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as producer of "the apprentice," and we'll take a turn to south carolina where the jurors in the dylann roof trial, they're hearing the suspect's videotaped confession. a two-hour confession in court today as chilling video shows him leaving the chump with a -- with a gun in hand. and the father of a teen shot at a reno high school questioning request exactly police pulled the trigger. we're going to begin though with president clinton trump. we expect him to take the stage within the hour in baton rouge. he's been taking heat for recent cabinet picks as he sorts through the short list for secretary of state, and gets what? it's not that short. >> rex tillerson, i saw al mullally from ford, amazing records as the captains of industry. you obviously have governor romney, senator corker. >> that's a lineup. that could balance the criticism
his labor nominee has faced. andrew puzder who is against raising minimum wage above 9 bucks an hour and for the racy ads he's put out there during the super bowl to sell hamburgers. >> benjamin, do you like bourbon burgers? juicy, grass fed beef. >> that's a wow. already, joining me from baton rouge, our chris jansing and kristin welker in grand rapids, michigan. chris, let's start with you. yesterday you were also covering trump in your home state of ohio. why this trip today to the deep red state of louisiana? why is that so important? >> reporter: yeah. it's a good question because donald trump won her by 20 points. why come back? well, it's the senate race and a republican by the name of john kennedy, he has been leading. he is the final republican candidate in the final race of
this 2016 campaign, and it's 52, that's the number everybody on the republican side is looking at. that's the number of senate seats that the republicans would have if john kennedy wins here. may not seem like a lot, one seat, but when you look at the ambitious plan that the republicans have, one seat could make a difference when you're looking at things like health care reform or repeal, when you're looking at things like changing the filibuster rules. on the other side, you have the democrat foster campbell. in spite of the fact he's been behind, he has been getting a lot of frustrated democrats who have seen nothing to be happy about in this campaign season. he's given them one last chance to try for victory. they've been coming in from out of state knocking on doors, making phone calls. there have been phone banks in california and new york. what he hasn't gotten is the support of the national party, and he talked to me about it just a short time ago. take a listen. >> i think the national democratic party needs to wake
up. we're not -- in the south that he just given up on the south and it's a shame. there's a lot of fine people here who believe in social security that the democrats created, who believe in medicare, who believe in a minimum wage, who believe in the gi bill. they've just pretty much put all their ducks in one basket up in four or five states, and when they lost, they lost. >> for some democrats though who are not in charge of the dnc or the democratic senate campaign committees, they have been speaking with their money, $2.5 million pouring into this campaign, and one of the things that the democrats will tell you here is there's a democratic governor, so even though this is a heavily red state it's not out the realm of possibility. i don't know if you can hear in the background, there was a little bit of moaning. i'm looking outside. there are dozens of people out there. the president clinton r-elect re
than an hour behind. they just announced he will be getting here shortly without any more specificity about that. >> these trips he's taking are previews but if you look at the tour stops, it kind of seems like reruns of what he did on the campaign trail. tonight in grand rapids, what do you expect we'll hear from the president-elect? >> reporter: well, i think you are going to hear more of what we have heard in these past stops, a big thank you to all of his supporters who helped sweep him into the white house. he's going to be joined by his education secretary betsy devoss, and i think that the challenge though for the preside president, he has said he wants to unify the country, and he's coming back to these places where he won. will we start to see him go to some of the states he lost? that's really the big question. look, steph, michigan is a significant state for the president clinton. he was t -- president-elect. he was the first to win
ai george h.w. bush won here. you were talking about in your production some of the controversy swirling around his transition, including the fact we are going to learn he will stay as executive producer of "the apprentice." they say that's okay. i spoke with one supporter who ex prpressed a little bit of concern. they said he's the president-elect. he should focus on running the country. >> there's some new names in the mix. this morning i reported gary cohen, the president and coo of goldman sachs has been tapped to be the national economic council adviser to the president. this is the person who assists the president on all things related to the economy. now, gary cohen is highly
qualified for the job. he's been at goldman sachs for 26 years. you know, he's well versed in all things in terms of international finance. he knows kristine lagarde, angela merkel, mark carney very well. when you take a step look and look, it's controversial. another goldman sachs name donald trump is surrounding himself with and the secretary of interior is a new name he's putting out there today. >> reporter: that's right. well, first to your point about him being from goldman saks, it comes from the heels of steve mnuchin being tapped. of course, this is a president-elect who ran on a platform of draining the swamp. is he draining the swamp? that's what critics are asking today or is he putting more billionaires or people inside of wall street in these top positions. i got reaction from his supporters about that as well.
two sisters, 75 years old, drove about 3 hours to be here. they say, look, he is putting people who are successful into these very important positions. on the other hand, you do have some of his supporters who say we'd really like to see a bigger change, a more robust change in some of these picks that he is making. you talked about interior secretary. he hasn't appointed that person yet, but the person emerging as front-runner, kathy mcmorris rogers, she has been vice chair of his transition. she's also one of the top women in gop leadership. so she would certainly be an interesting pick, but, again, no final answer in terms of that, and then you have secretary of state, steph. that search continues to expand along with mitt romney, rudy giuliani. we're learning allan mullally is now in the mix. >> it mid-romney making his way to the top here? >> reporter: look, he's been at the top for quite some time, but
what we are seeing is the search expand. so the question becomes is the president-elect somewhat uncomfortable with that choice? as you know, some of trump's top supporters are concerned about mitt romney because he was so critical of donald trump as a candidate. he was one of the first top republicans to come out, to speak against donald trump, and you have some loyalists saying, hey, wait a minute, this is really the most important cabinet position. can you pick someone who hasn't always been on board with the president-elect? someone who won't necessarily see eye to eye with him on a whole host of issues? on the other hand, you have a lot of supporters saying he would be a strong counter balance to some of these other picks like a michael flynn who is extremely conservative in a whole number of areas, and so you have a real debate going on inside trump world but there is certainly a lot of focus on mitt romney and he remains in the mix, steph. >> thank you. chris jansing and kristin welker. joining me now political analyst and former rnc chairman michael
steele and msnbc contributor and former vermont governor and former dnc chair howard dean. good afternoon, gentlemen. >> hey. >> michael, i want to start with you. the cabinet, i mean government saks is back. the house of goldman. steve bannon, steve mnuchin, gary cohn. now, these guys are, you know, highly qualified, have led extraordinary careers. >> sure. >> but many people in the country don't want to see this kind of leadership. donald trump disagrees. here is what he said last night. >> i want people that made a fortune because now they're negotiating with you, okay? >> are republicans in favor of this swing back to pre'-08, the go go days of rich guys running the country? >> you know, i don't know if there's a hue and cry against it. i haven't heard that. i think a lot of people actually kind of applaud this because these gives are bringing some conservative economic policies
to the table, and i know that rankles a lot of my liberal friends who, you know, still believe in the days of lyndon johnson, but, you know, the economy is changing. these are men and women who have been involved in that changing economy and particularly in areas when it comes to job creation and job protection, they know something about that. so bringing their perspectives to government i think is going to be -- let's use the word experiment, an interesting experiment, and really test the proposition about, you know, having government run effectively under some business principles. >> governor dean, does this surprise you given the demands that were on hillary clinton to divulge her goldman sachs speeches. donald trump over and over talked about her deep ties to goldman sachs and now he's sounded with goldman guys. >> that doesn't surprise me at all. donald trump is capable of doing
anything at any time and changes his mind at any time. i would remind my good friend mike, and he is my good friend, these are also the guys that tanked the economy in 2008. goadm goldman sachs was a big player in creating instruments that would lose money so their clients could sell it short. this is the swamp, and i don't see any evidence of it being drained. >> all right. michael, i want to talk about what donald trump has said he would do. he said he's going to unify the country, but when i look at his cabinet picks, you have tom price who disagrees with the country on abortion, andy puzder who has opposite views in terms of immigrant workers. there's some confusion in that donald trump is surrounding himself with conservative people, more conservative than ted cruz would have. >> that's interesting. it goes to what the governor just said about donald trump and his mindset, how he looks at it. his business model is one where he likes that chaos, that form
of organized chaos where he has people of competing interests around him. that's how he gets to in his world view, the nub, the sweet spot he needs to get to to solve the problem. so it doesn't surprise me that he has folks who may have a slightly different view than he has on certain issues, a stronger opinion on other issues than he may have, or he may have a dominant opinion that may be softened because someone else looks at it differently. and that's another aspect of what trump is doing that's going to be interesting to see how it plays out when it gets to policymaking. but more importantly to your point, the core point is how does the congress then work with this environment where they're going to have secretaries who are going to be at each other at times and the president is sitting there going, okay, yeah, more of that. >> governor dean, i want to talk about donald trump's pick for labor secretary, andy puzder who talked about using robots to replace workers because they never take vacation, never show up late, there's never a slip and fall or age, sex, or race
discrimination. those things might be true. not a lot of people can swallow that easily. here is what senator chris murphy old our own andrea mitchell. >> for me all the questions have already been answered. this is somebody who opposes the minimum wage, wants to end health care for 20 million workers whose own restaurants have been consistently in violation of federal law, and sort of has a general contempt for the whole idea of people working. >> okay. can democrats realistically block this pick? it's not necessarily that andy opposes humans working. maybe is he realistic that automation is the future? >> so here is this problem. i don't know if he gets confirmed or not. this is a great setup for chuck schumer. of the people that voted for donald trump, they were working class people who had gotten screwed because they'd been left behind by globalization. this is a guy who doesn't give a damn about working people, and donald trump just made him the labor secretary. of course the unions are going to be mad. you'd expect that. i don't think that's going to have a lot of traction in a
senate with 48 democrats -- >> but, governor, that wasn't what his job was to do. his job as a ceo of a fast food chain wasn't to be there to represent for the american worker. he was there to sell hamburgers. >> that's the point. donald trump ran saying that he was supportive of the american worker, and he just picked somebody from labor who -- to run the labor agency that is directly opposing that point of view. these are -- look, there are a lot of union guys who did not vote democratic in this election. he has just smacked them right in the face. so even if he gets confirmed, there's going to be a price to be exacted because there are going to be a lot of very uncomfortable republicans that will have to vote for him and then explain to the working people who voted for republicans for the first time in a long time in places like michigan why they voted for this guy. this guy can't be sold to working americans. they're not stupid people. >> of course not. well, maybe he'll pivot. we'll see. michael steele, governor dean, thank you so much. i appreciate it.
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jurors are watching a videotaped fbi interview that includes dylann roof's on-camera confession in the shooting death of nine parparishioners. yesterday the jury got their first look at a chilling church security cam footage showing dylann roof entering, then exiting the building holding a gun in full view. prosecutors also introduced snapchat video showing roof during the prayer group before the shooting took place. joining me from charleston, mariana atencio. what can you tell us about the video shown in court today? >> reporter: stephanie, that video is still playing in the courtroom now. they've just resumed after a lunch break, and jurors are hearing dylann roof in his own words from that north carolina police station admitting that he, in fact, committed this crime. dylann roof said, and i'm going to quote him, i do consider myself a white supremacist.
he said white people are superior. i don't think the white race is the dominant race. i think it should be though. he went on to add, what i did is still minuscule to what they are doing to white people every day. in the video, stephanie, he also appears surprised when agents tell him that he, in fact, killed nine people. he said he thought it was four or five, and then when they ask him, well, honestly, how does that make you feel? he said, well, it makes me feel bad. dylann roof also confessed to having a gun in his car for over a week just waiting to go and commit those acts anytime, stephanie. >> paul, talk to us about the defense strategy here. so far we've seen a motion for a mistrial. today's motion to admit evidence about dylann roof's personal chshg ist
characteristics. what's the game plan? >> the game plan is obviously to try to shift the focus away from the facts and circumstances that are just horrific in this case and instead try and get the jury to think about dylann's mental state and his own somewhat sympathetic circumstances with his mother having like that heart attack yesterday in the courtroom. anytime the defense can shift the focus away from the facts in this case, you're going to see them bringing as many motions as they can to focus on that outside evidence to try and focus on him to try and attack the legal basis for the counts that qualify him for the death penalty, and that's why that videotape is just so important, because it speaks to both his mental capacity and his intent in terms of what he was trying to do and what he was successful in doing. just horrific, horrific. >> to say even horrific or devastating feels like an understatement, paul. the testimony in the case has been so emotional, even members
of the defense team have reportedly been in tears. is there any justification for the mistrial they've asked for? >> absolutely not. there is no untimely delay. there's no undue prejudice. and at this point this is just delays to the inevitable. you know they're death penalty charges at the federal level. we don't have death penalty in every state, but south carolina is a state that does have death penalty, and there is a state death penalty case that's waiting in the wings. so no matter what the outcome of this trial, there's a secondary trial that's coming up at the beginning of next year with the same expectation and the same goal by prosecutors seeking the death penalty because this case was so terrible and because his actions were so horrific and because the death toll, the planning, the nature, and the circumstances were just so horrendous. i think that all of these mowings that we're smowin motions that we're seeing from the defense are just minor de y
delays to the inevitable. the charges are so clear and the evidence is so overwhelming in this case that it's clear where we're going in this case. >> mariana, we have been getting a look, we showed those images before, at some of the evidence, but has the judge determined this confession video two hours of dylann roof confessing, do we know if it's going to be released to the public? >> reporter: it's at the judge's discretion, stephanie, and actually earlier this week the judge did exclude body cam footage from one of the first responders at the scene that showed, you know, the lifeless bodies of this victims inside that church. he said that was not going to be released to the public because he found it too harmful for this community. we don't know if he's going to apply the same principle to this two-hour videotape confession. we will only know that after court today, and i have just learned from inside the courtroom that in that videotape confession dylann roof does state, yes, i am guilty.
we all know i am guilty. >> wow. mariana and paul, thank you for joining me this afternoon. we have to take a break. >> thanks for having me. next president obama ordering a full review of claim that is russia hacked our presidential election. what could it mean for the incoming administration? plus, trump, surprise, surprise, back on the attack, taking aim against union leader's criticism of his carrier deal, but this time around both sides of the aisle are taking issue with donald trump's tweet. when it comes to healthcare,
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you're watching msnbc, and a reminder we are waiting on donald trump expected to speak at a get out the vote rally in louisiana. we'll bring it to you live when it happens. president obama has ordered a full review of russia's possible involvement in hacking during the election. e-mails from the clinton team
and the democratic party were stolen and then publicly disclosed. officials say evidence points to moscow's involvement and the president is looking for proof to deliver a strong message to russia's leader. >> unfortunately, this activity is not new to moscow. we've seen them do this for years, try and meddle in elections and engage in similar activities in europe and across asia. so they, unfortunately, have a long record of this, but the president has made clear to president putin that this is unacceptable. >> nbc's justice correspondent pete williams is following all of this from our washington newsroom. okay, pete, now that the order has been placed, i mean, what happens next? the fact that the president says vladimir putin, we're not happy. vladimir putin doesn't care. >> two things here. first of all, the report itself, the fact that he's going to do this was disclosed today by lisa monaco, his national security adviser, saying that he's ordered a full review of what
russia did, and he wants that report by the time he leaves office or before he leaves office. you may recall that just two months ago the government said that they saw signs that russia was involved in hacking and trying to influence the election and that this couldn't happen without the cooperation, the knowledge, and the urging of the highest levels of the russian government. they didn't mention vladimir putin by name, but they really didn't have to. so that's the first thing. but she talked about the report today. she didn't say anything about whether the administration would disclose any actions or was contemplating actions to retaliate for the election hacking, so there's been no mention of that. we still don't know what the answer is to that question. >> now, there's a separate effort developing on capitol hill beyond that. what can you tell us about that? >> right, and it's being led by republicans and democrats alike. in the senate two prominent republicans, john mccain and lindsey graham, have both said
they will energetically have investigations and hearings into russia's hacking in the coming congress. now, this is despite the incoming president's sort of downplaying the potential role here of russia. he told -- mr. trump told "time" magazine that the hacking could have been russia, could have been china, could have been a guy in new jersey, and during the campaign you may recall that donald trump said that he didn't believe that russia was hacking, that the intelligence community simply didn't know. so the fact that mccain and graham are going to be leading the charge on this in the senate is somewhat at odds with where the incoming president is and then both democrats and republicans have said they'll do the same in the house. >> pete, new jersey is my home state. they can't possibly be responsible for it. only good things happen in new jersey. it's the garden state. >> neither the capability or the desire. >> we have to end it on that. they don't have the desire. only good things happen. pete williams. don't have the ability. i like that. we'll turn to donald trump's twitter takedown. you can say that any day, but of
a union leader in indiana and it's drawing a lot of criticism on both sides of the aisle. stratis isegists and historians calling the move unprecedented and beneath the office of the president. chuck jones struck a conciliatory tone at a press conference earlier today. take a listen. >> he got upset because his numbers weren't adding up, and he took exception to it and decided to attack me. if trump is sincere about keeping jobs in the country, and you guys have heard him numerous times, that's what his goal is, we'll sit down and we'll work out something to keep these damn jobs here. >> all right. msnbc host and political correspondent steve kornacki joins me. all right, steve, historically speaking this is unprecedented. people on both sides of the aisle saying it's inappropriate, but this is our reality, and donald trump has been engaged in twitter, social media attacks on other politicians, on celebrities, on other countries for months. why is this specific one against
chuck jones such an issue? >> i think it's because it's the first time he's gotten into something like this since being elected president. i think obviously, look, in the final two weeks of the campaign he actually stayed off of twitter. there was some thought when he won the election and especially when he gave that speech on election night that maybe it would be a different donald trump. he used to say during the campaign, believe me, i know how to be presidential, i will do that if i win the election. so i think there might have been some thought that it would be a little different if he won, and i think slowly over the last month or so he's kind of returned to form. and i view this really as more just an extension of that. i think anybody who watched donald trump during the campaign can't really be surprised that he's doing this now. >> but what about the argument that donald calling industries out, maybe this twitter personality, isn't necessarily that bad. look at the boeing example. calling out boeing. that afternoon a conversation is had with the ceo of boeing. this is a guy who wrote "the art of the deal." bullying, negotiating tactics have worked for him in the past.
maybe this is a call to action to all ceos out there, tighten up your game. >> i think especially when it comes to the corporate leaders do shall. >> they don't want to get tweeted at. >> this is also an exceptitensi something he talked about in the campaign. beyond the slogan, it was i know how to negotiate. i know how to negotiate a way that people in politics, a way that politicians don't, and so much of the negotiating that he knows when you read his book, when you read his philosophy, it's about head games. it's about misdirection. it's about coming in really sort of strong trying to throw them back on their heels, and i think he is trying to display that a little bit right now. when it comes to -- there was also a poll in terms of carrier, people did like what they saw from him there. gee came in hot on that air force one tweet, and think about it. boeing's stock dropped, and by the end of the day it recovered. people want to say, if it costs $4 billion, i'd like to see it cost 3. it is what donald claims he can do. >> and that's the other thing as we said. the polling suggests people do
like the idea of an activist president. we'll see what the implications are of that but they do like the idea of it. >> but then you got to deliver. steve kornacki, thanks so much. a quick reminder you can catch steve at 4:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. and you could participate right now. i want you to take a look at our microsoft pulse question. donald trump will reportedly keep his executive producer credit on "celebrity apprentice." he will be leader of the free world and producing a reality show. are you bothered that he's going to have both of these gigs? let us know. actually we have some results. wow. 92% of people are bothered by it, essentially saying, donald, you got one job, it's a big one. run the country. drop "the apprentice." how about it? 92% of the people who participated say, yes, in fact, they don't think he should be part of "apprentice." earlier today -- you know what? this is some serious business that i need to share. i need to apologize to the
audience. earlier today in a segment i stated that the fox network held their holiday party at trump's d.c. hotel. i was wrong. we have since learned that neither fox nor an affiliate held any party. i stand corrected. i apologize for the error. the mistake entirely my error. i wish all my friends at fox a very happy holiday no matter where you have your party. coming up the father of a teen shot at a nevada high school is speaking out for the first time addressing the campus officer's decision to open fire.
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options were available to law enforcement that were not pursued. i want to bring in nbc's senior editor cal perry for more. cal, i want to talk a bit more about what the family is saying versus what you're learning law enforcement is saying. after this student pulled out those knives, the campus police officer did shoot him in sort of the shoulder/neck area. >> it feels like the student was shot in the torso in what you call the main body mass which is what police are trained to do. now, the father is obviously very upset. he's been posting on facebook in the last 48 hours. we have some further statements from him. he says there are many questions to be answered as to what happened and what could have been done to avoid the use of lethal force. you see he says everything is going to be vent investigated. the question here is the situational awareness of the police officer. when you look at that video, you see a very tense scene. wh you're not seeing there as we've blurred out the face of this kid is that he has blood coming from his mouth. there was some kind of confrontation that took place as
that officer arrived on the scene. keep in mind as far as what we know and this is going to be sort of fleshed out in the investigation, this was one police officer arriving to the scene. when you have two police officers, you have a chance of clearing away some of those students in the background. this single officer likely had to act quickly and make a quick decision not only on behalf of the student with the knives but as the police say, you watch your background, you watch what's behind the threat -- >> there's a lot of students back there. >> right. there's a lot of students back there. this is also why police are trained to shoot in the body mass. they are not trained to shoot people in the legs. that is not something they go through through. in talking to law enforcement and asking the question everybody has in their mind, why wasn't this kid shot in the legs, for example, well, if you miss him in the legs that bullet is likely to bounce and hit one of the students behind him. so this officer, at least according to the school district, acted quickly and acted justifiably. >> father is questioning the use
ofletal force. would those knives be considered lethal force? was he responding to lethal force with lethal force. >> police talk about an escalation of force. those knives are clearly putting the lives of other students in danger. let's be clear about this, law enforcement is being verytigh tight-lipped about what other quill the police officer had. you asked me earlier what about a taser? in talking to law enforcement they say a taser is only really useful if the suspect is in one position. this kid is moving around very quickly and it would have been very difficult to sort of get him with a taser. and we don't even know if the police officer had one. what we're talking about is a split second, very difficult decision, and we're talking about protecting the life not only of that student but of all the students. i want to update, the student is in critical but we're told stable condition. his father posted just a short time ago on facebook that it seems as though a piece of his lung needed to be removed in
surgery, but the student as of right now is in stable condition. >> and no other students were injured, right? >> no other students were injured in this incident. >> thanks for joining me this afternoon. cal perry. he may no longer be calling the shots, but donald trump still has a stake in "the apprentice." how the president-elect will continue to profit in prime time. [burke] at farmers, we've seen almost everything,
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contestants they are fired, he is going to continue to profit off the reality show "the apprentice." he will keep his executive producer credit on the show even as he takes office. here is what kellyanne conway said earlier today. >> so concerned about the hours and hours and hours spent on the golf course of the current president. i mean presidents have a right to do things in their spare time or their leisure time. >> rick newman is a columnist with yahoo! finance. rick, thank you so much. now, nbc severed ties with donald trump and "the apprentice" so it's mgm who would be paying him. their creditors are hedge funds. whether it's a legal conflict of interest or not, does donald trump need this noise, this hair around him and continue to get paid by "the apprentice"? >> you're saying why wouldn't he just give it up? we're going to find out. he's basically saying i'm not
really worried about what the media thinks about this. he feels he communicates directly to his supporters. i think it's working for now. i think the problem he's going to encounter, assuming some of these entanglements become controversi controversial, he could end up with a presidency that's just sort of dominated even if it's just questions without answers, you know, smoke without knowing whether there's fire or not, he could have so many entanglements that this is all anybody focuses on and he needs to at some point show results. he needs to show he's creating some of the jobs he promised, boosting economic growth. and if all we're hearing about is somebody getting a payoff or maybe a meeting it's going to interfere with the message. >> what is a conflict of interest. if he delivers those results, if he delivers those jobs, if the american people are happy does a conflict exist? can they say we're making money. we don't mind if you do too? the conventional wisdom for years has been you don't want the appearance of a conflict because that, among other
things, it impedes your ability to get things done. he may prove otherwise and then we have to say, well, is this just upending this sort of political norms we're used to or is this a legal problem. we have a legal system. bribery is still illegal. graft is still illegal. >> is it unprecedented? one could say celebrity apprentice is his craft. president obama was getting bock royalties while he was president. >> i can't think of anything like what -- nobody can think of any precedent for this. >> that's true. >> everybody writes a book so that's basically a norm at this point. once the book is out, i mean, it's just kind of -- it's not like a live business the way, you know, trump's -- the trump organization will be or running a tv show will be. totally different. you don't operationally manage a book. by the way, obama's golf out, were controversial and guess who cland about that? donald trump. i thought what donald trump did in his spare time was tweet but apparently he's going to
executive produce in his spare time as well. >> i want to stay on the trump organization. according to an fec filing that donald trump's family business pulled in 3 million bucks as a campaign expense. this includes trump hotels, trump restaurants, and, again, i mean, he was the candidate. he had to fly. he had to sleep somewhere. he had to eat. but years ago donald trump had said if i ever run for president, i'll be the one guy who could profit from it. do you think he has? >> i think he probably has. what he would say is, well, yes, this ruf knevenue is going to m businesses but i'm also spending a lot of my own money. if you said on balance he probably spent more than his companies got back. the thing about paying his own businesses is he's going to get away with it. the reason he's going to get away with it is, first of all, it is legal as long as you are paying fair market price. you're not allowed to pay more and enrich yourself that way and usual not allowed to pay less and give yourself a better deal. guess who forces it?
the federal election commission. probably the weakest agency in washington. they would do nothing about this. there would have to be a red hot smoking gun on fire -- >> trump tower is one of the most expensive locations in the heart of new york city. >> right. so there's the law and then there's all the million ways to interpret the law plus an agency that doesn't show much interest in enforcing it so i think he's going to get away with it. >> there you have it. all right then. >> whether we like it or not. >> whether you like it or not. hello, america. thank you so much. we have to take a quick break. rick, i appreciate it. all right. well, we have got time for one last look at today's microsoft pulse question. donald trump, as we've been talking about in the last few minutes, is reportedly going to be keeping his executive producer credit on "celebrity apprentice." are you bothered he will be president of the united states and an executive producer of a reality show. earlier 92% said they were offended.
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i'm stephanie rule in today for thomas roberts. i'll see you monday at at 9:00 a.m. kate snow picks up things. >> hello, everyone. here are our top three hours. fake news and lavish parties. the teenager making more than his parents by making up stories on the internet, and he says it wouldn't have been possible without donald trump. that sry in a few moments. but also new scrutiny for donald trump's future labor secretary. a recent interview with andy puzder getting a second look now that he's headed to washington. even some conservatives now criticizing his past comments on the advantages of automation over human workers. and as president obama today ordered a full review of election-related hacking to determine foreign involvement, a stern new message from a bipartisan group of 27 senators aimed at donald trump. stand against russian aggression in ukraine, they say. one of the lawmakers behind that push is scheduled to join me in a few minutes. les