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reports." hallie jackson is next right here on msnbc. hi, hallie. >> hi, andrea. i am hallie jackson at 30 rock today. here's your word of the day so far, diplomacy. vice president mike pence is extending an olive branch to democrats on capitol hill. and within the last 20 minutes or so, president obama has been in berlin trying to reassure allies about the upcoming trump administration. here he is talking about what makes him, quote, cautiously optimistic. >> there's something about the solemn responsibilities of that office that forces you to focus, that demands seriousness. if you're not serious about the job, then you probably won't be there very long. >> we have a lot to talk about this hour.
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we have reporters, lucky for us, in washington, new york and in berlin. kristen welker, katy tur and can chris jansing following the president. kasie, let's talk about what's happening on capitol hill right now. vice president-elect pence has been trying to make outreach not just to fell republicans but to democrats as well. >> reporter: that's right. mike pence is the guy lawmakers here up on capitol hill know. he's the one that has relationships they can tap to feel better about what's going on. he is the one who understands the process up here. let me tell you, takes a while to dig into. they are already up here talking about what the trump administration is going to want from them right out of the gate. it looks like they're asking congress to fund the government through march 31st. don't forget, government funding does right now expire on december 9th. republicans up here had been talking about trying to do a big
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package of spending deals to fund the government basically from scratch, but looks like the trump administration incoming wants a little more say in what happens with all of that funding. so, they want -- they want congress to do this in a temporary way until the end of march so they can deal with it once the administration actually comes in. otherwise, though, we're still getting a sense of what it is exactly that donald trump's going to be asking from congress in the first 100 days. we do know it's likely to be mike pence, who is one of the primary communicators on his behalf. i caught up with him briefly in the basement of the capitol. take a look at what he said when i asked him what his presence means for the trump administration in congress. >> it's very humbling to me to be back in a room. i spent 12 years as a member of congress and to be there with members i serve with, with maen
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and women who have been elected to congress since then, and to see the enthusiasm of the president-elect's enthusiasm for this country. >> reporter: that enthusiasm was most on display today because there has been some confusion and uncertainty among republicans about exactly what it is donald trump wants to do. right now mike pence is in this room behind me, that's the speaker's office. he's meeting with speaker paul ryan. he's going to go on to meet with leader pelosi so you may see him walk behind here and over to her office, which is over that way. later today he'll head over to the senate side of the capitol where he'll meet with chuck schumer, democrat who is the incoming minority leader on the senate side and people on both sides of the aisle might be the center of whatever deal-making goes on. certainly chuck schumer wants to be the center of any of that deal-making and he does have some relationship with trump from their years together in new york politics, which is a rel relatively rare thing up on capitol hill. keep an eye on that meeting as
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well to see what might come out of that, hallie. >> thanks, kasie. it's kind of like the campaigning never stopped for the vice president-elect. >> no. >> i want to go to chris jansing who is coming to us from overseas in berlin. you were there watching the president's last foreign trip, his last overseas trip. the sense i got watching that is he's trying to do reassurance to our allies right now. >> reporter: i can't tell you how nervous they are. world leaders are nervous. people on the street are nervous. the newspapers have put donald trump on its front pages and not in flattering ways. here in germany, 82% of people in a recent poll said they thought it was either bad or very bad for germany that donald trump was elected president. that's the atmosphere he comes here in. he had a private one-on-one dinner with angela merkel, closest world leader ally today. last night they had another long meeting. and then that press conference where some tough questions asked on both sides, including a
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german reporter who asked specifically about people like steve bannon. the president trying to calm those fears, talking about the meeting he had in the oval office with donald trump, that he told the president he understands sort of the responsibilities there are. also giving plenty of advice, i'm sure you noticed that as well, having to stand up to putin when it's the right time. a lot of the concern here is what they see as a sea change in the relationship both with vladimir putin and with assad in syria. kind of offering words of caution, looking at who he fills out his administration with. he talked about this as being the most unconventional of campaigns. again, what we see with this president, very openly talking about how surprised he was, his staff continues to be surprised and dealing in a very different way than they expected to have to here as he comes back, final
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time as president, in a place where 200,000 people turned out in 2008 to cheer him on when he was still a senator and saw him as a great hope for this relationship. democracy sometimes is about change. they do believe their friendship is strong and reasserting that they believe, at least he believes that the nato alliance continues to be strong, a major concern here, hallie. >> so, i want to talk more about those international relationships, the relationships that president-elect trump will have with foreign leaders. i understand katy tur is on the phone with us. i think you're supposed to be on set, doing your thing, and i understand you have new info for us. what have you got? >> reporter: they're giving me a little more detail about what was going on behind the scenes at trump tower.
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they say it's not chaos, the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. right now all decisions are being made, bannon, priebus, pence, trying to figure out where to go. that's causing problems. we heard about the stalin-esque purnlg that we heard about. the key people that were not christie loyalists were mike rogers and kevin o'connor who just ended up bei ining collate damage, two people involved in the transition and highly respected in republican circles. it's unclear if mike rogers, the former congressman, is still in consideration for the cia. he's meeting with mike pence
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later this week. right now, he is off the transition. we also heard about how much power jared kushner potentially has with donald trump. sources say jared is a great guy, they like him, but he's very young and very inexperienced. immaturity is meeting a real position of power, someone who doesn't quite know, especially how the intelligence world works. and the likelihood that he is making large intelligence decisions is certainly concerning. we heard about mike flynn potentially getting national security adviser role. flynn is not somebody seen as a safe bet in intelligence circles, past decisions, especially within the defense department that could be
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concerning. but right now there is a general feeling that although the transition is always going to be rocky, that this is especially and who donald trump will end up surrounding himself with. >> katy tur doing her thing on the phone there. thank you very much. katy, in case the connection wasn't clear for you at home, talking about what is happening right now inside so-called white house north, trump tower, steve bannon, jared kushner, reince priebus all dealing with the transition, but in katy's reporting, the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. we've been seeing that play out inside the transition team. we know inside trump tower today the president-elect is doing a series of what you could call interviews, members of his potential future administration. you can take a look here. we know henry kissinger will be there, more in a counselor role.
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j jeb, nikki haley. the president-elect has been taking phone calls from foreign leaders. i think the count is up to more than 30 so far. that has raised some questions, kristen welker, about the security of these conversations, the security of these talks and the protocol, the diplomatic protocol. what can you tell us about what folks in the intelligence community are saying is? >> reporter: in terms of the phone conversations he had today, he spoke to the leader of netherlands and poland. you're right, there were some questions about whether these phone calls were concerned and whether he was briefed adequately prior to these phone calls. the transition team pushing back hard against questions saying, look, he has been briefed and that he is not yet president. so, these are not phone calls in which he's hashing out major diplomatic issues. these are introductory phone calls and they feel confident as though he -- they feel confident in that he has been briefed
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adequately ahead of these calls. so, that's the pushback that you're getting from the transition team. you're absolutely right. he's holding a number of meetings there, including florida governor rick scott, one of the names being floated around potentially for hhs secretary. he's an interesting pick because he's an early supporter of then-candidate donald trump. you have that loyalist theme at play there. he's also someone who said he's not interested. he wants to sort of continue doing what he's doing. however, as you and i both know, if the president-elect asks someone to serve, it is very difficult for them to say no. and then, of course, we are very focused on south carolina governor nikki haley. she was not an early supporter of donald trump, but she is someone who is being eyed potentially for secretary of state. she would obviously bring a diversity. the question is, does she have the foreign policy expertise to take on that role? so, a lot of big meetings and comings and goings there today.
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>> thank you. i'm just getting a readout of that meeting between henry kissinger and donald trump. transition officials say the two had what they called a great meeting. they talked about china, russia, iran, eu, other events around the world. the president-elect saying he has tremendous respect for dr. kissinger. we, can expect to see more of these readouts and notes throughout the day from trump tower. we'll keep you posted. we're also trying to keep you posted on today's microsoft pulse question. here it is. following an upset gop victory, do you think democrats should now focus on finding common ground with president-elect trump? head over to pulse.msnbc.com. we want to know what you think. how did donald trump manage to pull off such an upset in reliably democratic michigan? we'll head to one state where the political landscape has totally shifted. you'll hear from one democratic official who crossed party lines to endorse a republican last week. and nikki haley as trump
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tower today meeting with the transition team. she's a popular republican governor, but is she qualified to be the next secretary of state? we'll talk to somebody who knows her well. former south carolina governor, now congressman mark sanford, later in the show. world ugly and messy. they are the natural born enemy of the way things are. yes, ideas are scary, and messy and fragile. but under the proper care, they become something beautiful.
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"thank you for serving our country" and i'm like, that's my dad. male vo: no one deserves a warmer welcome home. that's why we're hiring 10,000 members of the military community by the end of 2017. i'm very proud of him. male vo: comcast. let's talk dems, specifically, what happened in historically democratic-leaning blue states like wisconsin and michigan. "the huffington post" in a new piece is reporting senior officials from hillary clinton's camp are saying that michigan, for example, was a vulnerable state and felt that if they could keep trump away by acting overly confident about their chances, they would win it by a
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small margin and a marginal resource allocation. that is some psychological warfare, to say the least. we all know how it turned out. macomb county went for president obama in 2008 and 2012 but this time around, donald trump won by a 11 points. one trump official that i was just speaking with credits the message of change and urban renewal for helping them there. nbc's jacob rascon is in macomb county. fascinating slice of life where you are. what can you tell us? >> reporter: it really is. if you'll remember, this is where the term reagan democrats was coined. we talked to people earlier today and -- who did that, who grew up democrat, they voted for reagan and now voting for trump. you mentioned it. there's a frustration here and they wanted a fighter. the people i talked to today wanted a fighter. we're joined right now with county executive this is mark heckle.
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you ran as a democrat but, in fact, you supported, among other people, a republican, a congresswoman who is running for public works commissioner. why is that and what did you sense here about trump? >> i think people find that unusual, that a democrat would support a republican, but here in macomb county that's not so unusual. what you find from the voters in macomb county, they tend to look at the candidate and determine who they're going to vote for. this election wasn't so shocking because of what i've heard from the public. i ran for sheriff, and even as county executive, i say that for this reason, because there's strong republican areas, strong democratic areas but a lot of independent vote. i think what people don't realize about macomb county is voters look at a candidate, make a determination if they trust them, a better candidate, but i think this trump effect that took place in macomb county, people were tired of what happened and what's going on and they want a change. not so much they loved donald trump but they were so upset about what we've been doing in
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this country when it comes to leadership. >> reporter: this shift to trump, how permanent do you believe it is? does this stick or not? >> it can be just a one-term president depending on who comes out next, a stronger republican who decides to take him on in a primary or obviously, which we'll see, another democratic candidate that comes in to try to take him out. i think it could change. it can change in macomb county within that four-year period. >> reporter: i talked to people, they voted for change, they expect change. what's your sense of how do we measure whether trump is successful here and whether it's permanent here? >> i don't think there's any one, i guess, criteria, saying you better build oi wall or do this. the question is, is this going to be a change or shift? how do the parties start getting along and working together? we talk about that but it never seems to happen. i think it's a shift of what goes on in washington is what people will be looking at. he's got his work cut out for him. the public here in macomb county is demanding. if they don't see that change in
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whatever they're looking for, that pendulum will sway back the other way and vote for somebody else to get him out. >> reporter: lastly, there have been reports that you've mauled running for governor. have you made any determination about that? >> right away, the election going forward, they'll be looking at gubernatorial election in 2018. i like my role. i do it, it's not because i want to be governor. if i do it it's because i can see the opportunities and what can change here. it's not a partisan perspective. i know i have to run as a democrat but the reality is i've been very fortunate in getting support from republicans in the county. >> reporter: thank you are for your time. >> live in michigan, one of the stories of the night just nine days ago now. coming up next, house democratic leader nancy pelosi formally lobbying to keep the job she held for more than 14 years. there's news now that not one, but two members of her own party might challenge her to be house majority leader. can she survive?
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i want to tell the president-elect i'm on his team. very excited -- he wants to talk to me, obviously, about serving someone else, we'll look at serving somewhere else. regardless, i'm on his team. i'm excited for what he can do for america. >> that was congressman jeb hensarling. you can tell by the gold-plated elevators behind him he's in the lobby of trump tower here in new york city, holding some meetings with president-elect donald trump and his team. back down in d.c. where congressman hensarling spends his day job, mike pence is huddled up with a meeting with paul ryan. any minute we expect to see the vice president-elect walk out. he's going to meet with nancy apelosi, meetings with chuck schumer. all of this comes with congressman pelosi may be facing a challenge to her leadership position.
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she's facing a challenge from ohio congressman tim brian. >> the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and keep getting the same results. time to move on, i think. >> listen, pretty clear words there from congressman ryan. one of my non-nbc fellow road warriors for much of the primary general election season. hi, sabrina, how are you? >> good. >> let's talk about this does he have a shot or is he just sort of reeling in wind mills, if you will? >> democrats return to washington this week, coming to terms with the stunning loss in last week's election so there's a small contingent that believes it's time for a change in leadership. i think the number could grow if nancy pelosi is unable to articulate to the caucus how she
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plans to implement potentially some of the lessons learned from this particular lesson. tim ryan and some other disaffected lawmakers -- i think they feel like they and their constituents have been neglected by democrats and they want to see whether or not the democratic party plans to take that into account as they craft an agenda moving forward and try to return to the majority at some point in the foreseeable future. >> when we're talking about these potential challenges, sabrina, when it comes to democratic leadership, another name that comes up is congressman joe crowley. he's 54. i bring that up only because there are groups of democrats urging someone with a young, fresh face to get up there and be the leader of the next generation of democrats. so, is he kind of the right choice for democrats? what's the sense from your reporting of what folks are saying? >> well, joe crowley is already a member of democratic leadership. he's the fifth-ranking member
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who's been a long-time ally of nancy pelosi's. he's kind of holding his cards close to his chest. he says he's just listening to a quiet lobbying effort to try and get him to potentially weigh a run against nancy pelosi. i do think she has a lot of loyalists, however, who are looking at these challenges and might rally around her at a time like this because there are many who feel democrats not need to compromise on the principles of which they campaign. it had more to do with tactics. nancy pelosi said she's the one in 2006 orchestrated some of their victories in the past. that's the case she's going to make moving forward. >> let's talk about james clapper, announcing his resignation. not a particular shock but the timing as president-elect has been putting together his cabinet, putting people in national security and intelligence positions. what is the impact of clapper's resignation, do you think? >> well, his resignation does not go into effect until january
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2017. it's important to note he always said he was going to retire at the end of this year. we don't know what donald trump plans to do in terms of who he might replace james clapper with. there's a lot of uncertainty in the transition process. so many names have been floated. it really has to do with what kind of tone does donald trump set on national security? this is someone who called for a return to torture practices such as waterboarding, who openly said we should retaliate against the families of terrorists. so, is he going to try to make an appointment for someone who would actually heed those calls or is that just high peyperbolee campaign trail? that's one of the big questions over donald trump's national security would look like. >> thank you very much for being with us. we want to check in with how you're responding to our microsoft pulse question.
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following that what you can call upset gop victory. do you think democrats should now focus on finding common ground with president-elect trump? so far, 83% of you say no, don't focus on finding a common ground. do their own thing. just 17% of you think there's a need for compromise. interesting stuff on our poll. pulse.msnbc.com. coming up, what you could call the panda kam, live look at trump tower. that live picture up all day, seeing who's coming, who's going. what's up with all the transition meet sngz we'll talk to a member of george w. bush's transition team after the break. we're also hearing about the white house transition from president obama's national security adviser susan rice will give us a behind the scenes look at day three of president obama's final overseas trip as commander in chief.
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with taco spice already in it? oh, thanks. bon appe-cheese! okay... s have president-elect mike pence during our commercial break left the meeting he was having with paul ryan. now headed across the capitol and across the aisle to meet with democratic minority leader nancy pelosi at this point. you can see the vice pkt wa president-elect waving. he spent more than a decade serving, and you can see him now meeting and chatting with some tourists checking out the people's house down in washington. joining me to talk all things transition as we saw that live look at the head of the transition team is brad blackman, a member of the bush transition team. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> let's talk about this transition.
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there have been reports about the jockeying for poging that's happening. when you see what's going on inside trump to you are, does that strike you as unusual or that's the way things are when you have a switchover? >> business as usual. >> really? >> absolutely. prior to tuesday, november 8th, they were focused completely on winning and now they're focused completely on governing. a wide net is being cast, which includes, vetting, interviewing. slow and go is the way to get the best possible people to serve. >> we're just learning newt gingrich telling mcclatchy he's taking himself -- or not being considered for a cabinet position. when you see names being mentioned, people like rudy giuliani, people like south carolina governor nikki haley who is meeting with president-elect trump at trump tower today, do any of those stand out as real possibilities, names that may be being floated for the sake of being floated? what's your take?
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>> i can can tell you this, only donald trump knows exactly who those people are. the one thing about donald trump, he defies expectation constantly. you can't pin him down on anything that anybody else has said. if it doesn't come from him, i don't believe it's going to happen. i do know this, the people you see coming and going from trump tower are real. they are being interviewed. now, the speculation is, for what? again, i would say, only mr. trump knows. >> when you look at who he's considering for members of his cabinet, for members of his administration. remember, this is a candidate, now president-elect, who ran on a message of change. draining the swamp, hashtag the last couple of months on the campaign, people loved it. as you take a look at trump tower on the left and president-elect on the right. need for change, which donald trump ran on, with the people to put in place people who understand how washington works. is there a balance or do what you want to do? >> there's a balance. we saw that with his first two
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announcements, reince priebus and steve bannon. that's the yin and yang approach. i think the ultimate outsider, the president-elect, needs insiders in order to clean the swamp. nobody knows washington better and is more respected than his new chief of staff. new to washington is steve bannon, who has the big picture in order to work with the president on where he's going to go in governing and to make sure that the policies that advanced are policies that can be implemented. >> democrats -- >> you need democrats, too, i think, in this administration to be ultimately successful. >> and democrats do have some concerns about a man you just named, chief strategist, steve bannon. do you share those concerns? >> no, i don't. i think a lot is the demonization of anybody donald trump would put in power. and i am very comfortable with the fact that steve bannon has the role he has and it's a good role to have because donald trump was elected, quite frankly, by being donald trump
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and having a break the china approach to washington. look, everybody's sick of the way washington has been operated the last eight years. it's a breath of fresh air to have donald trump come in and somebody who is not afraid to reach out across the aisle. and the one word you're going to hear in washington is compromise. >> very quickly, donald trump meeting with the japanese prime minister. it's his first meeting with a foreign leader without the state department, a private meeting. the australian prime minister reportedly called trump after getting his name from golfer greg norman. clearly the president-elect is doing things outside of what we call protocol. does that concern you or should it concern people? >> no, i think that's a breath of fresh air. him meeting with the prime minister of japan in an area of the world that's going to be a real challenge, i think, is a real plus. >> okay. brad blakeman, thank you. it's been exactly one month since iraqi forces began their offensive to take back the city of mosul from isis forces.
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coming up, we are taking you to a refugee camp just outside mosul where newly escaped families are waiting anxiously about any news about family behind enemy lines. president obama and german chancellor angela merkel. up next, chris jansing talks with susan rice about the fight against terror.
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right now, let's talk about more news you missed during the commercial break. just into my in-box here, a very brief readout on the meeting that south carolina governor nikki haley had with president-elect donald trump in trump tower. her deputy chief of staff saying governor haley was pleased to meet with president-elect trump. they had a good discussion. and she is very encouraged about the coming administration and the new direction it will bring to washington. we are going to talk more later on in the show about governor
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haley and why she maybe wasn't feeling quite so encouraged earlier on this year. right now we're heading overseas to prosecute president obama and german chancellor angela merkel are at a private state dinner. it's after they spoke to reporters about their country's relationship and what it would look like in a donald trump presidency, specifically, what it would look like when it comes to the syrian refugee crisis. >> lasting, durable peace with a functioning country requires the consent of people. you cannot purchase people's consent through killing them. they haven't made that transition yet. >> nbc's chris jansing is in berlin following president obama on his last official overseas trip. chris, you've had a chance to catch up with some folks very close to the president here. >> reporter: his national security adviser, susan rice, who before having that job was the u.n. ambassador. she knows this president well.
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on trips like this, she is very close to his side. so, it's highly inusual that we had a chance to pull her aside and talk to her about some of these critical issues that she's discussing with her counterparts and that the president is going to be discussing with eu leaders tomorrow, from climate change to trade to the greek bailout, you mentioned the refugee crisis, all areas where the president has disagreements with the president-elect. and also about the syrian civil war. take a listen. donald trump has voiced support for russia's intervention. he suggested working with assad against isis and president assad himself said trump could be a natural ally in the fight against isis. are we looking at a fundamental shift in long-standing u.s. policy there? >> i think that remains to be seen. we have an enduring interest, the united states in our coalition partners, 68 countries have worked together to defeat isil.
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we've made an progress in iraq and also in syria. and we're going to continue to take the fight to isil and do so with a coalition that is committed to success. you know, if you understand fully what assad has been up to, he's been slaughtering his own people with extreme brutality. most of his effort is not directed against isil. it's directed at the domestic opposition. and so for the united states to throw in our lot with assad or the russians absent a political transition, absent an understanding that our efforts are actually focused on the terrorists rather than on the opposition, doesn't make a great deal of sense in my estimation. >> reporter: so you think there's a fundamental misunderstanding by the incoming administration? >> i'm not ready to characterize their views. i think they're trying to develop their policies. there's a great deal of uncertainty as to what exactly they will pursue, so, let's see.
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>> reporter: and that's the keyword, uncertainty. that's why there's so many questions being raised by foreign leaders, by counterparts of people like susan rice, and why they're being asked these questions frankly, a lot of answers. although the president, as you saw at the press conference, saying sometimes we have to look beyond those words and see what the actions are, hallie. >> nbc's chris jansing joining us from berlin. thank you very much. today marks one month since military operations began in the fight to take back mosul. tens of thousands of iraqis are fleeing what some reporters are calling basically a horror film for fear of being used as human shields by isis. we traveled to one of those refugee camps 12 miles outside mosul. she's joining us now. take us there. what are you seeing on the ground where you are. >> reporter: that's right, hallie. it's one month since that offensive for mosul kicked off but more than two years some of these civilians have been living
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under isis rule. i was here in iraq when the city of mosul fell and some of the stories that we heard today were just painful to listen to. we were at a camp just 12 miles east of mosul. some of the people had arrived as recently as today. they were describing stories of torture, detentions. a group of women that we spoke to told us about an all-female isis brigade that they were more terrified of than the male fighters. those women roamed the streets, beat the other women of mosul, terrifying stuff. a lot of folks arrived here with nothing but the clothes on their backs. they need everything from food, shelter and water. as you mentioned, a lot of those folks, even though they're safe themselves, still have family, relatives, inside isis-controlled territories. that's what makes this stage of the fight so hard, hallie. the civilians are trapped under isis territory. that means air strikes are a lot more difficult. this is urban warfare. the troops can't just go in there. they want to minimize casualties. and isis has also had two years to prepare for this. we're learning now that they
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reportedly used wooden decoy tanks to trick the coalition airplanes from not attacking those areas. so a lot of tricky maneuvers there and a lot of those civilians have not been able to get out. hallie? >> let's talk a little about donald trump, the president-elect will obviously inherit this u.s.-backed operation in mosul. are people in iraq concerned? how do you think that will affect the operation? >> reporter: look, if you're talking about generals and politicians, i think there is some concern because it's not really clear which way the donald trump administration is going to go. on one hand, he's criticized the mosul offensive, he's criticized the obama administration for missing out of that element of surprise. on the other hand, he's talked about bombing the heck out of isis in some areas. so, people don't really know what to expect. when it comes to civilians, quite frankly, they're not tuned into the details of the u.s. election. they're just concerned about getting out alive and making sure their relatives come home safe. >> thank you very much for joining us here. south carolina governor
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coming up next, nikki haley fresh off her meeting with team trump. she was a pretty vocal critic throughout the entire campaign, so is she ready to set aside those old feelings to become a part of his cabinet? we'll talk to south carolina congressman mark sanford next.
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all right, i am juggle a few things here including a new statement of president elect trump. listen to how he describes their meeting. their meeting yesterday was productive. it was unbelievably impressed with senator sessions and his phenomenon record of his alabama attorney general. it is no wonder that the people of alabama elected him.
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t there is been some discussions that perhaps he's in the mix as attorney general. you can see his past experience cited there. taking a look now at capitol hill. vice president elect mike pence is in washington now. any minute we are expecting him to appear with nancy pelosi. it is coming as we get a read out with house speaker paul ryan. speaker ryan calling it productive and terrific. the two of them met about 45 minutes. there is a lot going on and you saw the reaction from governor nikki haley office from her meeting from trump tower. of course, the former governor is joining me now. congressman, thank you for being with us. >> my pleasure. lets talk about governor haley here. >> do you think she's good for secretary of state. that's what sources are telling
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us. i want to get your reaction straight off the bat. >> yes, we do. i think that having folks of different ethic backgrounds matter in that role and given you know, we are 5% of the world's population and most of the world is like us. she's an indian decent and she's been tested. she's handled floods and tragedies all well. i think it is a whole host of different levels. she brings a lot to bear. >> the first is her indian american heritage, do you think that's the only source ambassadore considered? >> she's been recognized by her peers as governor as being quite able and given being elect.
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>> it is been clear that governor haley is not a fan of candidate donald trump. she's been a vocal critic of his. how is she not work for him. >> i mean, it was interesting on lincoln's cabinet and the entire team. part of lincoln's wisdom that he was able to bring together a whole host of despair viewpoints that were able to safe our public. similar crisis point and not a civil war. we are at a crisis point in our country in terms of what comes next. it is going to require real leadership if we are going to get a whole of a debt problem and maintaining america's preimmine preimminent. a rival would in fact fit. >> have you talked to governor haley at all of her interest of working for trump administration? >> i have not. >> do you plan to?
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>> sure. i am sure over the holiday season at some point, it will come up. >> who did you end up voting for r? i read that you did not reveal to the local outlets. >> last time i checked, we have secret ballots in this country. who did you vote for? i just think that's one of the things that's personal. i am leaving it that. >> did you support president elect trump? >> yes, i am committed to working with him and his cabinet and met with mike pence and his team this morning. >> you won't say you voted for him. you supported him but won't say you voted for him, congressman. >> i want to be clear that we have tradition of this country of secret ballot and it is important to keep it this way. >> is this something that you will push forward for president elect trump to release his tax returns of something he has not done? >> yeah, it is gone on a
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bipartisan bill. this is as tradition that we don't need to lose. we kept it in this country for 50 years. if we end it now, i think it brings harm to this overall notion of transparency. it is one more check of the taxpayers and the voters to look at in deciding to look at who they want as a president and who they don't want as a president. i released my tax returns and if you kill at the presidential level, you are kill it at down ballot and that's a mistake. congre congressman sandford, thank you very much for being with us, we have a lot more ahead, we'll be right back. my name is y asn belo-osagie and i'm a co-founder at she leads africa. i definitely could not do my job without technology. this windows 10 device, the touchscreen allows you to kind of pinpoint what you're talking about. which makes communication much easier and faster than the old mac that i used to use. you can configure it in so many different ways,
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elect trump's team. there are enough sins on both sides to fill a complaint ledger adding he believes that it is time to declare a truth on both sides, adding no matter what happens, he says i have had a pretty good run, adding i am not nearly as occupied as the people who cover me. we'll be monitoring the governor. we'll turn on our sound byte on msnbc. thank you very much for joining us, i am going to kick it to my colleague, thomas roberts. >> we got to keep the facts straight. halie, thank you for passing to us. live picture in new york and washington at this hour as we look at these two places of activities with manhattan and the meetings taking place with kellyanne conway, you see right there at trump tower and there at the

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