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brian, thank you, appreciate it. that's going to do it for this hour. i'm steve kornacki. "mtp daily" starts right now. if it's thursday as the presidential race takes yet another ugly turn, voters are left wondering, where do we go from here? tonight donald trump promises vindication from a list of disturbing new allegations. >> they're pure fiction and they're outright lies. >> plus the one word michelle obama would not use as she took on trump's taped comments. >> it has shaken me to my core in a way i couldn't have predicted. >> and how the clinton campaign is handling the latest round of wikileaks revelations. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now.
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good evening, i'm peter alexander in washington. chuck will be back in his seat tomorrow. welcome to "mtt ba trk"mtp dail could be the most difficult stretch for donald trump. more have come forward with sexual allegations against the represent can nominee, none of which nbc news have confirmed, important to note, and all of which trump himself denies. this afternoon donald trump shot back, slamming his accusers as liars. >> these vicious claims about me of inappropriate conduct with women are totally and absolutely false. these claims are all fabricated. they're pure fiction and they're outright lies. these events never, ever happened and the people that said them meekly fully understand, you take a look at these people, you study these
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people and you'll understand also. these people are horrible people. they're horrible, horrible liars. >> trump also specifically went after "people" magazine reporter natasha stoynof who wrote about an alleged 2005 incident of trump, quote, forcing his tongue down my throat. part of trump's response? look at her. >> take a look. you take a look. look at her. you look at her words. you tell me what you think. i don't think so. i don't think so. >> here are some of the other allegations that trump is now facing. one that's getting a lot of attention is from 74-year-old jessica leeds. this is what she told the "new york times" about an incident in the 1980s while sitting next to trump on a first class flight to new york. >> he was like an octopus. it was like he had six arms. he was all over the place. if he had stuck with the upper part of the body, i might not
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have gotten -- i might not have gotten that upset. it's when he started putting his hand up my skirt and that was it. that was it. i was out of there. >> another woman went public in the "new york times" story. rachel crooks alleged that in 2005 trump, quote, kissed me directly on the mouth. i was so upset, she said. her account is similar to a former beauty pageant contestant who alleged trump kissed her on the mouth back in 1997. then there's the account of the teen beauty queens who say trump walked in on them changing, though others are disputing that account. another one told the huffington post about an incident in the '90s when trump looked up a skirt in a restaurant. in addition to aggressively denying all the allegations, the trump campaign says it's proceeding with a lawsuit against the "new york times" and
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potentially against other media outlets for reporting these allegations. a lawyer for the "new york times" responded today declining trump's request for -- not even a request, a demand for a retraction saying, quote, we did what the law allows. we published newsworthy information about a subject of deep public concern. if mr. trump disagrees, we welcome the opportunity to have a court set him straight. this afternoon first lady michelle obama took aim at trump's conduct, delivering an emotional appeal to voters while on the stump for hillary clinton. she was in new hampshire. >> if we have a president who routinely degrades women, who bragz about sexually assaulting women, then how can we maintain our moral authority in the world? how can we continue to be a beacon of freedom and justice and human dignity? >> we're joined now by trump supporter congressman jim bridenstein of oklahoma.
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congressman bridenstein, good to see you. >> thank you. >> are you still supporting donald trump after these allegations? >> what we have before us is a choice between two people. the challenge here is severe. i mean, neither one of these candidates are perfect. certainly i just heard the words of michelle obama. i wonder if she would have that same sentiment towards bill clinton. you have to remember that when hillary clinton was the first lady, she attempted to silence and shame the victims of bill clinton. she did this by saying that these victims were part of a vast right-wing conspiracy and that they're going to do investigations into these women and these women are going to have a lot to answer for. these are the words of the democratic nominee. i think it would be appropriate for michelle obama to have the same outrage towards hillary clinton as she does toward donald trump. >> so congressman bridenstein, if i can, let me pull this up. the campaign said a few days ago these kinds of alleged victims deserve to be heard.
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kellyanne conway, donald trump campaign manager, said the same thing. she said, retweet if you think ever survivor of sexual assault deserves to be believed and supported. doesn't that sort of support the argume -- defeat the argument that every woman deserves to be heard? >> it absolutely doesn't defeat the argument. anita broderick accused women of rape. paula told hillary clinton that they were part of a vast conspiracy. >> so you believe right now that there is value of hearing from all these women now that came out in bulk, at least six today, saying they were victims of inappropriate touching, sexual misconduct in effect from donald trump. you deserve thobelieve those st deserve to be told and they're part of a news conference right
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now. there are women who had allegations against bill clinton. that happened, and now there's a new allegations taking place, correct? >> i agree that this whole campaign has gone right into the gutter, which should have been anticipated. i work hard for a different candidate in the republican primary. now we're in a position of picking between two candidates. what is before us is the supreme court of the united states, the southern border of the united states, obamacare. there are very real issues that are at stake in this election. so while both of these campaigns go into the gutter, it's important for americans to understand what is at stake in this election. >> so just to be very clear, do you condone donald trump's treatment of these new accusers, that they are, quote, horrible, horrible liars? >> i don't have enough information to condemn or approve of. look, these are all allegations -- >> do you think they should be heard? >> i think in this particular case, when you look at the evidence, if you've got a jury in front of you, you tell the
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jury you need to listen to all the evidence on all sides and make your own determination. we are in the middle of an election here. this election is pivotal in the history of our country. and based on what is at stake, all the evidence needs to be heard, absolutely. >> so help me understand. what's going on inside the campaign right now? you're one of the top surrogates, you're a big supporter out there who has been speaking on his behalf recently. this is what newt gingrich, one of donald trump's ardent supporters, said earlier today. >> going forward, is he listening to you? >> no. >> what is going on behind the scenes that you know right now that might be the reason these needles are not being threaded the way they should be? >> i honestly don't know. i'm mystified. i can't make sense of it. >> can you make sense of what's going on right now? >> what i will tell you is i have absolutely no idea what's going on behind the scenes, because i am not behind the scenes. in fact, i have never met donald
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trump before. i'm an independent member of congress who has made a determination that what is at stake in this election is larger than donald trump. it is more important than just one man. we have the supreme court that could very well go 7-2 liberal if we pick the wrong president of the united states. >> 7-2 liberal. so you're seeing several court seats opening up in the course of the next few years. >> i think that's a real possibility, and i think if that's at stake, we need to make sure -- we need to talk about the issues that are important to the american people as we go forward as a nation to avoid going right in the gutter. >> and one of the congressmen who want to do that very same thing is the speaker of the house, public speaker paul ryan. you tweeted yesterday, if paul ryan isn't for trump, then i'm not for paul ryan. help me understand it. is there nothing trump could say or do that would cost your support? >> a couple of things. when you think about what is at stake, given what is at stake if paul ryan is not for trump, then
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i'm not for paul ryan. that is an if/then statement. i'm here to support republicans. we have three and a half weeks left. let's stay united, gets reach the finish line and let's make sure we don't turn the country over to hillary clinton. >> you know people don't feel like you do, don't you? >> i do, but i think it's wrong to turn the reins over to hillary clinton. that is not the right answer in the situation that is before us. as far as what donald trump could do that would make me lose his support, i would tell you, if he starts embracing the policies of hillary clinton, he will lose my support. >> let me understand, though. is there any chance that dumping donald trump could actually help members of congress, potentially senators? in nevada we have new numbers recently out that show the candidate for senate, joe heck, is actually doing just as well, if not better, after dumping donald trump.
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>> and joe heck is a good friend of mine. we need to make sure we elect joe heck. i used to live in fernley, nevada. >> so there is a value in trump? >> however the rest of the ballot does, the rest of the down ballot is either lifted or depressed based on what the top of the ballot does. that's all historical evidence. if there is some idea out there you can distance yourself from the top of the ballot and somehow rise on the down ballot, there is no historical evidence of that. i don't support that assessment. i do believe what's at stake is credit critical on the top of the ticket as well as down ballot. >> thank you very much for your time. i appreciate it. >> thank you. analyst and former cruz campaign director. and ruth marcus is a columnist and deputy editorial page editor
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at the "washington post." nice to see you all here. rick, i want to get your reaction having heard from the congressman right now. >> he's in a pickle like a lot of these members are. the problem is they sign on, then they sign off, and they're on again, off again. he's got a group of on again-off again surrogates. michelle obama is very popular, joe biden, all these surrogates. she doesn't have to work very hard to get a lot of attention, and his surrogates look like they're peeling off. >> amy, what's donald trump's end game here? what's striking to me is when all these allegations came out, the campaign director jay miller said bringing up decades-old allegations, you trivialize sexual assault. then they bring out decades-old allegations against donald trump. >> i understood the strategy of the campaign, which is our base is going to win us this
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election. >> depressed turnout. >> not even about depressed turnout, it's that we can win with the kinds of people that show up and support us at those trump rallies. there are millions of voters that once they show up, it's going to make up for the fact that we're losing non-white voters, that we're losing white voters with a college degree, we're losing women. it's okay because we have more in this core base. that's what he did in the rally, that's what he did in the debate. that's what we'll see in the next few weeks which is burn it all down, go after the establishment, go after all that have wronged us and show up to vote to show them they need to take us seriously. >> ruth, if that is the strategy, can it be a successful one? >> no. but burning it all down encapsulates it. they will make any argument even if it contradicts an argument they've made against the other side. women deserve to be believed
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except the horrible, horrible liars who say things about donald trump. women -- what he did today was kind of a combination of scary and astonishing. you're going to go after this "people" magazine reporter who wrote a very powerful article explaining what she says happened to her and why she didn't come forward, and his argument against her is, have you looked at that face, shades of carly fiorina? that's going to get you more women votes, come on. >> perhaps the most popular woman in the country right now is michelle obama. she was the most passionate. perhaps the best two speeches all year have come from michelle obama. she said don't let the weather keep you home on election night. >> we can't sit here and wring our hands. we need to recover from our shock and depression and do what every woman has done in this country. we need you to roll up your sleeves.
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we need to get to work. because remember this. when they go low, we go -- >> high! >> yes, we do. >> amy, you crunched the numbers. does this appeal work? will it bring out those suburban women? >> right now it's definitely working. you've seen numbers coming out of pennsylvania and the philadelphia suburbs where hillary clinton has a lead like we've never seen before for a democrat. and that, i think, is powered a lot by women. the polls that have come out in the last couple days, the biggest drop for trump or the biggest increase for hillary clinton has been about women and independence. i just don't think continuing to get in a fight, as donald trump seems to want to do, about past indiscretions about women, is the way to bring the party back. >> what does the trump wing of the party look going forward? >> the party is virtually splitting. to tami's point, the trump campaign is depending on.
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but what the party is facing right now is you were watching it divide. you were watching, the bart part of the party, and they would like to impose winning at all costs. the problem is they don't have any underlying governing philosophy. we have one but we have to way to articulate it and no money. then you have the establishment which everyone is mad at, they have relief and money and they want to hold onto the power. >>. at this hour, donald trump is in columbus, ohio. he's about to give a millennial policy speech. we'll keep an eye on that. you'll see the podium is set. he'll take to the. brand new poll numbers after
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this break. and the clinton campaign tackling another fallout on the russian rule in the email hack. we're going to talk to adam schiff. you're watching "mtp daily." ♪ because if you let yourself embrace them, you'll never forget them. the new marriott portfolio of hotels now has 30 brands in over 110 countries. so no matter where you go, you are here. join or link accounts at members.marriott.com.
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? the last week, including two brand new numbers. let's go to those numbers. first, ohio. donald trump now leads hillary
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clinton there by one point. he, of course, is speaking at an event in columbus. any moment we will take you there. but clinton is on top by four points in north carolina. both the ohio poll and north carolina polls were taken after the 2005 trump comments surfaced and after the debate. in a most recent florida poll, clinton is up three points there among unlikely voters. finally, clinton is up -- and this may be the dagger for the trump campaign at this time -- 12 points in the latest poll. remember, that was before the tape. trump needs four dire states and right now he is only leading in one of them.
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same moment and all together at the same time as wikileaks releases documents exposing the massive international corruption of the clinton machine, including 2,000 more e-mails just this morning. >> that was donald trump earlier today in florida. he has just taken the stage at an event in columbus, ohio, home to the ohio state university. we want to listen to the republican nominee very briefly. >> beautiful people, incredible future, and we're going to have jobs for you when you get out of college, okay? you don't have them right now. we had a very bad jobs report. we're going to have big, big jobs where you have lots of choice, okay? >> we love you! >> we're really happy to be back. i love you, too. and i do like columbus. we've had great success in columbus and great friendships. i have great friends from columbus. i want to make sure that you request your absentee ballot. how many people here are old
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enough to vote? i'd say that's pretty good. now work a little bit harder, okay? remind your friends and family to do the same. we're now 26 days -- think of it -- 26 days away from the most important election of even your lifetimes and you have a long life ahead of you. a long, long life. but our country is going wrong. and we have only just begun to fight. we're going to make this country so great again. if we win, we'll create a booming and thriving economy for young americans and jobs for young americans. to me it's so important. we'll create safe communities, lower taxes, leaner government, affordable child care and health care and a government that's honest and decent and fair. you don't have that now.
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we are going to be -- [ cheering ] [ chanting ] >> so young and so jaded already. but you understand life. i'm impressed. you understand life at a young age. we are the campaign of change, you know that? we will deliver jobs, opportunity and justice for future generations, your generations. i've wanted this race, and you know that, to be about the issues. we won by everybody's account the other night. we had a debate with crooked hillary. [ booing ] >> and we won that debate.
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i'm not saying that's what everybody is saying, i felt we won the debate. remember when she walked in front of me, and i stood, here's my podium and my chair and i'm standing. she walks right in front of me. then the next day she stood, answering a question, right? and she was right here and i was right here. never moved. and the next day the paper came in and said, i invaded her space. i invaded her space. no, we won that one and we look forward -- wednesday night we have another one with crooked hillary. and by the way, i don't know if you know the big wall street journal nbc poll just came out in ohio. we're only one up. no, you know what? and i say that kiddingly, we're one up. we got very unfairly battered by people i have no idea who these people are. i've been battered by people
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that i have no idea who they are, but we're one up in the nbc wall street journal poll which never treats me good, so we're one up in ohio, and it just came out in north carolina we're one up also. we're doing well. and she spent a fortune on ads -- a fortune -- here, in north carolina, just an absolute fortune. we're going to have some big surprises. there is going to be brexit all over again only even bigger. the clinton campaign has refused to discuss the issues. in fact, the wikileaks came out today. she's got no core. people are saying, what's her core? what's she talking about? i have a core. do you know what it is? make america great again. that's my core. >> we've been listening to donald trump who is courting millennials in columbus, ohio, of course, home to the ohio state university. a couple quick fact checks
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there. he said we had great success in ohio. he lost to governor john kasich by 11 points in the primary, but he is right by saying his new poll has him up 1% there. he's wrong by saying he's up one point in north carolina. the new poll has him down by four points in north carolina. they would need to win both of those states, as well as florida and pennsylvania to have a better shot at the white house this fall. we'll keep an eye on that speech. in the meantime, we are on a fifth day of a massive dump of wikileaks which appears to be hacked e-mails of alleged clinton campaign e-mails. they're pointing the finger at russia for this hack. quote, this level of meddling by
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a foreign power can only be aimed at boosting donald trump and should send which i wills down the spine of all americans. the campaign, as we noted, has not confirmed the authenticity of this, but at least in one of these hacks, hillary clinton speaks about how you need to have a public and private position on some issues in order to get things done. isn't this do yuplicitous? why not go after the hack itself but go after the sort of content of the information? >> well, i think a couple things. she addressed this during the debate and made the point that what she was talking about there was the fact that as a lincoln demonstrator, and this is after the lincoln film, you sort of make one appeal -- >> is that still the strategy, the honest abe answer? on the basic premise, though, of a public versus a private
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position, can we agree that there needs to be a better answer to separate positions? >> as i mentioned, this is what the secretary talked about during the debate, and i don't have a better answer not having been there for the speech or having the full transcript, but this just shows, i think, part of the problem with addressing, frankly, the partial leak of information by wikileaks. and on the intel committee where i'm the ranking member, what chiefly concerns me about this more than the content, which frankly, given the volume of the dumps is now becoming background noise in the campaign, is the fact you have a major power, an adversarial power, that is leaking information, hacking and leaking information with the design to influence the campaign. so i think voters need to keep this in mind. they may look at those comments in that transcript of secretary clinton and say, what did she mean by that? but they also have to keep in mind, who is doing this? who is leaking this and what is their purpose? >> understanding that the
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intelligence committee says russia is behind this in some form, but is there any true evidence that donald trump's campaign has any relation to russia? is there any evidence that donald trump has anything to do with whatever the heck russia is doing right now? >> i don't think you need evidence that the trump campaign is somehow coordinating their efforts with putin via some kind of hotline. the reality is he's made clear publicly that he's inviting russia to hack his opponent. he's urging them to do more. he's applauding the fact that wikileaks is releasing these stolen e-mails. he is praising putin, so if he needs a green light, they're already getting that in public from donald trump. there doesn't have to be more coordination than that. >> suffice it to say there is no evidence of any coordination at this point. >> i'm not aware of any evidence of coordination beyond the fact that donald trump is publicly calling for doing what they're doing. i do think it's important for voters to know that not only do we see the russians interfering
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with the election process as the administration acknowledged last week, but they're not doing it just as a general disruption, they're doing it to help a particular candidate, and that's donald trump. and that ought to be of great concern to all americans. >> what is america doing about these cyber breaches right now more broadly? this is a fear that it could impact the election itself. >> it begins with naming the responsible party, which senator feinstein and i have been urging them to come forward. but it will continue beyond that if the leaks continue as they are. i think probably the best thing the administration can do is work with european allies who have also been the subject of hacking and the dumping off and the misleading of information. it may require a combined action on sanctions again. that is one of the few things that seems to get russia's attention. they're trying to call out from the sanctions that have been imposed in ukraine last, and they want to see its new
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economic punishment. that to me is a better remedy than some cyber tit for tat. we could hack and dump information that is damaging to putin, for example, but i don't think that's really where we want to go. we certainly don't want to interfere with democratic institutions of russia. they're already under full assault by putin. so i think that the economic levers are probably the most powerful here. >> i want to ask you about another headline making news which is the missile attacks in yemen early this morning after being on the receiving end of attacks from rebel-controlled areas in that country. do we believe that those attacks are being pressed forward by iran? is iran ultimately the party behind these? >> they're certainly coming from huthi-controlled areas, and the huthis are in the league with the iranians. you have to think of this consequence, the huthis becoming so dependent on the iranians wouldn't do it without iranian knowledge, done at iranian
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direction -- >> are we moving to involvement in a civil war there? >> i don't think we're moving to involvement such as american ground troops or anything like that. we are going after al qaeda there, we are assisting in going after isis there. we're also assisting the gulf allies in pushing back the huthis and trying to bring about a peaceful outcome. but i don't think you're going to see america do more than defend itself as it's doing right now and look for these targets of opportunity in terms of the counterterrorism campaign. >> congressman, nice to see you. >> good tou see you. the flip-floppers. the voters who shunned trump after the tape leak is now jumping back on the train. or is it a lifetime of work that blazes the path to your passions?
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yet another side of just how surreal this presidential campaign has become, members of congress who have abandoned trump have now reversed course. it's a clear indication that the difficult spot donald trump is putting so many lawmakers in. dozens of republicans distanced themselves from donald trump in the wake of his lewd comments announced friday. but in the wake of the backlog from the base, deb fischer, senator john thune, bradley byrne, scott garrett all say they are again supporting trump. check out this from steve knight who distanced himself from trump saturday. >> unlike extremist congressman steve knight, i'll stand up to
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bullies like donald trump. >> nbc news senior political editor and one of the authors of our letter, for so many republicans, it's only deepening now as more accusations come out against donald trump right now. what do republicans do in this quandary? >> they actually hope the story kind of goes away or they don't get asked these kinds of questions. it does put them in a tough spot. on the one hand, power is a tough source. if you're a good republican in good republican standing, you have to be for donald trump and against hillary clinton. the problem is if you are in a swing state, and one of the people that kind of comes to mind is new hampshire senator kelly ayotte, all of a sudden you say i can no longer support someone like you. peter, the fact we're even having this discussion, we're seeing some republicans distance themselves, some reendorse donald trump has never happened since i've been covering politics. every single republican, 99.9%
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gets on board. we're not even talking about any democratic defection. >> like the deb fischers and john thunes of the world who said i'm not going to support him, i think he should step aside, but he didn't so i'm going to vote for him? >> if you suddenly decided not to support donald trump, you would have a hard problem with your base. if you assume donald trump is going to lose in november and lose by a big margin, history is not going to look very kindly on where you were on this. so, again, there are a lot of cross-pressures. i think some are just deciding i'm still going to vet with the party and see how everything shakes out. >> you guys brought us the new numbers about an hour ago. donald trump down by about four points in hnorth carolina, up b one point in ohio. he's still in the hunt in these states.
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>> good news for donald trump in all the polls we've actually taken in the last week in key battlegrounds. he's up or tied in ohio, peter. he's in the ball game. but here is his dilemma. he has to win all four states of florida, ohio, pennsylvania and north carolina, and only one poll we have of the four end up showing him either ahead or tied. >> and in pennsylvania, he's down by double digits. >> that's a very tough place to be. while saying you're only up four points in north carolina over hillary clinton, remember, mitt romney only one by two percentage points. in these battlegrounds, there's a reason they call them battlegrounds. they're always going to be close. the question is do you have the determination and operation to win all those states? >> they're seeing a flood of new volunteers right now, but
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there's also been frustration that they haven't got the resources right now. what is the impact of pulling out of virginia for that campaign? 13 electoral votes now out the door. >> it puts the pressure that we were talking about. you have to run the table in north carolina, pennsylvania, ohio and new hampshire. there is no room. where you show him behind by double digits, that's a very tough place to be. >> he's up by one point in ohio, but as you pointed out, that's a tough place to be. >> he has to be up by more than that. if you're approaching 65... now's the time to get your ducks in a row. [quack!] medicare only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you.
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off the news. it makes you want to unplug the internet or just look at gifs. >> she likes that punch line. that was hillary clinton speaking into this afternoon at a fund-raiser in san francisco. we're back now with our team for "the lid," which means rick tyler, aand ruth marcus are back. so she says a lot of people are wanting to turn off their tvs altogether. that may not be such a bad thing for donald trump, assuming the base is rallied. >> that's what he's doing, trying to rally the base and hillary clinton is trying not to make news and trying to just kind of play it safe -- >> prevent defense, as they say. >> kind of sitting on the ball. and that's probably a pretty successful strategy. even if he comes out with some of these things, like the state department and the haiti contract deal, you know, he's -- it depends on whether people believe him.
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he's now just sort of throwing the kitchen sing -- >> or whether that even gets through everything else that's the narrative right now. there's so many other topics to focus on. one we were talking about with congressman schiff earlier in the program was wikileaks. i'm curious your take. it's sort of this unprecedented moment, a foreign power, the presidency is accusing of trying to alter an election and donald trump's reaction is the opposite of what a lot of people would anticipate from the potential commander in chief. >> if you were a regular presidential candidate and a foreign power was being accused reliably by the united states intelligence community of trying to rig a presidential election on your behalf, at least you would say, purport, profess to be horrified by this and this is terrible and i want no part of this. donald trump is going, wee-haw! he is reveling in the russian government's, essentially,
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hacking of private e-mails. >> but if this were the opposite and there were private e-mails from another campaign. again, we're in an alternate universe where a democrat is running against a republican and there were wikileaks that exposed terrible things about republicans, would democrats be doing this? >> democrats would be -- >> would be saying yeehaw? >> i think anybody should be smart enough to say two things. say, it's very unfortunate that this is coming out, and of course, we can't condone it, but it would be wrong of us to ignore. you know, just have a little bit of common decency. i've been happily reading through all the things, and you know, without any guilt. but this is a really remarkable spectacle. and we haven't pulled back enough to appreciate that. >> well, i, for one, i want to say i agree with hillary clinton in that i've been spending a lot of time on baby animal videos. i recommend those as a way to detach. >> little pandas. >> they're really cute. they're really cute. i want to build on the bigger question of what this does to turnout. and i think that's the one thing
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we're really grappling, especially for folks who say, how is this going to affect down-ballot races. what does this mean for the senate? what does this mean for the house? i think the bigger challenge we have is, we don't know, if you're turning off the television or you're not going to watch the debate because you're worried there's going to be another hour and a half -- >> is it possible we're misreading this? >> that's what he's counting on. he thinks there's a brexit vote out there. he thinks these people who show up to the rally is a brexit vote and they don't really have a turnout mechanism or a get-out-the-vote mechanism. >> what's the next debate look like? >> he's going to go all in. he has to. it's all scorched earth from now. he wants to suppress hillary clinton's vote, but he's an imperfect messenger to do it. >> we're finding that actual voters he's turning off the most, if we've seen these last couple of polls, independents and college-educated women. those people vote. >> on the issue of women, let me play this quick clip, this is donald trump talking about one of his accusers.
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and this is the way he described her. take a listen. >> take a look. you take a look. look at her. look at her words. you tell me what you think. i don't think so. >> yeah. i don't -- i don't think so, either. i don't think people are going to like it very much. we talked about -- so the implication is, what he has said before, she's a dog -- you know, face of a dog, you know, collins, look at that face, carly fiorina. his implication is, i didn't do it because she's not attractive enough for me to do it. not an actually very convincing argument. and not a very good political argument. and on the debate, i think if he's going to go hard, i think she's going to go hard, also. so tune in. >> you think she's going to go hard also in this last debate, which if we contrast the last debate -- >> i think she swooiurvives it. >> we'll see. but turn off the kitten videos for 90 minutes.
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>> i don't know that many people who want to endure this campaign that much longer. the interesting thing, here we are, we've had a terrible week for donald trump. but, yet her favorable ratings still have not inched up at all. the last nbc/"wall street journal" poll -- >> we say it's all about donald trump this week, but it's about hillary clinton. and when you look across the aisle and see that's my option. >> you saw hillary clinton's negative unfavorable rating on its own, you would say, the race is over. then you look at trump's and it's two points worse. >> it's really amazing. >> rick, amy, ruth, nice to see you. we'll be right back for the story you might have missed. stay tuned. when i was a little kid, i made a deal with myself
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lastly tonight, in case you have missed chuck, and we have, he'll be back tomorrow after a busy week that included interviewing vice president biden this afternoon and moderating the north carolinaen gubernatorial debate earlier this week, a quiet week for chuck. pat mccory in a competitive race against roy cooper. and what once had been a dirty week in presidential politics, this debate was anything but. no below-the-belt issues, there were some fierce clashes, but they were substantiative, focusing on state issues, vote rights, the controversial bathroom law all being discussed. and there was a moment of unity as both candidates pledged to work together for victims of hurricane matthew. it was a reminder of what debates in this country can be -- civil. that's all for us tonight.
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chuck will be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." "with all due respect," john heilemann, and mark halperin, starts right now. >> i'm mark halperin. >> and i'm john heilemann. and with all due respect to rudy giuliani, you're not the world's best headline writer, but you're in the world's worst. >> do you see that on the front page of "the new york times"."." hillary clinton admits she is a liar. >> headline idea, it's the end of the world as they know it, but pawnee feels fine. >> that's a little long. >> all right, citizens spend pleasant evening as pawnee enjoysed nation's parks. >> somehow a little longer. >> all right. let's go with the first one. on the show tonight, bombshell reports about donald

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