tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC November 14, 2016 7:00pm-8:01pm PST
an outpouring of grief in mourning the loss and celebrating the legacy of gwen ey ifil. was incredibly talentetalented. she's one of the people in this business who was an unqualified role model for me and will really be missed. so that does it for us. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> i'm so glad you mentioned gwen ifi iifil, we're going to a video about her and including what she said about her mentor. it's a sad day, by we will be remembering gwen. >> she was an amazing person. >> so the first president in history with zero experience working in government has so far chosen only two people to work
in the white house. possibly the two most important jobs in that white house, and both of them have zero experience in government. and that's the nicest thing you can say about one of them. >> the president-elect tapping as his top strategist, steven bann bannon. >> in is a historic decision in a bad way. >> bannon has a clear tie to white nationalists. clear tie. >> jewish and muslim groups and a slough of democrats infuriated. >> he wanted breitbart to be a platform for the alt-right. >> the guy that i know isn't any of those things. >> he's a nightmare. >> keep reminding yourself, this is not normal. >> you have to prepare for life to knock you off course. >> and even though i know what went wrong, i'll stand before the lord of song with nothing on my song but hallelujah.
>> we are all on one team. we are americans first. >> nobody said democracy's supposed to be easy. it's hard. >> real change comes from people who make up their minds that if they say something they will do something. ♪ hallelujah i'm not giving up, and neither should you. the next white house chief of staff, reince priebus has never worked in the government, never had a job in the white house, never had a job anywhere in the federal government. the record for white house chief of staff without experience is not a good one. you have to go back 25 years to bill clinton's first whitehouse chief of staff, mack mcclarty.
he certainly looked the part of white house chief of staff and was a decent and very dignified man. a man of his word and in all of my experience dealing with him when i was working in the senate then, but in the second year of the clinton presidency, the job got rougher and rougher. and in the middle of the clinton crusade to reform health care, mack mcclarty decided there was a better person to be white house chief of staff. in the middle of what was then the toughest legislative battle in a generation, mack mcclarty resigned and replaced himself with leon panetta, who was as good a white house chief of staff as we've ever had, possibly the best. reince priebus is no leon pinette p panetta, reince priebus would not have been on the long list for any other republican president's white house chief of staff. reince priebus' only strength is that he knows all the republican power players in the congress.
his weaknesses are that he knows none of the democratic power players in the congress, and more importantly, he has zero experience in government. so, a president with zero experience in government will have beside him through most of the day a chief of staff with exactly the same amount of experience in government as the president. the country has reason to worry about that. the world has reason to worry about that. and the next president has reason to worry about that. the next president is not going to be able to have confidence in reince priebus, because reince priebus is never going to be able to say to him, this is the way we did it, when i was working in the bush administration. the president is going to know that every time his white house chief of staff opens his moult on legislation he will be speaking from zero experience, same thing with foreign policy. same thing with selecting ambassadors and judges and members of the cabinet and the subcabinet, the secretaries, undersecretaries.
reince priebus has never in his life been in the room where a governing decision was made. imagine what the reaction would be around the world if donald trump had selected someone like mitch daniels. he's currently the president of purdue university, he was the officer of budget in the george w. bush administration. he knows more about how the government works than anyone donald trump has spoken to with the recent exception of course of president obama. the world would still have reason to be tense that an amateur would be president. but it would send a reassuring signal that there will always be an adult in the room if someone like mitch daniels was there. the only thing reassuring about the choice of reince priebus is that he is not steve bannon who was also rumored for that job. but donald trump has managed to stoke fear by announcing that steve bannon will get an office not west wing, on the white
house payroll as chief strategist and senior counselor. bannon has never worked in government. his only experience with government is attacking it and most sharply attacking republican leaders in washington like paul ryan. the website steve bannon ran before joining the trump campaign runs headlines like this about paul ryan. paul ryan says oust must admit muslim migrants spds kids to private school. so the president with zero experience will have a chief strategist whose only previous governing strategies have been attacking the republican speaker of the house and other republicans and who has spent more of his time attacking people, large groups of people, women, jews, muslims, black people. steve bannon has targeted them all. he is a hate merchant. he literally sells hatred.
his website makes its money on hatred. today president obama refused to answer a question that invited him to criticize the selection of steve bannon, but he did say this about how the white house should be staffed. >> probably the most important point that i made was that how you staff, particularly the chief of staff, your national security adviser, your white house counsel, you know, how you set up a process and a system to surface information, generate options for a president, understanding that ultimately, the president's going to be the final decision-maker, how he staffs, the first steps he takes, the first impressions he makes, the reset that can happen after an election, all those things are important and should be thought about.
>> joining us now, jonathan alter, and columnist for daily beast. and james peterson, jonathan, we only have two confirmed choices for the white house. and it's hard to think of how he could have come up with worse choices. >> people in washington are comforted bit fact that priebus is chief of staff and bannon is chief strategist, like that's a good thing. i urge them to look back to the bush administration when andy carl was chief of staff. who was more powerful in that white house? bannon is going to be number one in this white house. he will eat priebus for lunch. he's way smarter not only than priebus but the other people around trump, not to men's trump himself. he's described by conservatives who worked for him as quote, an evil genius, a screamer, a manipulator, a hater, somebody
who, by his own words, said that he wanted to make breitbart, a quote, alt-right platform. in other words, a place for hate to get voice online. and he's now expanding to europe. he's trying to link up with lapen and. >> there's a market for this. >> neofascists and try to take this movement, this basically white nationalist movement global. >> let's listen to the next white house chief of staff's defense of bannon today. >> the guy i know is a guy that isn't any of those things. i mean, the guy knows, a guy sitting in the office all day yesterday talking about hiring, talking about, and the last few months, a guy that's exhibited . l london school of economics, i believe. he is a guy who is very, very
smart. very temperate. >> james peterson, so reince priebus doesn't want you to judge steve bannon by his public record at breitbart. he wants you to judge him by the way he is alone in the room with reince priebus, which we're never going to see. >> the keywords there was in the last few months, right? let's go back and look at the breitbart record to get a better census. but to be clear, everything were you talking about in the opening monologue, the absence of any experience, those are things that for some folks in this country, we're outraged by that. it doesn't make any sense. we want to have smart folks around whoever the next president's going to be many . t but for some of the folks who voted for mr. trump, that's a plus, that they have no experience, they are not contaminated by the ways in which they think government operates in the united states. so we have to be really, really
smart about how we sort of frame some of these things at the end of the day, it's our job in the media to resist the normalization of some of these things that are outliers. having steve bannon in the role that valerie jarrett plays, means that we have to think really, really critically about what bannon's record is, and the best piece of information we have is breitbart. you look at some of those headlines, but you look around the country, and folks are crying and in fear, and people are concerned about their lives and livelihoods. their fears are based upon the racialized, sexist language and imagery that's populated the breitbart site for the last few years, and they feel as if bannon's anointing is a signal to trump's america that it's going to be business as usual when it comes to this hateful speech and rhetoric.
>> if i'm mike pence tonight, i could easily be feeling, this is all very good for mike pence. so far mike pence is the only guy in the room, in the white house, with any experience, who in any conversation can use his experience on the hill, working in the congress. he's the only one who can play that card. >> yeah, i think that's true, and he will be a very powerful vice president. it's not clear that donald trump will listen to a word that he or anybody else says. he has no record of it. back to bannon, newt gingrich says how can he be an anti-semite. he made money off seinfeld. well, mel gibson was in hollywood. and one of the things that bannon did in the last couple of weeks is he made this ad for trump that had lloyd blankfine, janet yellen, george sorro soro.
all jewish. there are real issues here about the way he treats not just jews but all sorts of other people. it's very important that he not be normalized and that his bigotry be front and center every time he's described in the media. vigilance is the price of liberty, as wendell phillips and thomas jefferson said. the press has to stay on this. they cannot let this go. it's not something that we can allow just to become a story that was an issue several weeks back and let it drop. >> i think your point is crucial when you point, when you further the way i framed this as two people with no experience working in government and how that can actually sound appealing, will sound appealing to trump voters. but, so the right way to frame it to trump voters to get them to question it is to say a guy from goldman sachs and a guy
from republican party head quarters, if that sent the center of the swamp, what else is? >> yeah, i mean, that's game that mr. trump has played very, very effectively, right? he's the working class billionaire, right. >> he's the outsider with all the insider contacts, right? and i think what we have to realize here is that the kind of vigilance that we're talking about having may not be present for the folks who are supporting trump, because for them, the victory is already won. you know, they are not in any way connected to the kind of fear and the kind of tragedy that people are feeling in this particular moment, and my sense is at least from these first two picks, mr. trump is not at all interested in dwofrning in a way that's going to try to reunite this nation. what he's trying to do is send signals to the folks that helped him get where he is now, that this is going to be a trump presidency that in many ways reflects the kind of campaigning that he did over the last year and a half. >> thank you both for joining
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temperamentally unfit to be commander in chief. >> that was the day before the election. today the president was asked about that. >> given some of the harsh words you had about mr. trump, calling him temperamentally unfit to be commander in chief, would anything surprise you about president-elect trump when you met with him in your office? >> the president declined to comment on donald trump's temperment now that he's now president-elect. the but la but later he said this. the. >> whatever you bring to this office, this office has a habit of magnifying and pointing out and hopefully then you correct for it. this may seem like a silly example. but i know myself well enough to know i cannot keep track of paper, i know myself well enough
that way. pretty soon, when i get stacks of paper, i say to myself, i got to figure out a system, because i have bad filing/sorting and organizing habits. the and i've got to find some people who can help me keep track of this stuff. now that seems trivial, but actually, it ends up being a pretty big piece of business. i think what will happen with the president-elect is there are going to be certain elements of his temperament that will not serve him well unless he recognizes them, and corrects them. because when you're a candidate and you say something that is inaccurate or controversial, it has lessit does when you're president of the united states. >> joining us now, maria teresa
kumar. kurt, that was such a brilliantly-chosen example. i wanted to let it play out. because it's completely neutral. it doesn't say anything about donald trump, that thing about i'm bad at filing and sorting and that's my closest thing to the president. i'm sure i'm worse than he is. he came as close as he could to this issue of this guy being, up to now, anyway, temperamentally unfit. >> the other time he said oh, i gave the president-elect this piece of advice as well was when he said, when you're president, you find out that there are norms and rules and laws. and the people who work for you find out that there are norms and rules and laws. now for most people, that would be like a rhetorical statement. for him, it was actually as though, and i told donald trump this, so that he would understand that. the >> a. >> and maria theresa, you know
that the work here is governed by rules and laws and stuff. >> right. and i think the enormity of the job is finally starting to sink into the trump campaign, as when we saw his son-in-law wanted to know how much of the presidential staff was going to stick around. they definitely have a deep learning curve. but he was cautious of saying anything extreme to trump, because he recognizes at the end of the day in american politics we have to make sure that we are keeping the sacredness of the oval office, the sanction tilt of it. >> i want to listen to something that he said about donald trump, and this is a point you thought about a year ago, about how he doesn't think donald trump is so ideological. >> i also think that he is coming to this office with fewer
set, hard and fast policy prescriptions than a lot of other presidents might be arriving with. i don't think he is ideological. i think ultimately, he's prag mat eic in that way, and that c serve him well. as well as he's got good people around him, and he has a clear sense of direction. >> kurt, this hearkens back to last year when there was a mini debate you could find online among democrats of who would be worse, ted cruz or donald trump, and trump can't be as bad as cruz, because trump doesn't believe anything. >> and unfortunately, and i still think that's true. he has instincts, like, you know, the guy at the bar on queens boulevard has instincts. >> yes. >> but unfortunately, when he does put a guy like steve
bannon, whom he met thea few mos ago, a guy who doesn't have any ideological, that can be oh, good, he can break through, but if steve bannon is the guy in your ear down the hall, that's a bill wo bit worrisome because he has a background of white nationalism and all the rest. >> what signal do you get from the bannon appointment? >> that if president-elect donald trump wants to be the president for everyone, bannon's not the correct choice. he is as kurt just mentioned, he is an anti-semite, antilgbt, antiwomen and immigrant. the all wrapped up in a nice, big bow. so if he really wants to moderate the office and be pragmatic, he has to think twice. mike pence is no different.
mike pence also has an extreme agenda. let's not forget, more people voted for hillary clinton in the popular vote. the this is not a mandate. >> you are a political scholar. >> msnbc news confirming that the trump campaign has inquired about getting security clearances for donald trump's children. the top security clearances for the kids. >> which is extraordinary, that they would have some national security role. again, i have i said with some amusement during the campaign, oh, this is like a crazy television show, but hey, kids, i'm president, you want to work on my security team? it's like some crazy sitcom. the. >> thank you both for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you, lawrence.
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twice voted for president obama flipped this time and voted for donald trump. enough of those voters were located in the midwest battle ground states to shift the presidency from blue to red, even though blue got more voting, hillary clinton follow the more tvotes than donald trump. joining us, shawn mcelway, and patrick thornton. shawn, what do you see as the various strata of the trump vote? one of the things that drives me nuts about this discussion is people will say it's nothing but the racist vote or it is not the racist vote. it's like soil, there are
different layers. one of the interesting votes in there is former obama voters for trump. >> absolutely. the way i argue about theis is what we've seen is the coalition of an effort by the republican party to weld together a faction. the disclolocation that you are feeling in your community is due to immigrants. and anything to solve it will only help minorities and not white americans. what my research showed is if white people believed they losing jobs to other people, they were more likely to support trump. even if they're democrats or women or college educated. the polls really never go
straight at it and ask if you are a racist. there are indicators that you find in the data. >> absolutely. the first thing we use is something called racial resentment. other groups have gotten ahead. do african-americans need to work harder and try harder? has discrimination held african-americans back. and the other is stereotyping. are white people, are african-americans lazier and more violent than white people? and a disturbing number of americans will say yes. >> and the ones who say yes, african-americans are lazier and more violent are disproportionately represented in the republican and trump vote. >> absolutely. and this survey was actually done at a time before the primary decided. and we can see within the republican party the most likely to stereotype, the most likely to have racial resentment are trump. >> and not kasich. >> and what do you see when you look at this tapestry? >> well, i think a lot of what
shawn is describing is kind of the "what" of what is going on, and i'm looking at how did this happen. i come from more a more rural part of ohio. a lot of voters and a lot of people have not had much experience with people from different backgrounds. the county i come from is 97% white. that's not the whitest county in ohio. you have counties in appalachian where trump cleaned up which are t 99% white. they are not deliberately trying to be racist or bigoted. they may not know that many people of different backgrounds. so when you see immigrants of different backgrounds being scapegoated, for them, a lot of times, they may not really realize how offensive that is or they might not fully realize that their issues that they're dealing with have nothing to do
with that. >> and patrick, is it also a factor that people growing up in these all white communities don't recognize the sting in a lot of trump's language. they don't realize how hurtful some of his statements and some of his attacks have been, including the attack on president obama's birth. >> i think 100%, they don't realize it. and i think a lot of them do not fully gasp that just because you might not have disagreements with either hillary clinton or obama's economic policies that doesn't necessarily mean that you can excuse the other things that trump has said and done. so when i hear from a lot of different people from around the country, a lot of different minorities they tell me that's exactly, they don't understand how these people could have supported somebody who was so totally openly bigoted. and it's a lack of empathy. and i don't, for many of them, there are some people who are
legitimately rather racist and bigoted. but the vast majority of trump supporters, a lot of these people in the whiter parts of the midwest, they're not intentionally trying to be that, but it's a lack of experience with other people and empathy that leads them to not understand how revolting donald trump is to so many different americans. >> and shaurngs evwn, with all have to realize hillary clinton got more votes. and it is the accident of distribution and what has become the modern madness of the electoral college that means the person with the most votes can now lose. >> absolutely. but what i do think that when you talk about, the fact that labor unions which are a traditional bastion of working class mobilization and often can bring people in the working class across race and gender are weak. >> historically, they did a lot of communication among these groups.
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and in these midwest battleground states, nafta was a huge issue. and it seems like hillary clinton got saddled as the nafta candidate, even though she did not vote for it, had nothing to do with it. she was first lady when nafta went through, but it seems like bernie sanders found a way to talk to those voters about that kind of issue. >> yeah, he definitely tapped into that an a little bit differently, and i think there was also a failure on either side, really, the republican party has certainly been more pro-trade than the democrats, to actually defend trade, and i think that left, you know, clinton a little bit vulnerable. one of the things clinton didn't do a good job either is talking about a lot of these jobs and factories and jobs that have left ohio and other partis of te midwest haven't gone to mexico or china. they've gone to alabama, right
to work states. and it's about how unionization is dropping. so there was not a very robust discussion about a, maybe how trade has benefitted the united states, but b, how a lot of jobs are not being lost because of nafta or other trade agreements or are not being lost for, you know, or being lost for other, other reasons, you know, a lot of factors now have a lot more automation and robotics going on, which means there's a lot less jobs to be had for the same economic output. american manufacturing has robust output right now, and it has nothing to do with nafta and everything to do with much more modern manufacturing processes and that was never discussed, and i'm not really sure why that was never articulated from either side. >> and i never heard donald trump railing against or bernie sanders, railing against the toyota plants that have located here and the bmw plants that have located in this country.
patrick is right. international trade is both the most complex subject that government deals with and fwretse yet the most important t subject for voters. >> in arizona there was paid sick leave and higher minimum wage on the ballot. and that won 58% of the vote. and clinton won 45% of the vote. so there were a lot of voters who said i want minimum wage raises but didn't translate that to the democratic party. and i was looking at these ads in nevada about expanding the minimum wage and working families. i think you naeeed to see more this and more mobilization. >> first thing he said was minimum wage. and the same voters voted for minimum wage and the republican candidate. we have to leave it there.
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went i fifill's family. defending a strong and free press that makes our democracy work. >> gwen was a dear friend, a former nbc kcolleague. pardon me. she was, gwen would want the me get this together. she had so many awards in her office you could barely see out the window. the. >> she was a mentor to me and spoke at my college graduation. what i got from her was someone who was never too busy to talk to me about my stories, about how i had done on "meet the press." >> i always appreciated gwen's reporting even when i was on the receiving end of a tough interview. >> i'll say this to anybody listening, god alone knows how long we have on this earth, but you sure as heck better maximize
the time you are here. she was here for 61 years. we would have loved that she would be here 62. do as much as you can for as long as you can. the. >> she was a role model for young girls and for whom she blazed a trail as one half of the first all-female anchor team on network news. the so gwen did her country a great service. and we remember her fondly today. >> i wanted you to hear a few words from gwen ifill. she delivered the commencement address in wake forest in 2014. >> i wish several things for you today. not least of which that you, too, one day will have a mentor like i had in my career. his name was tim russert.
he was the washington nbc news bureau chief. he passed away in 2008, just before he delivered the commencement speech here at wake the next year. he was someone who everyone should have as a mentor, someone who will talk you into something you ought to do that you are too scared to do. in my case, it was leaving print for television. someone who will watch out for you once you do it and make sure that you succeed. someone who will then turn you loose whether it's time. in my case, leaving nbc news to work for peebs and talk you into doing something else if you need to. tim taught me all those things, and though i don't think i ever told him how much appreciate it. i think he would love it that i'm telling you instead. liberty mutual stood with me
think about where did this headline appear? steve bannon, eight things to know about donald trump's chief strategist, including reportedly that he did not want his daughters to go to a school due to the number of jews that attended. that was in teen vogue. teen vogue. teenagers who care about where they go to school, who care about who they go to school with. are reading about this. so far, teen vogue, at least, is refusing to normalize the presidency of donald trump. tavis smiley joins us next. . go.
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bannon is being chosen to be the top strategist. i think that's a good sign, because i think mr. bannon has really been right on about a lot of issues facing european americans. he's really talked about and supported in some ways the alt-right. >> that is david duke's endorsement of steve bannon. he couldn't be happier. joining us now tavis smiley. the host of tavis smiley on pbs. first of all, my condolences to you for the death of gwen ifill. >> i don't mean to put this in
racial terms, but because the media in this country does not look like america, it does not reflect the breadth and depth of what america is, the news media does not reflect this beautiful mosaic that is america, so i say this in that spirit. every race of people ought to be judged, lawrence, by the best they've been able to produce, and put very simply, gwen ifill is the best. and she is going to be sorely missed atpbs. >> thank you for that, tavis. david duke has found an administration that he is crazy about. >> i don't believe in the practice of politics of personal destruction. i believe aevery one of us, eve mr. bannon is redeemable. but i do believe that when people show you who they are,
you should believe them. what i found interesting about this chaampaign is that every te another vile rant would come out of mr. trump's lips, there was always someone on the right, and indeed, let's be honest, some folk on the left who would defend donald trump saying that's not the donald trump i know to which lawrence o'donnell and tavis smiley and others kept saying will the real donald trump please stand up. they said he is saying these things just to get elected. that's not really who he is, and when he gets in, he's going to moderate. i caution you, they said the same thing about clarence thomas. my point is this. at this point, we are getting to see who the real donald trump is. and to my mind, there are only two ways to judge the real donald trump. you judge him by his posse and his policies. you judge him by the people he's placing around him and his priorities. the in a couple months, we will see what his budget has to say
about his priorities. dr. king put it this way, budgets are moral documents. budgets are moral documents. you can say what you say, but you are who you are when you put your budget on the table. but in the interim, we can look at the people he's placing around him. and those on your short list make up some of the most dev devilish characters, god help us all. >> as you say, it's policy and the personnel. between now and february, we probably won't have much other than the personnel to judge. and so this is the way we're going to get our picture of what to anticipate down the road. now we can't sit here tonight and know for certain what steve ban bannon's going to be voeblgting
in terms of policy, but if there's any indication of how strong and threatening a muslim br ban should be, if there's a round table discussion about that, steve bannon's in the "ban them all", kalts gore. >> i don't want to prejudge him, but his track record is abundantly clear. the other thing that scares me about this arrangement between he and the former rnc chair, they will co-broker in the white house, the campaigning never stops. this sickens me. when we get past election day, the campaigning never stops. and the true governing on behalf of fellow citizens never begins. there's no line between campaigning and governing, and when you see someone of his ilk. it makes you wondering will the campaigning ever stop and the real governing begin? >> we'll see what happens when
the governing begins. tavis smiley, thank you for joining us, appreciate it. msnbc's live coverage continues now into "the 11th hour with brian williams." that's hour are brian williams. that's next. tonight, will the trump children and should they if they are the one running tonight t family business? also, the political outsider who just became the ultimate insider and why trump's choice of a top aid is drawing outrage. >> and president obama tonight on his final trip overseas forced to reassure other nations about the man he repeatedly called unfit for office. "the 11th hour" begins right now. good evening from our headquarters here in new york. the speculation is centered around donald trump's election.