attacks and the way they were carried out? >> clearly this is an attack on a soft target. we know what their intent is. their intent is to inflict as much harm, fear, frustration and confusion into the civilian population. when we speak about the security, why don't we put
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security further out, outside in the parking lots. in reality you're just moving the soft target farther and p t farther away. at some point you're going to have a group of civilians unprotected coming through the security area. that's where the vulnerability now becomes. >> two years to the dae y of th califate being declared, also obviously attacks during ramadan have been suggested in the past. are we looking possibly at this attack commemorating the two-year anniversary? >> it's possible. i'm not sure isis operates with this degree of symbolism when it comes to specific dates. the lead ership of isis was calling for more attacks around the world. we're approaching the end of
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ramadan which is one of the busiest travel days of the islamic calendar. turkish officials tell me they were anticipating something around this holiday season. this would be similar to christmas and new year's for us in the west. >> help us out here. obviously many of us in the west would look at erdogan and look at turkey as a state that has been moving more islamists over the past decade and moving away from the west. it's a zero sum game for isis, right? they don't really see the gradual move. >> by no means does isis consider turkey as an islamic state it wants to represent. it does not bloelieve in that
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version of islam. turkey has shifted a little bit away from what we've traditionally thought of as a secular western democracy. but by no means is it going in the direction of saudi arabia or iran that would in any way make isis feel they're implementing their version of slaw. >> you were talking earlier about extending the ring of security further and further out from airports. the istanbul airport is a fairly large airport. >> isn't it the third busiest in europe? >> at some point that becomes nearly impossible. at some point the reality is that no place is truly secure against people, isis or whatever, who want to do what happened yesterday. >> yeah. i think you're right. i think the best way to prevent these types of attacks is you've
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got to eliminate the threat. that requires more aggressive policing, certainly military actions internationally, to disrupt these organizations. as it relates to the united states here domestically and airport security, officers, security teams being more proactive, being a little more aggressive in their searching. the type of ways you're going identify and disrupt some of these attacks. while this threat remains, we are going to be in sad shape here to ensure that we're able to detect and disrupt all attacks. >> joining us from istanbul, richard engel with the latest from there. >> reporter: good morning. i must say that this country, this airport, this city are being incredibly resilient this morning. the airport is back up and running. there have been some flights cancelled. but repair work is already
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underway. there is a steady stream of traffic of travelers coming and going from here. i saw people sitting in the coffee shops having their breakfast before getting on their flights. a very different scene from the one we saw after the brussels attack where that airport was shut down for days. the airport here in istanbul is so important to this country and the region. it is the hub for the region. and this country clearly wanted to get it back up and running quickly. a little bit more detail about the attack itself, the prime minister said that isis is the likely suspect. he said that the attackers arrived in taxi cabs. witnesses said they were dressed in black. they started open firing and detonating their suicide devices both at the curb side area around the arrival hall and then after those explosions. one of the attackers was able to get inside the arrival hall itself. >> what's the reaction from the
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government? what was the reaction of the papers? what seems to be the reaction of the people? is it defiance, anger, fear? >> reporter: the reaction from the government is one of resolve, that they will take action to fight this, that this is a global scourge, that the world needs to be united. ered turkey trying to bury the hatchet with russia. also israel and turkey trying to improve their relations. so turkey at the moment is trying to come out of the cold. turkey's relations with almost all of its neighbors and some of its close friends including the united states have been very bad recently. and i think this attack could further prompt turkey to say it could not go it alone. i must say people in this country have been bracing for
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this kind of attack. there was a specific intelligence warning that we reported on two weeks ago, that isis had deployed more than 30 fighters from inside syria to specifically carry out attacks during the muslim holy month of ramadan. this attack at the airport is very likely linked to that advanced deployment of isis personnel. and the concern is ramadan is not over yet. what we saw last night here may just be the start of a wave of violence in the final days of this muslim holiday. >> thank you very much. both presumptive presidential nominees released statements in response to the istanbul terror attack. hillary clinton said the attack in istanbul only strengthens our
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resolve. part of donald trump's statement reed li reads like this, our enemies are brutal and ruthless. we must take steps now to protect america from terrorists and do everything in our power to improve our security to keep america safe. and here he is at the campaign rally last night. >> they said what do you think about water boarding? i said i like it a lot. i don't think it's tough enough. we have to be so strong. we have to fight so viciously and violently because we're dealing with violent people, vicious people. and you know they eat dinner like us. can you imagine them sitting around the table or wherever they're eating their dinner talking about the americans don't do water boarding and yet we chop off heads? they probably think we're weak, we're stupid, we don't know what we're doing. we have no leadership. you know, you have to fight fire
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with fire. we have laws and the laws say you can't do this, you can't do that. their laws say you can do anything you want and the more vicious you are, the better. so we can't do water boarding, which is -- it's not the nicest thing but it's peanuts compared to many alternatives. so we can't do water boarding but they can do chopping off heads, drowning people in steel cages. >> react what you saw from hillary clinton and donald trump. >>. >> look, i think the first thing to say is we've thought for a long time now this is going to be an election where security is the dominant theme. as these terror attacks ramped up, i'm sure you saw the story in the l.a. times which recounted all of april, which had terrorism attacks in 27
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countries. this is going to be the drum beat from now all the way to november. both hillary clinton and donald trump are confident that their approach politically on this show benefits them. trump, i'm the strong man. clinton, i'm the competent woman. i think for people who think that trump is a danger as commander in chief, those kinds of words will fuel people to make the criticism that the idea that we should fight fire with fire, that we should sink to the terror levels. that will just fuel their sense that he's not equipped. i'm sure you'll hear secretary clinton make those arguments. for a lot of trump supporters that posture will do whatever it takes with no considerations for international law or morality. >> i think that will be appealing beyond the base of many americans. you look at the numbers that
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supported drone warfare, the increase of drone warfare despite the civilians that were killed. when the united states sees itself under attack you can go all the way back to world war ii and see that nuance is not always united states play. i am curious, though, how donald trump's words, how hillary clinton's words are read -- >> internationally. >> and also by groups like isis. >> a group like isis is very happy to play the savagery game. that's where they excel. if they want to say that the united states -- >> do they see us as weak? >> they do. >> do they see us like oh sambin
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saw us, as a paper tiger? >> they see us as simply -- we don't have god on our side. they do. so they think if there's an all-out war, if there's a fight between the united states and the islamic state, it's going to look really food for the islamic state. >> any suggestion that these attacks are increasing in speed? because they're losing on the battleground. >> yeah. i think that has something to do with it. the holy month of ramadan, isis thinks that if you blow yourself up during ramadan, you get a whole lot of brownie points. still ahead, the chairman of the house security committee joins us. plus, donald trump sharpens his tone against free trade, vowing to tear up existing deals and claiming globalism has wiped out
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joining us now casey hunt and senior political editor sam stein. >> what do you think about donald trump's trade speech yesterday? >> well, sam found it funny. >> no, no, no, no. that was just me clearing my throat. >> oh. >> in a sort of mocking way. >> okay. well, let's take a look. donald trump returned to
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pennsylvania steel country yesterday to speak out against the globalism punishing the american worker, vowing economic independence with a plan that would withdraw the u.s. from the trans pacific partnership, renegotiate or withdraw from nafta, label china a currency manipulator and impose new tariffs and taxes to punish bad behavior. trump claimed hillary clinton would protect the status quo and continue the total betrayal of american workers. >> hillary clinton and her campaign of fear will try to spread the lie that these actions will start a trade war. we already have a trade war and we're losing badly. she has it completely backwards. hillary clinton unleashed a trade war against the american worker when she supported one terrible deal after another from nafta to china to south korea.
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no matter where she went, the american worker was hurt. >> what was your take on the speech? >> well, i mean it's a fascinating thing. it's not just speech but the clinton response to it which i found interesting. we can talk about the economics of this, the politics of it. we now have a race which is unlike any presidential race in our lifetimes where you have one candidate in donald trump who is an out front protectionist and is arguing -- i mean, i think you could say this without any shading. he's basically saying i want to go back to a world before globalization. globalization is a set of policies the united states have adopted. it's also just a phenomenon in the world that can't be stopped. he's trying to roll back globalization and throwing up a bunch of trade barriers. >> that sounds like the critics of brexit. >> it has taken an incredible amount of the rhetoric in that
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speech was lifted directly from the leave campaign. it's like he's really ripped a page. he's echoing a lot of stuff that has global resonance. the fascinating thing to me was the way the clinton campaign reacted to all of that, beyond her talk in denver yesterday. it was she said it first. he's echoing her. so they're both essentially running -- she was pushed pretty far to the left on the trade issue by sanders. she's not making a defense of globalization. she's basically saying i'm a kinder gentler version of what trump wants to do in terms of the global economy, which is fascinating. you basically have two candidates lining up in various ways on the protectionist end of the scale rather than anybody making what the clinton people used to say. >> let's look at the response. take it in there for landing and
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stop. the clinton campaign also put fourth u.s. senator brown who ran through a list of trump's products sold in the united states but manufactured overseas. >> he was asked why he makes his suits in china, trump said he has no choice because they don't even make this stuff here. well, not true. i'm wearing a suit today made proudly by union workers in brooklyn, ohio, about seven miles from my house. we know just in my state alone where donald trump could have gone to make these things. >> trump's speech also came under criticism from an unlikely pairing, both the u.s. chamber of commerce who tweeted under trump's plans we would see higher jobs and a weaker economy. if trump's trade policies look anything like his business policies, working people will be collecting pink slips instead of paychecks. but trump carried his message on trade into ohio last night.
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going off teleprompter and using harsh rhetoric. >> the transpacific partnership is another disaster done and pushed by special interests who want to rape our country, just a continuing rape of our country. that's what it is too. it's a harsh word. it's a rape of our country. this is done by wealthy people that want to take advantage of us and that want to assign another partnership. >> some extraordinarily harsh language. but it's interesting he brings up tpp, something that hillary clinton once called the gold standard of trade deals. >> and something she's still coming under pressure from. bernie sanders is out publicly this week saying that the democratic party in the platform should oppose tpp. of course that would put the party at odds with the president of the united states who's still the leader of the democratic
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party. he's still putting pressure on hillary clinton on trade. to your point earlier, yes, all of their messaging and rhetoric said one thing. but when you listen to her, she was on stage out in california and she essentially said to them, you know what, we can't go back. you're essentially getting all of these promises from somebody who can't actually take you back to the place where you maybe want to go. i think she still feels pretty strongly. remember, it was her husband who passed nafta. >> she's been a free trader up until this presidential race. and how extraordinary that we have a republican who is blowing up free trade dogma that's basically been the hallmark of both parties on trade policy for the past 30, 40 years. and you've got a democrat who is going to be the defender of the
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status quo. >> usually in elections democrats tend to be skeptical of free trade and when the election is over they sort of lose that skepticism. now we're seeing with trump being the one who's the more skeptical of the bunch and it's creating all these different variables here. donald trump getting push back from the chamber of commerce is remarkable. the other thing that we should be watching for -- >> that's actually the answer. the chamber goes to hillary. there is no doubt on trade issues like this. that's a huge issue for the sha chamber. >> if you're rob portman this week, you have been associated with free trade deals much more than hillary clinton. and you have your own presidential candidate echoing what essentially the position of your primary opponent.
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. 35 past the hour this morning. the death toll from the suicide bombing at istanbul's international airport has climbed to at least 41 people. another 239 have been injured in what turkey's prime minister is calling an attack by the islamic state. joining us now from austin, texas, chairman of the homeland security committee congressman mike mccaul. i guess, first of all, as chair of the homeland security committee, what are you looking at with this latest attack? >> well, this was like a see que sequel to brussels but far more deadly attack. this pace of terrorists is just really unprecedented. and it's all too often, too common that we're seeing it
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happen all throughout europe as well and in the united states. i think we need to look at these last point of departure airports, like istanbul. i've been there many times looking at their security in terms of these flights coming into the united states but also our airports here at home. isis has now identified a soft target that they hit in brussels. i believe this is most likely an isis attack. just yesterday in istanbul. and so it's very difficult to harden that kind of soft target. >> if you look at what happened in brussels, if you look at what happened in istanbul, how do we toughen up our own security? istanbul had pretty good security and actually pushed the ring of security out away from the airport. how far out do we push it? what do we do? >> that's exactly right. istanbul had two layers of
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checkpoints. the suicide bomber diverted the first one and they got into the second layer of security. we don't even have that in the united states. what we're doing currently, you'll see it particularly in new york right now is the nypd forces, tsa, these law enforcement teams ramping up a presence in the outer perimeter along with canine units. and the fact is intelligence is always key. if you know about these guys before they show up, that's the best way to stop these attacks rather than responding after the fact. >> congressman, president erdogan issued a statement in the wake of the attacks. part of the statement reeads, quote we urge the world to take a firm stand against terrorism. of course western countries have taken a firm stand against terrorism.
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but with regards to turkey and president erdogan, do we or do we not have a rather reluctant ally in the past in terms of cooperating on intelligence gathering? >> i just met with the turkish ambassador last week. i know there have been questions raised about erdogan. i think for a while turkey was allowing the foreign fighters -- and this is the epicenter for the foreign fighter flow from syria and into europe. i think with isis attacking turkey now, you're seeing turkey take a different response to isis and become a part of that fight. i think that's also created -- put them in the bullseye and made them a target for isis as well, because they are hitting isis. >> a poll asked americans
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whether its government was doing enough to prevent terror attacks. 29% said yes, but a full 64% said no. what more does the government need to do to prevent domestic terror attacks? >> the question today is do you feel safer. and i think most americans don't feel safer. because these attacks are. happening all too often. we ne we need to defeat the enmy where it exists. i think we need to combat radicalization within the united states so we don't see these kind of attacks happening here and also harden our airport screening, foreign screening at airports. many things we need to be doing. but the fact is this sort of
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rise of radical jihad is global and it's not going away any time soon. >> all right. thank you so much. still ahead, maine hasn't gone red in a presidential election since george h.w. bush in 1988 but that's not stopping donald trump from campaigning there today. we're good. okay... what if a million people download the new app? we're good. five million? good. we scale on demand. hybrid infrastructure, boom. ok. what if 30 million people download the app? we're nogood. we're total heroes. scale on demand with the number one company in cloud infrastructure.
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put more restrictions on wall street and that she will veto any legislation to roll back any of the financial reforms we put in after the last crash. donald trump has already offered his big wet kiss to wall street. he has said, hey guys, if i get in, i'm going to roll back all of those financial regulations because they make it too hard for the banks to cheat people. tlnchts y >> i don't know if that's exactly what he said. did he say that? >> i'm not sure about that. but what i enjoy about that clip is the extent to which elizabeth warren -- in both parties there's no one more openly campaigning to get on that ticket with hillary clinton. i think they looked fantastic together. i think she would provide an incredible jolt of energy and help with the sanders voters. she wants that spot. >> if it's not her, suddenly the
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people we've been naming before -- >> look very gray compared to her with that jolt of blue we saw the other day. >> how much does she need the bernie sanders supporters? >> there's a bunch of bernie sanders supporters -- the party is come together. up next, we're going to check in with nbc's hallie jackson covering donald trump on the campaign trail in maine. ges. did you read eve word? no, only lawyers do that. so when you got rear-ended and needed a tow, your insurance company told you did it say "great news. you're covered!" on page five? . itaid, "blah blah, blah blah blah bl blah..." the liberty mutual app with coverage compass makes it easy to know what you're coved for and what you're not. see car insurance in a whole newight. liberty mutual insurance
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joining us now from bangor maine hallie jackson. what can we expect from donald trump today? >> in maine of all places. >> reporter: in maine. kind of a weird choice, right? i think you guys talked about how maine hasn't gone red in a couple decades. the trump campaign privately calls maine one of their few steal states. maine along with colorado and nevada. trump will be here for a rally in bangor. trump on the campaign trail has very, very rarely been seen with governors of the states that he's visiting. he basically went 0 for 5 with governors who would appear with him publicly on stage at one of these rallies. governor abbott of texas didn't show when trump visited there.
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a couple of other governors from arizona and georgia did fund-raisers but didn't publicly support him. he's also in boston for a fund-raiser. we do expect there to be protests there. hundreds of people expected in downtown boston. they're shuts down some streets right around post office square where that is happening. trump sending out an e-mail last night, his team, fund-raising off of hillary clinton and her benghazi comments. >> you know, the question is listening to that report, how did lepage get reelected? i slept through that. were there like 12 candidates? i don't remember. >> i think it was a split situation. >> it had to be. >> okay. >> at least one independent on the ballot. >> it's crazy. political junkies can get an
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instant fix from a mobile app that puts install polling at your fingertips. you could become obsessed with this. >> i was. >> joining us now josh marshall. good to have you back. >> tpm, the website that i run, is one of the three big poll aggregates. we run poll trackers. we're the only one who has a mobile app that sends you live notifications when there's a new poll in the race that you're following. >> this is really unfortunate. >> if you have an addiction like you do, joe, to polling, if you're a polling junkie you need to have this. if you're really into politics it's not enough to find out about the new poll at dinner. you need it to zap you on your mobile phone. >> the only app on your home screen. >> i loved it. what changes four years later
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not just that everybody knows that warren brings a lot of energy. but the thing that really clenched knclench ed it in my mind when you see them on stage together, hillary clinton has more energy. this's something that she brings out of clinton that's very electric. clinton's big advantage in this race is she's not trump. she's not high fiving saying he's right after a terrorist attack. you know, it's the polarization of parties in the country. when you see how many -- something like two-thirds of the electorate think that donald trump is not qualified at all to be president and yet he's within five points in the horse race. the country is so polarized between democrats and republicans that a republican kind of can't get below the low 40s. it just can't happen. trump is almost the ultimate proof of that since a clear
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majority thinks he's not even qualified and yet a lot of those people are supporting him. >> seems to me like there's an almost idealogical dispute whether we should be paying attention to national polls or state polls at this point. others say the state by state polls lag the national polls. if you see a trend in the national polls, ultimately the state polls will catch up. what camp are you? >> there's not as much density of polling in the states. in a state like pennsylvania there's like a handful over the last few months. if you're looking for trends, you see it more in the national pol polls. obviously it really is won or lost in the states. i think at this point you need to watch both. but there's not enough polling yet in the states to see the trends if they're popping up. >> poll tracker, i just have to
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after that, i think there was another bomb, but i'm not really sure. >> yet another morning following a terror attack. isis again purported to be responsible for the attack at the airport in turkey. >> time for final thoughts. >> unfortunately i think we live in a world and a country specifically where fear is now a huge motivating factor in people's lives. >> i think the next three months, four months are going to be about head versus gut. democrats keep winning the intellectual argument. trump keeps walking away with the emotional one. >> the turkish people have the airport reopened this morning. talk about a picture of resilience. >> i tell you, on the domestic front more and more people are saying what you were talking about a year ago, elizabeth warren as vice presidential
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candidate. she is seizing control of the narrative by just how effective she is out on the campaign trail with hillary. >> they were electrifying together on the trail. she fills in a few blanks for hillary clinton. but also something that's been a problem for a lot of really good candidates on the republican side. she can generate a crowd. >> she can generate a crowd and she knows how to go after donald trump. >> that does it for us. stephanie rule picks up the coverage of yesterday's terror attack right now. ♪ good morning. this morning breaking news, terror in istanbul. the official count, 41 people dead. more than 200 are injured. >> people were shooting on one side and we ail ran the othll r way. >> graphic video app

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