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aggression. donald trump insisted those recently lewd comments about women were just words. locker room talk, as he described it. the gop claimed over and over he never acted on any of the alaskas lialask actions like kissing or groping without consent and several women coming forward saying he's lying, allegations going back decades. >> it was a real shock when all of the sudden, his hands were all over me. >> embraced me and gave me a kiss on the lips and i remember being shocked. >> nbc news is not independently confirming these accusations and trump is denying all allegations and lashing out on twitter last hour. a source inside the campaign telling us they're now preparing, quote, big lawsuits against the outlets publishing what they call lies. let's get right to nbc's hallie jackson covering the trump campaign for us. what do we know?
>> reporter: hey there, craig. good morning. for days, donald trump has said that vulgar 2005 audio was simply locker room talk, words, not actions. but that's exactly what's being disputed by the women coming forward now. accusations trump and his campaign strongly deny. overnight, a flood of new allegations. multiple women who say donald trump touched or kissed them inappropriately. >> he was like an octopus. it was like he had six arms. he was all over the place. >> reporter: jessica leads tells the "new york times" more than three decades ago, she sat next to trump, a stranger on a flight. when he began groping her. >> when he started putting his hand up my skirt, and that was it. that was it. i was out of there. >> reporter: rachel crooks tells the times in 2005, when 22, she
introduced herself to the businessman at trump tower. instead of a handshake, he kissed her. there's natasha stoinof visiting mar-a-lago for an interview with the trumps. a pregnant melania upstairs. down stairs, donald trump inviting her into a room. she said, quote, i turned around and within seconds, he was pushing me against the wall and forcing his tongue down my throat. nbc news has not independently verified these allegations against trump. a lot of women going public after sunday night's debate when trump was pressed about his lewd comments during a 2005 "access hollywood" taping show owned by nbcuniversal. >> for the record, are you saying what you said on the bus, you did not kiss women without consent? >> i have great respect for women. nobody has more respect for women than i do. >> have you done those things? >> and i will tell you, no i have not. >> vigorously denying the new
accusations. in a statement, nbc news, a trump advisor says for "the new york times" to launch a completely false character assassination on a topic like this is dangerous. to reach back decades in an attempt to smear mr. trump, trivializes sexual assault and sets a new low for where the media is willing to go in its efforts to determine this election. regarding the "people" magazine accusation, a trump spokesperson said this never happened. there is not merit or voracity to this fictional story. why was this not reported at the time? allegations building on others. in an exclusive interview with nbc news, temple taggart, miss utah, recalling meeting him at the time he owned. >> he turned to me, embraced me and gave me a kiss on the lips. i remember being shocked. >> reporter: taggart said she didn't consider it assault.
just awkward. >> how are you? >> reporter: she was upset when she heard the vulgar audio of trump. >> i don't want to get emotional but yeah, it's really hard because you think of sending your little daughter out there. sorry, with men like that, that think like that. >> reporter: despite photos of trump and taggart together, trump tells nbc said, i don't know anything about her or who she is. adding, i emphatically deny this ridiculous claim. the trump campaign is demanding a retraction of "the new york times" story pointing to the publication a few weeks before election day calling it politically motivated. all of it as this morning, trump issues a series of tweets hitting back not just the "times" piece but the "people" magazine article as well. >> thank you. one other part of this story involves the miss teen usa pageant. that's an organization that was actually owned by donald trump from 1996 until 2015.
buzzfeed reporting four women in the 1997 pageant said trump came into the dressing room while they were changing? tasha dickson, a contestant said this wednesday. all right, let me read to you what she said. we don't have that sound bite here. tasha dixen said, he just came strolling in. no second to put a robe on or any clothing or anything. some girls were topless. other girls were naked. to the owner, come waltzing in when naked in a physically vulnerable position and then to have the pressure of the people that work for him telling us to go fawn all over him. that's from tasha dickson. trump talked about going back stage while owning and running adult beauty pageants in an interview on the howard stern show from 2005. this is just three months after
marrying his current wife, melania. >> i'll tell you. i'll go backstage before a show and everyone is getting dressed, ready, no men are anywhere and i'm allowed to go in because i'm the owner of the pageant and therefore, i'm inspecting it. make sure. >> you're like. >> is everyone okay? standing there with no clothes. is everyone okay? you see these incredible looking women, so i sort of get away things like that. >> responding saying in part, quote, these accusations have no merit and have already been disproven by many other individuals who were present. mr. trump has a fantastic record of empowering women throughout his career and a more accurate story would be to show how he's been a positive influence in the lives of so many. that coming from the trump campaign. with me now on the phone, women's rights attorney, gloria allred. gloria, i understand that you were also representing some women who are accusing donald
trump of inappropriate conduct. what can you tell us? >> hi, good morning, craig. let's put it this way. as i have been saying for days, women have been contacting me about inappropriate conduct involving mr. trump. i do not represent any of the women who have come forward at this point. but -- >> these are different women who have come to you. >> yes. >> what kinds of conduct are they alleging? >> well, this is, i have no comment on this today. but all i'll say is inappropriate conduct by mr. trump. women who make those allegations contacted me both before that "access hollywood" video with billy bush came out last friday. we'll see what happens but i'm not surprised the women who have
come forward have come forward although i didn't know anything about them prior to their coming forward but i will say this, craig. the dam has broken. he cannot hold it back anymore. i knew as soon as he denied actions, not just his words, which he couldn't deny because they were on the video, but as soon as he denied he actually acted on that, i knew women would begin to come forward because we can't hold hthem bac anymore. women are empowered. this is 2016. they're not going to be sigh len silenced. they're willing to take risks. the women we know about that have come forward this morning and who came forward yesterday publicly, they may be among the first. they will not be the last. >> i know you're reluctant to characterize the conduct the women are alleging. can you tell me if these
allegations are from the last year or so or are these allegations that go back decades? >> i really can't comment on the specifics. there may be a point soon when i will be able to, but it's not going to be today. but all i can say is, you know, the threats to sue, "new york times," and if he decides he's going to threaten to sue any of the women, you know, i don't think it's going to stop the torrent of women from coming forward. because they are very upset about what he said and i don't think that, you know, at this time that he's going to be able to stop what is happening. >> are these women who have come to you, are they at some point in the near future going to
beco becomeing forward to tell their story sfl. >> we'll have to wait and see. >> are you planning legal action? >> you know, i don't have any comment other than that, but i will say, you know, i think that, you know, what mr. trump has suggested that on one of the recorded interviews with him that he could get away with things, all i can say is this is the era of accountability for rich, powerful famous men who think that they can do whatever they want to women, whenever they want to women. if that's what they think, they are going to find that they are wrong. that women will not any longer suffer in silence. they will fight back against the injustice against them. and apparently, for some of the women who have spoken to "the new york times," they allege they told other people early on about the same allegations that
they're speaking about today. so i think the voters will just have to judge for themselves but the idea mr. trump is saying, somehow, this is all political. i think it's absurd and maybe he doesn't understand journalism and what the media is going to do when he makes certain statements. ter they're going to investigate it to find out if they're accurate. >> women's right. gloria allred, in contact with other women claiming misconduct, if you will, by mr. trump. >> craig, let me just say. i think that's confidential, the attorney/client, and women can feel to me and never disclose what they said unless they decide that's what they want and unless i decide it's in their best interest to do so. >> thank you for your time. keep us posted. >> thank you. >> here with me now, trump campaign senior advisor boris p
epste epstein. thank you for coming on. before we get into that notwithstanding, jessica leeds from "the new york times." i want to read this. trump put his hand up her skirt on an airplane. rachel said trump kissed her. natasha, the "people" magazine writer said trump invited her into a room at mar-a-lago, pushed her against the wall and in her words, trump forced his tongue down her throat and former pageant winners said trump walked in various states, undressed and gave her a kiss on the lips. are all of these women lying? >> well, craig, i think on the previous segment, you said nbc was not able to independently verify any of these stories. unless they're verified, it's up to mr. trump to say that, and he
has said vehemently he did not commit any of these acts. >> all of these women are making it up? >> he denies it. these stories, and i'm not going to here and until there's proof, they shouldn't be out there in the news. there's no story. >> these women shouldn't be coming forward? >> they can. and if there's proof, "the new york times" should write about it. "people" magazine. why was this not in the original story? the same writer wrote a glowing story about mr. trump and melania and now ten years later. >> they said they've come out now because of what he said at the debate. when he was pressed by anderson cooper whether he actually did what he claimed to have done on the bus. >> miss leeds exposed as a clinton supporter and donor too. >> we're not sure, but she did contact the clinton campaign. >> let's take a step back here. this is obviously a coordinated effort by the clinton campaign and the media.
>> boris. the palm beach post working in cahoots with "the new york times," nbc news. >> you think it's an accident it all came out? >> with gloria allred. >> so it's a vast left wing conspiracy? >> that's not what i'm saying. it's a coordinated effort. gloria allred will do anything for a tv ad. gloria allred sighines from med. she came on your program, wouldn't answer any questions and said, these -- >> first of all, i'm used to people coming on my program and not answering any questions. >> and saying what they may or may not be. >> several of these women have come forward using their names, mind you, which one could argue that if a woman comes forward decades after abuse or her own name, that's putting her neck out there and for you to say and others to claim that all of these women are either embellishing the the story or
-- >> you believe juanita brodrick as much as these women? >> i'm glad you brought that up. this is something jason miller said. quote, this was in hallie's piece. to reach back decades in an attempt to mr. trump trifl i trivializes. >> absolutely not. juanita brodrick. let me answer you. juanita has independent proof. is that going to get the same attention these claims are getting which mr. trump vehemently denies and nbc cannot prove? because if they are, we should be talking about juanita. talk about how much hillary clinton smeared and shamed and bullied these women. come on. do you think the clintons have a leg to stand on here? >> this is going to be the campaign strategy for the next 27 days. >> no. >> first of all, where's the proof? paula jones was paid $150,000. >> juanita brodrick?
>> independently verified and as far as hillary clinton's campaign to smear, carl bernstein, by no means a right winger, wrote to lead the campaign to discredit the campaign. the authors of the book. >> where's the proof that hillary clinton has gone after these women? there's never been any sort of -- >> carl bernstein's book. two authors for "the new york times," she led the effort to smear. she led the effort. >> so to be clear, for the next three plus weeks, the position of the donald trump campaign, position of the campaign is anytime one of these women comes forward and makes a claim like we've been reporting over the last 24 hours, that you guys are going to say, well,n this isn't true but you should look at hillary clinton, bill clinton. >> this is an obvious distraction. if not for this phantom information, we could be talking about wikileaks or the clinton campaign berating and disparaging catholics in
e-mails. how they referred to latinos as needy. the collusion and the fancy cocktail parties that a lot of the media go to together with the clinton campaign. that's what we should be talking about. the collusion between the doj. 76% of people want change. they're part of this rigged old washington, dc system. >> boris epshteyn. thank you. >> thank you, sir. coming up, minutes ago, wikileaks dropped its latest and largest rounds of leaked clinton campaign e-mails that happened in the course of our conversation here. the campaign, as you know, still under fire following one high level staffer's apparent leaked comments about religion. surprising new swing state polling steve kornacki taking us to the map. you're watching msnbc, the place for politics. when i was a little kid, i made a deal with myself
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hillary clinton maintaining a low public profile today. fund raising in the west coast but a few moments ago, word that wikileaks has dropped another trove of these hacked e-mails. kristen welker in las vegas this morning. i know we just got these things in a few moments ago. have we had an opportunity to sift through any of them? >> reporter: we're sifting through them right now, craig. no headlines yet. i will tell you, this is the sixth document relating to these i mails fr e e-mails. yesterday's document dump for one e-mail in particular. this e-mail was written back in 2011 by jennifer palmieri.
current communications director for secretary clinton but worked for a group called american progress. she was communicating with a colleague about a news article that had been written about catholics and then sent this e-mail writes, their rich friends wouldn't understand if they became evangelicals. that is a comment getting a lot of criticism, particularly from the trump campaign. i had the opportunity to speak to jen palmieri about it on secretary clinton's campaign saying she doesn't recognize that e-mail. she pointed the finger at the russians. and nbc news has not independently authenticated these e-mails but look at what jen palmieri had to say. >> i'm a catholic. i don't recognize that e-mail that we saw, and this whole effort is led by the russians. the russians orchestrated this hack. >> reporter: now intelligence
officials also say they believe the russians are behind these hacks. john podesta also weighing in, craig, very strong terms today. he sent out this statement that said this level of meddling by a foreign power can only be aimed at boosting donald trump and should send chills down the spine of all americans. this race continues to get increasingly bitter. secretary clinton, as you've been reporting all hour long has opened up a sizable lead in the polls. today, she will be off the campaign trail fund raising. of course, these daily document dumps only complicate her campaign and raise thorny issues almost on a daily basis. that's one of the challenges into the final stretch and point out while she's off the trail today, top democratic surrogates including the president, vice president, and first lady will be campaigning for her, craig? >> kristen welker from the strip, it would seem there in las vegas. good to see you. thank you. who's voted so far? a look at our exclusive new nbc
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it's a move that stunned donald trump staffers in virginia. pulling out of the commonwealth. a source telling nbc news that trump is now essentially running a four-state campaign focusing on the battlegrounds of virginia, north carolina, ohio. they pull out of virginia. how do they then get to 270? >> why they're stepping out of virginia because this is kind of amazing if you think it. that was the key swing state in 2012 and 2008. it was a republican state before
then. i mean, check that out. hillary clinton a 13 point lead there. part of that is having someone from virginia. tim kaine, it's also those suburbs. those northern virginia suburbs of washington, dc. donald trump is just getting blown out there. so look, if virginia is off the board near the trump campaign. when they say four state strategy now. north carolina. they need to hold the state that mitt romney won in 12020-2012 a absolutely have to have florida. hillary clinton is probably a couple points ahead in florida but would have to get florida. they would have to get ohio and ohio is a state where trump was leading in september. he's now fallen behind. the fourth state though, this is where it really gets shaky if you're the trump campaign. pennsylvania. they say that's the fourth one and you could see if they got pennsylvania, that would flip it. he'd be over 270. he'd be there. but take a look inside the numbers in pennsylvania. brand new poll out today. hillary clinton leading by 9
points. the reason for it, we said, it's the suburbs of washington, dc. in pennsylvania, the suburbs of philadelphia. they are so overwhelmingly for clinton and against trump. tough to see him winning that state. >> a number have already started early voting going on in a number of these states. i know we've got exclusive new reporting on that. what can you tell us? >> look at this. it's kind of amazing. we haven't even had the third presidential debate yet. half a million people in this country have voted already. look at some of these key battleground state that's taking place. iowa, obviously, virginia, wisconsin. they're in the books now. people have done them. we can show you. i'll quickly go through this and not sure it will make much sense to people, but blue. like in iowa, that jumps out. virginia, wisconsin. more democratic ballots. democratic voters who are voting early. if you went back to 2012, you see the lines were a little bit closer in 2012. so you are seeing evidence in a lot of these states that more democrats right now are voting
early. >> can we go back to 2016 for a quick second? the assumption here, not to oversimplify but the assumption would be in wisconsin. 55% of those who have cast early ballots are democrats. so is the assumption is that clinton is up by 20 points? >> there's some advantage in there and like i said, we haven't figured out. i get a little bit nervous in two absolute terms because you don't know who they're voting for and look at this advantage they're getting. how many of these people would have just voted on election day otherwise? so is this something democrats? we know the clinton campaign, much more organized at the ground level than the trump campaign is, obviously. that probably accounts for some of this but is this an advantage they otherwise wouldn't have? that's the key question. >> taking us through the numbers on the map. always good to have you. thank you for the insight. the trump campaign pushing back forcefully this morning on those new allegations from four women who claim trump either touched or kissed them inappropriately years ago. i talked to trump advisor,
senior advisor boris just a few moi moments ago. >> he said vehemently did not commit any of the acts. >> all of these women are making it up? >> listen, these stories, and i'm not going to go through each one of them but until proof, they shouldn't be out there in the news. >> msnbc's chief legal correspondent ari melber is here. we should point out for the purposes of this conversation we have not confirmed, nbc has not independently confirmed any of these allegations. trump denying all of these allegations. let's put the political ramifications aside. legally, what is he looking at here potentially? >> what he's facing now that's different than before is people accusing him of what, in several states, would amount to at least some kind of misdemeanor. that's a bad thing but we've analyzed this here in the legal unit this morning. most of the statute of limitations have run. that means the deadline is over and he's not facing any potential criminal charge here.
something that many pointed out including lisa bloom earlier on our air, it's not uncommon to see women in this situation delay before speaking out or ever seeking to press charges. that doesn't speak to the voracity of the underlying claims. >> i do want to read this statement from the trump campaign on t"the new york time" reporting. this entire article is fiction and for "the new york times" to launch a coordinated character assassination is dangerous. to reach back decades in an attempt to smear mr. trump trivializes sexual assault and sets a new low to determine this election. lawyers threatening to sue "the new york times." if they were to sue the "times" and one of the other publications, a news network, would trump then not have to be deposed in the case? >> he would be deposed, certainly, if this case went forward and the voracity of the
claims would be pursued. in civil court, even though they can't be pursued for the reasons i explained. this criminal court, it would be dangerous for donald trump to begin this type of litigation for himself, just because it would reach so much into his life and history even if he feels he would be vindicated. a couple of other points here, craig, it's a "new york times" case that establishes the high bar of why any public figure likely to lose this case because he would have to prove not only they were false as he claims and we don't know the answer to that but "the new york times" knew they were false or some secret effort within this publication and others, "people" magazine publishing this to hurt him above and beyond whether the claims can be adjudicated. the other point in fairness of donald trump, it is not the case from historical precedent that a delay in charges means they are false. this allegation or insinuation that women delayed means they're making it up.
that is not necessarily borne out. keep in mind, in the middle of a heated campaign, many swirling agendas. it is certainly fair for the trump campaign to argue and for us to keep in mind that the closing weeks of the campaign, all kinds of charges can be about and we should take care to deal with them independently. as reporters and hopefully as citizens, we should bear in mind there are allegations and also denials. there are quite frankly a lack of video and physical evidence for most of the underlying allegations and the other big difference is to point out you have newly disclosed audio evidence or testimonial evidence of mr. trump seeming to describe conduct that seems to match what some of the women are alleging. i would say that is the biggest editorial or journalistic problem is people weigh these but again, as you said up top, to be responsible, we haven't confirmed all these allegations at this point, craig. >> thank you.
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shhhh, you'll anger it. he looks a little ticked off now. the latest allegations with unwanted advances by donald trump may cost him support among evangelical christians. jerry faldwell jr. said he's still backing trump. >> i'm going to vote for donald trump because i believe he's the best qualified to be president of the united states. and i'm not going to say anything to the character of the women. it's the heat of an election. >> but a group of liberty university students known as liberty united against trump rebuked falwell said we want nothing to do with him. he's made his name maligning others and bragging about his
sids. ceo of the christian organization. bob, thank you for being with me sir. >> great to be with you. >> you have called for trump to resign from the republican ticket. i believe you did that on friday. will you still vote for him if he doesn't? >> i think, craig, what i am like a lot of other christians. right now, we go to our knees and we pray for this country. when you see two seriously flawed candidates and knowing that our hope is not into an imperfect candidate but into a perfect god, that's where the christians are. that's where the faith community is right now. we're putting this before the lord to see what do we do in the voting booth on november 8th? when i called on mr. trump to withdraw from the race on saturday morning, the primary reason i did that was i believe mike pence would be better to beat hillary clinton. the ultimate goal is to beat hillary clinton and have conservative principles and leadership in the white house. obviously, i think these allegations have come out
against trump. the tape that have been released, the women coming forward. seriously damages his chances of being president. so if i'm going to vote for him on november 8 or not, i don't know that yet but i know what i'm doing is calling on the church to be a church and i want to be a part of that. and that is putting this before the lord. >> i don't want to get into a philosophical conversation about faith but i'm a christian and the kind of christian that i am, you ask for forgiveness. he's never done that. for anything. to my knowledge, in public, has he, to your knowledge ever asked for forgiveness about anything? >> i don't know if mr. trump has ever asked for forgiveness. i know when he was our on stage back in august of 2015, frank lutz asked him that question. he had said no. part of being a christian, there's no doubt, forgiveness is
the corner job stostone. seeking repentance. we all fall short of the glory of god and one that makes us right with god through his son jesus christ. and so. >> but you have to acknowledge that. you have to acknowledge it. and if you don't acknowledge that, then can you claim to be a christian? >> well, craig, there's no doubt. it would be easier for me and when i met with trump one on one back in june, i said, listen, i'll still be a friend of yours. that doesn't mean i'm going to endorse or vote for you. so when you do things right, i'll cheer you on. and i'll hold you accountable when he does wrong. the last incident when the tape was released in 2005. instead of dismissing that as locker room talk, i would have liked to see him be completely repentant, remorseful, and asking not just from the family but the entire country. >> he didn't do that. but yet you are still not,
condemn is a strong word. you're familiar with "christian today." they put this in an editorial today calling for evangelicals to drop trump. they said the latest revelations from trump's past caused many evangelical leaders to reconsider. the revelations of his vile and crude boasting about sexual conquest, indeed, sexual assault, might have been shocking but they should have surprised no one. that coupled with what we're now hearing over the last 24, 36 hours from various women. what do you hear from women evangelicals? >> well, there's no doubt. the head of the iowa gop women, melissa just withdrew her support and stepping down from her position saying she can no longer support trump. if she can't trump support, she'll step down from the position. christians, people of faith, women in particular, they're all reassessing, reconsidering. and that's why we're saying,
think bigger than 2016. think bigger than trump and hillary. our hope is not in a flawed candidate. our hope is in a perfect god. now, when we go to the voting booth on november 8, whether you're #allinfortrump o or #nevertrump. but don't put hope into any single person. >> that's a good spot to leave it. always enjoy your insight and your perspective. >> thank you, god bless you. days after several of donald trump supporters denounced nominee and pulled support, a number of them are back but for how long? how the last 24 hours of controversy is impacting the gop civil war. that's next. what is success? is it a professor who never stops being a student? is it a caregiver determined to take care of her own?
anybody else. it's hillary clinton. donald trump tries to make the case because the elite media won't. he has to make a case that's clear, unified, simple, the people understand. >> former house speaker, donald trump supporter, newt gingrich said to stop attacking the current speaker of the house, paul ryan. i'm joined by rick tyler. former spokesman for the ted cruz campaign. always good to have you, sir. also a spokesman for newt gingrich at one point as well. >> i was. >> is the trump campaign, are they even listening to someone like newt gingrich right now? ben carson saying the same thing as well essentially. >> apparently not. newt was very explicit about not going back to bill clinton who's not running for president. trump ignored that advice and brought out three women who accused bill clinton of sexual misconduct and one who hillary clinton represented. she was claiming she was raped
and hillary clinton represented as a lawyer the defendant in the case and advised not to go there. chris christie, ben carson, newt gingrich advised him not to do certain things, and so there's a little bit of a split in the circle with donald trump always taking his own counsel. >> is there a potential benefit here maybe we're missing? i mean, is there benefit in trump taking on the establishment? paul ryan? john mccain, the list goes on. is there some sort of upside that maybe i'm missing? >> what you're seeing is the breitbart ring of the party. if you win, you win the white house. what is it you get? and we don't seem to know the answer to that question. they don't seem to have an underlying governing principle. conservatives do. but not a leader. they don't seem to have money or a message and then you have the establishment there, the status
quo and they definitely have leadership. they definitely have money but it's going, that's what people have been ejecting. so you have these three wings of the party. donald trump will lose on election day. and the fight will be over. which faction is going to dominate? i do think the breitbart wing. they're media savvy. they donknow how to raise money. they'll blame for not fighting with donald trump, for peeling off when he was trying to defeat hillary clinton. and we'll just have a big old brawl about it. >> word today that the trump campaign essentially pulled out of the state in which you live, virginia, no more television in the commonwealth. they're slashing staff there as well. it was thought to be a legitimate battleground state. what's the strategy here? why pull out of virginia? >> they're running out of resources and out of battleground states to fight in. craig, on election night, you need to look to florida. if he loses florida, it's over.
north carolina, if he loses that, it's over. pennsylvania, he could lose and will likely lose. if he then loses ohio, it's over. ed mcmullen at 22% in utah and hillary clinton and donald trump at a tie in utah. if he loses utah, it's hard to make it up. you could look at the map in many different ways and as steve kornacki did, it's very, very difficult to get donald trump to enough electors to secure the presidency. they're focused. they have one strategy left. they can't expand the base so go scorched earth and press the vote for hillary clinton but he's an imperfect messenger for that. >> thank you, sir. united states firing back against attacks from yemeni rebels. more threats on the horizon. we're live at the pentagon next. it's about moving forward not back. it's looking up not down. it's feeling up thinking up
on u.s. navy ships from a rebel controlled area of yemen. nbc's hanz nichols. why are u.s. ships off yemen being attacked, hanz? >> the theory is, just a theory, no one confirmed that independently here at the pentagon but because the united states is supporting saudi arabia and saudi arabia is running a vicious and some would say contrary to human rights campaign against the rebels. they're there lashing. remember the u.s. does supply some air fueling, some support to the saudi mission. what they're saying is they're defending the territory waters when u.s. officials say those navy ships are in international waters starting 12 miles off the coast. >> i want to ask you about white house press secretary josh ernest's comments yesterday that the united states will deliver a, quote, proportional response to alleged russian hacking of u.s.-based computer systems. what might that proportional
response look like? >> usually when you hear proportional, that means they're still calibrating their response and figure out what exactly they'll do and in the past with cyber attacks, mainly with the chinese companies, they used the naming and shaming as sufficient sort of punishment and you see modification of behavior. we'll see whether or not the behavior of the russians is modified by this naming and shaming. but there's a difference with chinese companies in 2010 and what we have right now which is loosely aligned hack groups and to inflict damages but the question is do you take damage, action against the russian state or just these groups? >> at the pentagon this morning, hanz, thank you, sir. coming up, the man whose music marked and made history. that man has a new title.
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start in the next hour where we could hear from donald trump the first time. and this morning, actress aryan zuker speaking out in an nbc news exclusive. and new developments in the police shooting death of an african-american man, keith scott. three gunshot wounds including one to the back, the autopsy independent called on by family and talk with the family's attorney about the results. good morning, everyone. i'm tamron. a lot to talk about this morning. live at msnbc headquarters this morning. donald trump is taking to twitter to blast new sexual assault allegations by four women who claim he touched or kissed them inappropriately. two of those women make their claims in