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well, we're running late. that's all for tonight. we'll be back monday. more "mtp daily." if it's sunday, catch "meet the press" on your local nbc station. "with all due respect" starts right now. >> i'm mark halperin. >> i'm john heilemann. and "with all due respect" to chris christie, don't worry, man, you can still bring trump his mcdonald's. on the show tonight, the democratic party contemplates its future and the world loses and gains a measure of amusingical genius. but first, the outsider president-elect contemplates an insider cabinet. donald j. trump was holed the up today at his namesake gotham city skyscraper. inside, in addition to sitting down for an interview with 60 minutes that will air on sunday
night, trump began the process of shaping the government he hopes and plans to assemble. in a stunning announcement this afternoon, the soon-to-be 45th president of the united states told the world that his number two, mike pence, will take over his transitional endeavors, demoting chris christie to the vice chair of the team he'd been leading for months. so far, dozens of names had been floated for administration names, from jpmorgan chase ceo jamie dienon from treasury secretary to sarah palin as secretary of the interior. some on trump's list are high-ranking state level officials from the heartland of america, but others are the very types of d.c. swamp dwellers and east coast elites that trump spent his entire campaign disparaging. >> so we broke the respects up into three buckets. there are the big wig republicans, like chris christie, newt gingrich, rudy giuliani, and the retired three-star general, mike flynn, who took a gamble backing trump early on in this race, and now may want to be part of the administration. then there's trump's political team, people like the kellyanne
conway and corey lewandowski. these are devoted operatives in trump world and may be recruited to work in the new administration. or advisers in his administration. we're told that both house speaker paul ryan and mitch mcconnell told trump yesterday when president-elect was in washington, that they'd like to see reince priebus, the rnc chairman, as the white house chief of staff. our third bucket is, d.c. insiders. it features people like the former bush national security adviser, stephen hadley, whose name had been floated by some as a possible sec of defense, along with bob corker of tennessee, and the formeren ambassador, john bolton. so, john heilemann, who's got the inside track on these biggest jobs right now? >> well, the one thing we know about donald j. trump that we've seen over and over again, is that loyalty really matters to him. so these folks, especially folks like chris christie, obviously it doesn't look like loyalty is ironclad. you know, he got a little bit of a demotion today, that's a significant thing. but i think that chris christie
is someone who will be paid back in some way. >> i disagree. i think he may get no job. >> really? no job whatsoever? on what basis? >> that jared kushner may not to see -- >> oh, the kushner veto. i want you to explain to the world why jared kushner would be opposed to -- not a lot of people know this story. >> when chris christie was a u.s. attorney, he indicted and convicted jared kushner's father and then made sure his sentence didn't get reduced, as i understand it. christie got shut out of the being vice president in part because of this. and i believe now he may well be shut out of any job in the administration, because of this extraordinary personal backstory. >> he can still bring him mcdonald's, though, right? >> probably. rudy giuliani, i'm going to run off my thinking. >> go, go, go. >> rudy giuliani gets a job. >> rudy giuliani, secretary of state or ambassador to england. i'm just speculating wildly here. >> attorney general. >> i don't think rudy giuliani will be attorney general. >> let's pause and talk about
things we both agree on. one thing that's true is that rudy giuliani is probably senate confirmable. no way whatever democrats end up doing in terms of filibusters -- >> i think he wants to be secretary of state. >> a confirmable job. this is one of the things trump has to contemplate. who's confirmable and who's not? >> if trump had his way, he'd pick bannon as chief of staff. but he's being told by people, it's so controversial. it would be so bad. those people are right. >> one thing past administrations have done in order to avoid, minimize conflict and controversy, is to announce groups of people. so you announce bannon, if you want him as chief of staff with a bunch of other stuff. the two dominant people in this transition are bannon and jared kushner. and i think you'll see kushner, not take a government job because of nepotism issues, but he will continue to be a highly influential figure in the trump administration. even outside the government. >> let's just be clear about this. steve bannon is, had a huge role in getting donald trump elected president. had a huge role. behind the scenes.
was an important player. but it would be -- if donald trump puts him in the most powerful job in america next to president of the united states, which is really what white house chief of staff is, it will create a firestorm, given the nature of breitbart, given the nationalist tendencies. it would be the most inflammatory thing that trump could do. >> i'm engaged in informed speculation when i say i think steve mnuchin will be treasury secretary. i think you could see bannon as chief of staff and reince priebus as deputy chief of staff. and i'll say again, they are looking for a whole bunch of people. a lot of people, people like christie, i don't think are going to get jobs they want. >> it will tell us a lot, though, about whether the kinds of noises that trump has been making, the accommodating noises, the way he handled himself at the white house, the outreach to people like schumer and pelosi, it will tell us a lot whether he decides on his choice of chief of staff. he decides to go bannon rather than priebus.
priebus would be the reassuring choice across the board. it would be a big, for a republican president with an all-republican control in washington, a relatively inclusive -- >> i would be eager to see a democrat get a big cabinet job. and i'll see this, trump may change his mind, but right now, anyone who's crossed him during the campaign. >> they're out. >> for sure. >> they might have retribution brought up on him. do you think any of these guys, hadley, bolton, any of these -- >> truly don't know. >> that these guys will end up running national security? >> i don't think corker will. >> a lot of these guys are neocons. they are not in line with trump -- >> the one name we didn't talk about, one name we didn't talk about was senator sessions. i believe he could be attorney general. >> that, i think is very, very plausible. donald trump is not the president yet, but he is the focal point of the palpable tension that can be felt across this nation right now. since the election, anti-trump protests and racially charged instances both seem to be on the
rise. demonstrations last night led to more than 150 arrests in los angeles. and law enforcement in portland, oregon, used pepper spray and rubber bullets to disperse crowds after what the police called anarchists, that's in quotes, began vandaling property. before this, much of the world was focused on trump's presidentialish tone during his visit to washington, d.c. and then trump signaled he was unwilling to change at least one campaign habit of it, that would be his late-night twitter lashings. at around 9:00 p.m. eastern time, the new york billionaire decided that thousands of protesting americans the deserved one of his trademark counterpunches. he tweeted, quote, just had a very open and successful presidential election. now professional protesters incited by the media are protesting. very unfair, exclamation point. facing criticism that his social media outburst might incite more unrest, trump tried to walk things back this morning, when just after 6:00 a.m., he put out, yes, another tweet. quote, love the fact that the
small groups of protesters last night have passion for our great country. we will all come together and be crowd, exclamation point. i can't believe he actually wrote those words. don't sound like him. meanwhile, horrific and shameful incidents of racism, hate speech, and even some hate crimes have been reported across the country in recent days. social media posts have depicted celebratory confederate flag waving, white supremacist graffiti, and other deeply disturbing incidents. >> parents of children at one middle school in michigan are upset after some students were heard chanting "build the wall." [ chanting: build the wall ] >> the students said he was called the n-word and the teacher was not around in the room. people were in tears. >> reporter: dear muslims, immigrants, women, disabled, lbgtq and all people of color. we love you boldly and proudly. we will endure. by thursday morning, the sign looked like this. >> this picture that was taken by a woman who saw something
hanging from a balcony. >> police are investigating the graffiti as a possible hate crime. >> beyond that, all of that stuff, there's been multiple reports of muslim americans being physically assaulted by what appeared to be trump supporters. president-elect has not yet said anything publicly about these occurrences. so, mark, what obligation does president-elect trump -- is the president-elect, not fthe president, yet. we abide by the truism that we only have one president at a time. but what obligation does donald trump have to speak out about these incredibly, incredibly discouraging things. >> they're happening as a direct result of his candidatcy and of his election. he measures some measure of responsibility. i won't say they're all his fault. he bears some measure of responsibility. it would be good for his presidency, good for him as a person and for the country if he
would condemn these things in no uncertain terms. and i wish he would. he's going to get off to a slow start or a fast start. everyone in the country wants him to succeed. he should speak out. i don't know why he wouldn't. >> if he wants to be a successful president and wants to do what he says he wants to do, which is be the president for all americans, he must speak out. he ran a campaign that was, in some cases, directly racist. in other cases, that exacerbated racist sympathies and racist feelings that people have. he ran an ugly campaign. an ugly, nasty, divisive campaign. he won, it's true. but if he really wants to live up to what he has said, which is that he wants to bring the country together, he's got to step forward and say, somehow, take some responsibility for having made this situation worse, and renounce these acts, renounce things that he's said in the past and appeal to people's better angels. >> you may be asking for more than he's actually going to do.
but all he needs to do, as far as i'm concerned, is say, they break his heart and they're not american. they're not the best of america. they break his heart. >> i don't know what he is capable of saying. but i think if the were to take some measure of responsibility on himself, and say, i know that in some cases in this campaign, i crossed the line, and i incited some -- i incited some negative feelings. >> i would like him to do that. >> but think how powerful it would be if all he said was, these things break my heart. these are not in the best spirit of america, we need to cop together. one tweet. i don't even think that was 140 characters. >> i think he needs to go further than that if he wants to be a successful president. up next, we'll talk about the drama that is still unfolding and will continue to unfold in the democratic party after these words from our sponsors. ugh. heartburn.
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there is a power struggle brewing over who will lead the charge against the trump presidency and who's going to lead the party through this difficult rebuilding phase and to the midterms and the next presidential. there's been almost a total lack of explanation from team clinton about what they think went wrong on tuesday night. in his first statement about the election today, the outgoing senate noeminority leader, harr reid, made no mention of his party's failings, instead, attacked donald trump calling the next president a, quote, sexual predator who lost the popular vote and fueled his campaign with bigotry and hate. as to the future of democratic leadership, the former dnc chair, howard dean, is going to run for the position of party chair. he wants a return to the 50-state grassroots strategy he championed when he had had the job before. the former maryland governor martin o'malley and the labor secretary currently, tom perez, says they're also thinking about applying for the job. most of the momentum in this race, though, early on, seems to be building behind the minnesota congressman, keith ellison.
he's not officially jumped in yet, but he's already got the support of chuck schumer and senator bernie sanders. so, john, when it comes to democratic opposition, who is going to lead it and what weapons do they have in their arsenal? >> well, look, i think it's a fascinating time for the democratic party, it's in such disarray at this point, and as you said yesterday on the show, given the fact that the democrats control neither the house nor the senate or the presidency starting in january, the head of the dnc is a super important job. it could be the main voice of opposition. i think keith ellison right now, because of where the strength is the in this party, it may not be the right choice, but i think keith ellison right now, with bernie sanders' backing, with a lot of the left on his side, is the front-runner. and i think howard dean has done this job before. but send in forces and where those forces are, what they think about why hillary clinton lost, what they think about how bernie sanders and the left was treated in the nomination fight,
they have the whip hand right now in terms of taking control and in terms of, i think, winning this election for the dnc chair. >> look, it's an insider election. who knows what dnc members are thinking. they have not been canvassed yet. the party will have to decide in the lame-duck session and in a new skpocongress and a new president. are they going to filibuster. the nominee is everything. i mean, if this were the republican party and a democratic president, you know, the mirror image of donald trump, you would be hearing ted cruz talking about filibustering everything. so what will elizabeth warren do? what will bernie sanders do? and also what will donald trump do? the reality is donald trump could propose legislation that democrats like on some issues. infrastructure, maybe tax reform, even. and it's going to be fascinating to see just how organized democrats are, without the megaphone of the white house, without majority in either chamber. how are they going to get on the same page about what to say about trump, while they look for leaders for two years from now and four years from now. and they have a very tough
senate map in two years. >> look, you think about -- i'll say something many on the left will find heretical. if you go back and look over donald trump's career, there's a reason why conservatives didn't like it, even before he got deep into this campaign. he had a lot of liberal positions on a lot of issues. democrats might be able to take advantage of that to their -- if they pledge the right way. >> coming up, we'll switch back to the republicans. the congressman from oklahoma, tom cole, joins us to talk about donald trump's relationship with the co-equal branch on capitol hill. right after this. people spend less time lying awake with aches and pains with advil pm
joining us now from the sooner state is tom cole, republican congressman from oklahoma. congressman, how are you doing and how do you think, more importantly, at this early phase, how do you think donald trump is doing so far? >> we're off to an awfully good start. look, i think he's behaved in a very presidential manner, from election evening, obviously, to his public appearances with the president, and with the speaker yesterday. you know, we're pretty giddy, obviously, if you're a republican. i think we woke up tuesday morning thinking, gosh, it's going to be another four years. we woke up wednesday morning saying, we're going to be the tip of the spear. we're pretty excited. >> tom, you've got majority control, both chambers in the white house. should he consultant nancy pelosi and chuck schumer or y'all? >> he should work across the aisle where he can. there are some areas where we're not going to agree about the
repeopr repeal of obamacare. we're going to disagree on tax policy. but on something like infrastructure, if we can find common ground, we should. >> so on tax policy, you don't think he should take into account what nancy pelosi and chuck schumer want? that should be an all-republican affair? >> look, i think you should listen to everybody. if you can find common ground, you seek it and go forward. democrats, like republicans, are concerned that our tax codes encouraged businesses to work offshore. so, again, i can see some areas where we can find common ground, we should do it. but we should remember that we were given this mandate for a reason and not be shy about using it on things about the repeal of obamacare, where our base feels strongly and our republican members have never been supportive. >> congressman, we've had some discussion in the last 24 hours about who might fill some
important posts in the administration. one is white house chief of staff. rines priebus is a name that's been floated. and we're hearing some discussion about the possibility that steve bannon could be the white house chief of staff. what message were it to send if mr. trump were to put steve bannon in that job? >> i'll work with anyone who the president-elect puts in that job is. it needs to be a choice he makes and someone he's comfortable with. obviously, i know reince very well and i think he's done a spectacular job and i would be happy there. but there's a lot of different people who can fill that role. and again, that's ultimately the president-elect's decision. and i think whoever he chooses, the republican members of congress will be happy to work with him. >> congressman, i'm asking you to try to answer my question, what message do you think it would send if he put steve bannon, the guy who was the head of breitbart news, into that job? >> not for me to interrupt that. i think the most important thing for any chief of staff is that they have a strong personal
relationship with the president-elect. that is uniquely his decision. so we're going to work with whoever he chooses. and again, i'll leave that decision to the guy who won the presidency. >> most of my discussions with people in the health care industry is we don't love the affordable care act, but we spend a lot of time adjusting to it. and if it gets repealed, we'll have to spend a lot of time retraining, readjusting extraordinary costs. what can our party do as you repeal it to try to get the health care sector to not be disrupted again? >> well, there's quite a few things, obviously, that the house has laid out in its better way agenda that the president-elect talked about in his own campaign. things like selling insurance across state lines, associated health care plans, you know, obviously, health savings accounts, medical liability reform. but to your point, you know, again, i think this has to be done thoughtfully. it will probably have to be done through reconciliation. we're not going to get a lot of democratic votes since most of them voted for obamacare, to
repeal it. so we'll have to move carefully. but i think it's a really important commitment that republicans have made. and they've made it consistently over several years. and at the end of the day, it's absolutely essential that we do repeal obamacare and replace it with something that in our view works better for the american people. >> do you think there's a consensus, an actual workable consensus among republicans about what replace would look like? >> i think there is. and i think even folks that might have questions or quibble with this or that at the end of the day are going to fall, you know, in line behind what the white house requests. so, we're fortunate right now to have paul ryan as the speaker. he probably knows more about these kinds of policy issues than anybody else in congress. he's not just, you know, a political tactician. he's a policy guy. so, again, speaker of the house comes to me and says, i think this is the way to go, it's pretty easy for me to respect his opinion. >> congressman, people talk about infrastructure and tax
reform. what eld wouse would you like t handled early on next year in big, big bills? >> i would like to see us move ahead on some entitlement reform. i don't think we will. i don't think that was adequately addressed in the campaign. but that's something i feel strongly about. i would like to see us make sure that a sequester does not happen to the american military. i think that's absolutely critical. and i'm pleased the president-elect has basically taken that same position. and i would like to see, long-term, that we actually do border security. i think that's something that's actually much more popular on both sides of the aisle than has been commonly recognized. look, i don't care if you're a liberal, democrat, or a conservative republican. you believe the borders of the country ought to be secure. the debate has been if you do something comprehensive or move pieces of legislation individually. border security, i think we could move individually, and i think you could get the significant democratic support. >> congressman, are you confident that paul ryan will still be speaker come february?
>> i'm absolutely confident. boy, nothing heals wounds like victory. and any number of conference calls in the last 48 hours, there's not a whiff of opposition in any of our top four leaders. i think people know that we owe this republican majority certainly to the president-elect, but also to speaker ryan. nobody raised more money, nobody worked harder. he gave us an agenda to run on. i think our members are genuinely pleased with his leadership and i don't sense any significant challenge for him at all. >> in the time between now and the president-elect takes office, there are a lot of americans, including a lot of republican elites concerned about the question if he's ready to be commander in chief. what are things he could do before he took office to try to calm people who had that concern? >> well, again, not up to me to make those points or suggestions, but you made a couple of pretty good ones, yourself. look, i think when you become the president, you reach out to other people. i think the president-elect did that, again, when he visited the
white house. i appreciate president obama being as gracious as he was. i appreciate president-elect trump handling it the way he did. personally, i would go back to some of those communities that aren't historically republican, african-american communities. i would go to a mosque. there's some things like that that i think would be really important in a symbolic sense to try to reach out and be inclusive and reassure people. but, again, i think the opening moves by the president-elect have been very, very good. i think he builds on what he's done over the last 48 to 72 hours. >> coming up, we'll discuss the future of the republican party, after these words from our sponsors. see ya next year. this season, start a new tradition. experience the power of infiniti now, with leases starting at $319 a month.
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take a job in the new obama administration. with us now -- >> trump administration. >> sorry. trump administration. that too. with us now, pete weiner, senior fellow at the ethics and policy center. he's been doing a lot of thinking over the last few years about the future of the republican party and doing more now in the wake of donald trump's victory. and he joins us from washington. pete, you've written quite a bit over the last few months about donald trump. is there anything you've seen since he got elected that makes you more hopeful about his presidency than you were when he was a candidate? >> well, look, i think he's handled the last 48 to 72 hours pretty well. but look, this is the easy stuff. this is the kind of thing that you expect. i think he's been gracious enough. i think president obama's been gracious. but we're just going to have wait and see. we have to see the appointments that he makes, both within the white house and his cabinet and really the test is going to begin on january 20th. and it's going to accelerate after that. so i just don't think we have enough to go on. what wave seen so far, which is
very early, very preliminary, he's been fine. >> so, pete, when there were people who were never trump during the campaign, who then changed their mind once he became the republican nominee, your view of those people was what? people who said that trump would be a cancer on conservatism and ended up endorsing him shortly after he won the nomination. your view of them was what? >> it really depended on the individuals and how passionate they were and what their reasons were. i think they made a mistake. look, i thought and think that donald trump was a malignant and malicious force in the political landscape. and i was quite worried what would happen if he became president. now we're going to test that proposition and i may be wrong and i hope i am. but i think the people who were never trump and really spoke in vivid language like bobby jindal and rick perry and others did and then flipped around and came behind him, i was not impressed with that. i think they put the party above their convictions and i think
that they were potentially opportunistic. that said, look, a lot of my friends were trump supporters, not enthusiastically, but they were. and i understood the calculation that they made. i just disagreed with it. >> i just, i was using that kind of as a setup question to the next question. which is, what is one to do if one was a consistent never-trumper throughout the entirety, all the way up to election day, and now you're confronted with -- and this is you, basically. you're now confronted with something who you've said incredibly negative things about. his character, his temperament, his personality, his intellect, and now he's suddenly president of the united states. what is a salesmman like you to these circumstances? >> there are a couple of things. there is such a thing as democratic legitimacy. the people voted for him. we only get one president. he is it. and that matters. and there's something about a democratic race. a person like myself has to give him the benefit of the doubt and allow him to prove me wrong. and see how he does. and i have to be honest, if he
does things i agree with or that advance the interest of the country, that advance justice, i need to say that. on the other hand, the people who were defenders of trump also have an obligation to be intellectually honest here, too. and if he does things that require that he be challenged and criticized, they should do that. and, you know, my posture here is to wait and see. i may be wrong. i've been wrong before. i felt like i saw enough during the campaign to convince me that he was not a man who was qualified temperamentally or intellectually to be president. but now he's going to be and we'll test the propositions and see who was right and who was wrong. >> you have respect for paul ryan and you're friends, right? >> yeah, both. >> and you have respect for mackenzie phillips and you're friends? >> don't know him, but respect him. >> those two guys will be pretty big players in the trump administration. does that give you any comfort? >> yes, it does. and i hope as he houses his
administration and fills it up that there will be people of high quality. and i hope, frankly, that he defers to paul ryan on the agenda. if he does that, i would be very, very comforted. but i will say this. the entire agenda throughout the campaign is that these people who would surround trump, including paul and mike pence, is that they could control him and contain him. and the line that was used again and again is that he would the become more presidential. and he never did. there were moments or weeks he did okay, but then he would return to type. and there was no one who could control him. and as the campaign went on, he got worse, not better. if that continues in the presidency, then we're in for real trouble. now, we don't know. maybe he will grow in the job. my reading of history is that people, that are narcissistic and have disorder personalities, when they get virtually unlimited power, they don't get better, they get worse. but he may be the exception. i hope he is for the sake of the
republic. >> do you have a sense, pete, that -- one of the things that's been true about trump, beyond some of the things that offended a lot of people, they were for people like you, who were conservative, the question if he was an actual conservative or not. obviously, some of the things he put forward, his policy prescriptions were decidedly unconservative. so do you imagine what you're going to see now is an attempt to run a conservative administration, or do you imagine that a lot of the past donald trump positions from even before he ran, which were quite liberal, in a lot of respects, are going to suddenly now bubble to the surface and we're going to be able confronting a really ideologically undoctrinaire president here. >> i don't know. i think more than any president we've ever had in our lifetime and maybe in american history, we don't know what to expect. for a couple of reasons, one, that he was so policy ignorant. he was over the map on so many issues. and he has no philosophical roots. there's no way to understand how
he's going to govern or what are the principles the that will govern him. he seems to govern by impulse and by gut. he can feel one way one week and another way another week. he could governor as a conservative. he could turn left. it could be an odd mix. it could be, depending on who his chief of staff is and who he talks to, before he goes to sleep at night. i really don't know. that's one of the fascinating things that will unfold, but i don't think that there's any way, even people who know trump and i would expect even donald trump doesn't know how he's going to govern at this stage. >> you think about leadership and how leaders set examples. what should parents tell their young children about president trump? should they avoid speaking badly about him in front of young kids? should they give him that democratic grace you talked about in front of kids? >> that's a good question. i've had conversations with people about that. it's a hard one. i don't think you can erase the past. of course, it depends on the age
of the child, but i don't think that you can erase the past. i think what you need to say that he made mistakes, but he's now the president. and we owe certain things to the president, because we owe certain things to the country. but above all, we owe things to the truth and to justice and to what is right. and we're just going to have to monitor and see what happens. i just will say, the way he acted during this campaign, his treatment of women and of gold star families and people with disabilities and all of the rest, was just very difficult. people pay attention, kids pay attention. and the kind of things you teach people in terms of how they ought to conduct themselves in life, when you have a presidential candidate and then a president-elect win, that kind of thing can be validated. and when that happens, it's not good for the culture. so it's not an easy situation. it can be overcome if he conducts himself with a certain degree of dignity and respects other people, then maybe this will be, over time, if not
forgotten, then in the midsts of time. but if he doesn't, if he continues to act as president, as he did as a candidate, a lot of damage is going to be done to the country, including our civic and political culture and that matters. >> let me ask you a question real quick, we talked about this on the show. there seems to be evidence of a lot of trump-related hate speech, hate crimes, ugly incidents that were taking place in the name of donald trump around the country. mark and i talked about what we think donald trump should do about that. what do you think he should do? and how important a test is this for him for president-elect right now? >> i agree with both of you. i think he needs to speak to it and speak directly to it. these are people who are presumably supporters of him. and while he's not responsible for their actions, they are acting in some respects, fw not in his name, because of his victory. and i just think he has, beyond all of that, as a utilitarian or
prudential matter, he has a power and effect over them that others would not, precisely because they look up to him. so i think he needs to speak to it and talk about how we ought to conduct ourselves. he's in a different position now. i don't know if he knows that yet. i hope he does. i hope if he doesn't yet, that he will. but i think that he has to say that this is to the appropriate. and he's got to begin to speak about how we view each other, including people who have views that are different than ours. this has been as angry and contention and rancorous an election as i've ever seen in my life. and a lot of healing has to occur. one of the reasons, the main reason it's been that contention and rancorous is because of donald trump. so he's got some work to do to undo it. on the other hand, the people who are critics of trump have their obligations, too. and the people that are rioting and that kind of stuff, i mean, that is really bad. and he has every right to speak to them, as well. there are ways you conduct
yourself in a free country, and one of them is to respect the results and to come together. lincoln was able to do it after the civil war. that was a heck of a lot worse than this is now. we talked about with malice towards none, with charity towards all. he talked about that we're friends, not enemies. if lincoln could do it, then we can. he's still the model. >> thoughtful, as always. thanks for coming in. great to have youen every time. coming up, more from donald trump's washington to d.c. and "the washington post's" tan guerin, right after this. that uses technology once only in doctors' offices. for deep penetrating relief at the source. new aleve direct therapy. ♪ ♪
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in a brief interview with "the wall street journal" today, donald trump said that he was open to keeping a call of provisions in obamacare. particularly having to do with the pre-existing condition coverage and additional years of coverage for kids. those are important signals and we'll be talking about them a lot more as we go forward. joining us now to dissect the week's election outcome, what happened and what comes next, is anne gearan. you've been focused a lot on democrats and the disarray in the party at this moment. suddenly fingers being pointed all kind of different directions. obviously at the clinton campaign, but to some extent, president obama. talk about the blame game that's going on in the party right now. >> yeah, there's a little blood in the water right now. there was sort of a chaotic scene at a dnc meeting yesterday, with at least one
staffer blaming interim chair donna brazile and her cohorts, cro cronies, really, i think the guy said, for bombing the election, for focusing on the wrong things. the clinton campaign had a hand-holding call yesterday with some of their surrogates. and then again today with donors. where they largely blamed external forces. felt that they were swamped in a change election and that the force of the economic unrest and anger over that had a brexit effect. did not talk about faults in the candidate or in their strategy. the choices of what states to concentrate on or other kind of, you know, mechanics. and that is having -- that is not sitting well with some
democrats who feel like even in the midst of a change election, and all the various forces that were legitimately arrayed against hillary clinton at the start, the campaign made some missteps and aren't really owning it now. >> anne, you and others will write stories fleshing all this out. do you think this will boil over and become a public dispute? or a couple of stories will be written and then the party will move on. >> i don't know, but my gut says the latter. i think there's a -- there's a -- speaking of anger and frustration, there's some anger and frustration among democrats and they're venting right now. but the imperative to mobilize against trump and have a united front against him, to push things the democrats care about even as soon as during this transition, is already starting to win out and certainly on a couple of these calls, as i've heard them recounted, there was a real move to say, with look,
we have to stay united, we have to focus on the things, our priorities, legislatively. we have to focus on the message that we want to have in opposition, to a trump white house. and we have to begin focusing on the midterm election. >> so, anne, there's been some finger-pointing, as i said before, specifically at robby mook and others in the clinton campaign at the notion of ignoring white working class voters, especially in the context of president clinton, apparently having raised the alarm on this throughout. but we're not hearing a lot about people inside the orbit blaming each other. where do you think that story goes forward? >> you know, that's been a hallmark of this campaign. there has not been a lot of infighting. there's been really no big public fight. nobody prominently got fired throughout an 18-month campaign. that's kind of remarkable. i don't really expect to see it
now. mook commanded extraordinary loyalty within the campaign. he was really seen, for all his youth, as being a very mature leader. and i don't expect to see him suffer hugely politically as a result of this. but i do hear a fair amount of grumbling from people outside the campaign, just that, that the campaign isn't fully taking what's left of the campaign isn't fully taking ownership of some things that they should have done differently. >> anne, i rarely ask reporters media questions, but i am interested in this, because it does affect the future of the next few months. how is "the washington post" newsroom reorienting himself in the last few hours, in what most people would expect covering a trump administration. >> it's very much a work in progress, and most of the decisions, in fact, all of the decisions will not be mine. but, it's definitely a different landscape.
there were a whole bunch of people who would assume that they would be covering a clinton white house, like, at the white house, and a whole bunch of other people who would assume that they would be covering a republicans in opposition. and so, the -- just like the, many other maps are being switched around, ours are, as well. i don't know what i will do. i think it will probably have a politics and foreign policy combo beat, which takes the me back to my foreign policy days. but i don't know. tbd. >> okay. >> looking forward to reading whatever you write, anne gearan, because you are great and we're happy to have you, always. we will check in next with the professor, dr. eddy glaude in just a moment. if you happen to be watching us in washington, d.c., keep in mind, you can listen to us as well on the radio radio bloomberg 99.1 f.m. and we'll be right back. ... [captain rod] happy tuesday morning! captain rod here. it's pretty hairy out on the interstate.traffic is literally crawling, but there is some movement
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take that the wrong way. professor, thank you for joining us. i would love to hear about your day. i saw you on "morning joe." what'd you hear from people today who you're interacting, about what president-elect trump? >> well, it's been a day of trauma. a day of trying to figure out where we're going to go next. a day of dealing, in some ways, the unleashing of ugliness. we just heard, it's circulating on twitter now that all of the black freshman at the university of pennsylvania have been added to a group entitled [ bleep ] lynching. so people are trying to make sense of this. and trying to figure out how they're going to stay safe and how they're going to respond. so it's still as tense as it was on election day. >> eddie, you know, we've talked on the show already about -- everyone we've talked to including us thinks that donald
trump needs to address this in a constructive way if he has any hope of healing the country and being a successful president. what if he doesn't? in the past, as a candidate, we often called on him to address any anti-semitic tweets and he never did. he never distanced himself from some of the ugly every constituency of his presidency. what if he says, not my problem? >> i think he the gives license to the hate. he gives license to people to act on that hate. and he'll create the conditions for chaos. i would like, you know, some people like to represent this moment as akin to redemption. you know, right after the collapse of radical reconstruction. and the south kind of regains control over its region, right? and they like to liken this to a kind of second redemption. but this isn't 1876. and people who believe that they can come into our communities and bully and be aggressive and threaten our children, they're going to be in for a surprise.
and so, unless president-elect trump actually reaches to being a statesmen, we might find ourselves on the precipice of serious chaos. and bloodshed. >> and i'm going to ask you a question and i'm hoping that jared kushner and the white house press secretary, josh earnest, are listening. what would you think of the idea of president obama and donald trump putting out a joint statement condemning this stuff? >> you know, i think that could help. but you know, president obama has been, for the last eight years, the interpreter in chief to white america, with regards to black lives matter. he has responded to baltimore, milwaukee, charlotte. and in some ways, by him coming to the side of donald trump in this way, he would work in some ways, mark, as a kind of black male nurse. the kind of stereotypical, you
know, rendering of black folk as kind of, in some ways, comforting the nation. donald trump needs to do this on his own. he needs to -- he needs to address what he released over the course of his campaign. and, you know, the kind of aspirational claims that many people are making that perhaps he will turn a corner, that he will be presidential, that he will governor all america. the only evidence we have before us right now is that he was the candidate who declared a ban on muslims. he was the candidate who called undocumented workers rapists and criminals. he was the guy who in some ways, sanctioned violence at his rallies. he was the guy who in some ways, let the genie out of the bottle. and sanctioned all of this ugliness we're seeing now. he has to do it. and he has to do it alone, mark. >> professor, thank you so much. always great to have you on, as well. john and i will be right back. ♪
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legendary singer/songwriter leonard cohen. yet today we celebrate the release of the new quest album. one word, hallelujah. from me and mark here on this friday, thank god it's the weekend and sayonara. "hardball" with chris matthews starts now. will the real donald trump please stand up? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. well, there have been two big competing messages coming from the president-elect, donald trump. the first is a message of unity and reconciliation. the second message came in a late-night tweet, of course. the next president criticized those thousands of protesters taking to the streets in opposition to his election, and the media, of course, which he accused of inciting those