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frenzy. >> but we're really at the end of the beginning, if you think about it. >> tonight inside the new blue state polling that's looking pretty good for democrats. >> the fate of the republic rests on your shoulders. >> as the president drills home the stakes and takes on his own fbi. >> we don't operate on innuendo. >> then the latest on what appears to be a politically motivated church burning in mississippi. why white nationalalists are declaring victory even if donald trump loses and new pictures of donald trump with a mobster he said he didn't know. when "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes with just six days now until election day, hillary clinton continues to lead in the latest polls, but the race is close. she's ahead of donald trump by 3 1/2 points nationally according to the fivethirtyeight polling average. 46% to -- 48% to 45%.
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four more electoral votes than she needs to win the white house. even if trump were to win every single toss-up state as nbc now defines it, he'd still fall short of the magic number, 270. for trump there are signs that fbi director james comey's october surprise, the widely condemned and criticized letter announcing new e-mails belonging to a laptop of a clinton aide was not the turning point trump had hoped for. new polling out of wisconsin shows that 50% of voters were bothered by the use of a letter. in later polling it was back down to 48%, below where it had been before the comey letter. today president obama weighed in on the controversy in first time interview with now this news. >> i do think that there is a norm that when their investigations, we don't operate on innuendo, we don't operate on incomplete information.
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we don't operate on leaks. we operate based on concrete decisions that are made. when this was investigated thoroughly the last time, the conclusion of the fbi, the conclusion of the justice department, the conclusion of repeated congressional investigations was that she had made some mistakes but that there wasn't anything there that was, you know, prosecutable. >> whether or not comey's invention is effective in the presidential race, it's clear that his disclosure and the spate of competing one might say warring fbi leaks that have followed have raised serious questions about the fbi's integrity and impartiality. and the bureau, it should be clear, is one of several key institutions arguably fundamental to american democracy that have come under intense stress during this campaign, stress that is only increasing in these final day. with his rhetoric about a rigged election, repeated refusals to
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commit to abiding by the result next week and the peaceful transfer of power, he's sowed great doubts. north carolina where according to slate a group of republicans has implement a county level voter purge scheme targeting black democrats. the naacp has already filed suit and a ruling may be imminent. trump has consistently attacked press freedom and challenged the role of state even targeting a reporter by name our own katy tur at a rally. >> there's been nowhere near the media dishonesty like in this election. we'll have a great story. they'll make it look as bad as possible. we have massive crowds. there's something happening. they're not reporting it. katy, you're not reporting it, katy, but there's something happening, katy. >> republican nominee is not alone in waging war against the
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norms of functioning democracy. sitting gop senators including ted cruz, john mccain and richard burr have voiced support for blocking any clinton nominee to the supreme court forever. leaving the court with an even number of justices and stripping its power to set legal precedent. republicans are already plotting to investigate clinton from day one should she win the election, potentially getting started before she's even sworn in. according to senator ron johnson who is currently up for re-election in wisconsin, they might even start impeachment proceedings. that's right. he's discussing impeachment proceedings before the election has even happened. no wonder trump, the party standardbearer is already threatening a major constitutional crisis if he loses next tuesday. >> if hillary clinton were to be elected, it would create an unprecedented and protracted constitutional crisis. haven't we just been through a lot with the clintons?
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>> i'm joined by john lovett, former speech writer of president obama, who also worked on hillary clinton's 2008 campaign. you talked about this as a national emergency. >> yes. >> to me this is really what gets to the heart of it. it's not just that something's being contested and all sorts of things are on the line as they are in every presidential election, but the sort of foundational aspects of a lot of the norms that hold the whole intersurprise together feel like they're being ripped apart and are possibly on the ballot next week. >> yeah, because they are. and the republican party nominated this guy who is, you know, totally unfit in all the obvious ways, then they embraced him. i felt like pretty heartbroken a few times during this campaign. and a few times it's been trump driven, but more often than not, it's not what trump does. it's how quickly people like paul ryan, reince priebus, marco rubio and others apologize for
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it, try to move past it, try to spin their way out of it while continuing to support this person. you know, it's like one person doesn't create a movement and one person doesn't normalize disgraceful behavior. it takes other people to make what trump does normal. that's what we're seeing happen. the other thing that's going on, look, i've been saying this, donald trump is like stage five crazy. you ow? whatever. he's the culmination of a long shift sort of into the sewer. but what that's meant is sort of stage four level horrible behavior is either flying under the radar or not getting the attention it deserves. ted cruz, john mccain, burr in north carolina saying they'll never confirm a democratic nomination to the supreme court, what does that actually mean in practice? what that means in practice is either you don't want the supreme court, you just don't think we need one anymore. and i don't think that's right.
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or you think that only republican presidents are legitimate or i guess you think that once scalia was appointed that seat belonged to a judge for the rest of american history. and that's just nonsense. it's total nonsense. >> and i think it's so -- to me, between the sort of kind of dual stories of trump sowing doubts about electoral integrity and you need to go watch other communities, the assaults on the franchise, restriction of voting rights that happened in the states and then trump saying, look, if you elect clinton it's going to be a constitutional crisis. it's us or the country burns is kind of the message. >> right, right. like nice democratic system of government you got there. be a shame if something were to happen to it. i mean, this -- it's so obviously wrong what trump's doing is so obviously self-centered and narcissistic and rooted in his own sense of
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inadequacy, his own fear of failure, his own desire to sort of project the consequences of his own lack of discipline and humanity on to the system as a whole. the question i think is really going to be on the republicans around him and what they do. and so far we have absolutely no reason to believe that these people will do anything behave in a craven and cowardly way. >> when you think about a trump presidency, which is a thing that people have not spent time thinking about. they think about it in terms of should he be trusted with the nuclear codes. there's extreme things that could happen. but there is also what would the day-to-day of a trump presidency look like? we've seen from your point about paul ryan, that's what a day-to-day presidency, paul ryan's legislative objectives, some of trump's nationalist ethos kind of married together and they would have a lot of control and do a lot of stuff.
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that's what that government would look like. >> look, on a policy level, what republican establishment figures that have lined up behind trump are basically trying to say, look, we don't like him personally and that's why he's going to lose. but the bottom line is we didn't realize all the american people really wanted was protectionist paul ryan. on a policy or political basis, i don't think that's true. but we do know that's how they would govern. but his presidency would be completely overwhelmed by his personal human flaws because presidents don't change when they become presidents. they just become more like themselves. the character flaws that are revealed in the campaign are what dictate their behavior when they're in office because it's the most stressful and insane job in the world. they've made it too powerful. we've put this incredible pressure on -- donald trump, have we seen one moment where he's risen to the occasion? not one moment in this entire campaign has he demonstrated under pressure he can behave like a responsible adult. i feel like this is so obvious now. >> well, thank you for spelling it out, jon.
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jon lovett, thank you for joining me. joining me now april ryan, sam seder. the president was in north carolina today. he's been doing this riff of sort of what's on the ballot. i want to play that because it's definitely how he sees this race. i think it's not a work shop for public consumption idea of what's on the ballot. it's pretty clear how he'd use it. take a listen. >> all the progress that we've made over the last eight years, all the progress we hope to make over the next eight years, all of that goes out the window if we don't win this election. and we don't win this election potentially if we don't win north carolina. so i hate to put a little pressure on you, but the fate of the republic rests on your shoulders. the fate of the world is teetering, and you, north
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carolina, are going to have to make sure that we push it in the right direction. >> you know, april, the fate of the republic, when the president spoke in cleveland, he said democracy's on the ballot. you cover that white house and that office. i mean, do you get the sense they really view this as existential, what's going to happen in six days? >> they view this as dire. this is real. donald trump is talking about not only defunding but really reapper repealing what they called obamacare which is the aca. and that's something that obama understands that needs to be tweaked and maybe fixed in a couple of places, but that's a legacy piece. that's history for this man. he wants to make sure that people have health care. he also is concerned about the issue of criminal justice, another legacy piece. if donald trump were to be president of the united states, donald trump would look at it as
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an either/or issue. it would not be an issue of supporting police and weeding out bad policing and also supporting the community that feels the distrust. it would be support the police. so there's so many things the on that list to also include issues of climate change and the work they've done there. so this president views this as his legacy and also the fact that, you know, again, and you talk about it a minute ago, the supreme court as well. there's a chance that we could actually have two or three justices that are up in the next term of a president. if hillary clinton is there, the legacy of president obama will continue. it could lean a little bit left to the consternation of the right. >> these substantive issues that april talks about, there's sort of one level that i think the president -- and i think that's been weirdly absent from the campaign because -- >> it's totally absent. >> partly because policy is hard to talk about in the context of donald trump.
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like who knows, right? no, that's all there. he would be elected, he would have republicans in the house and senate almost certainly and would do things the like, you know, repeal the -- >> the amazing thing about trump is he representing two ideas that are not mutually exclusive. he can on one hand be a rubber stamp for the most right wing policies that we've seen in generations. and on the other hand be a total loose cannon. >> that's right. >> and go off the reservation and do things that could actually put the country in grave peril, frankly. it's not like donald trump goes in with any type of policy apparatus. so there's no one to say -- >> paul ryan, that's why paul ryan and all the people that are coming home to donald trump as you watch republicans who nine days ago were issuing statements about the man who was saying grabbed them by the p-word and then accused on the record by 12 women who say he did exactly what he boasted about and how
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disgraceful it was and how they can't bring themselves to back an individual like this, as they come home, well, i think i will vote for him, it's because they're going to be handed the keys to the castle. >> no, it's not just that. let's be honest. from day one, it has been because the plurality of republican voters are -- you want to call them trumpistas? i call them the republican base. they have been groomed to appreciate this guy's style. it's not even a question of policy. paul ryan is doing this out of fear. all these republicans are acting in their best interests as seen through the prism of their voters. this is who the republican party is. this is rush limbaugh -- >> built this. april, how do you view -- i mean, there's this feeling that sort of our institutions are being stressed. you've got the court, we've got a 4-4 court which lord knows how that place out if there's any kind of contested election.
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>> five weeks of wondering who would be president. i was there. oh, my gosh. >> you also have got the fbi which now seems -- it's one thing the comey letter, but just the string of leaks. i've got to say in both directions politically. there's a preliminary inquiry into manafort. they're clearly leaking a ton in ways that really call into question just the core integrity of the operation. >> you know, after the july announcement from comey, there were many people republicans who were very upset. and there were leaks all over the place. and i'm talking -- this is pre-letter, prea coup a couple ago, pre letter from fbi to congress. once you hear about the letter to congress, it makes you wonder. going back to leaks, we were hearing a lot of consternation in that building in the inner
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circle of comey, then all of a sudden this happens just days out. this breaks tradition. >> yes. >> what does this do to an election a few days out? and it sets a precedent. it's a bad precedent. we've never seen this before. >> no. >> i just tell you, the integrity of comey as well as the fbi is in question. it makes you wonder. you go back in history and think about some of the things we read in the history books about things that were happening to dr. king and others. you just wonder, you just wonder. >> you are seeing the groundwork laid for this stress test on american institutions that this campaign has been in a way that's been fascinating as a political journalist and terrifying as a citizen. >> and it may break the way we do things. this could be -- >> well, the point is that there's a lot riding on what happens next week. >> yes. >> but it's also going to continue after in some fashion.
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>> oh, of course. absolutely right. >> april ryan and same seder, thank you very much. will donald trump be able to get the electoral votes that hillary clinton's counting on winning? a new poll points to an answer that may please nervous democrats. just serve classy snacks and be a gracious host, no matter who shows up. do you like nuts? g new cars. you're smart. you already knew that.
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clear but certainly not overwhelming lead in each of those states. joining me margie o'meara. so today -- so here's where we are. the race has narrowed, i think it's fair to say. right? would you agree with that? >> the polling reflects a narrow race. that doesn't necessarily mean that the race overall has narrowed. but that's what the public polling says right now. >> so this is a key distinction, i think. >> yes. >> because there's some reason to believe that polling is capturing in this race a kind of much more enthusiasm or mood of voters' response rates than the actual intention of voting and that the internal data campaign seen has been much more consistent than the polling fluctuations. is that what you're referring to? >> yes. if you look at the overall averages, they are more stable. there's a great piece by doug rivers at real clear politics that goes into this in lots of nerdy, geeky detail that people should go read which is that
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what they found which is consistent with what others say about their own polling is that when things are tough for their candidate, their base is not excited about picking up the phone. that accounts for some of the fluctuations. but it makes sense when you look at how little impact the comey letter is really having on the race when you ask people about it directly, doesn't seem to make a difference. so you look at the states, so some of the averages and the forecast like the princeton forecast which is more focused on state polling than on national polling is consistently more optimistic for clinton because the state polling consistently shows more of an advantage for clinton. >> so today a funny moment for real political geeks, right, which was the marquette poll was unveiled in wisconsin. >> gold standard. >> gold standard, right? >> yes. >> there's a few reasons why this is a big moment. one of the reasons is because that state has not been polled that routinely, not a ton of polls coming out of there.
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there's a lot of indications by campaign behavior that the senate race has narrowed between russ feingold and ron johnson. you had trump there yesterday and the trump folks have been making a lot of noise that they're now competitive in traditionally blue states like michigan and wisconsin. hillary clinton up by 6. what do you make of this push by trump folks into states like michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, et cetera? >> well, they have to -- i mean, they don't have a choice. they have to go into other states because their path is narrower. and they also want to force the clinton campaign to spend money in a variety of places even though the clinton campaign has such a massive advantage in terms the of infrastructure, which is something consistent with what we found at psb, adam rosenblatt who helps run our political department, measured the recall of contact, ten different types of contact. and the main advantage that trump has is on swag, on
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stickers and lawn signs. so which is very consistent with our reporting about how he spent a lot on hats, right? two-thirds of americans across the country, not even in battleground states say, yes, they've seen stickers and lawn signs. and i know this upsets a lot of democrats. that's part of why you see a lot of people freaking out this week. me, too. i don't like seeing trump over 1%, i get upset. but when people see this public display, they worry that that means the race is narrowing. if you look at the averages, if you look at the states polling, you see consistently, even if it's narrowed a bit even if we're not sure what's causing the noise, it's still ultimately showing a clinton advantage. >> finally the question here is what -- how confident are you that the polling is not headed for some big miss, right? that's the sort of big question. >> right. so the first thing is if trump
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wins that's a much bigger problem than the polling being amiss. that's my personal view. >> the stakes here are more important than the polling methodological stakes. >> if i had to trade a polling miss for trump not winning, that would be an easy call. but i feel very confident in the polling industry. the polling in the primaries, which is tougher, really only had a few misses. you have so many outlets that are polling, so many resources dedicated to getting the polling right. so many outlets covering polling in so much detail. we do on our podcast. there's a zillion other outlets covering this closely. but they all point to really the same conclusion. and using a variety of different methodologies, phone and online and cell phone that i feel confident that polling as an industry has the tools and the infrastructure and the emphasis and prioritization and methodology to do a good job of
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beminio, was shot in his squad car. a husband and father. he died at the hospital. >> hours later police identify 46-year-old scott michael greene as the alleged gunman. he surrendered and was taken into custody. greene was known to local law enforcement. urbandale police helped remove him from a high school football game after he brought a confederate flag to the game. he appears to have posted that video on youtube in which he claims african-american people hit him and took his confederate flag. he also claimed the police were assaulting him. >> i think i've been assaulted by you. you grabbed me. >> i escorted you outside the stadium, sir. >> you grabbed me. >> i escorted you out of the stadium, sir. >> in a separate youtube post he posted this showing him holding american and confederate flags. you can see the reaction of the crowd. according to the des moines reggister, the stadium is at the intersection where one of the
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officers was found dead early wednesday. president obama condemned the shameful acts of violence and hillary clinton and donald trump expressed condolences and sympathies for the officers' families. the hopewell baptist church in greenville, mississippi, was engulfed in flames and the words "vote trump" were painted on the side of the building. greenville's mayor called it a heinous, hateful and cowardly act. >> i talked to folks who were fearful. i talked to people who were intimidated. i talked to people who, quite frankly, were sad and crying last night. that should not happen in 2016. it happened in the '50s, in the '60s, but we're in 2016. that should not happen. >> authorities have yet to identify a suspect or a motive, but burnings and black churches have been a long run forum for
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hillary clinton has received the lion's share of newspaper endorsements across the country this week, donald trump got a nod of support from one paper. it's called the crusader. it is the official newspaper of the ku klux klan. under the headline "make america great again" accompanied by a photo of trump embraces the
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nominee's message. while trump wants to make america great again, we have to ask ourselves what made america great in first place? the short answer to that is simple. america was great not because of our forefathers did, but because of who they were. america was founded as a white christian republic. as a white christian republic, it became great. the author of the editorial told "the washington post" this wasn't an endorsement of trump but, quote, we do like his nationalist views. the trump campaign has distanced itself from the paper's support. the publication is repulsive and their views do not represent the tense of millions of americans who are uniting behind our campaign. they're hypotheticaling their efforts will go beyond election day. trump has unleashed forces much bigger than he is that simply can't be put back in the bottle. joining me now, political reporter for the daily beast. her latest piece "how do you get david duke to leave your party?"
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is in "esquire." the most famous rightly reviled white supremacist in america, david duke, who is a big donald trump fan and sees this as his moment. you've been covering him. >> in late october i went to octoberfest with him, if you can believe that. and he was really in support of trump. he was telling me how happy he was that trump has been using the same los angeles aboanguage immigrants that he was using when they did the border patrol watch. >> this language of globalists, this is something that duke has used that is very common in the sort of john birch society, that is a real core like globalist versus nationalist is a language that now extends, a dichotomy that extends from the avowed racist fringes of david duke into the heart of the rhetoric
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of the republican nominee. >> right. you hear steve bannon, of course, trump's campaign ceo is a big fan of using that word. roger stone uses that word now donald trump does as well. you see a trickle from the very far alt right to the trump campaign. duke told me that he believes trump listens to his radio show. he said he can't prove it, but he suspects that he does. he also thought he read his books, but i don't think trump is much of a reader. but the radio show seems like it's a possibility. when you hear him saying the same sort of things that donald trump says. you hear him saying the same sort of things that david duke says, it seems like a possibility. and david duke talked to me about ann coulter. when you read her book, she sounds a lot like he sounds. all of this seems to be coming together in the trump campaign. they need to do soul searching and ask themselves why are all these white nationalists supporting them. >> one of the things that should be clear, and this is not the statement that everyone that supports donald trump is a
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member of the kkk, of course, and also what's interesting here is david duke is going to be annihilated in this race. his brand of extremely explicit, hyperexplicit white supremacist, white nationalism is not a political winner even in the state of louisiana. >> no, he did make the debate as we speak. he's one of several of a handful of candidates. so likely he'll get annihilated, he's not doing as badly as you would think he would be doing, given his history. it's very troubling. he was actually passing out hats that says i'm for duke and trump at this event while he was campaigning. troubling to see people walking up to him wanting selfies, wanting to wear these hats. people do see an obvious connection between david duke and donald trump. >> there is a feeling among these folks and again, like it's hard to get your head around what the numbers are when you
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talk about people that are explicitly avowedly identified as white nationalists, for instance, that this is kind of a moment for them. and whatever happened in this trump campaign, you know, in the way that a certain kind of conservative found the goldwater campaign was lost but they learned how to organize and sort of enter politics, that this kind of represents that for them. >> yeah, i think that they see right now a real opportunity with donald trump taking their language to the mainstream, to the mainstream political discourse. when you see donald trump talking on cable news every day on the way they talk, on their radio shows, on twitter or on their reddit forums, it's very validating for them. >> it's been hard to distinguish when you deal with these what i call nazi frogs on twitter and these various trolls, but then you see someone at a trump event using the word lugenpressa, which is the nazi term for lying press. you think so yourself, man, i
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guess there are really people out there like who are doing that. >> maybe it's not all about economic disenfranchisement. >> maybe not just a bunch of bots or weirdos on twitter. there's actual human beings in the real world doing this. >> there are real people who believe this sort of stuff. david duke believes this sort of stuff and he supports donald trump. and you see them at the rallies, obviously not all trump supporters are bigots, not all trump supporters are probably with the nazi movement or white nationalists. but there seem to be an unusually high number of people who do have that world view that support donald trump and i think you have to ask why. >> that's a good question. great to have you. >> thank you. >> stel ahethe mob figure donal claims he never met that is, yes, standing next to him in this new picture. i'll talk to the reporter that broke that story. thing 1, thing 2 right after this break. i love my shop,
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thing 1 tonight perhaps one of the most stupendous public displays of it wasn't me. texas agricultural commissioner sid miller, vocal trump supporter who trump has called a great guy over the weekend. his twitter account tuesday posted an offensive message calling hillary clinton the c-word. it cited a pennsylvania poll with trump at had44 and c-word 43. then someone deleted the tweet and miller for texas has been hacked. the disgusting retweet has been removed. be advised, which sounds serious. although it's a little strange the supposedly hacked tweet looks like a whole bunch of other tweets sent out from this account this afternoon. shortly after the update miller or his team said the tweet was hacked and the campaign was retweeting information on
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twitter today and inaverntly retweeted a tweet that they were not aware contained a derogatory term. the tweet was taken down as soon as possible. a retweet, sometimes you hit the retweet button. but that doesn't seem to add up either since the tweet clearly comes from his handle. so less than an hour later another update. miller again talks to local nbc reporter saying the reason the tweet did not say rt is because it was cut and pasted. campaign confirmed this final version of the story claiming a staffer cut and pasted the tweet. well, the story gets even more interesting. who sent the original vulgar tweet that miller's staff cut and pasted? that's thing 2. in 60 seconds. it needs to be earned every day. using wellness to keep away illness. and believing a single life can be made better by millions of others. as a health services and innovation company optum powers modern healthcare by connecting
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another twitter account. who sent the original tweet that an unnamed staffer allegedly read, cut and pasted into his account. the ricky vaughn, a notoriously vulgar and anti-semitic trump user. it's either the reincarnation or an homage dubbed an outright celebrity by the southern poverty law center and suspended by twitter this month. if you are surprised that an unnamed staffer would cut and paste from that alt right users account we should know that he's previously tweeted from that account. the ricky vaughn handle got the same fate as ricky vaughn 99 suspended by twitter this time for posting voter misinformation aimed at minorities. so at least in the near term there's one less alt right account for miller's team to worry about copying. is it a caregiver determined to take care of her own?
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robert labuti who had a history of fraud and had ties to new york mob boss john gotti. he told the philadelphia inquirer i heard he's a high roller but if he's standing in front of me i wouldn't know what he looked like. today yahoo! news appeared to show trump standing next to him in 1998. he can be seen sitting next to the three-hour event in a front row seat next to trump and his then-wife evivana. when mike 'isikoff reported that he had a longtime relationship trump said during the year i very successfully ran the casino business, i knew many high rollers. i assume mr. libutti was one of them, but i don't recognize the name. this was obviously a massive event which took place decades ago. mr. trump attended many similar events with thousands of people during this time period. libutti was a high roller in atlantic city casinos, "the wall
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street journal" reported that according to state documents his gambling losses earned trump plaza $11 million. trump's casino in atlantic city sought to accommodate him by keeping the employees away from his betting tables. the casino was fined $200,000 in 1991 for preventing especially black employees from getting near libutti was he was gambling. he had on multiple occasions berated blacks and using the vilest language, that the trump plaza in order not to lose substantial business sought to accommodate him. he was convicted of tax fraud and died in 2014. when we come back we'll talk to a man who knew him.
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with, do business with any organized figure in order to bill buildings? >> i never have had to. and to be honest abowith you, bg a celebrity at a very high level is a good thing because they're sort of -- i'm not saying the mob doesn't exist. but they want to keep it low. they want to really keep it low. the last thing they want to do is meet with donald trump and have 500 paparazzi taking pictures. the answer is no. >> joining me now michael isikoff and author of "the making of donald trump." michael, this is a fascinating report. to me there's a few things going on, but one is just the denial look i wouldn't know the guy from adam, which seems pretty
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implausible once you read all the reporting you put together and look at the photo. >> right. not only that, but i did talk to robert libutti's daughter for the original piece we did back in march and was quite upset. called donald trump a liar. when i told her that he was saying that he didn't know her father. she said that's ridiculous. we spent lots of time together. my father did. flew on his helicopter. partied on his yacht. they knew each other quite well. so -- and when you got to this story about the video proof showing the two of them side by side ringside at wrestlemania in 1998, bob libutti is sitting with donald and ivana trump throughout the event, edie, his
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daughter, made it clear this wasn't by happenstance. he was -- he and edie were the invited guests of donald trump, she told me. so all that sort of when you put it all together, it's pretty clear there's a relationship there. and on top of that it's worth remembering that bob libutti was the biggest customer at the trump plaza casino, gambled millions of dollars. and also caused the casino quite a bit of problems. >> you know, david, you reported for years about this sort of element of trump's life and the degree to which there were extensive connections. and partly -- i don't even know if there were more than the normal connections of people involved in the gambling business particularly in atlantic city that with folks that were in organized crime. >> well, bob is not a mob member.
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he was an soeshassociate of peo. he was a swindler in the horse races. his daughter would tell you he was a smart businessman. he was donald's customer. take donald at his word. he didn't know his biggest customer? that's certainly an indictment. i spent a lot of time with bob back then. and he told lots of stories. donald trump actually had a professionally made video for bob's daughter edie for her 35th birthday and gave her a cream-colored mercedes convertible as part of a ploy to try and seduce her, which led bob libutti threaten to take extraordinarily painful action against trump were he to continue pursuing his daughter because she was married. >> you know, to zoom out here, right, so we've got this story. but to me the sort of important thing about a story like this in context of what's happening now and six days from now is, you know, you have someone with a whole bunch of different business entities.
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those entities may have certain conflicts, they may have certain interests, there may be debts that are owed to people, they might be in league with unsavory folks, kurt eichenwald has documented that. we all knew nothing. it's a black box as we step towards what could be the entirely unprecedented situation of the president of the united states operating the family business essentially out of the white house. michael? >> yeah, well, a couple things. first of all, i think there's two sort of takeaways from all this. first is the obvious one. there is something of a pattern here of when you ask donald trump about people from his past who may have been unsavory. he uses pretty much consistently the same language, i wouldn't know him if he walked into the room. it's what he said about lob libutl -- bob libutti. what he said about the russian emigre organized crime guy convicted felon who worked for
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the trump organization. there is that pattern as well as many of the women who have made accusations against him. the sort of just flippant, i don't know him. i don't know who you're talking about. but secondly, just getting back to the core issues in the -- when i said before libutti had caused problems for trump plaza, one of those was the case involving discrimination, violation of new jersey civil rights laws where the casino was accommodating a guy who demanded that african-americans and women be removed from the crap tables when he was betting because their presence upset him. and rather than denying that request or kicking bob libutti out of the casino, they accommodated him. >> to be clear, this was not an allegation, this was a finding by the regulatory body that fined him for it. >> chris, it's a little different than the way michael
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put it, just to be clear. libutti certainly used the most vicious, vile language and everybody around him when he was losing a the tabe ining at the . but bob libutti thought it was awful that they should have to listen to this stuff. but he told me what kind of a person would remove these people because of what i said? i didn't ask them to be removed. trump's a racist. >> that seems like a distinction than a difference. >> that's the reason they were fined because the hotel did remove them. >> that's exactly. he did remove them. >> adding one more point, there's no indication that trump was ever questioned as part of that investigation. >> right. >> but given that they apparently had this relationship, you would think that would be a logical question. did the guy who owns the hotel, did he order this or was he aware -- >> yeah. >> -- that you were moving people from the craps tables to accommodate this guy.
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>> that was the real plot twist in that story. i was reading through it. thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. >> that is "all in" for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> thanks, my friend. >> you bet. >> thanks for joining us this hour. happy wednesday. this is robert rozier. r-o-z-i-e-r. he was born in alaska, a really excellent football player. he went to uc berkeley, played defensive end for cal. then after his time at cal, he was drafted into the nfl. in the 1979 nfl draft he was a ninth round draft pick. he went to the st. louis cardinals. unfortunately for robert rozier and the cardinals he didn't last even half a season. ended up getting kicked off the cardinals squad, banged around the league for not all that many weeks. he did end up playing for a little while in canada, but ultimately robert rozier ended up back in the united states and in


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