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again, and we thank you for it. >> in 90 seconds. >> 90 seconds or less, but you think virginia tech will beat clemson. >> i guarantee it. >> elise, do you that that bet? >> i go with clemson. >> is your family an ole miss family or mississippi state? >> we're divided, but i'm going to go mississippi state because they crushed them in the bowl. >> that's what we learned today, willie. she's a bull dog. >> a bull dog. >> my brother is going to be so mad. >> is that what they are? i thought they were the catfish. >> just stop. that does it for "morning joe." stephanie ruhle picks up coverage right now. >> happy given tuesday. i'm stephanie ruhle. breaking news. a crash in the mountains, a plane goes down in colombia. 76 people killed, but five survive. a brazilian soccer team onboard. how did some make it out alive? >> also breaking, mass evacuations. a fast-moving wildfire in the state of tennessee, entire
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tourist towns at risk. thousands evacuated. people trapped at this hilton hotel. look at these images, surrounded by flames. >> nothing we have experienced has prepared us for what we experienced here in the last 24 hours. >> dolly parton's namesake theme park now in its cross hairs. we'll take you there with the latest. >> and breaking overnight, in trumpland, his picks for health and human services. a congressman who made a mission of repealing obamacare, as donald trump meets again with mitt romney later today. plus, the assailant, an american hero. new details on the ohio state student who attacked his classmates. >> i think it's some type of terrorist attack. he did it -- >> his online posts complaining of muslims killed across the globe, and the police officer who stopped him within minutes praised as a hero this morning. we're going to begin with that breaking news overnight, the plane crash in south america, and several new developments just coming in. 76 people were killed, but at
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least five survived this deadly crash after the plane went down in colombia. an entire brazilian soccer team was onboard. the lamia flight was headed to medellin when it crashed. tom costello covers aviation for us. what details are you learning? >> you can see that the video shows an incredibly dense type of an underbrush, if you will, or in this case, an awful lot of vegetation. it seems to have crashed into the side of a hill. this was a british aerospace 146. it went down on approach to mudellian, carrying a brazilian soccer team that had been living a dream this season. authorities say it may have run out of fuel or may have been experiencing some sort of electrical problem before the crash. the mayor of medellin calling this a tragedy of hue proportions. in all, 81 people onboard, including the soccer team. we don't know if we had five
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survivors or six. there is some conflicting information about that. the numbers go back and forth. as you can see, the images suggest it was a terrible, terrible crash. we doknow that there did not seem to be any sort of fire. the flight radar shows the plane was circling medellin repeatedly before finally crashing on approach. again, the co-pilot or pilot raidoing in that there was some sort of electrical problem onboard. a flight attendant said he thought they had in fact run out of fuel. one ambulance driver says the only way to reach the plane was to drive a 4 x 4 backwards up this muddy track. it was torrential rain at the time of the crash, about 10:00 p.m. or so. this is a chartder plane company flying from colombia into medellin. this team had captured the heart of pbrazil. the team's website showed how excited the team was before arriving in medellin for this
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incredibly important final match in a series of final matches. and it was going to be the first leg in this final match, i should say. that competition has now been suspended and this morning, the concern is of determining exactly what caused this crash and also exactly how many survivors there might be. again, the numbers are going back and forth, either five or six in this horrendous tragedy. stephanie. >> thanks so much. we also have breaking news a bit closer to home. wildfires fueled by record dry conditions, they're burning through the great smoky mountains and threatening cities and tourist sites in eastern tennessee. it is believed that more than 14,000 people have already evacuated the area. i want you to look alt these images. these are pictures from inside the park vista hotel. it's in gatlinburg. the guests are watching, you can see, it's within the hotel, and there's another apartment compl complex. look at those flames out there. these are tourists. clearly, they did not know this was coming. things moved very quickly. they're trapped inside the hotel
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as they're watching nearby mountains burn. it's extraordinary. this video here was shot by a man who was trying to escape the area. multiple cities are under evacuation orders and many cabins near dollywood have been told to get out. the issue is some of them can't. we have more from gatlinburg. >> communities in pigeon forge and gatlinburg under a mandatory evacuation order this morning because 30 homes and businesses have been burnt to the ground by this fire, and officials are believing this may be a case of arson. >> oh, my god. it's so hot. >> overnight, desperate attempts to escape a massive wildfire sweeping across the communities of gatlinburg and pigeon force, tennessee. motorists driving along smoke-choked roads, fleeing intense flames lurking and spreading like molten lava. residents thankful to make it out of their homes alive. >> they let me go back in for a few mnltsz to get my animals out too, get them safely.
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we're all safe now. my son, so we're fine. >> and while terrified guests were trapped inside a hilton hotel surrounded by flames, the fire too close and too dangerous for them to leave. these pictures taken by an employee of the hotel showing the fire burning right outside. local officials say 30 structures were devoured by the flames including an apartment complex. more than 500 acres burning in the small towns, several roads through great smoky mountains national park have been closed. officials say 70-mile-per-hour wind gusts fueled the out of control fires near several popular tourist destinations. including dollywood. >> extraordinary. thank you to brendan bates from our local affiliate. i want to bring in meteorologist bill karins and stay on this. how did a fire like this get started and move so quickly? the fact that the flames are that close to the hotel while there's guests trapped inside. walk us through this. >> there wasn't a lot of notice for a lot of these people.
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what happened is we had a storm system producing winds of 50 miles per hour sustained. even reports of 70 to 80 miles per hour. there were already fires in the area. when those winds hit, this thing took off in a hurry. it really spread rapidly. this video by michael, he put this up on facebook. last night. he went through these flames, had very little -- look at the house burning. a beautiful house. this is going through his neighborhood, trying to escape. it's about a four-minute-long video, and just 12 hours, it already has a million hits on facebook. it's one of the most harrowing escapes you'll ever see from a fire. it actually ends when he's trapped at a tree. you don't realize he's safe, and later on he posted that he did make it out of the flames. at times as he was driving, he would talk about the immense heat in the vehicle. there's a dog in the back, you can hear the dog panting because it was getting so hot in the car, and there were trees that were falling. the big question now is historic, we heard 100 structures now potentially have been burned. we don't know the fate of the downtown area.
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ee have one second-hand report of a mother of a firefighter, and the firefighter told his mom it's all gone. we're still waiting for pictures. we hope not. the aquarium is there, the ripley's bidding is there. a beautiful downtown and we're afraid of what we'll see shortly. >> we have to take a turn to politic and the latest potential edition of donald trump's cabinet. georgia congressman tom price is the pick to head up the department of health and human services and more meetings are on tap in new york as the president-elect sits down with candidates to become the next secretary of state and doing it in a very public way. kristen welker is live on capitol hill. kristen, walk us through what we're expecting today, because the fact that mitt romney is back, it is extraordinary to me. >> extraordinary. i mean, he's had a meeting with president-elect trump before. the fact that they're going to have a dinner tonight signals that the president-elect is very serious about mitt romney. of course, there has been a lot of internal division over this pick. the fact that he was not loyal
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to president trump, then candidate trump. the fact he was one of the top republicans to come out and excoreiate him, and kellyanne conway over the weekend saying loyalty is a key quality here. what's interesting is that the president-elect meeting with senator bob corker today as well. i'm told he's a really serious candidate for secretary of state. he's someone who has expressed interest in the position. he's been advising president-elect trump throughout his transition and his campaign. obviously, he met with david petraeus yesterday. and you heard it from the president-elect himself. he said he was very impressed by david petraeus. so what's interesting, the question is, stephanie, has all of this infighting really opened the door to a third candidate? someone other than romney or giuliani. and the sense is that it may have. in fact, done that, so watch for that corker meeting today. in terms of what you started talking about, tom price, the pick for hhs secretary. this is someone who, like president-elect trump, wants to repeal and replace obamacare.
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he has been very outspoken on this matter. so reading into this pick, it means that the president-elect is determined to see this happen. and the thing to know about that is while it might be expedient to repeal obamacare, what do you replace it with? that's where the hard work begins. that's where it gets a whole lot tougher. in terms of what we can glean, we get the sense based on comments that price has made that he wants to create incentives for people to contribute to their health care savings accounts, but that under his plan, people with pre-existing conditions would not have the same protections they have right now. of course, president-elect trump when he met with president obama said, he said, that he wanted to keep that in place. so those are among the things we're watching. by the way, i'm here on capitol hill where trump's a.g. pick, jeff sessions will be holding a charm offensive today, meeting with his fellow lawmakers on capitol hill, including chuck grassley. >> all right, kristen welker, asking the big question, what
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matters more, loyalty to donald trump's presidential campaign or loyalty to the united states of america. we're going to find out as donald makes these important picks. when we return, staying on donald trump. this morning, he has said flag burning should not just be illegal but americans should lose their citizenship over it. why is he tweeting about it now? plus, new details on the ohio state student who went on a slashing spree. what he posted online about how muslims are treated that may point to a motive. and i want you to look at this. a woman, she opened the emergency exit of the plane that she was on right after landing, and she jumped out. that's right, jumped out of the plane, ran across the tarmac. extraordinary. we'll have that story ahead. jack be nimble, jack be quick, jack knocked over a candlestick onto the shag carpeting... ...and his pants ignited into flames, causing him to stop, drop and roll. luckily jack recently had geico help him with renters insurance.
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hi, what's your emergency? >> i'm at ohio state, right outside of watts hall and there's a guy who crashed his car into a bunch of people and ran out with a knife chasing down people. >> extraordinary. that 911 call from those terrifying moment at ohio state university just 24 hours ago. today, class are resuming one day after a student mowed down people on campus and slashed students, injuring 11 before he was killed by police. stephanie gosk is live in columbus, ohio. stephanie, this 20-year-old suspect, he apparently published rants on facebook. what exactly did they say, and it sounds like maybe those rants are what's pointing to a possible motive? >> hey, stephanie. good morning to you. you know, law enforcement are very, very careful before they assign any motive to this posting on facebook. but they do say that he left it on his page before the attack. and it goes on to talk quite a bit about attacks on muslims overseas.
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mentioning very strangely burma, which is an odd example of violence against muslims, not perpetrated by the united states. and european nations, but nonetheless, he talks about that. he also goes on to say he had reached a boiling point and that he had had enough. he makes a reference to a u.s. cleric, aulaqi, who is a name you might remember. this is a cleric that was killed in a u.s. drone strike in yemen in 2011. but authorities, again, they're saying they have not ruled out the possibility that he acted alone and that there might have been a trigger, something that led him to this in his personal life. >> stephanie, take us to the scene. from what we have learned, police arrived just one minutes after the call, and killed the suspect shortly after. what do we know about the officer who was really the hero there, because it was upsetting to hear anyone injured, there could have been a lot more people. >> yeah, absolutely. 11 people were injured. we're told that there are only
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four still left in the hospital, which is really remarkable when you consider the fact that he drove his car up on the sidewalk, he had a knife with him. but the credit is being placed on this one officer, 28-year-old ohio state university police officer. his name is alan horujko, and he's being credited as the hero. he got out very quickly, saw that this was a potentially deadly situation, and he killed the suspect. he's been placed on administrative leave, which is really just standard procedure as they investigate the incident. but this morning, there are a lot of people who are saying they are thankful that he was there and that he acted as quickly as he did. stephanie. >> thank you, stephanie. alan horujko. american hero. >> up next, the wisconsin recount set to start, but is pennsylvania next? a judge now has to decide. we have got the latest. plus, breaking news. mass evacuations in tennessee. a wildfire ripping through the tourist town of gatlinburg. guests are trapped at a hilton hotel.
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you are watching msnbc. and all eyes are on trump tower today. environme vice president-elect mike pence said to expect, quote, a number of very important announcements today. we already might know of one of them. georgia congressman tom price is the choice to head the health and human services department. he's also chair of the house budget committee and spent two decades of a surgeon in private practice. i want to break down what it means. i'm going to bring in conservative radio host charlie sykes. also real clear politics reporter caitlin hughy burns. tom price, not a fan of obamacare. does this pick signal that going after obamacare, repealing it, amending it, is on the top of trump's agenda? >> yeah, no question about it. there's speculation about a lightning strike on obamacare right at the beginning of the term. i think this raises the possibility. also, look, paul ryan made no
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secret of the fact he would like to reform and save medicare. and putting somebody like tom price in that position certainly tells me you're going to have a close relationship between the republicans in the house, you know, and the trump administration, and they're serious about reforming and -- well, reforming medicare and repealing and replacing obamacare. you know, in pretty short order. an impressive choice for conservatives. >> let's talk about mitt romney for a moment. you know, if we indulge the trump campaign and the infighting, how they feel about mitt versus rudy giuliani, many have said donald trump is treating this, it's his pick and only his pick. but donald doing this in such a public way, sort of testing the waters, seeing how the public responds, is he really sort of crowdsourcing in terms of does america want to see mitt romney as secretary of state? >> well, that certainly is one theory. it's really hard to determine what exactly trump's strategy is here, but if we take what we
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learned from the campaign, he has been very public about these choices. and it appears to show that he takes into account public reaction to these choices as well. and considering how these -- how much these candidates kind of want this position. i talked to some strategists who suggest the president-elect likes to see these candidates kind of compete for the position and kind of give them a road test, so to speak, before he makes that final choice. but it really is kind of unprecedented to see the level of publicity here. most transitions take place kind of behind the scenes. they don't really want to, you know, shake the boat too much and don't want to really embarrass those choices who weren't picked. but there is a very public theatrical element of this, and we saw that throughout the campaign. i think this is something that's going to continue throughout the trump presidency. >> charlie, is this what america
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wanted? this was a change election. they voted for donald trump, who was an unprecedented candidate in terms of his style and his background. so the way he's conducting this transition, what's your take on it? >> well, it may not be what they wanted but what they get. they get this elaborate kabuki dance as well. it was extraordinary to find that kellyanne conway in fact did not go rogue, she had gotten a green light from mitt romney to trash one of his candidates. think about the elaborate drama, bringing in david petraeus, having dinner with romney tonight. is he vetting them, is this a process of humiliation? we just don't know. and then again, we have the name bob corker, coming out at the last moment, which is, by the way, very, very plausible. so if donald trump wanted to create drama, he has succeeded in doing that. if the american people didn't want drama, they wouldn't have elected donald trump in the first place.
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>> hope it's not kabuki theater because i don't juan anyone you're talking about to open their kimono. i want to talk about a tweet that donald trump sent out, reading nobody should be allowed to burn the american flag. if they do, there must be consequences, perhaps loss of citizenship or a year in jail. caitlin, while this may be donald trump's views, can you explain the relevance given all that he's got to do, why put out this tweet, make this statement now? >> well, there's a couple different theories to trump's twitter behavior. we know that he sees it as a communication tool, particularly to his base. but of course, we're in a transition period now where he needs to appeal, of course, and represent the nation at large. there's another theory, too, that these tweets distract from news that could be, you know, a liability for him. there's lots of focus lately, of course, on his business dealings and conflicts of interest that have arisen or figure to arise during his tenure. and so i think this also
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distracts from some of the bigger picture stories. what it also does is, you know, there are republicans on capitol hill who want to be talking about the agenda. they're coming back to washington this week after the thanksgiving break. they want to be focused on the republican agenda moving forward. they have praised some of these picks like tom price, even jeff sessions to some extent. these tweets only distract from the work at hand, and i think you're going to hear many republicans kind of scratching their heads at this as well. >> chaos seems to be the name of the game. caitlin, charlie, thank you. >> we'll take a quick commercial break. next, more breaking news to cover. as many as 14,000 people have been evac waited in tennessee after a fast-moving fire. we have dramatic vitio. i want you to look at this. a man driving through the fire trying to escape took this video from his car. it's amazing. plus, the video everybody is talking about. a woman who opened up a plane's emergency exit just after they landed and jumped out. ran across the tarmac. liberty mutual stood with me
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welcome back. i'm stephanie ruhle. you're watching msnbc. it's time now for your morning primer. everything you need to know to start your day. >> a tragic plane crash in colombia has killed 76 people, including players from a brazilian soccer team. remarkab remarkably, add least five people survived the crash. >> classes add ohio state university are back. a day after somali-born student wounded 11 people, driving his car into a crowd and attacking them with a butcher knife. police are investigating whether the tack was an act of terror following the discovery of anti-u.s. facebook rants posted minutes before his attack. >> johnthony walker, the driver in last week's deadly and devastating school bus crash in chattanooga made his first appearance in a tennessee court this morning. the 24-year-old faces six counts of vehicular homicide. a preliminary hearing is set for december 15th. >> the state of texas has
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reported its first home-grown case of the zika virus, becoming the second u.s. state with local mosquitoes spreading the virus. there have been over 4,000 cases of zika reported here in the u.s. and sorry, hallie jackson, the eagles, philadelphia eagles, did not soar in monday night football. suffering their first home loss last night to the green bay packers. 27-13. >> all right, i want to go back to colombia where we're going to talk more about the deadly plane crash that took place where as many as six people actually survived. lamia airlines flight was on its way to medellin when it crashed into a mountainous area. i want to bring in commercial pilot and former flight instructor, anthony roman. what happened here? >> a couple scenarios that could have occurred. the pilots did declare an emergency, citing electrical problems, but this prar model aircraft has in the past suffered what's known as engine
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roll back. and simply what that means is when they turned on the anti-ice systems, and there were icing conditions in the mountains at that time, when they turn on the wing and engine anti-ice systems, the engines simply shut off or roll back to idle. that's a phenomenon. doesn't occur every time, but it's known with this particular aircraft. that can also cause electrical malfunctions or loss of electricity in the aircraft temporarily during that phase. the aircraft was only at 15,000 feet. now, that sounds pretty high. except the airport is at 7,000 feet, because it's in a valley within the mountains. meaning simply that the an des mountains are twen,000, 13,000 mountains and these aircraft generally follow a race track type pattern when they're descending to the airport. if that happens at 15,000 feet, it was a heck of a lot of trouble. >> a heck of a lot of trouble.
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when you look at the images, it's devastating what was left on the ground. how does someone survive this? the fact that five, six people lived, how? >> it's luck of the draw. if you look at the early photographs and you see a lot of the plane is intact, particularly the center of the fuselage, that borders the aircraft wings. that's generally where the fuel tanks are on most aircraft. either in the wings or the center fuselage. the fact that area is intact and shows very little evidence, very little early evidence of post-impact fire, would suggest that perhaps fuel exhaustion may be another cause. >> in general, is there a better place to sit on the plane? those five people clearly, they were sitting somewhere where they were safer, but normally, when you get on a plane, is there a safer seat to be in? >> there really isn't. it really depends on the type of accident you're in, what's happening at the time, the weather conditions, really the luck of the draw. >> i want to turn now to another
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aviation story. bizarre, i guess, is the best way to describe it. we're going to pull it up here. a woman, when this plane landed, pulled the emergency exit lever, hopped out of the plane and ran across the tarmac. how does this happen? >> this is an incredibly dangerous thing to do. clearly, she was emotionally disturbed because she was not arrested. she was placed under psychiatric care. so the police make a judgment at the time of the arrest. but we also find that she was sitting in an emergency exit right by the removable door over the wing. now, the flight attendants are required to question those passengers prior to flight -- >> don't let kids sit there. >> yeah, indicating, can you help in the case of an emergency. did the flight attendants notice she was behaving erratically during the flight or at that time? that remains a question mark. and will be revealed during the course of the investigation. >> how often does something like
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this happen? >> not very often. it's not exactly rare, but it's not an everyday thing. >> glad she wasn't injured and no one else on the plane. >> she ran right in front of the engine so that's a real problem. >> i can't believe this story. all right, tony, thank you so much for helping us. >> we'll take a break. next, we'll go back live to tennessee where a wildfire is ravishing cities and tourist sites. we'll speak to the spokesman for the tennessee emergency management next.
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back to our breaking news in tennessee. fires that are burning in and around gatlinburg, forcing thousands from their homes. some barely escaped. i want you to check out this video shot by a man who is literally driving through the flames. >> [ bleep ]. go, go, go. don't get a flat right here. [ bleep ]
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go through it. go through it. >> i can't. [ bleep ] >> we cannot be stuck. >> i mean, amazing. that video was shot by michael, who was driving through chalet village, and we can tell you he did make it out safely. i'm joined by the spokesperson for the tennessee emergency management agency. joins me now by phone. dean, take me through some tennessee history. wildfires, we're used to hearing about them out west in california. how common is this in tennessee? >> well, we have wildfires out here in tennessee too, just not as widespread and as covering as many acres as what you see out west. but since early november, we have been experiencing exceptional drought conditions. in our lower southeastern portion of the state. and the drought situation has fed the wildfire threat this
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year. and unfortunately, what we saw happen last night in gatlinburg and sevier county was a result of our drought and wildfire threat. >> the last we reported, there were no fatalities. is that still the case? >> we have information that there are no reported fatalities. we have information that there have been four injuries, that they were victims who were burned. they were transported and getting treatment, but no, we have no reports of fatalities in sevier county. >> are people still trapped inside the hilton hotel? one would think tourists could have gotten out of there, they didn't need to stay. there. >> the information i have from local officials on the ground is they started the evacuations last night. i don't have any reports of people that are trapped. currently. that could change. you know, at nighttime, as serious as this situation is,
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you know, information will always be kind of the first thing that will have to be changed in the light of day. so right now, i don't have any information that there are people trapped in sevier county, in hotels, cabins, or other structures. we have the tennessee highway patrol and the tennessee national guard both are going door to door in the county and helping with wellness checks. to check on people. we have the tennessee department of transportation also out, helping firefighters to make sure that their vehicles have gas, petroleum, diesel, everything they need to keep moving and fighting fires. there's a lot of agencies putting resources to make sure we're protecting lives. >> to the best of your knowledge, the flames are no longer blockading people in like the images we saw last night from the guests who were stuck inside the hilton hotel? that's not the case anymore?
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>> to the best of my knowledge. >> and what is it, the status really, on fire officials really being able to put this fire out? >> well, they are still working on it. we had rain last night. it helped a little. the high winds, though, there's still a lot of wind over there spreading fires around. they're still working on fires this morning. we are bringing in firefighting resources from other counties in tennessee to assist, and they are trying to make as much progress as possible in putting the fires out. >> then if the winds are still high, your best guess, how wide could this spread? >> i could not speculate on how wide it could spread. but we're going to fight it as hard as we can to keep it from spreading. >> dean, we appreciate all your hard work. good luck out there. >> thank you. >> all right. we're taking a break. flex, the shooter in the charleston massacre makes the odd request to defend himself,
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welcome back. you're watching msnbc. the accused shooter in the charleston massacre will now be representing himself in his federal death penalty trial. msnbc's chief legal correspondent ari melber joins me now. dylann roof, the shooter, made this last-minute request, putting his legal team aside, wanting to defend himself. when this guy could be sentenced to death. what do you make of this? >> this is the ultimate risky decision. legally, this makes it far more likely that he will be found guilty and more likely he will face the death penalty. trying to represent yourself in any case, let alone a capital murder case, the most complex that there is, is like trying to do surgery on yourself. even if you were a doctor, it's a bad idea. if you're not, it is dangerous. >> given how dangerous it is, does it give him more opportunity to appeal? >> well, there's always the
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chance that when you make this kinds of decision, you have the record, and then later you come along and can say the judge was wrong to grant it. in other words, what would be a safety hatch here is not anything that mr. roof the defendant is doing but rather the idea that maybe he was incompetent, but people may not realize it's a very low bar here. when we say that someone is competent to handle their own defense, we don't mean they are perfectly sane. we don't mean they are in their right mind. all we mean legally is that they can handle basically providing some defense for themselves and they have some understanding of the consequences. here, in a somewhat dramatic exchange in court, this judge told this individual who obviously is reviled by so many people, he has publicly spoken about, admitted to doing these heinous mass murders and the judge said this is a bad idea. this is really against your interests but you have the legal right. and people may recall, it's in the bill of rights, the sixth amendment. you can represent yourself unless you are completely mentally unable to do so. >> do we know why exactly or to
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the best of your knowledge, why dylann roof would do this at the last minute, casting aside his legal team? >> as you say, it's dramatic, last-minute. we don't know why. the main theory here, and we have seen this in other cases so there is historical record where this happens is his lawyers wanted to make his mental capacity a key point of defense. there is a moral question. even when you look at something as terrible as this. i cover these trials. i would tell you this would be, if there's ever a case that justified the death penalty, it's this. that's where people who even oppose the death penalty might say this person had it coming to them. the moral distriquestion is wha you found out this person is completely incapacitated or insane. would you still take their live? it's a question for the courts, for the jury, a question that is less likely to be adjudicated because he's less likely to put forward the argument of his own mental incapacity. that may have been one of the reasons he pushed his trial team
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aside. the other point, that team there is now in an advisory capacity. he like any person who is not a lawyer wouldn't know the first thing about how to interview people, how to put forward legal arguments. they're there to give him advice, but they're no longer his official counsel. >> that team, were they appoi appointed by the state or private lawyers? >> he had private people who came in to do it. it's different than a court-appointed lawyer because there was more interest in helping him out. again, the big question here in this kind of case, given his public statements, is not did he do it, not does he have an al i alibi, not the things people may remember from movies and crime shows, it's a narrow question. is he so menally incapacitates that the state should think twice before executing him. we have cases where someone is completely insane, and legal insanity is determined different
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thanly mental insanity, the court will say that's not possible, but you have to be out there. the fact you have some problems doesn't get you off the hook. >> in terms of morality. if he's defending himself, will he be the one questioning questr family members of the victims who have gone through the most heinous experience? >> that's exactly right. you put your finger on another part of this. for the victims' families, he's going to be in direct exchanges. it could be dramatic, uncomfortable, controversial. the judge will referee that. so if he acts in a way that is untoward inappropriate, that will be stopped but that's what we gear up for. this was certainly a twist yesterday in this case. >> ari melber, thanks so much, breaking it down. developing now, we just learned new information that donald trump taking meetings as the transition moves forward. we'll talk about who he's going to see today and what he's going to do throughout the next week. i want to take you to trump tower. our own ann thompson is standing by. first, talk to me. donald trump is changing up
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schedules. we heard he'd love to do rallies again and that's what he's doing, a victory tour on the schedule? >> reporter: in fact, it was just confirmed, yes, the trump campaign, well, the administration now, donald trump, the president-elect, will be doing a victory tour starting thursday, the first event that we know of is scheduled for 7:00 in cincinnati. as you know, the vice president, excuse me, the president-elect really enjoyed being out on the stump, those large rallies that he had that were like oxygen for him so now it's an opportunity for him to get back out with the people in those rust belt states. ohio was key to his victory. and to thank the people for supporting him. now, today, he's about the business of creating an administration. vice president-elect mike pence just went into trump tower. he said a very busy day is ahead. he wouldn't give us hints of
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what was to come but we can tell you among the people that the president-elect will be meeting with today are tennessee senator bob corker. he's the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee and is believed to be in the running for the secretary of state position. but perhaps the most interesting meeting of the day will be a dinner tonight with former massachusetts governor mitt romney. that is a session described by trump aides as a chance for these two men to get to know each other better. former governor romney is also in the running for secretary of state and as you know, has said nasty things about the president-elect during the campaign. stephanie? >> thanks so much. how about that. a little presidential pep rally on donald trump's agenda. we'll take a break. coming up, after a weekend of spending and eating, today is about giving, giving tuesday. up next, a closer look at one of my favorite organizations, girls inc. nyc. ugh. heartburn.
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get ready because today, the spotlight is on giving tuesday. the global celebration of giving back comes right after spending on black friday and cybermonday was massive and today's a reminder that charities around the world are doing good and may need our help this time of year. joining me now is a friend of mine, pam marago, to help girls become strong and bold. you are speaking my language. what does your group do? >> that's our commission migsmi. we deliver life changing programs all throughout the city. 6,000 girls from financial
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literacy to pregnancy. it's expeeriential. they have tough circumstances. and investing in those girls gives you what we call the girl effect and the girl effect means you invest in girls education that grow up to be women. it helps the social fabric because they give back to the families, they have smaller families. they have healthier families. more well educated families. that helps everybody. girl effects started at goldman. he said, you know, every year, a girl is educated, their earnings increase 10% to 20%. so you see if you trend that out, it has an unbelievable effect on communities and on
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whole societies. >> why is financial literacy your most impactful program? >> because it comes from impoverish circumstances and it's all about money. money centric because they don't have it. so we want to teach them, the difference between needs and wants and how to spend, how to save for college, teach them that in their communities, a lot of times, lending is predatory. so teach them what bank, how to use a bank. it's, money is an important part of everybody's life. so to teach girls at an early age how to deal with money, how to have good relationship with money is a very important skill. >> you're helping these girls every single day. check out their web site. girlsinc.com. but pay attention here. msnbc is an integral part of the giving tuesday movement and hope you're paying it forward too.
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show us your #givingtuesday and log on to msnbc.com/givingtuesday. it's not just shopping this week, but giving. that's going to wrap up this hour and i'm grateful to be part of the giving tuesday. you can find me on twitter. more news with my friend and colleague, craig melvin. >> thank you so much. we start tuesday with breaking news out of tennessee. that's where several wildfires continue to burn in the smokey mountains. those fires have already damaged or destroyed about a hundred homes. they are now threatening dollywood and we get new details about the suspect in yesterday's attack at the ohio state university campus, the suspect posting a rant on facebook shortly before the the attack claiming that he's, quote, reached a boiling point. overnight, a plane carrying a brazilian soccer team goes down in columbia killing more than 70
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people. six people did survive that crash. we'll get the those stories in a in a moment but let's start in tennessee. right now, a mass exodus is under way in eastern tennessee. that's where fire crews are battling more than a dozen wildfires, burning through the great smokey mountains. more than a thousand people fled the area overnight as several cities including the very popular tourist town of gatlanburg under major evacuation orders. 100 homes and businesses wuburn so far including a 16 story hotel. strong winds maacing matters worse. fueling the flames, knocking down power lines, igniting new fires as well. brandon bates from our nbc affiliate there, wbir, has more from the scene. >> going, it

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