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the conservative right. this is not conservatism as we have known it. this is not republicanism as we have known it. these are racist ideas, race baiting ideas, anti-muslim, anti-women, all key tenants making up the emerging racist ideology known as the alt-right. all this it adds up to something we have never seen before. of course, there's always been a paranoid fringe in our politics. a lot of it arising from racial resentment, but it's never a normal e knee of a major party stoking it, encouraging it and giving it a national mega phone until now. >> joining us now is the national political reporter for "the new york times." nancy jyles, contribute for cbs news.
so here we are in what is the racial chapter of this campaign. >> we have been in the racial chapter of this campaign for some time. i think this has been an election that has shown how important people of color can be. bernie sanders lost the primaries because he couldn't do that. in this case, you have hillary clinton really going after donald trump in some of her strongest language yet. she said he built his campaign on paranoia and saying he's stroking the ego and mainstreaming really extremism here. i think we're really getting into a moment here where she and her campaign made the decision to go head on. no more beating around the bush. >> donald trump just says she's a bigot. and hillary clinton up there reciting back from donald trump's days working with his
father, preventing black people from renting in their buildings, putting a "c" for color ed makig sure their application was rejected. >> it's pretty damning. they had had to pay a fine to the justice department. the materials are there. one thing that i think might have gotten forgotten was some years ago when there was the central park incident and the five young men that were unfairly targeted, went to jail and donald trump took out a f l full-page ad urging the death penalty. these guys were innocent. they were railroaded. when they were released and the city had to pay them, he never backed down. the classic thing is the guy's actions and his words have really demonstrated where he stands, which is a pretty bigoted history. clearing the floor of black employees at the atlantic city
casinos. those remarks about not wanting black people counting his money. and can we just talk about that it you people, your schools are horrible, 50% of your youth, you're this. it's so insulting and damning and so lying. >> anderson cooper quoted him from interviews. donald trump said they don't think that. they are deeply frustrated. he's saying i want to hear donald trump talk about jobs. i want to hear donald trump talk about the economy. what i don't want to hear is going into crowds that are 99% white and pretty much pretending he's talking to ferns. that's why he's not really la
landing. >> here's what donald trump could do to land. i don't support him. what e he should do is go into african-american communities and listen to what their concerns are and say this is how i propose too deal with it. he's not interested in getting any sort of support. >> he's doing that in the conference room at trump tower. >> with ben carson, who is still representative of the african-american community. let's be honest. donald trump is damaging the republican party with the african-american community. now african-americans are looking at down-ballot republicans and saying what the heck is this? do they represent donald trump too? the majority of us don't. we disagree on policy. we don't empower the white nationalists, which are what the alt-right is and we don't believe they should be a legitimate movement. >> the gop kind of opened the door for someone like donald trump with their state by state voting rollbacks and extra positions on voting rights and attacks on women. >> democrats opened the door and
here's how. >> how did democrats open the door? >> 2008, 2004, 2012, you had many liberal commentators saying they are crazy. when we went out in 2016 and said donald trump is craze circumstances donald trump is dangerous, it was like the boy who cried wolf because we have a man who is dangerous and lacks the judgment and temperament to be tpresident. and everyone says the media says that all the time about every republican. >> let's take a listen with what the trump campaign is coming back with. they released this video reaching back into some history. we're going to see tim russert in this trump video talking about the 2008 presidential campaign when it was at the hillary clinton versus barack obama stage. let's listen to this video. >> when we arrived in south
carolina yesterday, this was the state newspaper. clinton camp hits obama, attacks painful for black voters. many ompded by criticism of obama and remarks about martin
luther king. >> dr. king's dream began to be realized when president johnson passed the civil rights act of 1964. >> it's as if you are minimizing "i have a dream." it took a white president to get blacks to the mountain top. >> the damage between the clintons and african-american might be irreparable. >> obama's support among hard working americans, white americans is weakening. >> clinton said a few years ago this guy would have been getting us cou coffee. >> the comments to a newspaper that if obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. >> clinton campaign doesn't want to change the tone. they are defending this and therefore, is their strategy. >> that's the last time there was any kind of racial tension in the democratic primary. >> here's the issue. it's a powerful video. i think if it was jeb bush or someone else, it could
mark. but donald trump was the leader in the face of the birther moment, saying that our president who was born in the united states wasn't born in this country and attacking his credibility. he's also been someone who people have said and nationalists that i have talked to on the phone are praising and happy he's going to be the republican nominee. he has so many issues having to deal with race and having to deal with that that he can't attack hillary clinton effectively. i should say this goes back to his idea of credibility. it's one thing if he could point to hillary clinton and say you flip-flopped and always changing your mind. except he is too. that's what voters are saying. we want to believe that hillary clinton, that donald trump really cares about us. we want him to do this. but it falls flat because the people he's trying to reach are saying you're the same. >> the people he's trying to reach, hillary clinton is smart in her speech. she didn't have to offer any
spin. she cited the facts. if you look at the rally last night where trump used the bi t bigoted term, the woman's face behind him went wide. she knew that was wrong. it's pushing away independent and moderate leaning republican women. >> it's also just nuts. i think there's a psychological term projective identification. he's taking his attributes, throwing them on hillary clinton and hating them on someone else outside of him. i keep going back to the fact that a lot of the problems that he describes going on in the african-american community, a big step forward would be people having access to really great housing. here's this great builder of luxury housing whose fortune started with discrimination against people of color. i find that appalling, absolutely appalling. he has no ground to stand on to call anybody anything when that's his background. >> when that video is back to
2008 it has to go back 2008 and it finds the low point in the obama/clinton competition of that year. and then it ignores every day of history since then. barack obama wins. he chooses her as his secretary of state. >> she accepts. >> she accepts. barack obama endorses her for the presidency. all of that gets ignored and this is the only thing that matters in their history, according to donald trump. >> that's what's problematic. you have president obama who apointed her secretary of state. he's going to be on air force one stumping for her. if there was any issues or lingering problems there, the fact that he's going to be on the trail for her says everything. as part of my reporting, i have talked to a lot of african-american employees in the trump campaign, there aren't many, the ones i have talked to are really wanting him to go into these spaces. it's not just voters and people on tv saying we'd like you to go
to these places. his director has been quoted saying we're going to put him in these spaces. when he said he didn't want to go to the naacp or national urban league, the people within his campaign were pushing him to do those appearances. this is really a candidate issue. this is donald trump saying he doesn't want to listen to the advisers who know what they are talking about. >> what was his reasons for not going? it's so cowardly to me. >> he likes his safe spaces. let's be honest. he feels comfortable in the the white crowds that are adoringly cheering anything he says. he can go out and quite literally eat a baby on live tv and his fans would love it. and it's just preposterous. >> base odden my reporting, when i interviewed the naacp and national urban league, they either got ignored or told it was a scheduling issue and donald trump didn't have the time. when i talked to the campaign, they say he was in a phase where
he was focusing on the human race and didn't want to pander as hillary clinton does and now he's pivoting to talk about each community. >> now he's ready to pander. >> that's the campaign's logic. >> a quick break right here. when we come back, we're going to hear how disappointed ann is in the softening this week. we'll be right back. is 2pages long. did you read every word? no, only lawyers do that. so when you got rear-ended and needed a tow, your insurance company told you to look at page five on your policy. did it say "grt news. you're covered!" on page five? no. it said, "blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah..." the liberty mutual app with coverage compass™ makes it easy to know what you're covered for and what you're not. liberty stands with you. liberty mutual insurance.
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deputy campaign manager for martin o'malley's campaign. ann coulter is brokenhearted over the softening. and she's hoping the possible hardening is right around the corner. but trump tonight was trying to have it both ways. he was trying to say that he didn't ever want to say i'm not going to deport those people, but he didn't want to say they were going to stay and he kind of wrestled it out with anderson cooper and where are we? >> it's a lot of hypocrisy and insults and just stupidity. that's what we get from donald trump any time he rolls out some sort of policy. so it's basically bigoted double speak. she's going to get her way. he's not going to move away from his base that he's been really
focusing on. so there's nothing new here. he's pretty much, like i said before, he's baked in his latino vote and african-american vote. so what he's doing is just like a wink, a smile, he's going to double down with his base and then he's going to try and soften up the softening is making himself look better amongst these white voters. these independent, these moderates, that should be in the republican column, but he's hemorrhage iing with them becau of the racist things he said in the last 14 months. >> so part of the softening, it seems, in tr the trump campaign minds includes what they think is reaching out to african-american voters. and let's listen to anderson cooper talking to donald trump tonight about the question of is hillary clinton bigoted, which is the other way donald trump seems to be trying to reach out to these voters.
let's listen to this. >> how is she bigoted? >> she's selling them down the tubes. she's not doing anything for those communities. she talks a good game. >> so she has hatred? >> her policies are bigoted because she knows they are not going to work. >> you're saying she's personally bigoted. >> of course, she is. >> do you want to translate that for us? what was that? >> i think what you just heard was donald trump really trying his best to at least kind of attack hillary clinton in the idea the democrats have had this history of having african-americans overwhelmingly support them. some people are frustrated. i talked to african-american democrats frustrated with how whether or not african-american life has gotten better. the issue is that he is trying his best to kind of just come back at this idea that he's a bigot. to do that, he has to some way spin that and make it seem his opponent is a bigot. the people he's trying to appeal to, mainly african-americans and
hispanics and people of color, they don't see this as something that's authentic. they think this is him winking at his base. >> nancy, he seems to be taking a position that no other republican has ever taken. and no democrat has ever taken, which is african-americans' lives, all of them, are completely dependent on government action. he talks about taking care of you. and he will do that. >> it's so insulting and demeaning and such big, fat lie. he paint this is dystopian vision of unemployed, bad schools, there are real issues that exist. don't get me wrong. there are problems within communities and there is police brutality and there are all kinds of. gaps with income, but he inflates his numbers and he paints this picture that not only do i think is kind of a wink to maybe a more moderate thinking followers that this is
a man that cares about african-americans, but i also think it's a scary kind of bell ringing for the people who think african-americans are out of control trying to kill cops, need to be subdued. it would make frightened people want to get armed. it's just so ugly and so demeaning and yuck. >> he has a new position tonight on the white supremacist vote. this came out in a local tv interview in new hampshire today. this is 8 seconds. listen carefully. >> i don't at all. not at all. this is not about hate. this is about love. >> breaking news, he doesn't want the white supremacist vote. >> yeah, okay. so here's the thing, lawrence. donald trump was sued for housing discrimination.
he was the spokesperson for the birther movement, which was not only insulting to the office of the presidency but to the first african-american president and it was racist. also as you guys were saying, he bills this urban black community as a hell hole. then he went after a mexican judge thinking that, oh, you know what, his heritage is going to be bias towards me. so if you ask -- if you take donald trump's name off of all those comments and you ask a black person, just like, hey, what do you think about these comments, they would say, you know what, this person is racist. that's where we are with donald trump. it's the words that he's using. it's documented. that's why hillary clinton's speech today was so scathing because all she had had to do was, a, go on to breitbart's website and look at the headlines and there you have it.
and look at documentation out there of donald trump. >> all she had to do was use his own words and actions. i can't underscore this enough. this guy's money came from housing practices and how having a good home and a place to live. and he lied about it with the interview. he said, no, it was all settled. we didn't have to pay. it's actually kind of scary to see how quickly he could turn the truth. >> one of the things i really have been trying to get at when i talk to pollsters, one said to me, one of the things that's problematic is not just the fact that he's really angering african-american, but there are white people listening. they are the voters, moderate republicans listening. that's where the polls are. this is why the polls look the way they look. because those people are the ones that their decision is saying we thought maybe we could
get behind this guy. we didn't want to vote for hillary clinton because i have african-american friends. that's really what's hurting him here. as much as he's rallying his base, it's really hurting him not just for people of color. . this whole week we have been talking about how african-americans feel. suburban white people are looking at this and shaking their head just as hard. >> a quick break. we'll be right back. using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the fruit... veggies... and herbs needed to create a pop-up pick-your-own juice bar in the middle of the city, so now everyone knows... we have some of the freshest juice in town. see what the power of points can do for your business. learn more at chase.com/ink
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i am asking for your vote so that we can achieve amazing things. we can be greater than ever before. we are going to create jobs like i have never seen. >> together we will make america prosperous again and wealthy again. >> that was donald trump in new hampshire today. the "wall street journal" survey ed all of the former members of the white house council of economic advisers. 45 economists served ushd the past eight presidents. the journal reports among 17 republican appointees who responded to the inquiries exactly none said that they supported donald trump. also a report from citigroup is reporting the possible impact of
a donald trump presidency saying it could lead to a recession. joining me is an. column for the "washington post." he's never been very specific about how he would make our heads spin. >> he's going to make america great again. isn't that obvious? >> or a recession. one or the other. >> definitely a a recession. i mean, i think there's no reason to question this assessment or lack thereof from former council of economic advisers, economists. trump's trade war alone would cause a global recession. leaving aside the mass deportation of workers, leaving aside with e defaulting on national debt, returning to the gold standard, various other ideas he's put on the table. there have been other economists as well.
moodies estimated the cost of a trump presidency both in terms of what it would cost the federal budget and add like $14 trillion to our debt. but as well to the u.s. economy and the picture is not pretty because if you look at what textbook economics suggest we do, he's done the op sut of that or proposed the opposite. >> he would have to get almost everything he's talking about through a congress that has absolutely no loyalty to him. he will either have a republican speaker of the house who he has attacked and got into unnecessary fights with or he'll have nancy pelosi running the house meaning he'll get nothing. a very strong possibility now of democrats controlling the senate, which means he'll get none of these things. >> he could make a deal to save his life. he doesn't have to worry about anything. this is crazy pie in the sky stuff he's putting out. we have said as republicans, we ask him how. he's unable to explain it.
he doesn't know the nuances of policy. if it you think about it, look how offended e he gets at some people saying something about him on a show. he goes on twitter and goes crazy. the first time i understood that words have impact when i saw greenspan testifying before congress. i watched on market. >> what were you 4? >> i wish, i'm an old 33. but i watched the market dip. it was out of place. imagine what would happen if he tweets at 2:00 a.m. he could spark a recession from his own temper. >> not just tweeting, but his insinuations about what kinds of relationships we're going to have with our enemies let alone our allies. these kinds of geopolitical risks he's creating unforced errors to mag any fie, those have consequences too as well as human consequences. >> let's listen to what carlos
said today, former secretary of commerce under president bush. >> they are anti-immigrant, populism, protectionism, that is not the republican party i signed up for. and that is not the country i love. and right now what's important to me is the country and not going back 50 years from a social point of view. >> it seems it's going to be hard to compete at the microphone with donald trump for republican attention. >> that's exactly right. as we continue to see with donald trump, his policies incoherent. nobody understands what he's saying. he's not making any sense. it's expensive, as katherine just explained. he doesn't lay out how he would pay for this. and at the end of the day, you cannot run a government like a
business. because you have moral concerns to worry about. you have businesses go into bankruptcy, as we have seen from donald trump. he's gone into bankruptcy himself multiple times. so it's just cannot be done. a business is a for profit. it's about making money. and government you cannot do that with the government. >> we're going to have to take a quick break. polling information for hillary clinton that's looking pretty good. you're here to buy a car
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the democratic normminee is als leading donald trump in the latest suffolk university poll of michigan. that gives hillary clinton's 43.6%. donald trump, 37.2%. gary johnson, 5.4%. and jill stein, 2.8%. we're back with the panel. the polls are looking solid for hillary clinton, including in the states where it's just not supposed to be this way. north carolina, hillary clinton, 45%, donald trump, 45%. >> what i talk to democratic pollst pollster, it's becoming what state can we target next. they are pointing at states like utah where there are a lot of mormons wondering whether they can vote for donald trump because of his attacks on muslims. georgia, the democratic party there has been going door to door targeting specifically african-american voters infrequent voters. so the polls tell you that the democratic party is feeling really solid about hillary
clinton's ability to win this election and donald trump is someone who really loved talking about the polls. he's going to have to figure out how he's going to deal with this and spin this to make it look like he has a chance. >> the trump campaign is reportedly going after new york state where he's behind by 30 points. >> reportedly meaning pretending to. the polling information we have now may not be a landslide in terms of possessages, but it is a landslide in terms of electoral college. that gave him 100 more electoral votes than needed. >> it does look like at this point i hesitate to use blowout, but it looks pretty good. >> you can say if the election were held in the next ten minutes, this would happen.
>> and that's my hesitation always with polls. it's august. there's so much that can happen. and also i was saying on earlier today, i worked for lewis harris and associates when they were the main poll people. the king of polls. i remember the whole thing was getting through the polls getting the information for it to count. i hate to admit this, but there were times at night when to get the last poll person counted, even if it they hung up, i would give them a fill in demographic information. >> fudge it a little. >> so i look at the polls with a healthy grain of salt. >> good thing she's not doing the polls. now we can trust them. >> i just want to be honest. >> one thing that's really key is there have been no debates yet. i think the debates are going to be super bowl events in some ways because so many people are going to tune in. it's going to be a time for donald trump and hillary clinton to showcase what they can do.
one-on-one, it's going to advantage hillary clinton because she can go after him and see whether or not he can stand up to her and whether or not he can continue to be presidential. but on the other side, if he can be presidential and not go below the belt and show republicans that he can be presidential and has turned a corner with his new staff, that can change people's minds. >> if you're donald trump do you want a one-on-one debate or do you want gary johnson to get in there to help you out? >> you know, he's not had experience in a one-on-one debate. so on the one hand, you can argue that maybe that's not a format he will be comfortable in. but he will do better if there are more people on the stage to distract. but gary johnson has nowhere to go but up. gary johnson polls as well as the deceased gorilla, which suggests there are people so desperate for an option that is
neither trump or clinton that they will say i'll choose the joke candidate. >> basically he gets 15% of the vote he can be in the debates. >> but my point being if you are a candidate who actually presents an alternate vision that is not just a meme, you really have a large audience to capture. i feel like this is the libertarian party's moment to try to make their case. if gary johnson is on that stage and can make that case to a lot of people who are very eager to hear it, that's very bad for donald trump. >> another state that's supposed to be competitive. virginia, hillary clinton, 45%. donald trump, 34%. johnson, 11%. stein, 5%. what we're seeing is that when you include the other two candidates, it doesn't really change the electoral college outcome in that state. >> not really. i can't help but think that there's such a big part of
donald trump is his ego. that's like the biggest part of him. but the ego of him i think really would prefer just a one-on-one debate with hillary. i think there's a part of him that i can take her. i can show her up. which i think is completely absurd. but boy, is that going to be good tv. >> my sense is that one person in trump world that doesn't believe is donald trump. he knows that he has every right to fear those debates desperately. a quick break. we'll be right back. it's a supercomputer. with this grade of protection... it's a fortress. and with this standard of luxury... it's an oasis. introducing the completely redesigned e-class. it's everything you need it to be... and more. lease the e300 for $549 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz.
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disgusting animals. >> only rosy o'donnell. >> no it wasn't. >> short, tall, fat, ugly, my goodness. that happened in junior high. are we not way above that. >> i never attacked him on his look and, believe me, there's plenty of subject matter there. >> the simple fact is -- >> more energy tonight. i like that. >> i was asked the question. >> when he asked florida to have casino gambling, we said no. >> wrong. >> in an interview in rolling stone, donald trump said the following about you. look at that face, would anyone vote for that? can you imagine that, the face of our next president. trump later said he was talking about your persona. >> women heard very clearly what mr. trump said. [ applause ] >> i think she's got a beautiful face and i think she's a beautiful woman. i have to say this.
he hit my hands. nobody has ever hit my hands. look at those hands. are they small hands. and he referred to my hands, if they are small, something else must be small. i gauarantee you there's no problem. i guarantee. >> i beat hillary clinton in many polls. i beat hillary clinton in many polls. >> hold on, senator. >> i'm talking. >> this little guy has lied so much about my record. >> here we go with the personal stuff. he can't help himself. >> he's lied so much about my record. >> donald trump, a a man who whose insecurities are on full display, heen when he thinks they aren't. we'll be right back.
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prep. we know hillary clinton does. she will have debate prep. who should play donald trump in hillary clinton's debate prep? >> i go with elizabeth warren mainly -- >> excuse me? >> i completely think it's gender neutral, first of all. but elizabeth warren has really shown herself to really be someone who can attack and really launch pointed attacks. i think the other thing is she gets this idea of really understanding viral moments and understanding that. i also think because our reporting at the times that they are not the closest of friends. elizabeth warren has really kind of hit hillary clinton on taking big campaign donations. this isn't going to be tim kaine. >> so i have two nominations. one would be stephen colbert. he played a right-wing blow hard
on tv for a long time and he's fast on his feet. my second nomination is a little more unorthodox. i would go with anthony weiner. i think e he could do a great job. i don't know what he's exactly up to these days. the angry new yorker character. he's comfortable. he may have buried resentment about his wife's boss. but i think he would do a good job and i think he's probably the kind of person who wouldn't be worried about harming the long-term relationship with her in a way maybe elizabeth warren could be. >> the other advantage of being desperately available. nancy, who should play donald trump? >> i, too, was able to narrow it down. jim gaffigan as colonel sanders. but the winner is don king. he's a trump supporter, but if my memory serves me correctly,
he also had these strange flights of -- his way of thinking and his verbal skills match. >> very similar to trump. and don king is a perfect match for donald trump on command of the policy issues. so i didn't think i had an answer to this until the commercial break. and i know think -- i have a good answer. my first answer, which i rejected, which was chuck schumer. a lot of this weiner thing. new yorker, tough guy thing. then i realized it has to be al franken because it has to be someone who understands the bad comedy impulses of donald trump and how they would work and also someone who knows something about political debate and knows a little bit -- knows trump's issues and knows how to throw them around. >> it's like the former editor
of harpers, but she said you have to know fashion rules to be able to break them. franken works perfectly in that. that's pretty good. >> so will trump do debate prep? what are you hearing from sources? >> we reported this about two weeks ago he was starting debate prep. >> what is debate prep for him? reading the paper for the first time in his life? >> debate prep for him likely means watching hillary clinton's speeches, the campaign is trying to pick out who is going to play hillary clinton. i'll offer my gender neutral role and i think for that it should be newt gingrich. he's a particularly strong debater. he talked about debating is how he was able to stay in the primaries. he's also someone who gets establishment politics. he's going to be able to say -- he's going to be a policy wong and donald trump can do this thing whether or not he wants to go after her for other things that don't have to do with policy.
newt gingrich can say what about this tax? and donald trump can go to pivot and figure out how to figure that out. >> this is the hasty pudding version of debate prep. newt gingrich as hillary clinton. >> one of my thoughts was newt gingrich. the other one was flip would be ivanka. she basically delivered hillary's stump speech at the rnc convention. >> i don't know if she has enough policy background. >> i think the opponent needs to be a woman in a way. i think the gender matters more for trump than for hillary. just because his relationship with female voters is a little bit different. i think having a woman in that role would be important for his preparation. >> i came up with mary kay place. >> perfect. >> i totally love her. >> i'm going to text her right now and tell her to do this. >> she would be great. she has the right quality. >> that's going to have to be it
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