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to draw attention to the very fact that hillary clinton do pander out to black people. she do pander. >> psychological warfare at hillary clinton prepares for her first show down with donald trump, how important is to to get under his skin? and log off with donald trump promising to clarify his position on immigration tomorrow. his new campaign manager isn't giving any hints. >> why can't anybody in the campaign answer the question whether he's in favor of a deportation -- >> he hasn't talked about that in a very long time -- >> so is he in favor of of it against it? >> he has not talked about that in a very long time. >> good day, i'm andrea mitchell in washington. a senr campaignerson says they will not back away from mark burns who made national headline aefs sending out a
tweet that some find offensive. a cartoon of hillary clinton in black face. that has since been deleted. pastor burns is a constant presence as a warm-up speaker for trump. his latest apology came hours after he challenged by kristen welker. but whether his strategy was in fact turning off more black voters than it was attracting. joining me now is kristen welker covering the clinton campaign aerokaty tur in washington state, kristen, first to you. i wanted to play label the of you questioning mark burns refusing to back down, and this was at 5:00, 5:00 eastern last night. >> why did you tweet this out? do you stand by it? >> well, i think i'm pretty clear what's important senior the fact that black face is offensive to black people, but what's more offensive is not so much that there's just black face, but that millions of african americans are on
welfare. thousands of african americans are on food stamps. >> when you tweetd something like this out, it's impossible for people to hear what you say because this type of image becomes the topic of conversation. didn't you just -- >> because it is drawn to the fact that -- >> do the opposite what have donald trump says he's trying to do. >> but the picture is designed to draw attention to the very fact that hillary clinton do pander out to black people. >> do you think that a tweet like this helps donald trump to win over more african american voters or do you think it drives them in the other direction because they might be offended? as one of his top surrogates said, this is an inappropriate tweet. it's an inappropriate way of trying to win over african american voters. >> if you want to talk to me about how i represent donald trump, then we should talk about what bill clinton, who is the husband -- >> no, we're not talking about bill clinton. we're not talking about bill clinton -- >> take a picture -- >> we need to talk as though
when you talk to the african american community, like that resinates to all of us. >> he's not talking to them at all, that's my point. >> that's not true. he's talking to americans. and we as african americans are americans. >> kristen welker, who did not back down, i mean, that was incredible bause we took only a few hours for the tweet to disappear and for him to apologize. >> well, i think it's what you said in that ultimately did he did back down. he said this was his decision to take the tweet down to ultimately apologize for it. but there's no doubt, as we've been talking about for several days now, the trump campaign has retold itself and so, they don't want these types of distractions. now important to also point out, andrea, he stands by the broader argument that he's making, which
is the democrats have been taking african american voters for granted. i have asked for a response from the clinton campaign, they won't respond to the tweet or to that criticism directly, but we have married his sustained criticism by secretary clinton essentially saying that donald trump's outreach to african american voters hasn't been real because he hasn't yet actually gone to an african american community to talk to them, to make their pitch to them. he is going to do that this weekend in detroit, of course, but she really ramped it up last week when she delivered that speech trying to link donald trump to the alt-right, to conservative right, some would say white nationalists, and the trump campaign has been on defense on this point ever since, andrea. >> and katy tur, you're in washington state, and we could ask why he's in washington state. what do you expect top win in washington? but also, describe for us the role that pastor burns plays out on the stump. becauses me a frequent warm-up speaker at these rallies.
>> well, first off he's doing a fundraiser here and the campaign says that while he is in a state, he might as well do a rally. donald trump enjoys these rallies and they get national attention. so they feel like if he's here he might as well go out and rally the crowd, even in a state that he is not expected to win. as for pastor mark burns, you're absolutely right. this is somebody who appears very frequently at trump rallies. he's often the opening act for donald trump. he's somebody who has been trying to reach out to the african american community directly, he's often said we are all americans, all lives matter, he's been a very vocal proponent of donald trump. so as one of his most high profile african american surrogates, a tweet like this only helps to further the cause that republicans -- excuse me, democrats are trying to further that donald trump is out of touch with black voters. pastor mark burns was supposed to help with that, but a tweet that shows no, i didn't black face and the universal outrage
that it caused certainly isn't helping their campaign for that particular vote at the moment. but they're not backing away from pastor mark burns. he has apologized. which is unusual for this campaign because apologies come very infrequently, but it does prove that even though donald trump has no or defies the laws of political gravity, doesn't mean that everybody around him can do it as well. >> katy tur in washington state and kristen welker in brooklyn, thank you very much. and kristina shocky is deputy communication director for the clinton campaign. thanks for being with us. i want to ask you first of all about houma abedin and we knew it was long and coming and unexpected in that both of the wooeiners in the hamptons when this broke over the weekend on sunday night. >> you know, andrea, i think that's really important with that that we know that huma is
just a lovely woman and a wonderful mother. and she has asked for privacy during this very sad and painful time for her family. and we in our campaign are going to respect that and not talk about what she's going through, just out of respect for her, her son, her family. and, you know, i think what we saw yesterday with donald trump is that there's just no low that this man will not go to. it was really hurtful that he used this to attack the campaign and we really think that that's wrong at this time. >> what about the timing, of course, coming as you're getting into intensive debate preparation, you're less than four weeks away now from the debate, the first of the debates, huma is the most important advisor, described in the vogue magazine which just hit stands yesterday as one of the brilliant strategists in team clinton. >> you know, i just have to say huma is an absolute pro. she has been such an important member of this team from the very beginning and has worked
with hillary for years. and is not only an important advisor, but a close friend. and so, again, we're just not going to invade her privacy to talk about this. she's going through a hard time. and we all support her at the campaign. >> in terms of the debate preparation, the new york times has a lead story today about the psych lonl call warfare you might say is going on because your team is consulting psychology experts, trying to figure out a way to get under his skin, to needle him, to figure out his personality profile. tell me what's going on there. >> you know, we're not going to get into our own debate prep, but i have to tell you that hillary's taking this very seriously. she understands those debates are incredit by important. that's when you get to talk to millions of voters, your experience, your judgment. what you've done in your life to make a difference for american families and just as importantly, what are your plans to keep us safe and grow our economy? she's taking this very seriously, that's how hillary prepares for everything, and
she's really looking forward to the opportunity. trump has boosted and bragged for a long time that he won every debate, he's an incredible debater, and she's taking this seriously and preparing as she does for everything. and really looking forward to the opportunity to talk to people about her real plans, to make college more affordable. to grow jobs and incomes in this country to lower the cost of prescription drugs to make child care more affordable. she's the candidate in this race will with real plans that will make a difference and she's looking forward to talking to american voters about that. >> how do you prepare for donald trump since you're not sure which donald trump will actually show up? is he going to be the donald trump who insulted marco rubio, insulted jeb bush? the name caller, who insulted carly fiorina or megyn kelly or more low key and the business than, you know, the guy who can create jobs? >> who knows with donald trump, but one thing we know, there's really no low that he wouldn't go to. he loves to insult people. and we see his judgment and character every day on his
campaign trail. and she is just preparing as hillary, as hillary clinton does. she's going to share with people her ideas to make a difference in a their lives and talk about what she's done throughout her life as a lifelong children's advocate. who knows with donald trump, but she's taking it really seriously. this is an important moment for her to talk to american voters and i think we see with donald trump his erratic behavior, his dangerous ideas. we'll probably see that on the debate stage, but you know, hillary clinton's taking this seriously and really looks forward to the opportunity to talk to american voters. >> and who could play donald trump? >> you know, we're not getting into our internal preparations, but i just have to say, you know, she is looking forward to the opportunity and she takes this very seriously. and as i said, he has said he's an incredible debater, so she's going to come ready to talk to the american people. and you know, we seen time and again with donald trump, he doesn't really have any real plans. when it comes to the economy, to making college more affordable, and, you know, i think american voters are going to see that there's a one candidate in this
race who has the judgment, who has the experience, who has the knowledge of world affairs, and has real plans to make a dirns in their lives as she look forward to the opportunities tooed that in debates. >> we're seeing a narrowing in the polls. there's a lot to talk about in that first debate. thank you very much, kristina shocky, great to see you. and it is election day. it's a primary day. john mccain, marco rubio, debbie wasserman schultz, big names are on the ballot in primary contests todayed in key states. we're out on the trail. that next on "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. this network of portals will shorten the distance packag have to travel, and save jet shoppers money. unbelievable work! where does that one go? ...happy birthday... whoa, slow down bill. save some for us. (everyone laughs) ...hahahahahahahah. at jet.com, we're always looking for unbelievable money saving innovations.
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ward. who in recent weeks questioned mccain's fitness to serve, calling him out on his age. he was 80 years old yesterday. happy birthday, senator mccain. in florida, former democratic national committee chairwoman debbie wasserman schultz fighting to keep her seat against tim kanova. you know why that happened. and victory seems all but sure for incumbent republican senator marco rubio against his channeler, businessman carlos beroof. our team has it covered for you. kelly o'donnell starting off the senate primary in arizona. following the congresswoman's primary and kasey hunt from kissimmee, florida. republican pollsters are cautioning never be sure of anything out there in arizona politics. and you've covered it so long, you know it better than anyone. >> reporter: and he'll be the first one to tell you that, and we certainly saw them in 2010
when the rise of the tea party and there was agitation towards mccain then. and so in this election, he tells me that he believes you've got to work hard every day. and he talked about that with volunteers here, credited, he's had about 200 young volunteers who've been helping to try to get the vote out. he is confident of the outcome and was already looking toward november and a democratic challenger congresswoman ann kirkpatrick. democrats see this seat as a potential pick-up. they see the changing demographics of the state, and hillary clinton at the top of the ticket perhaps helping ann kirkpatrick, and he is trying to fight hard and push, at the same time, he is reluctant to talk about donald trump, recognizes that as a former nominee himself, doesn't want to in any way push aside those voters who got donald trump to the nomination. and needs those conservatives to be with him in the fall. so, mccain is trying to make that balance of fighting a challenger off and then looking
toward what could be a much, much tighter race come november to hold on to his seat. he's seeking a sixth term in the senate, andrea. >> you caught up with john mccain as you referenced and asked him about donald trump, he's obviously on a very in an awkward position, let's put it that way about donald trump. let's play it. >> when you have to position yourself as a republican in a tough environment running with donald trump, at the top of the ticket, how can you separate yourself where you need to? >> it's not separating myself or anything like that. and i have 100% name id. i've been here for many years. i don't think their judgment is affected by anything but what they view of me. how they view me. >> so john mccain being very cautious about the trump factor in that race. and alex psychswald in florida.
this could have been a real enlightener with debbie wasserman schultz, it a monetary effect, but hanlt moved the polls that much, or was it hard to pl in that strict? >> reporter: well andrea, she has run six times without facing a primary challenge. this is the first real bid. and it is a tough one. he raised close to $4 million largely from bernie sanders supporters, that's bought a huge ground operation that he says can overcome what the polls are saying. he's down about ten points. he says he's gavelizing voters who don't typically turn out in the low turnout august elections, that's tim kanova. and debbie wasserman schultz pulls out all the stops, hillary clinton, president obama, major unions have come down and campaigned for her. she's still looking, you know, very strong. she's been in this district for, you know, over 20 years, first working in politics, then in the
state legislature, then in the congress. deep ties here. kanova is arguing she's lost touch with the district, didn't spend enough time here as chairm chairwoman of the party. he lost by over 30 points in the march primary. and i just talked to a voter who voted for fwhernz march but is voting for debbie wasserman schultz today, it's an uphill climb. >> and you caught up with her also at the polls today. let's play a little of that. >> do you have any regrets about anything you did as chairwoman? >> on the contrary. i'm proud of my tenure as chair of the democratic national convention, it was a tremendous honor to be asked by the president of the united states to watch his back, to help bring him across the finish line in elect. help elect the first african american president and democrats up and down the ballot. any time the president asks you to do anything, it's a tremendous honor. and we were very focussed on making sure and we successfully
ran a primary that was by the book, that followed the rules, and hillary clinton was the winner by more than three million votes. >> and elsewhere in florida, of course, marco rubio in that senate race. mitt romney now sending out an e-mail fundraising for marco rubio, kasey hunt all over that, kasie. >> reporter: that's right, andrea, romney of course trying to help rubio out here. he of course decided after he lost the presidential primary that he did in fact want top hang on to this senate seat in florida. questions about his future presidential ambitions down the line. rubio's primary opponent, carlos baroof hasn't been a factor. he's expected to win comfortably here. the primary, but what has been uncomfortable is rubio's now relationship with the guy that he tried to hard to beat, you remember marco rubio was really down there almost in the gutters with donald trump for that one period of the campaign, he called donald trump a con man trump called him little marco.
obviously a lot of bad blood there, but rubio says he's now a trump supporter and that of course and there are so many republicans. that's a piece of the base that rubio does need if he wants to hang on to the seat in november, so he has told the miami harold editorial board that he stands by everything he ever said about donald trump. but on the other hand, he says floridians should support donald trump over hillary clinton. so it's a little bit of a difficult place to be. it's why we haven't seen rubio too far out there in the national spotlight, it'll be interesting to see how far, if at all, he distances himself from trump once he's clear of this primary, andrea. >> kasie hunt, thank you so much on the marco rubio race down there as well to alex siteswald and kelly o'donnell. and coming up, is this a replay of the darkest episodes in history as the 10,000 syrian
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respond. and you've analyalogized it to drank. they tried to get the family out in the 30s and because of anti-semitism, could not get her here. there were so many barriers. that's the analogy really to the immigration debate we're having now about syrian refugees and the so-called extreme vetting as donald trump would call it. >> that's right. and i think we all think that, you know, ann frank and european jews were simply murdered because the nazis recorded them as inferior, and in some sense, that's true, but it's also true that they died because mainstream america in some sense regarded them as inferior as well as unworthy of helping. and if you look at the kind of arguments that were made in the 1930s, including franklied a this newspaper, at the new york times, we published in a front page article warning about the dangers of admitting from europe. and, you know, in retrospect,
those kind of arguments, or the notion that, you know, europeans should look after their own first. this is isn't our responsibility, they look not only silly, but just morally myopic. and i'm afraid we will some day look back at the arguments we are making to explain our unwillingness to help syrians in the same way. >> what kind of reaction did you get to the editorial? >> you know, i got -- i mean one of the -- i got a lot of resistance, not surprisingly. one of the main objections was, look, anne frank, if she had been admitted wouldn't have been blowing up americans. and you know, in fact, there is a certain parallel there. one reason we didn't admit anne sfrank we were afraid of people like her. that we were afraid that jews if they were admitted were going to be communists, were going to be
anti-government, were going to dismantle our government. or alternatively we worry tt they were going to be nazis in disguise, we felt we had to put security above all else. and so in fact, those kind of arguments seem to be more of a parallel than a difference. >> in fact, according to to the state department, or unhcr, 75% of the refugees who are trying to get in are women and children. we're not talking about, you know, about people -- in any -- >> and candidate, candidate has managed to admit three times as many and canadians, as far as we can tell seem to be desperate to have more syrians move to their communities. obviously we can't exclude the risk that any person admitted may indeed be inclined to terrorism or their children may not. absolutely. there are risks. there are risks in everything that we do. and if you look at the number of people admitted as refugees
since 9/11, who have actually ever supported any kind of terrorism, it's my nis dual. it seems if one weighs the risk of terrorism against the enormous humanitarian imperative to help people who are desperate than in the 1930s, that should have been impelled us to epa anne frank, that should impel us to be more generous towards refugees as well. >> before i let you go, i want to ask you about another column where you talked about the death of your dog, katie, and you asked the rhetorical question in the headline, do you care more about a dog than a refugee because you got so much sympathy for your column about katie. >> yeah, i mean, it so happened that i had a column about syrians on the same day that katie died. and so my inbox and my twitter feed was swamped with really wonderful, warm-hearted
condolences about and sympathies for katie's loss. and a lot of really hardhearted responses about syrian kids. you know, it's not our job to help them. who cares about them. this kind of thing. and it -- the juxtaposition of this incredibly warm-hearted response to the loss of one dog, at age 12, with this frankly kalsness towards 470,000 syrians who are bereaved to have died so far -- believed to have died so far, underscore to the degree is noa problem of lack of policy responses, it's fundamentally a lack of empathy for those in need. >> nicholas christoph, thanks so much for bringing us all back to the heart and our moral values. thank you. appreciate it. >> thank you. and coming up, back to the future. in a cold war flash back, two recent hax uncover a new fear. it russia trying to interfere with u.s. elections? you're watching "andrea mitchell
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a new warning from the fbi now. state election officials after recent hacking attacks on voting systems. u.s. intention officials tell nbc news that russian-based hackers have been breaking into data bases in arizona and illinois. where data from as many as 200,000 voter records may have been accessed. james comey commenting today in washington. >> we take very seriously any effort by any actor, including nation states, maybe especially nation states that moves beyond the collection of information about our country and that offers the prospect of an effort to influence the conduct of affairs in our country whether that's an election or something else. i don't want to comment on the particular, but those kinds of things are something we take very, very seriously. >> joining me now is california's democratic congressman and ranking member of the house intelligence
committee, adam schiff. congressman, from what you know that you can talk about, how serious is this threat of russian hacking? now we've been told by other officials that the dnc hack, the dccc hack, these other organizations were hacked by what looks like russian intelligence. >> i can't speak to the private information, just on the publicly available information, it's certainly plain that russia has the capability to do these kind of hacks, has the incentive and the motivation, has a history of doing these kinds of hacks. and it's not really a question about whether russia can hack into election systems, they have the ability to do it. the question is just whether they will do it. and that's an intolerable situation. i think given the state of where we are cyber world for a secretary of state anywhere in the country not to have a paper trail sl negligence. because you could throw into question elections by the
capable they have with online voting, but even those voting machines that don't leave a paper trail, that's a very dangerous situation for us to be in electorally. >> how complicated would it be to a have a paper trail in every jurisdiction? >> it's not complicated, and the sec tars of state have had ample notice that they ought to move to these systems. we have tried in congress to monodate that unsuccessfully, but particularly in this kind of o wild west and where we have governments of foreign governments to influence elections then it's more incumbent that we take every possible precaution. we don't want to the go through another contested election like 2000, let alone one where we may have a foreign government to interfere with our democracy. >> with this thing going on russia wants to, they have the capability. couldn't that interfere with the vote count in the presidential election or in these key senate races, the senate hanging in the
balance? >> i think they have the ability to interfere to some degree with the vote count. particularly in overseas voting, people in the military casting ballots online, those are probably the easiest ways to tamper, but there are other ways they could interfere with the election process, some in terms of potential my manipulating voter data bases, voter registration files, but also, and this is probably the most prenishs, by manipulating data itself, by planneding documents, dumping documents that are false. for example, you could imagine in the dnc hack, if the hackers wanted, they could take photo images of fake documents, something that'd be very hard to prove were fake after the fact that suggest potential criminality of people, and that's the kind of really malicious interference that keeps me up at night. >> now at the same time on the separate subject of the clinton e-mails and we've seen all of the stuff coming out, demands by many of your republican colleagues for a special
prosecutor. is a special prosecutor warranted, given the close ties that loretta lynch has with this white house and given the, you know, what she's acknowledged was an inappropriate meeting with bill clinton? >> no. there's no evidence at all of any illegality in terms of clinton foundation and the secretary of state's of work. the most that has come to surface is that some of the clinton foundation supporters also met with the secretary of state, when you would imagine would be the case. so no, that's not at all the kind of foundation you would want for the extraordinary step of a special investigator, prosecutor, what we have seen instead frankly is the unlimited use of congressional resources to investigate the democratic candidate for president. that, to me, is an abuse. the fact that we spent two years in a now completely discredited investigation of benghazi looking for something to use against secretary clinton. that to me is frankly the real impropriety here. the extent to which congress is
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welcome all. chris alyssa, what are the chances that gary johnson bumps that up to 15% and would that be an average of a number of debates in order to get on the debate stage? >> that's right. that's right. i mean, that's his whole game. it's the whole game for any third party candidate which is can you get into the general election debates, at least one of them, ideally all three of them. the debate commission put out it's criteria. it's an average of a handful of credible and serious polls that he would need to average 15% in. i think it personally sun likely. one of the problems gary johnson has is that he doesn't have the money to run tv ads. if you were his campaign, you would start running ads now and try to run as many as you could up until september 23rd or something like that, the debate is september 26th to get yourself up to 15. once you get in the debates, all bets are off. i don't think he has the kind of money to finance that.
>> and jean cummings, when we look at this poll, it's only a four-point spread, that said, that doesn't really explain the electoral college. four-point spread could turn into a landslide victory one way or the other. that's what we saw with president obama. >> and there are some state polls that suggest that some of the swing states are solidifying for her, pennsylvania, colorado, virginia, are looking pretty good for her. but ohio and florida remain very close. so we don't know how the electoral college will break out. >> that's why we're going to be in cincinnati tomorrow. >> exactly. so yes, it is true, that what matters are some of the statewide polls that are much more important than some of the national polls. >> ron, you've got a provocative column today and we wanted to ask you about that. you said there is noquivalency between clinton and trump, donald trump sun fit for the presidency.
known you a long time, you have a wire service background with the ap, as the bureau chief and first met in little rock, you've been a tough critic of the clintons for many decades. so what inspired you to come down this hard? >> well, i've been a tough critic, but admirer of the clintons. i've probably voted for bill clinton more than anybody in washington. now primaries i voted against him a few times. i try to look at it objectively. i think allowed like a lot are. i look at hillary clinton very experienced, she's ready to walk into the oval office, she's been in the oval office, secretary of state, what she did with the e-mails, with the foi, with the legislative oversight with not speaking frankly to the public about it for the last few years with jeopardizing u.s. secrets, boy, that's a big mark on the con side. then you look at donald trump. and the whole rest -- that was two paragraphs, the whole rest is look at everything donald
trump has said or done that show that he hasn't afraid of saying bigoted things, sexist things, isn't afraid of obscene things, he shows no interest or understanding in policy. if you stack up the lies, where politicians have told trues that they know or untrues they know are untrue, it's not even close. donald trump lice much more than even hillary clinton. so she sits at 11% trust worthiness, and donald trump, there's about two-thirds of the american public that don't think he has a temperament to president. if you look at those two candidates, donald trump cannot be president of the united states. even with a very flawed democratic on the other side. >> and chris alyssa, would it be in her interest to be more open and to be more accessible? donald trump is even more accessible than she is, and she is -- they're both so isolated, neither of them have reporters
on their plane. and she has not had a news conference in forever. and you can talk about interviews all you want, but it's not the same as having a news conference. . >> yes, first of all, ron makes an important point which is hillary clinton is a deeply flawed candidate running against a candidate who may be uniquely unsuited to take advantage of those deep flaws. that's point one. >> exactly. >> point two, her deepest flaw is that somewhere between 55 and 65% of the american public, including independents don't believe she's honest and trust worthy. that is a problem politically speaking, andrea, but it's also a problem if she's elected president because then we're talking about someone who has won by being sort of the least worst. and that person is now coming into a washington that we already know is deeply divided. that president obama who was elected on a significant mandate in 2008 was not able to make worse depending on where you come down on that. point being, this is someone who today you look at polling is the
favorite to be the 45th of the of the united states. a responsibility comes with that. a responsibility for as much transparency and openness as possible. and the clintons, she in particular do not seem to grasp that for whatever reason. i defer to ron on the reasons, he's watched their careers much longer. this seems to be a blind spot for them. >> we'll have to leave it there for now. >> they're thinking about winning, not how to govern. >> well, that is probably the exactly the bottom line. ron, chris, jean, thank you all. and the world is mourning the death of actor gene wilder today. he passed away in connecticut monday. of complications from alzheimer's. more than any other role, he'll likely be remembered for playing the one that didn't do well in the box office, willy wonk some of his best work there with director mel brooks from blazing saddles to young frankenstein to the producers. >> i don't know, i feel so strange. >> maybe you're happy.
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and donald trump says he's appealing to minority voters although he's mostly talking to white audiences. accompanied by dr. ben carson, he'll be speaking at a predominantly black church. this message could be undermined by a twitter firestorm by pastor mark burns who tweeted a cartoon showing hillary clinton in black face. pastor burns has apologized and has taken the tweet down. thank you for joining me, congressman. >> good to be with you, andrea. >> i want to ask you about this pastor burns' tweet and whether this is the best way to reach out to the african-american community. >> you certainly can't hold donald trump accountable for something someone else has done. it's disappointing for anyone to see a smear campaign, what
hillary clinton did with the kkk can be defended nor could this action be defended. americans want to hear about policy. they want to hear donald trump talk more about immigration, defending the borders, using e-verify making sure that we do build a wall and we have a compassionate answer for all of those illegal immigrants that have been working the farms for years and raising a family and i believe we'll hear that speech coming out soon. they want to hear policies on tax reform, on economic growth and so these other distractions are certainly disappointing to all of us and i think to some extent the media. they give an outsized amount of attention which frankly i wish they would be treated as they are. >> the campaign, again, endorsed pastor burns, he speaks at most of the rallies.
he's one of the warmup speakers. they have not disavowed what he did. >> yeah. he screwed up. i'm glad he's apologized for it. you've got to wonder, you know, what was going through his head when he did it. can't defend it so i won't try to defend it. i'm glad he has apologized and disappointed it happened. >> how important is it for donald trump in his speech tomorrow on immigration to be specific, to explain what does he mean about the deportation force, what does he mean about what you were just suggesting, being more for giving of people who came here illegally but have been here for decades and have proved to be good, upstanding members of the community? >> well, as you've heard with other speeches, i do believe donald trump will be very specific unlike hillary clinton and barack obama who have no plan whatsoever. i know he's going to emphasize securing the borders and building a wall because he is going to build a wall.
he's going to deport those illegal immigrants who have broken our la he's going to stress e-verify, which is a way for every agricultural worker to be verified as being in this country illegally and i believe we will hear the compassionate work papers, way to process illegal immigrants who have been here for an extended period of time, abiding by the laws so they can come out of the shadows, paint taxes. we know who they are. and that, in conjunction with e-verify, will make sure we never face the situation we face now with 18 illegal immigrants. we don't know where they live or who they are. i believe you'll hear a very specific proposal and that's going to put the heat on hillary clinton who has no proposal as to what she's going to do and i think america will respond very, very favorably with that. >> well, we can't discuss her proposal now because we're at the end of the hour. unfortunatelily, we'll have to revisit that another time. thank you very much, congressman
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