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  The Place for Politics 2016  MSNBC  September 8, 2016 11:25am-12:00pm PDT

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school policy under a trump administration. here he is in cleveland. >> in particular, though, i want to thank mr. ron packard, is he here some place? thank you, ron. fantastic job. and who has really done an incredible job. what a great job for hosting us at this beautiful school. today we're going to discuss one of the most important issues in this campaign. school choice. but before we do, i want to briefly discuss new revelations about hillary clinton's very famous e-mails. according to the fbi report, the fbi did not find that hostile foreign actors, and we think of this that's so important. when they went around, we're so vigilant at least as far as this. they found that hostile foreign
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actors gained access to the personal e-mail accounts of individuals with whom clinton was in regular contact and in doing so obtained e-mails sent to or received by clinton on her personal account. and every time she talks about the subject, it's different. she's got to get her act together. remember, hillary clinton was e-mailing about the drone program among many other extremely sensitive matters. this is yet more evidence that clinton is unfit to be your commander-in-chief. by the way, the whole country saw how unfacilisit she was whe refused to take accountability for her failed policies in the middle east that have produced millions of refugees, unleashed horror of radical islamic terrorism all over, and made us
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less safe than ever before. she put the country, and i mean the entire country at risk in order to cover up her pay for play scandals as secretary of state. these include doing favors for ubs bank and selling contracts to friends and family in haiti. it's all about hiding criminal enterprise and that's what it's about. as part of her criminal coverup, you know her staff, you know it well, you read about it all the time. we just read about it. it's getting worse and worse. her staff deleted and digitally bleached after receiving a congressional subpoena.
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that's after. and she deletes and bleaches. she also and her staff destroyed some of her 13 different phones, but this time with a hammer. she claims she couldn't remember important events 39 times. she couldn't even remember whether she was trained or handling classified information. didn't remember anything about it. so she really didn't remember. that's a problem. if she did remember, that's a problem. she even said she didn't know what the letter r "c" stood for.
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whether it was confidential, classified information or something. all the while as hillary and bill raked in millions of dollars from special interests, the world was falling apart. hillary clinton's policies produce ruin in libya, iraq and syria. absolute ruin. and death. she failed in russia. she failed in china. she failed miserably in north korea. her policies unleashed isis, spread terrorism and put ooin on a path to nuclear weapons. not to mention the ransom payments, oh those ransom payments, remember two weeks ago it was $400 million in cash. well yesterday we found out that in cash, it was $1.7 billion.
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this is cash. this is in wire transfer. this is in check. this is cash. $1.7 billion. then you say is that going to terror or is that going to people's bank accounts? i think it's going to both. on top of it all, hillary clinton is trigger happy. totally trigger happy. she's raced to invade, intervene and topple regimes. she believes in globalism, not americanism. last night she falsely said no american died in libya. i heard that, and i said, could she have forgotten so quickly? then she also falsely said there's no ground troops in iraq. even e though we have 5,000 military personnel there right
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now. iraq is one of the biggest differences in this race. i opposed going in, and i did oppose it, despite the media saying, yes, no, yes, no. i opposed going in. and i opposed the reckless way hillary clinton took us out. letting isis fill that big, terrible void. three months before the iraq war started, i said in an interview that perhaps we shouldn't be doing it yet. and that the economy, these are quotes, that the economy, this was on live television, the economy is a much bigger problem as far as the president is concerned. this was before the war started by a very short distance.
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then on march 25th of 2003, just after the war had started, just days after, just a little while after, i was quoted saying the war is a mess. yet more evidence that i opposed the war from the start. i said the war is a mess on television somewhere. in july of 2003, i said i would love to see new york city and some of our cities and some of the states of our nation get some of the money that's going toward iraq and some of the places because they really need it and need it badly. then in august of 2004, very
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early in the conflict, i made a a detailed interview to "esquire." numerous honest reporters said, well, trump may have said at the beginning and some said he did say it at the beginning because they had the clip and other clips. some said it doesn't matter because right at the beginning he made very strong statements. this is a quote. absolute quote. look at the war in iraq and the mess that we're in. this is right after the war started. i would never have handled it that way. does anybody really believe that iraq is going to be a wonderful democracy where people are going to run down to the voting box and gently put in their ballot and the winner is happily going to step up and to lead the
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count country. come on, two minutes after we leave there's going to be a revolution. pretty good. and the meanest, toughest, smartest, most vicious guy will take over. that's going to be combinations of isis and iran. iran has taken over. they are taking over among the richest and largest oil reserves in the world. we let them do it. should have never been in the war. but we should have never, ever gotten out of the war the way barack obama got us out. along with hillary clinton. because we opened it up for isis. so it continued. what was the purpose? this is me at the beginning of the war in an article. what was the purpose of this whole thing. hundreds and hundreds of young
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people are being killed and what about the people coming back with no arms and with no legs. not to mention the other side. all of those iraqi kids blown to pieces. it turns out that all of the reasons for the war are just blatantly wrong. all of this for nothing. this was right at the gunning of the war. i see the lies last night. donald trump was always in favor of the war in iraq. that's why i had to do this. because the media is so dishonest, so terribly dishonest. you understand it, you understand it and you understand it. the media is so terribly dishonest. i had to do this. i ended with, i would have been
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tougher on terrorism. bin laden would have been caught a long time ago. prior to the downing of the world trade center. so this was right at the beginning and those other statements were before the war even started. and the howard statement was long before and was the first time anybody asked me about iraq. e i said, i don't know. but that was super seeded because before the war, i gave statements that we shouldn't go in. shortly thereafter, and honestly, a a lot of reporters said, hey, right at the beginning, he made this statement. that statement was a major story in "esquire" magazine. i just wanted to set the record straight. there's so much lying going on. and hillary clinton lied last night about numerous amounts of things. had i been in congress, i would
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have cast a vote in opposition. for years i have been a critic of foreign invasions and let's face it, interventions, that's what they are. that have been a hallmark of trigger happy hillary and her failed career. she's been a disaster. here's the bottom line. was a private citizen. i had no access to briefings or great intelligence surveys that she did. i had no access to anything as a private citizen. frankly, nobody really cared too much about what i said. i'm doing business. i don't know why i was asked the question. i guess because i was asked the question. but i didn't have access to all of the intelligence information that she did and everybody else did. but in iraq, my judgment was
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right and hers, with all of this information and all of this great intelligence information was wrong. along with a lot of other people in all fairness. it was a big mistake. totally destabilized the middle east. it was a big mistake. death to so many people. hillary clinton is always complaining about what's wrong. i just watched her on the tarmac. she tried to make up for her horrible performance last night. it was a horrible performance. she went on the tarmac and told more lies. but she's been there. she's always talking about things that she's going to do. but she's been there for more than 30 years. she's never done anything about it. all you have to do is look at new york state when she ran for senator. she said she will bring jobs
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back to new york state. it's a disaster. no jobs have come back. jobs have left. new york state and the areas that she was talking about. they are disasters. all you have to do is look at new york state. she said she was going to bring tremendous jobs back. just like she's saying now. she wouldn't know how to bring a job back. she wouldn't have a clue. so it's all talk and nothing happens. that's what's going to happen with our country on jobs. nobody is going to bring jobs back like donald trump. i will be the greatest jobs producing president that god ever created. and i say that with my pastors in the front row. so we're on track now to spend, listen to this, $6 trillion.
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altogether on wars in iraq and afghanistan and the middle east. meanwhile, massive portions of our country are in a state of total disrepair. it's time to rebuild america. when i say that, we will also, before we get totally started, we will take out isis. remember b that. we have no choice. too many americans have not been included in the american dream. we are a nation and we're one nation. when any part of our country hurts, our whole country hurts.
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my goal as president will be to ensure that every child in this nation, african-american, hispanic-american, all americans will be placed on the ladder to success. i define that as great education and a great job. the ladder rests on a fundamental foundation. we need safety. there's such danger in our inner cities. there's such danger in our communities. in order to help our children succeed, our first duty is to ensure that every kid in america can grow up in a safe community. you read what's happening. you see what's happening. you can't have prosperity without security. this is the new civil rights agenda of our time. the right to a safe community. a quality education and a wonderful job.
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including for those great students that i met just a a little while ago. they are going to do great. they are really going draet. you have done such a great job with the education here. our campaign represents the chance to break with the bitter failures of the past and to embrace a new and strong american future. there's no failed policy more in need of urgent change than our government run education monopoly, and you know in the back that's exactly what it is. they are protecting a lot of people that have a lot of really high paying jobs.
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the democratpped millions of youth in failing government schools that deny them the opportunity to join the ladder of american success. it's time to break up that monopoly. have to do it. i want every single inner city child in america, who is today trapped in a failing school to have the freedom, the civil right to attend the school of their choice. their parents will choose the finest school. they will attend that school. this includes private schools, traditional public schools, magnet schools and charter schools, which must be included in any definition of school
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choice. our government spends more than enough money to easily pay for this initiative. with billions and billions of dollars to be left over. it's simply a matter of putting the students first. let's run through the numbers. at the state and federal level, the united states spends more than $620 billion on k-12 education each year. that's an average of about $12,296 for every student enrolled in our elementary and secondary public schools. the federal government pays for about 10% of the k-12 costs. the other roughly $560 billion spent on k-12 education comes from the states themselves. we spend more per student than
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any other major country in the world. we're doing very poorly in terms of a list. we spend more by far and we're doing very poorly. so obviously, common corps does not work. on public schools. the their biggest costs. new york city spends $20,020 per pupil. chicago spends $11,976 per student. los angeles spends $10,602. just imagine if each student in these school systems was given a scholarship for this amount of money allowing them and their family to choose the public or private school of their choice.
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it's an education mark that produces better outcomes. and i mean far better outcomes. these schools would then cater to the needs of the individual student and family, not the needs of the teachers union, which is a tremendous force and a tremendous barrier to getting done what you want to get done. and they will be a beneficiary because they will also be working. they will come in and be working. you want the best ones. there's nothing more important than a great teacher. nothing. the current government monopoly while great for the bureaucrats -- >> we're going to continue to
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monitor the event there in cleveland with donald trump we're taking a few hits on the shot and a little issue with the audio. but he start ed off about this education policy speech going after hillary clinton and the new e-mails or revelations about her e-mails and the fact that hostile actors were able to gain access to folks she had been e-mailing with. this had been a huge topic last night that led off the commander-in-chief forum with matt lauer. kelly always standing by. go over some of the facts. so we can fact check donald trump in realtime as he's telling us we are dishonest. that was a part of his narrative. >> i won't ever fact check you on calling me kelly o. but looking at donald trump, part of what is so complicated in this is that there has been a lot of information flowing at
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voters over the last 24 hours. what was said at the forum and each candidate addressing voters in separate events. so donald trump today is really the relit gator. it's one of his go-to moves, if if he feels he's somehow been misunderstood, he relitigates. it goes back to the primaries and to interviews he's done. and on the subject of the iraq war, this is a frequent topic where donald trump says that everybody has got it wrong. well, over time, donald trump's position on the iraq war did change. he was a businessman at the beginning of this where he was a frequent guest on the radio show of howard stern where he was asked about it. and at that point, what he said perhaps without much thought, perhaps without any preparation is different than what he had said over time where he gave different interviews over the next few years and became over time increasingly more critical
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of the war in iraq and the handling of how that situation affected the middle east and foreign policy. but let's take you back to the beginning to 2002 when then businessman only donald trump was on the radio show with howard stern and was asked in realtime about the events in following 9/11. where the bush administration was considering its options and here is how he was asked and how he answered. >> i guess so. i wish the first time it was done correctly. >> so that reference to the first time being the 1991 war where kuwait was the principle target. iraq had invaded kuwait. bush led a relatively short war there to restore sovereignty for kuwait. so you almost could hear in
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trump's voice that he was not really prepared for that. in his rhetoric as a candidate, likes to brush that one off the map and jump to a 2004 interview where he was interviewed in "esquire" magazine. other times where he was more critical. but the statement about him always being opposed to the invasion of iraq has been proven false by all the fact checkers and he wants o to sort of push that one aside and pick up the time line at a later point where he was more critical. if you go right back to the first time he was asked his initial response in a public interview was to say, yeah, i think so. >> kelly o'donnell, thank you. standby for me. beth is here. as we look at the time line and go back to 14 years, that interview with howard stern was in september 2002. he says, yeah, i guess so. last night at the forum, he talked about the 2004 "esquire"
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magazine forum. in that interview i was against the iraq war. it's established in the affirmative of invasion. >> i mean, such a throwaway comment. under the howard stern show that the future president of the united states is asserting his iraq policy in a tossed off comment, but that does give us a record that gives us audio showing that indeed trump felt that way at the time. it's not surprising he had a different viewpoint because the war had turned unpopular. so he was more or less following along with public opinion. so as kelly o'donnell just said, his view has expanded and changed over time. he was for it when it was
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popular and turned against it when it became less popular. comparing it against secretary clinton, it's a hard thing to do. at the time, she was a u.s. senator. she cast a vote to go ahead and invade that country. so casting a vote to invade is a definitive move than sort of tossing off a comment on howard stern. >> they were also work iing off intelligence that they thought was actionable at that time. that's where many people came down. president obama voted no. hillary clinton voted yes. e.j. is working with us on thp story. i know you were listening to that, but in the forum last night with hillary clinton referencing her vote as a mistake, did she do a good enough job qualifying why she believed it to be a mistake in hindsig hindsight. >> i think she's said that over and over again. i think she's explained herself as well as anybody who cast a
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vote they now can do. if i go back to the good conversation you were having about trump for a second. it is not only that he said what e he said on howard stern as kelly and beth pointed out correctly, but in 2003 in the middle of the war, when the war started in its early days, trump called the war a tremendous success. i was going back as you were speaking to a lot of the fact checkers. so that statement he made today that he would have voted against the war, what history we have on this, and hs only a limited history because he wasn't in the congress, suggests otherwise that he gave that comment to howard stern. then he raided the war a success in 2003 and he wants everybody to forget all that and go to 2004. he's obviously trying to say now i am more dovish than hillary clinton. and that is why i think hillary
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clinton last night was so firm in saying i don't want to send ground troops into the middle east. but i think trump actually made a political mistake there because he began it with all this kitchen sink attack on clinton and perhaps could have gotten those attacks in the news by defending himself so much. he's got us all talking about what he did and didn't say about iraq. and i just don't think that helps him very much. >> he's on the record a week after the u.s. invaded iraq in 2003 he gave a different take. e he said the war is a mess. this was in "the washington post." then he told fox news that because of the war, the market is going up like a rocket. the shot is back with donald trump in cleveland and his education speech. let's dip back in. >> to elect officials at the city, state and federal level who support school choice. so important. my administration will partner
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with the leadership of inner city and any one of them in america. chicago, baltimore, detroit, cleveland, we love cleveland. we love cleveland. had a great experience in cleveland, that's all i know. and by the way, your police department did a phenomenal job during the convention. that's any city that's willing to run a pilot program to provide school choice to every child in it that community. in baltimore, for instance, that would mean more than $15,000 in funds available per student. can't beat that. i'm confident that the politicians will not be able to suppress the will of the people
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anymore. it's too much. too strong. eventually they break. they are politicians. they always break. they certainly break on trade for our country. we don't make any good deals. they break on an hourly basis. if e we could put a man on the moon, dig out the panama canal, and win two world wars, then i have no doubt that we as a nation can provide school choice to every disadvantaged child in america. if the states collectively contribute another $110 billion of their own education budgets towards school choice on top of the $20 billion in federal dollars, that could provide $12,000 in school choice funds to every single k-12 student who today is living in poverty.
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the money will follow the student. that means the student will be able to attend the public, private, charter or magnet school of their choice and each state will develop its own system that works best for them. they are going to develop systems, the likes of which you have never seen. some states will do better than others. then you're going to get those people to come to your state and then other things will be happening. it will be so exciting. and it's not really a question of the money because we will be saving money and having a far better education. as your presidential, i will be the nation's biggest cheerleader for school choice. i understand many stale, old politicians will resist. a lot of pressure. they have a lot of pressure on them. but it's time for our country to start thinking big.
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we spend too much time quibbling over the smallest words when we should spend our time dreaming about the great adventures that lie ahead. i will also support merit pay for teachers. the great teachers. so that we reward our best teachers instead of the failed tenure system that rewards bad teachers and punishes the good ones and the bad ones are making the same money and sometimes more than the good ones. can't have that. at the same time, we have to ensure that jobs are waiting for our young kids when they graduate high school and college. my policy will add millions of new jobs to our country. especially for african-american and hispanic communities. going to do such a great job. my plan to lift restrictions on the production of american
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energy will not only make home energy bills a lot cheaper, but it will add an estimated half a million jobs per year. by reducing radical regulations and overtaxation, we're bringing your taxes way down. we can bring thousands of new companies into our poorest communities. crucially, my trade reforms will create a manufacturing revival in america, as you know, all of your companies, cleveland is a great example. your companies are being ripped out of your community. your people will being left jobless and the government is being left with no taxes. we have a nearly 8 $800 billion annual trade deficit with the world. we have a deficit of $800 billion. who is negotiating these deals. who is dng it?
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