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start of the democratic national convention. the plt place for politics, msnbc. convention week for democrats begins with controversy with reports today that the dnc chair debbie wasserman-schultz is losing her speaking role over e-mails released by wikileaks, suggests idea ideas to her for bernie sanders' campaign. one top official who wrote an e-mail, suggesting how the dnc could use sanders' religious beliefs against him has apologized. bernie sanders is talking to my colleague, chuck todd. >> nobody has apologized to me. as you just mentioned, this really does not come as a shock to me or my supporters. there is no question but the dnc was on secretary clinton's side from day one. we all know that. and i think, as i have said a long time ago, that the time is now for debbie wasserman-schultz
to step aside. not only for these issues. >> donald trump's son and hillary clinton's manager are weighing in on the controversy today. >> experts are telling us that russian state actors broke into the dnc, stole these e-mails and other experts are now saying that the russians are releasing these e-mails for the purpose of actually helping donald trump. i don't think it's coincidentally that these e-mails were released on the eve of our convention. >> i can't think of bigger lies, but that exactly goes to show you what the dnc and the clinton camp will do. they will lie and do anything to win. >> meanwhile, presumptive democratic vice presidential nominee tim kaine making one last stop before the convention kicks off tomorrow. he attended his home church in virginia, as he said he would. kasie hunt is not too far from us here at the wells fargo
center, where it's all going to happen, the site of the democratic national convention. what more can you tell us about all this fallout from the e-mail leaks and the reaction from the clinton campaign? >> hi, alex. not quite the way that democrats wanted to start out the run-up to this convention. the balloons already tied to the ceiling behind me here at the wells fargo center. a few of them escaped earlier. people down here essentially puncturing the balloons, which is what this e-mail scandal, in some ways, has done for the dnc and for the clinton campaign. many of them suggesting that dnc staffers were trying to figure out ways to damage bernie sanders' campaign, that comes at a time when, quite frankly, the relationship seemed to be on the mend. it seemed, yes, we were going to see protesters in philadelphia, but it wasn't going to cause the kind of ruffled feathers, sharp elbows and tension between the two campaigns.
but moving forward it looks like there's a possibility for that. the clinton campaign they said the question about debbie wasser man-schultz. further evidence that the russian government is trying to influence the outcome of the election. but none of this has stopped bernie sanders from coming out on "meet the press" today. he called for debbie wasserman schultz again to resign as chairwoman of the dnc and defended himself again against the accusations that the dnc made in these e-mails about his faith. take a look. >> i am not an aetheist. aside from that, it is outrageous and sad that you would have people in important positions in the dnc trying to undermine my campaign. it goes without saying, the
quungs is to represent all the candidates to be fair and even minded. but, again, we discuss this had many, many months ago on this sho show. >> this, of course, speaks to many of the concerns. i covered bernie sanders for several months through the spring when the campaign was at its height. and the idea that this system is rigged is something that really motivated his supporters. and i think you're going to hear more from him here in philadelphia on that point. it's also something that, frankly, the clinton campaign doesn't need. they ran this very buttoned down vp search process. they managed to keep it concealed until the moment they wanted to reveal it. all of it was very well choreographed. instead of coming out with a celebration, they're dealing with this. alex? >> precursor to that rollout. kasie, that's something we're going to be dealing with here in
philadelphia this week. do you know how exactly they expect to be dealing with this? >> well, you've already got some bernie -- there was supposed to be a large bernie sanders' protest here today, actually in general. the permit for that was turned down. the philadelphia mayor, of course, a supporter of hillary clinton's, something that privately democrats are unhappy with what's going on that they want to talk about behind the scenes. we're expecting him to be here at some point tomorrow, monday. of course, his address in the evening. so, i think that's when you're going to get your first real taste of how animated the bernie sanders supporters are here at
this convention, alex. >> i think you're exactly right, kasie hunt. thank you so much for that. let's get more on the race for the white house. i'm going to bring in green party presidential candidate dr. jill stein. thank you for being here in this meet, which you're weathering very well. >> my pleasure. >> last polls, you were hovering about 3% or 4% in the polls. ultimately, what is your role in this election? do you really believe you'll be occupying the oval office next january? >> given the revelations in the wikileaks, there are a lot of people who really question now supporting this party, which essentially sabotaged bernie sanders' campaign. so, many of sanders' supporters are looking for another place to go. i would, again, issue my invitation to senator sanders and urge him to consider withdrawing his endorsement for hillary clinton, given these revelations of how the dnc actually sabotaged his campaign.
>> all right. but, honestly, you looked to be in the white house, or is there another goal? is there a message goal you would be satisfied with come november if you see that is something that you have contributed to significantly? >> millennials who have been locked out of jobs, homes, a climate future and can't get out of debt. are they trying to make a statement? my campaign is the one place that will cancel student debt like we did for the crooks on wall street, we can use the same tool of qaunitative easing. if that word gets out, there are 42 million people who have no place to go except into my campaign. that's actually a winning plurality of the vote. it's just not true that we don't have a chance. in fact, if democracy prevails and there's a real debate, we do have a realistic possibility. >> you mentioned debates.debate
>> i was on the ballot for 85% of voters. this the votes are there. look at where the american public is. we came up from 2% in the polls, about six weeks ago, to what is now as high as 6% and even 7% in the most recent cnn poll. we've tripled our numbers prior to having any major media coverage whatsoever, because people are desperate for someone who is not donald trump or hillary clinton. >> there may be that. but to what do you attribute that? sanders' supporters, do you think, coming your way? >> sanders' supporters, in fact, are pouring into our campaign. but every day people, millennials and students who
basically don't have a future under the current system are really beginning to get the word out, knowing if they come out, they can take over this election and win it, not only to cancel de debt, to make higher education free, to create emergency program that would address this climate change we're feeling today. instead of this catastrophic regime change foreign policy we've been involved in. >> earlier this week, dan saviage had this to say. you are essentially, if you're voting for jill stein, helping to potentially elect donald j. trump president of these united states, which would be a catastrophe. how do you respond to that? do you feel a sense of responsibility that your role may, indeed, be that of spoiler in this race? >> one, i would feel terrible if donald trump gets elected but i would also feel terrible if hillary clinton gets elected. trump says horrific things.
hillary clinton actually has a track record of horrific war and regime change, of promoting the risk of nuclear war. in fact, over syria, where she wants to start an air war with a no fly zone with a nuclear armed power, she's spread fracking around the world and helped contribute to this climate crisis. a voting system that says we have two deadly choices. in fact, we do have the ability to stand up. and in order to stand up to donald trump, hillary clinton can't do it. in order to defeat protofashism, this right-wing, the only way to defeat that we know from history and the current moment you have to stand up with true, progressive policies. if we have tripled our vote, we can double it and get into the debates. i urge people to support my campaign so that we can have a strong voice to stand up to donald trump, his militaryism, his racism, his xenophobia.
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that bernie sanders is calling for debbie wasserman-schultz to step down. do you believe that the congresswoman should give up the chair in the name of party unity? >> i don't actually know much about the e-mails. i read one article today about an e-mail, questioning senator sanders' faith, which is totally inappropriate. i don't have enough details about what happened but certainly some of the e-mails i read about seem very inappropriate. >> all right. sir, with regard to just balancing out the party -- party unity, trying to bring everybody together with 99 days to go until the election, is debbie wasserman-schultz and this issue, is it a distraction? do you think, as bernie sanders called for, that she should step aside? >> i leave that to the top of the ticket to decide. i can tell you that i really do believe that the party will come out of philadelphia unified. we believe in the vision that secretary of state clinton and now tremendous selection senator
kaine, they're focused on raising incomes for hard-working americans. that is, frankly, what people care about. people across the country don't care much about, i'm sure, this e-mail scandal but what it is we're going to do to make sure we have better jobs, better schools, keeping people safe. that's what president clinton and vice president kaine will be focused on. >> has the success of the senator occurring the primaries led you to reassess all his value to the party? >> i think he brought a lot to the party in making sure there was significant focus on economic inequality, wage stagnation and the like. i do happen to believe that the proposals that have been put forth by secretary clinton t inl americans and particularly sort of looking to how we can provide incentives to companies to share the bounties with their
employees more effectively, i think she is focused on the exact same issues. i've got no quibble with the issues that senator sanders has raised and president clinton will be a great person to actually realize those goals. >> we are expecting to see some demonstrations, several of them, in fact, by bernie sanders at the convention. how do you have do you think it will be this week and throughout the campaign to bring the sanders' supporters on board? >> i do believe they will come on board. when they look at the alternative as donald trump as president, i think it's going to be a slam dunk. not perhaps for 100%, but i think the contrast in every election is something that people, you know, focus on. this year, it is particularly stark. mr. trump has focused on dividing the american people. truly and literally. he has tried to divide us from our latino community, muslim
neighbors whereas hillary clinton has been very clear. she thinks we're stronger together. i happen to agree with her. at the end of the day, that's where the american people will come out as well. >> as you know, donald trump touts his business acumen. you, sir, writing in forbes a couple of days ago, his policies imply he's no forward-thinking businessman. will that necessarily translate in his ability to lead the nation? >> what i'm hoping is that in the argument i essentially made, i've spent the last eight years talking to business leaders throughout delaware and across the country. one of the things i've learned from them is that the only sustainable way to long-term business success is through inclusion, both when it comes to customers, recruiting talent and when somebody like donald trump has spent so much time mocking, for example, those with disabilities -- again, offending major purchasers, big purchasing power in this country in the latino and muslim communities
and also offending many of our allies abroad, that does not seem at all, to me, to be able to build an economy. in contrast, i think secretary clinton recognizes we've got to include everybody. one thing i particularly appreciate about her platform, she's focused on building a strong middle class, strong working class as the best way to drive a strong economy for everybody. i think that's exactly the right approach. >> jack markell, thank you for your time. appreciate that. >> thank you. well, mr. trump not on the campaign trail today. however, senior members of the rnc are here in philadelphia, hoping to counter any positive press from democrats. kelly o'donnell is next to me on the set in philly this afternoon. so, hillary clinton, as you well know, kelly -- and others -- they've certainly criticized mr. trump's speech as being too dark. what's the reaction been? >> as you would expect, donald trump is taking that head on and is saying that the interpretations and criticism of his speech are off the mark.
he believes because he talked about ways that he could bring solutions, that that should qualify as optimism. many people heard it quite differently. donald trump sat down with our own chuck todd on "meet the press" and chuck put this question to him. you'll hear exactly how donald trump answered it, his form of optimism. >> do you think it was dark? >> no. i thought it was very optimi optimistic. >> what makes it optimistic? >> because we're going to solve the problems. we're going to solve the problems. sure, i talk about the problems. but we're going to solve the problems. >> in that speech that we know was one of the longest on record. my feet still hurt from standing there, as i'm sure many delegates did. it was a well-delivered speech for donald trump, based on his relatively new time using the teleprompter. there was, of course, just a little bit of ad libbing where he was able to riff off the delegates. many people found it to be a dark tone.
that's his view of it, his counterpoint. he's talking about, tweeting about the democratic ticket. >> what's he saying about that? >> there have been a lot. but this is classic donald trump, a quote from his twitter feet. just saw crooked hillary and tim kaine together. isis and our other enemies are drooling. they don't look presidential to me. sort of twisting that because so many people said trump does not appear presidential in the classic way. he is trying to turn that on to the democratic ticket. he also hits the road, as you may know. down day today, getting a little rest. he and mike pence will do campaigning together hitting battleground states like virginia, florida, north carolina, on the road while democrats are here, going through their steps to make it official for hillary clinton. >> kelly o'donnell, always good to have you right here. good job. coming up after the break, we'll take you out west to california. there is one huge fire in santa clarita. 2,000 homes are in the line of fire right there.
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happening now, a wildfire in santa clarita, 30 miles northeast of los angeles. any idea when this fire might begin to be contained? >> reporter: this started as a roadside brush fire friday afternoon. it has now bloomed to 22,000 acres, 1,500 homes threatened, another 100 commercial structures, widespread evacuations and air quality issues in and around los angeles and the northern suburbs. and so they are still dealing
with quite a bit here, including winds that will pick up as the day goes on. authorities are investigating a body that was found, a male found in an automobile in a driveway, residential driveway. they're not sure whether that is fire related. the winds are picking up. that's why we're seeing a lot of activity this morning as they try to get on top of that. some 1,600 firefighters, 15 helicopters that are coming and going now, dropping water on the fire, trying to help firefighters on the ground. 10% of the fire area is contained. and they're, again, dealing with the winds, high temperatures. it's cooled off a little bit from yesterday. but humidity is low. these are not good conditions for trying to bring this fire under control. alex? >> you can imagine. scott, quickly, are people complying with the evacuation orders? because sometimes people don't. >> reporter: it seems that way. you know, it's a widespread area. as we said 22,000 acres.
and a lot of areas to be evacuated. it certainly seems as if they are. >> okay. scott cohn, thank you for that update. let's turn our attention back here in philadelphia, where the democratic national convention set to formally begin tomorrow. jeremy peters, reporter for the new york times and msnbc contributor. always good to see you, jeremy. let's talk about if it turns out to be true that chairman debbie wasserman-schultz will no longer have a speaking role this week, how does this demotion, if you will, affect the party? this is a crucial time in the election. clinton's obstacle to getting sanders' supporters on board. >> optically speaking, it would be a good move not to have her at the convention. let's not forget, that floor is going to be fill wade lot of delegates who are quite loyal to bernie sanders. and her presence there could become a huge distraction. let's look back last week at what happened when ted cruz took the floor and he was booed off
the stage. and the lack of unity in the republican party was on full display for the entire nation to watchme watch. these conventions are supposed to be about party unity, cohesion. as much as they can project that, superficially or not, they're going to try to to do that. the right answer might be just to not have her speak. >> one of the most difficult e-mails was one that sanders says -- the one attacking his religious beliefs. that one, among others, wasn't surprising, though. the change of his message potentially at the convention tomorrow night, does it change it and his role to help clinton get elected? >> i think what you've seen from bernie lately has been more team player bernie than it has fiery leftist. i think bernie will do his best to, you know, sort of tow the party line. i think there will be a nod to his supporters and victories
that they achieved, states that they won. and the policy positions they thrust front and center into the campaign. i think it would be very surprising if bernie pulled a ted cruz and basically refused to endorse hillary or said -- used code words to sew the division within the democratic party. i don't see him doing something like that. >> that's sanders, but what about the delegates? as you know, they were still fighting to get the rules over the super delegates changed as late as last night. that started at 1:00 pm yesterday, that meeting. given their refusal to back down and now the fallout over the late dnc e-mails, do you think we'll see the kind of trauma we saw in cleveland last week? >> i think we could see some unrest. let's not forget, thousands of people will show up to this arena and a lot of them still have a hard time swallowing the idea of hillary clinton as the
nominee. boisterous show at the last democratic national convention over israel and the platform. there will be little fissures that bubble up and displays of disaccountant. i wouldn't be surprise if we see that come. but if convention planners are smart and on top of their game, a lot of them are looking to avoid these type of disruptions. when that happens, i bet it would be monday so we can get on with the week and not worry about it after that, and let it be even more of a distraction. >> yeah. very quickly, jeremy, because i'm out of time. tim kaine coming on board, his ability to attract white men and moderates. how does the trump campaign overcome that? >> they are trying to paint him as a crooked politician, much like hillary. if they can paint that trump and hillary are one in the same,
they've done their work. now tim kaine's appeal may be as much with whites as nonwhites. he speaks spanish fluently. his appeal there will help to round out the ticket with minority voters. >> jeremy peters, thank you much, as always. >> thank you. former press secretary for the bernie sanders' campaign weighs in on those 20,000 e-mails released by wikileaks. ♪ take on any road with intuitive all-wheel drive. the nissan rogue, murano and pathfinder. now get 0% apr for 72 months, plus $500 bonus cash. ♪ on time. but my back pain was making it hard to sleep anon time.
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heers now than we saw any day last week at the rnc convention. as we walk around -- we're in the middle of city hall, by the way. they've gathered here for, they say, clean energy revolution. it's anti-fracking, other things as well. most of those you talk to, who are willing to say, support bernie sanders. there's a lot of bernie sanders' sign. in every direction, as far as you go and outside of city hall as well, we have hundreds and hundreds of people. it's hard to tell exactly how many. but we know that organizers here, the protest leaders tell you they estimate much larger crowd sizes than we saw at the gop convention. we're already seeing that. what we know about security is that we have very similar to what we saw in cleveland, that we have thousands of federal officers and agents who have come here, who are securing the zone inside where that wells fargo arena is. as far as the local police, we have the philadelphia police department much larger than that
of cleveland. they are not asking thousands of outside officers to come in. but they say they are ready. they don't want to leave anything to chance. as we see thousands of protesters come to philadelphia. alex? >> yeah. jacob, what about the heat? >> reporter: the heat is a big deal. it's probably 95 degrees outside. this may be the best day of the week. tomorrow, it may be 98. it may feel like well over 100. the next day is similar and the following day as well. we may get some relief tomorrow and, i believe, friday with some rain. again, 95 degrees outside. and this may be the cooler day of the week. >> we're here on set and have the lights and doing our best to keep it cool here for our guests. thank you very much, jacob. leaked release of the dnc e-mails have exposed long
simmering divisions in the party. and bernie sanders said today he's not surprised. >> the dnc was not running a fair operation, that they were supporting secretary clinton. debbie wasserman-schultz should not be chair of the dnc. i think these e-mails reiterate that reason why she should not be chair. >> simone sanders joins me here on the set. thank you very much. you look calm, cool and collected. >> thank you. i am very breathable. >> very well planning there. you heard what the senator said. do you think debbie wasserman-schultz should step down? >> the dnc has full confidence they'll handle this and do what they think is best. i also want to reiterate, from the media, from the reports coming out, you would think that the dnc is seven people in an e-mail. they're made up of a number of party officials, activists,
leaders across this country, people like miss ella, where i'm from in omaha, nebraska, that's worked for the did. nc for a very long time. as someone who has worked with the dnc throughout the primary process, with our dealings and whatnot, they are very fair and even handed. clearly, people have opinions and personal preferences. but in terms of their dealings, i do believe that the dnc try to be as fair as possible. >> you do? >> i do. yes! we're family, alex. have you ever been to a family reunion? >> yes. yes, ma'am, i have. >> sometimes family reunions, family does not always get along. coming into the convention, we're coming into a family reunion. and there are different folks in the family. some people that have been best buddies forever and some people that still have some differences to work out. at end of the day, we're democrats, family and we'll get the work done. this e-mail leak has a bit of a distraction. and i do believe that folks are
using this. particularly, the republicans are using this as a wedge issue, if you will. we're going to go into this convention, get the work done, come out united and ready to keep the white house come this november. >> you are hired. you are so gracious in this response. symone, are there any ill will feelings, difficult feelings? as in a family reunion you'll get people relatable more than others and sometimes there are just grudges. >> i think so. that is something that, one, the dnc will have to deal with. they're dealing with it and will continue to deal with t i have full confidence they'll do what needs to be done. on the convention side and for democrats like myself, coming here excited about what we're going to do, i'm excited about this convention. i know that there are feelings out there, very strong feelings. feelings from bernie sporters and people that do feel like they were cheated out, if you will, in the primary process. i'm here to say that's just not true. campaigns are about people talking about their issues, two sides going out there, making
their case to the american people. and at the the end of the day, someone emerges victim torious. >> they thought they bernie sanders in lockstep potentially with them. now all this is resurrecting difficult feelings, potentially. the role of debbie wasserman-schultz, what does the clinton campaign do? what's the best advice for them on how to handle this? >> i saw christina back there. i'm sure that she will come out and tell you what the clinton campaign is going to do. i won't speak for them. you heard the senator this morning on the programs. he reiterated a lot of things he reiterated when he endorsed senator clinton. we need to do everything we can to keep the issues at the forefront, defeat donald trump.
did he express some misgivings with the chairwoman. i don't think there's any secret. the dnc will have to deal with that. democrats, family sometimes you have some spats and some issues. at end of the day, we are coming out of this united and getting ready to get to work. >> family for sure. symone sanders, thank you very much. uproar over the did. nc e-mails. really love it. i'm on the move all day long... and sometimes, i just don't eat the way i should. so i drink boost® to get the nutrition that i'm missing. boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. all with a great taste. i don't plan on slowing down any time soon. stay strong. stay active with boost®.
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>> we don't know all the facts. our campaigns have worked hard to come together. hillary is proud of the campaign she ran. and many times, we've said bernie sanders ran an extraordinary campaign. we worked really hard to come together on the boldest, most progressive platform the democratic party has ever had. i think what's really important is what bernie sanders said this morning in interviews on nbc, that he is going to do everything he can to elect hillary clinton president and cannot let donald trump become president of the united states. >> party unity on that point. with regard to debbie wasserman-schultz, word is that she is only going to gavel open and gavel close the convention. has the hillary clinton campaign asked her not to speak? >> you know, we're working out all the speaking arrangements. everything is still in flux. we haven't actually announced or keynote speaker yet. we haven't made all those announcements yet. >> let's talk about what we know from sanders' supporters, not
mr. sanders himself who spoke, but others like nina turner, who spoke earlier on this. we'll rack that and play that. >> it could have been the men from mars. the fact of the matter is it shows there is a culture within the dnc that must be corrected starting from the bottom to the top, that there was deliberate intention in the dnc to stop bernie sanders from having a fair chance to win and to compete in this election. and this is bigger than senator sanders. this is about any candidate, especially an insurgent type candidate and whether or not the dnc will be a fair arbiter before we have an actual candidate. it's very clear in those e-mails they were not. >> there's been a lot of hoopla over who might be behind this. to her point, what was said in those e-mails, it wasn't men from mars, as she referenced, who wrote them. that which was said, is that the difficult point here? someone has to own that.
>> i think, as we said, we want the dnc to do a full review and act accordingly. the bigger picture here is how problematic this is, that experts are telling us this was a russian hack. they released some e-mails, not others. we don't know if they were doctored. we don't know all the fact as this the point. it is really troubling it seems like there was a hack and they're releasing information to try to influence an election. again, i think what's really important is senator sanders said this morning that we're going forward. he's going to do everything he can to elect hillary clinton president. >> for those sanders' supporters who say hillary clinton had an unfair advantage, though, is there some truth in that? >> no. we ran a fair campaign and we're proud of the campaign we ran sheechlt got 3 million more votes sheechlt put together a broad coalition of african-americans, latinos, seniors, asian-pacific islanders. she's proud of the campaign she ran. as she said, she's really proud of the campaign that sanders ran. he galvanized voters across this
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earlier this week? that is what hillary clinton's camp is arguing in a new statement. the trump campaign is not convinced. >> i can't think of bigger lies that. goes to show you what the dnc and clinton camp will do. they'll lie and do to win. they're leaking e-mails about bernie sanders and his jewish heritage, to be able to try to destroy him in the south. it's a rigged system. if a republican did that, they would be calling for people to bring out the electric chair. >> let's bring in howard dean, former vermont governor and dnc chair, msnbc contributor as well as elise jordan, former senior adviser to rand paul and msnbc political analyst. and my regulars, shall we say it? thank you for joining me. elise, we'll go ladies first here. you have a background in national security whachlt do you make of this? do you think there's any factual basis to this russia argument or is it a political ploy which mr. trump suggests or trump jr. suggested? >> well, the russian intelligence apparatus does have
ties to wikileaks and they released these documents. certainly there is evidence. and i think that these are ties that should be looked into. just because it is so dangerous to, you know, any appearance of impropriety on the part of the trump campaign. and i think that while nothing has been verified, it is quite telling that the only policy change that the trump campaign lobbied for at the gop convention last week was for changing the language on russia and on ukraine. and to say that we would not supply arms to the ukrainians, as they try to, you know, beat back russian aggression. i find that very telling in and of itself, that of all the policies our nation needs to grapple with, that one was the number one priority for the trump campaign. >> howard, do you agree with that? >> i do. and it's very frightening. there are a number of people, including his campaign -- trump's campaign manager, that not only have ties to the
ukrainians, the ukrainian puppets kicked out by the revolution, but they took money from victioior yanucovic. i think it's very, very dangerous. trump has often said he admired putin. the commonality here is that they are both authoritarians. more to the eukrainians liking, when paul manifort's firm has taken millions of dollars for yanukovich. this is pretty damn scary. >> look at those e-mails. those that were written, should they have been even written in the first place? >> no. >> is that the kind of
tit-for-tat, back and forth? >> no. that should not have happened. i think the chairman is responsible for this, whether she knew about it or not. when i was running the dnc we had the obama/clinton campaign. both were furious at me. the clinton people thought i was in obama's pocket and clinton's people thought i was in obama's pocket. you have to be tough and have to be fair. it's in the bylaws in the dnc. nobody is to take a position in the presidential race or in any primary. and when gabby -- she resigned, as she should have, from the vice chairmanship of the dnc. this should not have happened. i don't think it had a big impact. the dnc really does have to be neutral. i was very disappointed when i saw those e-mails. that is not the kind of thing that should be -- i don't think it had any effect on the race
whatsoever. it's just not the kind of thing that should happen. the dnc is supposed to be neutral and they should be neutral. >> when you say take responsibility, to the extent of having debbie wasserman-schultz resign? >> i'm with the person who was doing the clinton spokesman stuff earlier on the show. until i know all the facts i'm not going to call for somebody's reservation -- or resignation. from what i've read, i don't like it, it didn't look good. th is certainly an option. >> okay. elise, as you know, donald trump has gone on quite the twitter spree of bernie sanders the past 12 hours, some of which reads like he's defending sanders. do you think it's his attempt to win over sanders' supporters? does he have a shot at doing it? >> he has been making a huge play for bernie sanders' supporters. it's really actually kind of comical because i don't think no true bernie sanders' supporter
would ever go for an authoritarian like trump. sanders has said he thinks trump is a threat to democracy. he is putting his weight behind clinton for that very reason. i think these are just donald trump flailing around and trying for something that just really isn't there. >> okay. no chance to get blue collar workers, say, from western pennsylvania? >> you know, may -- there's always a chance, but i think if you are a true hard core bernie sanders supporter, listening to sanders, watching sanders, is part of his revolution, you are probably going to listen to bernie sanders when he says donald trump is a threat to democracy. >> okay. elise jordan and howard dean, thank you so much. appreciate your time. >> thank you. donald trump made comments on ""meet the press"" today about his muslim ban and how he wants to expand it.
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