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the way you got it. jason johnson, coleen and that's "hardball" for now. i'll see you back here tomorrow night. have a good night tonight. tonight on all in. >> i want our party to be the home of the african-american voter once again. >> the trump outreach continues. >> i was very moved by his comment. >> as the ap drops a bombshell racism and talk of religious war in staff's online post. tonight, what to make of the latest republican outreach. can trump etch-a-sketch on immigration? >> who is going to pay for the wall? >> why donald trump just delayed his big border speech. >> new depths in the hillary
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clinton health smears. >> go online and put down hillary clinton illness and look for yourself. >> i just get the feeling we're going to win in a landslide. >> an election map gut check when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. less than a week since donald trump's big campaign shake-up, his latest attempt to reboot as a kind ler gentler candidate, it raises in the campaign. >> and from 50 paid staffers they found posts of racism and talk of religious war. call for secretary of state john kerry to be hanged and readiness for a possible civil war. a similar review of clinton's staff accounts and 19,000 hacks dnc e-mail turned up nothing of
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note. this comes as trump has been trying to repair his loathesome image with a direct pitch to african-american voters that their lives are so miserable, things couldn't possibly get worse with trump as president. >> what do you have to lose by trying something new, like trump? what do you have to lose? you are living in poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs. >> you have 40% that are living in poverty, 58% of the students -- i mean the young people, they can't get jobs. it's just like a total catastrophe, the unemployment rate, everything is bad, no healthcare, no education, no anything. >> poverty, rejection, horrible education. no housing, no homes, no ownership, crime at levels nobody has seen. you can go to war zones in countries that we're fighting
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and it's safer than living in some of our inner cities. >> by the way, that last part about crime at levels nobody has ever seen is flatly completely empirically false. but when it comes to wooing black voters, trump has his work cut out for him. after first demanding the president of the united states produce his papers, then launching a campaign with a slur about mexican immigrants and banning muslims and avowed white supremists. he has just 17% of non-white registered voters overall in the nbc news poll. at african-americans, he's at a rock bottom 1%. on top of his bigoted remarks he dismisses criminal justice high priority and instead discussing voter fraud and crime in coded terms. >> the only way we could lose, in my opinion, i really mean this, pennsylvania, is if cheating goes on, if in certain sections of the state, they
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cheat. the problem in our poorest communities is not that there are too many police, the problem is there are not enough police. >> while he's trying to deliver a somewhat more inclusive message the past week, trump sent a different signal by hiring bannon, from bartbrit. it even has a discreet tag for articles related to quote-unquote black crime. bannon embraces the racial politics proudly telling mother jones, we're the platform for the theality -- alt-right. even his running mate, mike pence can't take him seriously. >> he says by 2020 he will have 25% of the african-american support.
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why are you laughing? >> that's donald trump. he has a heart for every american. he's a truth teller. >> many observers noticed trump's pitch to african-americans has been delivered to almost all white audiences, in michigan and wisconsin. not for opportunity, trump has turned down invitations to address predominantly black audiences including the naacp and association of the black journalists. poster kellyanne conway alluded to the intended recipients of trump's message. >> those comments are for all americans. i live in a white community. i'm white. i was very moved by his comment. he is trying to tell americans we can do better. >> joining me now former rnc chairman, michael steele and ceo of endeavor strateies a firm that represented breitbart news
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until recently and author of "black ethnics" in pursuit of the american dream. michael, let me start with you. you have this thing going on, making this punitive approach. this is him in akron tonight, telling his supporters and has this line, you know what i mean, watch him carefully to watch the polls on election day. take a listen. >> you have to get every one of your friends, you've got to get every one of your family you have to get everybody to go out and watch and go out and vote. when i say watch, you know what i'm talking about, right? you know what i'm talking about. i think you have go out and watch. >> what's he talking about, michael? >> hell if i know. i think we know. i think is there a not so subtle inference there is a stacking of
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the deck for certain communities whether in philadelphia or baltimore city and detroit and michigan, ludicrous on its face. the rest of that argument goes to the point he's trying to get his base vote to turn out because at the end of the day, regardless how you cut this thing, needs at a minimum for that base to be there for him. to stoke it and massage it and get to that point, that's what a lot of this hot rhetoric does. it's unfortunate. both paries have engaged in it over the years and he's more blatant and more direct about it, oddly enough. >> let me talk to you about breitbart. you had a contract with them and represented them and you left. you don't have particularly kind things to say about steve bannon.
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in terms of steve bannon's politics, a guy heading this campaign. a thing that goes on a website that creates a black crime tag, to me, says a lot what that website views itself as doing. >> i think is there an alignment between steve and donald trump, which is why donald put steve in this position to be the ceo of his campaign. why we're seeing the coded language we have become all too familiar with donald trump on the campaign trail that fits perfectly in linement what steve believes and direction he thinks the country should take. it's dangerous. and at the end of the day to think they could have outreach to african-americans by saying the right things. at the end of the day, people want policies and solutions. there is a whole generation of african-americans wiped out because of poverty and crime situations they're trapped in. if republicans want to make serious in-rin-roads, they have talk about things and not
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blaming the worst and trying to get ahead politically. >> i think the politics in the obama era continue to be the main theme of american politics, probably from the first moment of jamestown. in fact, read the letter the captain of the ship wrote about indians and av vages. at one level, african-americans have not been the group donald trump has attacked or said bigoted statements about. it has mostly been immigrants and muslims and yet the support among that group is very low, because when we talk about coded messages, my sense is those voters are hearing what voters on the other side are hearing. >> first things first. the history of america is
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history of race and racism. when donald trump talks about immigrants or muslim, a lot of black americans are so used to if you're talking about one group, you're also talking about black americans. there is a certain level of solidarity we hear these dog whistles, most white americans will never hear. that's first. this non-genuine attempt to speak to black americans, he's a business owners. we do know blacks are the most savvy in this country and have shown up in the past three cycles. >> and black women will out-turn out any. >> he recognizes it or someone in that asylum gets it, right? for him to make this statement about black americans, if you were genuine in your attempts getting this vote, why don't you say, i've been a business owner x number, 40 years, i hired this
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many women, this many people of color and percentage of people who have gone on to own business, he hasn't done that because he's a failure. this is a loose attempt to make white americans feel better about voing for him and not seem like blatant racisms or homophobes or about immigrants. >> you don't want to seem like racist, whatever the racial attitudes of say a white college educated woman of the georgia suburbs, wherever she fits on the scale of her politics about race or crime she doesn't want to feel associated with the klan, right? she doesn't want to feel like she's voing for someone and avowed rights -- part of that is this appeal. what i think is so interesting about what's happening in terms of how this is being communicated, mitt romney lost asian-americans in a huge percentage. they're the largest growing population.
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it wasn't like he had anti-asian immigration rhetoric, right? it was the fact that there's an understanding what the political constituenies in the country are such that people are finding themselves on the other side. donald trump is exacerbaing whatever he is saying at these rallies. >> that's a big part of what we've seen unfold in our political rhetoric for quite some time. not just in this race. you can take it back to some of its origins to the 2000 campaign you started to divide the country up by color, red states versus blue states, et cetera. this idea has been allowed to fester for some time. donald trump comes along and has exploited it very well in many case, at least successfully enough to get through a primary process in which no other republican had a counter argument, i found absolutely stunning. this is the space we're now in. what is going to be very interesting, really, to
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christina's point, how this resonates not just beyond, because we know the message goes beyond the community of color he's talking to, african-americans, more important, how do black women, who are the backbone of the vote in the black community, how do they then articulate that going forward to really put the pressure out there to say, you know what, we ain't stupid, we need a little bit more than just your ciing the statistics. >> this is one question i have, we will talk about it in a moment, immigration policy. is your sense that he has earned it with the breitbart crew enough he can say whatever he wants at this point and they believe trump is with them? are there any hereies he couldn't cross and lose this white national list base? >> you saw a little bit of maybe the limitations of his relationship with that audience this week as it came out perhaps he was chaning his mind how he
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was going to deal with deportation and out of a sudden the immigration speech gets postponed and pushed back because that audience feels so ludicrously passionate about some of these issues it doesn't matter who the figure is, they could potentially turn on you in a dime. remember, some of these leaders elected in the 2010 tea party wave and put in these key positions are no longer with us. i think trump realized very quickly and his campaign realized very quickly as he maybe made that pivot not being on the deportation, the brakes got put on really quick and he comes out with charged rhetoric, trying to change the story to hillary clinton and some of her challenges. that's the formula. >> are the margins going to hold, do you think, given the trajectory of all this, 1%, 2% numbers, do those things seem plausible to you as a political scientist? >> as a scholar with no job, no education, nonous, just an ivy
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league ph.d., that's okay. they will hold. he's been feeding his audience red meat and he cannot turn back. the same man who says the streets are dangerous and you know what that means. he constantly has this urban rationalized language. knew can't dog whistle without the other people hearing it. people understand the coded language is. >> at the same time, saying he wants to keep the police militarized. that's a major issue of black americans who live in cities. we look at the map, blue states, red states, they're all red states, blue ciies in red states. do you have enough blue ciies in the red states to flip it blue? he loses in the 270 race. >> thank you all for joining me. still to come, as rudy guilliani ascends the ranks to donald trump's inner circle, look at what he did to get there.
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his elusive immigration policy right after this two minute break.
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we're going to build a wall, folks, we're going to build a wall. we're going to build a wall. don't worry, we're going to build a wall. that wall will go up so fast your head will spin. and you'll say, you know, he meant it. you know what else i mean? mexico is going to pay for the wall. >> it has been one of the few quasi consistenies of his campaign from the moment he drifted down that elevator, donald trump repeatedly vilified immigrants, and so much that the ones who went to his rallies repeat the phrase and build the wall and finish his sentences about who will pay for it. he has been uncompromiing in advocacy of who will pay for it and to remove 11 million
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undocumented immigrants in the u.s. there seem to be a few signs his positions are starting to shift. after meeting with a group of spanish leaders, they were optimistic and teamed to think he would modified. i really liked that trump acknowledged that there is a big problem with 11 million people here and deporting them is neither possible nor humane. >> and his new manager, marianne might be part of that. >> he would implement his new plan as president of the united states. >> will that plan be the kind you just heard in that sound bite and he talked about during the republican primaries? >> to be determined. >> even the hands of a possible pivot on immigration sent him to fox news to say he was not flip-flopping but has no specifics where he currently stands. >> i will tell you, we're dealing with people.
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we have to be very firm and very very strong when people come in illegally. we have a lot of people that want to come in through the legal process, not fair for them. we're working with a lot of people in the hispanic community to try and come up with an answer. >> just in case the message wasn't clear, eric trump also dispatched to assure supporters there was no softening on immigration. >> my father hasn't flip flopped on anything. this was the auspices of an article that didn't come out in any substance. my father will be making a big speech on thursday and talking about the specifics. >> turns out we won't be getting the specifics on his immigration policy any time soon. trump's big speech planned for this thursday in the formerly background state now called off. and documenting the confusion, his piece is entitled soling the mystery of donald trump's immigration policy. you've been covering immigration a while and trump for a while.
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what do you think is going on here? >> immigration is indeed one of trump's signature issues. you played the clip, build the wall, build the wall, make mexico pay for it. trump talked about building the wall a lot but vague and flexible what to do with people already here. why does this matter? you probably heard the most about the wall following his campaign. if you covered the immigration debate in 2013, by far the biggest issue was legal status or path to citizenship or no legal status for undocumented immigrants. if you went to democrats and said, we'll give you a deal, we'll build donald trump's wall and in exchange we'll give you a path to citizenship, they would almost certainly take it. in fact, it was put in there just to bring in republican voters. trump doesn't seem to understand that. >> extremely militarized weaponry to be deployed to the border as well.
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>> exactly. they were going to double the border patrol and add another 20,000 people. the basic for democrats is the equivalent of land for peace as a basis of the israeli peace talks, enforcement as the based for all -- basis for all immigration bipartisan. if it's just money, just money we don't care, we'll take the rest as part of this deal. trump does not have a strong working knowledge of these kind of subtleties. he kind of cannonballed into the debate late, as late as 2013 and 2012, he sounded like he might be pro immigration reform and only relatively recent during his presidential campaign we started hearing this talk of mass deportations and deporting entire families. he met with a group of dreamers in 2013 and they came away like the hispanic republicans who met with trump this week convinced he's on their side. this is not an issue he has
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thought about all that much compared to a border wall. >> what is hilarious to me, darkly comical, i suppose, is watching him try to square the circle everybody working in this area, reporting on it, thinking about it, legislaing on it has been trying to square for years. all these problems have been on it. i covered the mccain fight in 2006 and '07 and you in 2013, all this stuff is tough and thorny and doesn't have easy solutions and like a college kid with a speech deadline thursday, we won't work this out in time. >> exactly. if you were covering his debate, like pulling teeth to get answers out of so many lawmakers on what their position was on do people who came here illegally get to stay? senator ted cruz maintained tot appleiity on this for years. only when touched by trump and all these people have to leave
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the mitt romney self-deportation position, this is an area people choose their words very carefully. trump is not one of those guy, shoots from the hip and explains it later and now getting into real problems he does not have a policy that particularly makes sensor fits together on this issue. >> and david, taunting trump who had attacked for his deportation rhetoric is he will end up painting himself in the same corner because it's the only way to pull all these various threads together in a way that makes any remote policy sense. >> this is one of those ironic things here. before trump announced he would have this deportation that rounds up everyone and in under two years you can get rid of all 11 million undocumented immigrants, basically no one was calling for that, even the group opposed to the gang of eight. >> even the hard core -- >> that was basically, their idea we won't give quote-unquote
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amnesty and hopefully if we make it harder for them to live there, they'll live. he ignored it and went further and much tougher to walk it back and you end up with a very confuing policy. >> benjy, thank you. >> he had a feeling he would win in a landslide and why the numbers do not agree in an electoral gut check ahead.
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. hillary clinton's healthy is now a full-scale fringe internet conspiracy theory along the same level as the 2008 insanity sarah palin didn't actually give birth to her own baby that made the rounds during that presidential
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cycle, thanks andrew sullivan for that. the difference is the palin nonsense was never put front and center by the actual campaign of barack obama. in this election cycle by alex jones and pedalled by sean hanny tin segment after excruciaing segment by assorted doctors and donald trump himself when you talk about hillary clinton's sleeping. >> let me just say, she's totally protected. i've never seen anything like it. >> by the media. >> she doesn't do that much. gives a speech on the teleprompter and goes home and i think she sleeps. >> donald trump #it, where's hillary clinton, sleeping? they do it as if it were an actual thing. >> she doesn't have the strength or stamina for a very long time. that part is nothing new. what's new are the other reports of the observations of hillary
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clinton's behavior and mannerisms. >> reports and observations. >> one of the most zealous pushers of the health conspiracy theory appears to be guiliani of new york. just how far guiliani has fallen, right? after the break.
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several signs of illness by her. all you've got to do is go online. >> her campaign and a number of people defending her saying there is nothing factual to the claims about her health and
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that's speculation at best. >> so go online and put down hillary clinton illness and take a look at the videoses for yourself. >> let me google that for you, rudy guiliani speaking about hillary clinton even when he wasn't asked about her health and the anchor is fact checking in real-time, a tactic he employed this morning. >> i think hillary's tired, i do. when i saw hillary at the press conference sitting down with the police -- with the democrat appointed police chiefs pretending she's pro police, one of the most pathetic press conference is have ever seen. first, she looks sick. >> this is the gotch-you video during which hillary clinton was sitting with law enforcement officials as was everybody else. it would have been weird if she were standing. it's worth noing on the spectrum of change, guiliani is pretty far along not just health conspiracy theories, defending trump's most bigoted policy
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positions pointed out by cobb. what do you mean by the appalling last act. >> this is a quick preface point. one of the interesting things new yorkers remember, guiliani was supposed to challenge hillary clinton for that senate seat and he pulled out because of his health. >> that's right. >> that's true. i forget about that. >> he had a projection of prostate cancer, to give you health projection going on here. the other case with him is there were -- he was an abrasive person, a polariing person when he was mayor here. certainly, there were many african-americans who were off putt by his inability to recognize excessive force by police officers and there were many things you had to give him credit on, redeeming qualities. when proposition 187 happened in california, which would have denied crucial social services and emergency services and paramedics to people in the country undocumented immigrants,
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guiliani said that was inhumane, not once but three different times. >> here is a quote in 1996 on immigration. the anti-immigration issue that's now sweeping the country is in my view no different than in the past the no nothing movement that were movements that were fear formers to stop immigration. a long way from deportation. >> one of the other things he did people didn't remember, right after 9/11, when there were these reports of people of arab descent or muslim being targeted and attack, guiliani spoke out against that vocally, and now to come full circle and to have embedded himself essentially with the most prominent zene -- zenaphobe in american history. >> everyone in the trump orbit
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ends up diminished or humiliated by the experience. chris christie seems to have wisely distanced himself after he didn't get the vp slot. everyone was covering the way christie seemed to be like the errand boy. now, you have guiliani. something about the magnetic political force of donald trump, darkly magnetic, when you get in the orbit, you end up in the vortex. >> right. what's interesting, even recently, guiliani had spoken out against some of trump's policies, which was that in may, when trump was talking about creaing the ban on muslim immigration, guiliani said that would violate the first amendment and unnecessary. then, a few months later he was saying, well, perhaps i would consider leading the commission that trump says he wants to put together on this issue. >> what is also striing to me aside from telling people to
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google, you can tell them to google control demolition in building 7. >> or area 51. >> as dave wigle pointed out in a different tweet. >> guiliani is sort of the republican party being held together essentially focused on hillary animus. what he gets passionate about is that part of the equation. >> that election he never got to run in. one of the more interesting things about him is he does not have any constituency he has to appeal to. he does not have to worry about the rnc pulling funds from his re-election campaign, none of these things. i think he is desperate for relevance at this point. >> that bruise you saw guiliani addressing was the result of an injury sustained in circumstances not quite unclear and it would be sort of appalling for me to sit on television and stowgt people that they speculate or google about that.
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guiliani cop. >> my god, seriously. >> that was quite a slip. coming up, we have to look how the trump campaign is spending its money and a detail you should know more about after this break. .
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thing 1 tonight, the trump campaign filed their july fund-raising report friday submitting it just minutes before the deadline. the campaign is bringing in money with $36 million in donations the highest yet still less than the clinton campaign's $52 million haul. the trump campaign spent $18 million, the highest monthly tally yet still lower than $52 -- $38 million by clinton. are they doing what's needed for national a campaign? not yesterday. they spent$4 million in july and
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clinton spent $61 million on tv ads. the trump campaign staff and field organizers increased by six people in june to 82 people compared to over 700 paid clinton staffers. if they weren't on the air or beefing up staff, what did the trump campaign spend its money on? that is thing 2 in 60 seconds.
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the trump campaign spent more in july than any previous months since trump launched his campaign of $18 million and none subsequent to tv ads and added just six staff members. where did the money go? the bull tock raiing more money, bulk of it went to raising more money. 45% went to the advertising. you may have teen ads like this soliciting donations or this on breitbart's website. that strategy, spending money to raise more money is similar to the ben carson model spending
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money on fund-raising. we know where that got him. others were$3 million for travel, nearly 800,000 to reimbursed trump-owned companies and $1.8 million on merchandise like trump hats more than twice as much as spent on staff. perhaps the strangest expenditure was $20,000 that went to a cnn contributor a man being paid by that network to give his analysis while also receiing a check from trump's a campaign. we're talking about ousted campaign manager corey lewandowski who received his regular $20,000 fee on july sixth, two weeks after he was jettisoned and hired as a cnn political commentator. which is strange. the trump campaign told the "washington post" the payment was for work lewandowski did weeks before leaing the campaign. since it has been reported lewandowski still talks to trump regularly and gives him advice i
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wouldn't be surprised if he were paid for his work next month as well. nice work if you can get it.
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i've got to say, these headlines were so stark they even caught my attention last week. at na announces it will pull out of obamacare after trying to stop them from buying humana. and obamacare pulled out of several markets, come 2017, four states, alaska, alabama, south carolina, wyoming will be down to one obamacare in those exchanges and one community, pinal county in arizona will have online one after losing insurers. what happens with obamacare and what can be done to fix it? slate amazing, jim newal talks about that. i was on vacation and saying this doesn't look good, feeling
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generally about it. what's your assessment? >> i think aetna sparked talk simmering. earlier united and humana dropped out of a lot of markets at once. it seems like it's an opportunity for republicans to say the law has failed completely and needs to be gotten rid of right now. that's not true. in most parts of the country it's working really well but rural areas they have sicker and elderly populations they can't make money and backing out because they have limited options. the problem is though you're seeing movement at the top of the democratic party, president obama and hillary clinton come out for a public option and list of other fixes for this, you're not hearing much from democrats down the ballot still fighting this on the battleground the republicans are trying to eliminate the law completely and we need to defend what we have here. it looks like this law is coming for fixes not unusual, big
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legislature requires legislative maintenance but something that has to be considered more thoroughly gotten down to a list of a few possible fixes before next year. >> so that's the question. this is normal, the legislation has legislative fixes, a lot of times things are creaky and parts of it work and parts of it don't. the problem fundamentally, there doesn't seem to be any interest by republicans to fix the law. you have to have some buy in before you have a legislative fix. that seems absent. what's going to happen? >> it's a tricky spot. since republicans haven't bought in yet you have to defend and point out the good things the law has done but can't see this entire rhetorical terrain to them, they're saying there are these flaws an it is doomed, you say it's done these great things and ignore the flaws that are there, not the majority of the program that are still there, a tricky need toll go through.
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it's probably a little more helpful, there are some states, senate race, arizona you mentioned being pummeled by some of these insurers leaving, the democratic candidate there being attacked on this a lot. doesn't necessaily want to talk about it a lot. in north carolina i asked where there's one insurer for most of the state next year. the senate candidate there if she would support a public option or other remedies and the subject was changed to a message defending medicare. i understand the difficulty of it but, you know, the book is sort of being reopened with good metaphors used in this story. >> democrats have to be proactive about making the law as good as it possibly can be and spell that out. jimnewell, a great piece. thanks. >> thanks. gut check and the truth behind the tightened national polls after this break.
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these are very greedy people. these are people that have skirted the law for a long time. hard to believe that, you know, somebody like this has a good chance, fairly good chance at being president, although you look at the most recent polls, i think things are turning rather rapidly. >> in an interview this morning on fox and friends, donald trump, as he often does, exaggerated his poll position it. 's true he has seen a recent improvement. clinton was up eight points august 10th and that lead down to 5 1/2.
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there is a discrepancy between national and state polls. national race shows the race tightening but state polls don't. three state polls shows trimp loing to clinton. 11 points in virginia. do marginal state polls mean anything when other polls show him still behind. let me start with you. what is the sense of the degree to which there should be a lock-step relationship between national polling and what we see in battleground state polling. >> what we saw was a really tight race between mitt romney and barack obama, the state polls showed barack obama easily winning the electoral college and the state polls were right. if you were to do a study, we know the state polling, when you
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add it all together gives you a more accurate idea what will happen on election day, not just states themselves but tally them up by population, what will happen as a whole. >> that is fascinating. what is so interesting, you can never convince someone to run an experiment in an election one side didn't campaign and one did to study what the effects of the campaign are. you're basically getting that. things might change. the clinton campaign, 200 people in ohio and spent all this money on ads and donald trump spent nothing. >> that's why i personally believe in full disclosure. my daughter is a regional organizer for hillary clinton. >> exactly. she's doing this work, work my brother did for years. >> maybe it's meaningless. >> we will find out. >> we will find out. that's why i'm so confident the state polls are more reliable, as harry said, and the gaps could be bigger because the ground game she has in ohio, in north carolina, in virginia is
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really formidable. he's doing almost nothing. we heard about the 12-year-old running for office for donald trump in colorado. god bless 12 year-olds, it's great, we like youth. political scientists will have a lot to study and maybe all learn it doesn't matter. i don't think so. >> let's take a look because you raise this. it is the best curio of the day for the campaign. here is the aforementioned 12-year-old running a county for donald trump. >> in one of the most important elections of our lifetime. >> i understand you signed up to volunteer for the trump campaign. >> in one of the most important counties for the state, the donald trump campaign is relying on 12-year-old ruston. >> i am the campaign manager for the donald trump campaign. >> we found him putting on final touches in the jefferson field office where volunteers will gather to get out the vote. >> a real news report. >> one thing we should note is
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you do have a situation in which the state paries are running a lot of the field operation, right? not like there's no one knocking on doors in the state of georgia, not like there's no voter contact happening in the state of north carolina, just not that it's not being done for the campaign, maybe the state paries do enough of that they can replace it. >> a real question, what has the minimal level. jefferson county where "south park" takes place. feels like this is out of "south park," this entire campaign. i do wonder whether or not the state paries can do enough. it's very clear the clinton campaign is vastly outorganizing. i do believe the state pohls that show hillary clinton doing better than she's doing nationally may be a reflection of that at this point. >> that is the big question and the fact we've seen they pulled out of virginia and colorado. once you start doing the state math, those numbers, one
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interesting task for me was we will see collapse when they pull their ad money out of those two states and so far they haven't. >> it's only ad money, they haven't pulled the organizers out. >> good point. so far they're still making calls. >> they're absolutely working in those states but ad buying drying up. >> now the question do we see the move of ad money into arizona and georgia, would show the most confident projection? >> expanding the map, the things the obama team said they were going to do in 2012 didn't quite do but, you know -- >> they started in 2008 with georgia. >> right. >> they staffed up georgia early on and beaten back in retreat when the polling didn't materialize. >> if they can move in arizona we know the senate polling is close, john mccain running a little bit ahead. that could be a state they put another state on the map as ohio has drifting away from ted strickland and maybe you could get the 50 seats you need if hillary clinton gets the presidency and if you have the senate makes confirming a supreme court justice easier.
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>> do we have tracking on what advertising is doing to polling. there's a lot of ads dropped in key battleground states that maybe those are having a real effect as well. it's so one-sided. >> already, yeah. >> i would say, when you see a state like new hampshire much closer before the convention and hillary clinton jumping out to a huge lead there and donald trump in his initial advertising isn't even going into new hampshire. this is a real sign this may in fact be working. >> it is so limited. >> it is so limited. and the ads have been devastating. >> that's not going to work. >> thanks for joining us, good to have you. that is "all in" for this evening. good to be back. rachel is next. >> missed you terribly. >> too kind. >> did you have a wonderful time? >> i did. >> did you talk to your family in ways that didn't involve the mediation of the television
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screen? >> we did. we talked human to human, they're a fun bunch. >> you will miss them when you come back to this job. we did miss you. >> as well this hour, thanks for being with us, happy monday. today is a weird day in the news. back to school time. i feel like to a certain extent, we're all wired for a back to school calendar, all of us who went to a normal school year growing up as kids. it always feels like this is the time of year things ought to be a little unsettling and changing. this part of the calendar year is always a little strange. i was expecting today to be a little strange and weird. i didn't expect it to be weird in the exact way it has turned out to be. the donald trump for president campaign continues to run against hillary clinton by insinuaing there's something terribly wrong and secretly wrong about her health. donald trump has been saying it repeatedly himself, criticiing

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