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here you go.picking up for kyle. you wouldn't put up with part of a pizza. um. something wrong? so when it comes to pain relievers, why put up with just part of a day? you want the whole thing? yes, yes! live whole. not part. aleve. the electoral vote, and i never appreciate it had until now, how genius it was, what they had in mind because at the time they didn't want everybody going to boston and new york and everything else would be forgotten, and now it's the same thing. it's genius, i'm telling you. it's genius. >> good morning and welcome to "a.m. joy."
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despite what you may have heard donald trump is not actually the president-elect. that honor is not official until the 538 members vote tomorrow. if all of them stick with the winner of the popular vote in their states as opposed to, i don't know, the national popular vote trump will get 306 more, a mere 36 more than the 270 he needs. a big push fry celebrities, regular folks and electors themselves to get the electoral college to dump trump. harvard professor lawrence lessig says at least 20 republican electors are considering a protest vote and even "saturday night live" got in with kate mckinnon going all love actually on a fictional elector. ♪ clean in heavenly peace ♪ clean in heavenly paes
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♪ but there might have dlsh have also been serious legal toefrts sway the college. my next guest sued alaska's three electors arguing that voting for someone other than the national popular vote winner violates her constitutional right of equal protection and denies the guarantee of one person, one vote. her case got a hearing in federal court and was dismissed on friday. joining me now by phone from alaska is the plaintiff in that suit janice park. janice, thank you so much for joining me. >> thank you, joy. i'm glad to help. >> first of all, walk us through the claim that you filed in
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court against alaska's electors. >> okay. using many rough numbers with hillary clinton receiving 65 million votes and donald trump receiving 62.5 million votes, a vote for trump effectively will be counted at 100% and a vote for hillary clinton for abo about .96% if in fact the electoral college does vote for trump. there's no provision for .9 of the vote. it is one vote for one person, so in my suit i asked that the electors be enjoined from voting in the electoral college because their vote would cause my vote to be diminished. >> you understand probably that the electoral college is meant to dilute the voters in larger states in favor of rural states
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which is probably the suit wasn't successful. what's the next step for you now that your suit was dismissed in alaska? is there a next step for your case? >> there is not a next step that would affect this election. mr. burke. john burke in california filed a similar suit in california and it was dismissed. it was appealed. there was lass lady whom i assume is a regular citizen paula collins in new york filed a similar suit as well. the difference between my suit and mr. burke's is i filed the three specific electors in alaska. in california he sued all 538 of the electoral college members. the electors are responsible for
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their individual state so the court in california don't have jurisdiction over the 538 people and the court here does have over the three alaska electors. >> do you believe that the electoral college should continue to stist. >> i believe that, first of all, i don't think the, that the framers envisioned ever such a discrepancy that would cause the situation that we have now. when they were talking about protecting smaller states i think they were thinking in terms of it states like delaware and rhode island in comparison to new york and massachusetts and north carolina. they probably never imagined there would be a state half the size of europe that would
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have -- only have half a million people in it that would contribute on a greater level than say a state like new york or a state like california. >> yeah. i think a lot of new yorkers and californians agree with you and we are stuck with the system that we have for now. janice park, thank you very much. really appreciate you joining me this morning. >> thank you. and joining us now is the executive director of the new york republican part and a former electors from south carolina and on the phone a civil rights lawyer from ohio who this week filed a case trying to stop one ohio elector for casting a vote for trump. thanks for being here. subodh i want to start with you, the judge's order dismissing janice's case, it's action matic that the electoral question cannot be questioned constitutionally because it's established by the constitution. park's remedy lies in the constitutional amendment process and not with the courts. if you can weigh in on the
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question of whether it's clear for the constitution -- >> do we have subodh? >> i'm not sure that we have subodh. i'm on. can you hear me. >> i don't know -- >> i don't know if there was a problem. there was a problem with my headset. >> i'm not sure if you heard my question so i'll repeat it quickly. >> no, i heard that. >> all right. go for it. >> so it's absolutely clear that the framers of the constitution, including alexander hamilton who wrote about it in the federalist papers so eloquently intended for electors to follow their own conscience. now, that was considered to be an unusual circumstance situation because the idea behind the electoral college was to somewhat follow the popular will as measured by state results, but there's no question
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that they understood the whole reason for establishing an electoral college rather than direct democracy was to give the country a safety valve against situations just like this. where you have pretty much a crazy man about to become president, and if you have any doubt about that, i'll tell you this, joy, you know, a lot of people have been disappointed that the tenth circuit did not grant an injunction in the colorado case that was filed on behalf of electors against the suggestion by the secretary of state that he was going to, first of all, hold electors for the disqualification of trump and punishment if they didn't and what people don't realize the tenth circuit case was favorable. although the court upheld the power of the secretary of state to enforce the qualifications section before the voting begins, it expressly did not
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uphold the power of the secretary of state to disqualify an elector because of how they voted. and there's eloquent language in that opinion that pointed out this history that i'm telling >> you let me point out for our viewers in lay terms. it was a colorado lawsuit in which the question was whether electors could be removed for not voting the way that the state voted. these are hillary clinton electors that are trying to undo lose in 29 states, trump-voting states and essentially the tenth circuit court of appeals say electors cannot be removed once the voting begins. and before i come to the table, very quickly, can you explain the lawsuit that you in fact filed in ohio. >> right, so there are two aggrieved constituents of a state legislator named kristina hagen who is as sitting member of the ohio general assembly and yet is purporting to serve of as as member of the ohio electoral college. the problem for her and for all
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of us is that under ohio's constitution article two and second 4 specifically says that no member of the general assembly can hold any other public office say a few specified offices like notary public and serving in the military. that is federal or state public office and yet she's purporting to be a member of the will electoral college anyway so we'll be seeking a temporary retraining order tomorrow morning, monday morning before the electoral college meets at noon to try to stop her. she's on notice of the suit. she's been handed it and not being responsive. we have no indication she's going to comply with her constitutional obligations so we'll get a court to try to restrain her from violating ohio's constitution on behalf of two of her constituents, miss cane and mr. dolito. >> and let me come to my table with a current owe elector and former elector and i want to go to you on this question, first that the tenth circuit raised which is the question of whether
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or not the constitution intended for electors such as yourselves, formerly and currently, were meant to vote whatever the state voted or to vote your conscience. how do you understand that constitutional provision? >> when i was an elector in '04 and '08 and when i signed up and ran to be an elector, and you can actually be president of a college, the elector if the other electors elect you, and my purpose is when i signed up i signed up and agreed that i would vote the will of the people. in south carolina, both mitt romney and john mccain, no gray area in my state to do it and for the longest time no one could be an elected official and hold arney electoral office because they didn't want the conflict of interest and south carolina didn't have a popular
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vote. it was just the electors. when i first started voting, joy, my first election, i went in and there was no president on elector's names on the voting boovmt voting for electors. >> maybe in south carolina there's an agreement that says and there's a supremacy call that says the constitution overrides. do you believe the constitution says you have to vote the way the voters of new york voted are you and your conscience belief? >> first of all, every vote is a vote of conscience and as an elector, happened 150 some odd times where you have these faceless electors, and if you're an elector you can vote for somebody else. there are penalties. not every state has them and there are penalties. some decide to go another way, sometimes the states don't actually enforce those penalties. sometimes the state will try to remove that elector before they can actually do that, but as an elector you actually can vote somewhere else. >> and let me come to you on the
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same question. what we've heard now is from the caton he believes an elector is abiding by an oath and basel saying you can vote however you want and face the penalties. are the penalties in your view constitutional? >> well, it varies by state. some states don't have a penalty and some do. i don't think a penalty would be constitutional because here's what the u.s. supreme court said in 1952 in ray v. blair. quote no, one faithful to our history can deny the plan contemplated. it's right there in the supreme court's decision. >> toys sell only men. unfortunately, it's still only men. americans haven't decided to
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have a woman hold that position. >> and i'll tell our viewers if you go back and google the election of 1824 in which the winner of the popular vote was one andrew jackson, president of the united states in 1825 was one john quincy adams because the electoral college said he was more qualified to be president. >> the both will be back later on in the show. coming up, the dangerous world that sdrump about to inherit. that's nextch david. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. ♪ everybody two seconds! ♪ "dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations on your acceptance..." through the tuition assistance program, every day mcdonald's helps more people go to college. it's part of our commitment to being america's best first job.. ♪ i have a big meeting when we land,
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reported on. there are places around the world where horrible things are happening and because of my office, because i'm president of the united states, i feel responsible. so with respect to spearia what i have consistently done is taken the best course that i can to try to end the civil war while having also to take into account the long-term national security interests of the united states. president barack obama says the civil war in syria has been one of the hardest issues he's faced since taking office. in one hopeful sign evacuations are set to resume today for thousands of trapped civilians in the besieged city of aleppo after a new deal between rebel fighters and the syrian government. president obama has pushed for a diplomatic resolution to the civil war rather than military intervention. he says creating so-called safe zones would be too difficult to enforce without u.s. ground forces. but the safe zones idea has the
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support of his success or. >> we're going to try to build safe zones. we're not going to have them come over. we'll build safe zones in syria. we're going to build safe zones and we'll get the gulf states to pay for the safe zones. >> joining me now is msnbcour g and thank you both for being here. evacuation opportunity on the besieged people of aleppo, is that real? is that happening? what is the status of it? >> yeah, the reporting on the ground from various aid organizations who are kind of coordinating some of this. it is happening, not happening without any kind of interruptions. we've heard it would start and stop depending on various clashes that would break out. drop in the bucket compared to the hundreds of thousands of people that they are trying to evacuate. by some counts they have been able to get out 5,000 to 10,000
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people. mostly people in critical need, those that are elderly and have injuries. they are trying to evacuate those that need extra help and a lot of people who are still very much in the besieged parts of eastern aleppo they are unable to get out so slow progress is how they are talking about it. >> besieged people of aleppo, for people who are not following and we're talking about besieged by the forces of bashar assad who is attacking this city. >> an area controlled by the rebels as well as other parts of aleppo but over the course of the last month there's been a tremendous push by the president of assad as well as the russian air forces so they have been able to drive a lot of these people into the enclave of eastern aleppo hand that's the part that's been besieged and cut off from other rebel-held areas and through the various organizations that have been taken place in the syrian regime. created a safe passageway to get to other parts of the syria
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still controlled by and aleppo is what everyone is raefrg to as the besieged enclave right now. >> this is alliance between bashar assad's government and russia, vladimir putin's government. donald trump says that with that as the context, and he believes that the russian, you know, government is our friend, right, so he would back that, he would back the syrian-russian alliance and then he says we would build safe zones. we're not going to let them come here because his base does not want to see syrian refugees come to the united states. we'll build safe zones in syria and get the gulf stites pay for them. is that realistic? >> well, it's only realistic in the sense that donald trump would believe that russia, the assad government, iran with hezbollah who is doing the bulk of the fighting up there with the syrian army are the ones who are going to massacre all of the rebels that we have been backing those and our gulf state allies
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for the last eight years and that we would carve out safe zones under the control of russia, the assad government in syria and iran. and that's the only way you're going to get a safe zone in that area. what he's essentially saying he owes going abdicate the entirety of all security in syria now back to the assad government. the government that killed half a million of its own people and it will give iran a solid future creating what's known as the shia crescent from the border of israel all the way across to aleppo connected into iraq and on into iran. this is going to create tension with israel because this loss of aleppo is going to do nothing to resolve the civil war in syria. that's going to go on for some time, but these safe zones that he's talking about are just going to be hotbeds of rebellion that will act like coals on an explosive powder keg that could
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create a regionwide war. >> and for those who don't follow the intricacies of the middle east politics, if you could just explain kind of this divergence because you have hezbollah which is shiite, the assad government which is either sunni, they are another sort of offchute and that's one fax and you've got isis which are sunni, purport to be, and how do the gulf states which are sunni somehow create safe zones or pay for safe zones that would be polited by shiite hezbollah, how does that make any sense? >> that really depends on whether or not you think the notion of safe zones that donald trump is talking about are going to be implemented by the united states with the backing of arab countries or as malcolm was saying or they are going to yield this to the syrian government and the russian air force, so at this point i think that's not yet clear, what he means by creating the safe zone. make no mistake about it. if they are going to try to implement safe zones, a notion
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advocated for people like hillary clinton when she was running, there's going to be a robust u.s. military response, nato response to protect that from the russian and syrian air force. if that's what he means. i don't think we've seen a clear policy proposal by president trump as to what he means by safe zones. safe zones from who because if he's referring to the syrian regime and russia as u.s. friends, particularly the russians and they want to work with them, the russians and the sierras do not make that distinction. they see all of the rebels in syria as terrorists. anyone working against the government in damascus is a terrorist and, therefore, they are working to oust them and the president of syria has been clear. he won't stop his military campaign until all the areas are back under his control, areas controlled by the opposition rebels and areas controlled by kurds. all of these are separatist enclaves won the territory of syria that he'll fight to reclaim and it's not clear what trump is saying, safe zones from who exactly.
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>> malcolm into, that the idea that the united states would have to have on-the-ground participation in that, does that you as a form er military professional, does that is make sense now. >> you know who is going choke on that strategy the most, the soldiers and sailors of the special operations and the central intelligence officers who have spent nearly the last decade trying to arm and equip and prepare these rebels to protect their people away from the assad government. knowing donald trump, based on what he said, we don't know what his strategy s.i don't think he knows what the strategy, is but knowing what he thinks about putin and russia and his strategy from the beginning of let's just give syria to russia to resolve, these safe zones are going to be done exactly like putin did it in chechnya. mass murder, all resistance,
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destroy their infrastructure, create refugee settlements which will be patrolled and protected by the national government, syrian army and hezbollah and call them safe zones. we're not talking about an air corridor or air exclusion zone where we'll protect the refugees like in the historical context of humanitarian action. i think he's talking about the assad government doing it, and i don't think he cares one way or the other whether these resistance groups that we have been supporting, as democratic groups, fighting against, you know, the 30% alawite and syria and other majorities to dominate that 60% of the country. i doubt very strongly that you're going to get anything other than a low grade insurgency for a very long time funded by the same gulf state that he's claiming is going to actually create, you know, pay for the humanitarian aid that's
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going in. >> yeah. and due to my going on and on about this we didn't get to the other whole part, want to talk about the new ambassador to israel. that's a whole other separate conversation we need to have. thank you very much. up next, you're a mean one, mr. gingrich. stay with us. i have asthma...
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all you've done is won a ticket to the dance. now we have to dance. we have to dance for eight solid years so well that the country in 2024 elects another republican, establishing firmly that we have replaced the fdr model and that we now are in a very different government. >> the goal to permanently undo fdr's legacy to essentially repeal the 20th century and its advances for working people, from unions, to the 40-hour workweek and child labor laws and food stamps for the poor and for family farmers, to social security, is one that conservatives have fought since the new dealinesception and it gives us a glimpse into what the next four years will look like. roosevelt signed the social security act in 1935 when more than half of the 7.8 million elderly americans at that time did not have enough money to support themselves in retime. the landmark legislation laid the foundation for health care and social reforms stretching into the 1960s with lyndon johnson. think medicare, voting rights
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and more that redefined the role of government in americans' lives. it's that leg stay gingrich essentially bragged about dismantling starting in five weeks when donald trump takes the oath of office. up next, the trump/ryan bromance and how it might spell doom for the social safety net starting with medicare. more "a.m. joy" after the break. i was wondering if an electric toothbrush really cleans...
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speaker paul ryan, i've really come -- oh, no. i've come to appreciate him, speaker paul ryan. where is he? he has been, i'll tell you, he has been terrific, and, you know, honestly, he's like a fine wine. conserve day goes by i get to appreciate his genius more and more. >> so many christmas trees. the on again, off again
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relationship between donald trump and white house speaker paul ryan is currently back on, for now. speaker ryan was one of the most prominent republicans to get on board with the trump train but the future of medicare looms heavy over their you a lines. if speaker ryan had it his head the popular health insurance program as we know would crease to exist replaced instead with keepons. trump repeatedly promised on the campaign trail to protect medicare and other safety net programs and has since stacked his cabinet with privatizers aimed at slashing them. joining me is joan walsh of the naton and cadon dawson and michelle bernard and e.j. deion, of "why the right went wrong," conservatism from goldwater to trump and beyond. "e.j., i'll start with you first because it seems the prime directive of democrats is to protect the new deal, protect dfr and lbj's legacy. donald trump tried to co-opt that during the campaign and say he would be the great protector of medicare and social security. let's listen to donald trump
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during the campaign. >> every republican wants to do a big number on a stoeshl security. they want to do it on medicare and medicaid, and we can't do that. >> abolishing medicare, i don't think you're going to get away with that one and it's actually a program that's worked and a program that some people love actual. >> i save medicare, medicaid and social security without cuts v.to do it. get rid of the fraud and the waste and abuse and save it. people have been paying in for years and now many of these candidates want to cut it. you save it by making the united states, by making us rich again and by taking back all of the money that's being lost. i'm not going to cut social security like every other republican and i'm not going to cut medicare or medicaid. every other republican is going to cut and even if they wouldn't they don't know what to do because they don't know where the money is, i do.
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>> and rustbelt democrats and republicans voted for him in the primaries thinking he's the gay that won't do a number on medicare and social security and now donald trump has appointed tom price to be his health and human services secretary. price is a proponent of a plan backed by paul ryan to turn medicare into, quote, premium support which is essentially couponses instead of your guaranteed medicare, you get vouchers. he's also tapped mick mulvaney as director of office, management and budget and he wants to both change medicare and privatize social security. what do you make of this shift? >> well, first of all, with donald trump, his words mean whatever he decides they mean later on and so it's very pop he'll find some way to completely deny that he meant what the plain meaning of those words seems to imply. i thought your lead-in piece was excellent because it was newt gingrich conceding that we are still a country very much shaped by the new deal and it's very clear i think from their views
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on these issues that many of trump's white blue collar supporters do not want to abolish medicaid, do not want to turn it into a voucher program and do not want to disrupt other programs like social security. paul ryan clearly does want to do that, and if trump sort of concedes to the republican congress their wishes on this, he's going to break faith with a very large percentage of the voters who voted for him. this is obviously going to create an opening for the democrats, and i think he'll just try to redefine is, well, we won't disrupt medicare for anybody 55 and over and that's not what he said before the election so this relationship could get very complicated for mr. trump. >> there was a sense that donald trump was coming in almost as a liberal republican in that he was not going to go after things like medicare and social security and now he has seemed to shift. paul ryan is like a fine wine.
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everyone knows what paul ryan wants to do. he wants to privatize medicare and social security. can donald trump get away with completely changing his mind on going after the social safety net and survive even -- and have his party survive even the mid terms? >> who knows. donald trump seems to be able to survive anything he says or does and you know the old political axiom that politicians say they have no permanent friends or no permanent enemies. there are so many different areas where donald trump and paul ryan agree as disagree and i think we're going see a lot of, you know, picking here, you know, what donald trump is going to give into hand what he won't and the same with paul ryan. i don't know where donald trump is going to go with social security and medicare and i do know if we take a look at where their differences are, i think that's where we'll see areas of compromise so, for example,
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donald trump at one time advocated for a ban on mussily entry into the country and palm ryan absolutely disagrees with that. paul rain said he believes undocumented workers in the united states have to be given a chance to get right with the law. donald trump disagrees with that. you know, paul ryan has been a big proponent of joking for the institution of democracies across the country, across the world. he's called nato an indispensable ally and donald trump not so much, so i think that what we'll see is where there are differences the two of them will come together and they will decide what they are going to advocate together and what they will disagree on or not move forward and donald trump does not end up in a position that quite frankly barack obama ended up in where you have a republican congress that says no to everything that he wants, so they will have to give and take on both. >> and i think that's one of the consequences of having a unified government is that in a lot of
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ways paul ripe is much more likely to get everything he wants. i'll play a montage of what he wants and the way ryan has framed his desire to privatize medicare in particular. take a listen. >> give younger people when they become medicare eligible guaranteed coverage optionles that you can't be denied, including traditional medicare. choose your plan and then medicare subsidizes your premiums. i think what's happening is you're getting the latest wave of democratic talking points which is typically what they do every other tuesday. i have not discussed medicare with president-elect trump p.mind you that obamacare itself does a lot of damage in our opinion to medicare. >> because of obamacare medicare is going broke, medicare will have price controls because of obamacare. med case is in fiscal straits so you have to deal with those issues for you're going to repeal and replace obamacare. >> none of that is true. the whole last soliloquy.
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medicare is not going broke. obamacare did not destroy medicare and medicaid and this is the way paul ryan has since he was running as vice president has tried to erode the public's confidence in these programs. is that a successful strategy. you've written a lot about the white working class towns. they like medicare. can paul ryan convince trump voters it's a good idea to turn it into voucher care. i don't know that you can convince them in the end but he can convince donald trump. he's going to come out and will have the biggest and most fabulous new medicare, so big, you'll be sick of winning, winning so much with this medicare and he's going -- the republicans don't say we want to voucherize it. they don't say the things that we say but that's the upshot. but they have a kind of convincing to some people in a way of describing it as the only way to save the programs. if you have someone like donald trump out on the stump, because
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apparently he's going to stay out on the stump. >> forever. >> privatizing social security and privatizing medicare, whatever they are going to do to medicaid as fixing it, making it big, better, bolder, i don't know. he can get away with a lot. >> the third rail for republicans since the new deal. very popular, particularly with white working class voters who benefited the most from those programs. is it no longer a third rail to talk about privatizing medicare and social security. >> when you touch both those two you better have a strong alliance with you and the base of your party better be with you and a lot of confidence in yourself and administration. donald trump said these things. i think once he takes the oath of office things will change some. i think he's been very tactfully to include the speaker and majority leader mccomb. >> mcconnell's wife is getting a job. >> absolutely, so i'm not uneasy with the pings as a conservative. i applaud him. our congressman mull veiny is
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going in and our governor nikki haley is at the u.n. so we're cautiously optimistic about the policies. what we do know to paul ryan's credits he understands he's got 60 people that will vote against anything that increases the deficit, and that's where donald trump is going to start dealing with paul ryan. when you start increasing the deficit, that's when your coalition is going to start falling apart because that's where the apartment came from originally. that's where the conservatives came from. >> we'll see. we'll see. >> joy, can i add a point about social security. >> we're out of time. >> just a quick point about social security. i'm not advocating one point or another here but i want to just remind our viewing audience ron walters now decease the very prominent african-american political scientist years ago said in that you canning about social security as the holy grail, re-mile-per-houred african-americans his belief that social security is reverse
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reparati reparations, put so much in it and we don't get and maybe tink werg social security will be good for our community. >> i don't think that's true, but i do want joan walls, to channel donald trump more often. she did it a great job there. >> okay. we're out of time. rob reiner joins me live and trump's good buddy is clutching his alex jones pearls over on facebook. more "a.m. joy" next.
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usual. >> it's been a tough weekend for our old pal jack. the donald trump fan behind #starwars, his effort failed miserably. last week we told you how he was trying to lead an army of americans away interest seeing "star wars" rogue one which was made before anyone thought could be -- thought it could be possible for donald trump to become problem. "rogue one" has raked in over $11 million in it first two days and is expected to hit $150 million by the end of the weekend. jack, a word of advice, before you pick your next imperial bat ill give you the sage advice of jedi master yoda. >> you must unlearn what you
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have learned. >> all right. i'll give it a try. >> no, try not. do or do not. there is no try. >> back with me basel schmeichel and joining me is dean obeidallah and also yoda, yoda is also with me back. i can i said that right. he tried to destroy "star wars." it didn't work. why do you suppose this effort to boycott a mega franchise didn't work? >> it's obvious. >> and i'm a muslim with a light saber. >> i'm afraid. >> steve ban norngs i'm calling you out. let's do this. my nickname growing up was obi-wan kenobi. >> first of all, i saw the movie. i understand why the villain loses and trump is a villain.
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all he's missing is a black cape or white cap, and there was nothing in there at all hinting to donald trump. i saw a great film. i don't think they like the fact that the rebels are humanized. there's a blind guy, a disabled guy. >> the black storm trooper who turns on the storm troopers. >> have all these groups, from their point of view maybe the rebellion is all the different groups in america all coming together fighting the empire and they somehow align themselves with darth vader and that's really a part of what's going on. >> it was really telling, right, that they are mad because as dean said that the good guys are the multi-cultural sort of people and the bad guy is the empire and they somehow miss that the storm troopers represent nazis and now they are offended and saying don't call us nazis and i don't get it. >> i've said throughout the entire campaign donald trump's language was very authoritarian
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and the truth is that's how he responded. listen, in these last few movies there's been an incredible amount of diversity in both the first one that came out last year and in this one, two strong women who have had these leading roles. i don't know why donald trump and some folks don't like that. bring it on. >> "the force awakens" is the only "star wars" movie that's opened bigger than the current one which shows adding a more multi-cultural face and more multi-gender face didn't hurt "star wars" at all. >> basically comes down to the store to and the new movie is a great one will go up in the top three or four and let's be honest, the thing trump wants to boycott or "vanity fair" they shoot up. want to boycott something, boycott my show and "a.m. joy" and boycott movies with scott baio or billy baldwin in there. >> by then he won't have anyone at his inaugural, you understand that. >> "star wars," they are
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aspirational movies. you want to be luke squawkskywa. >> there's a movie where donald glover is going to be a young character. maybe donald trump doesn't like that. doesn't like aspirational. >> we all want light sabers. >> this is best thing coming up. >> after we fight with our light seibers, michael and dean will be back in the next hour and coming up we'll talk about the dangers of fake news and the even greater danger of lazy news. more "a.m. joy "using the force after the break. fast and portable but also light. you don't do this 14 hours a day, 7 days a week for... ...decades if you don't feel it in your heart.
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if fake news that's being released by some foreign government is almost identical to reports that are being issued
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through partisan news vanus, then it's not surprising that that foreign propaganda will have a greater effect and it doesn't seem that far-fetched. >> welcome back to "a.m. joy." on thursday facebook announced new tactics to combat the fake news epidemic that plagued the country this year. too often sensational non-facts were masquerading as real actual news and turned into information viruses transmitted through facebook news feed and facebook has a vaccination, fact-checkers. they will make fake news stories as disputed by fact-checkers. there will be an algorithm to demote the fake stories on your news feed and it police politifact, associated press,
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factcheck.org, snopes and the "washington post" and there is an anti-vaxxeer. alex jones known for his conspiracy theories has threatened to sue and claims facebook's new initiatives are a cia plot. >> they should label the story as fake and bury it. burying news like the communist chinese do. oh, this is the end of free internet. this is the -- the new censorship. chinese style, and i'm going sue you. i don't want to and i'm going to show a jury all their lies and show you what we really said and did and show you sensoring articles about people calling for trump's death something that snopes says isn't real and i'm going to sue snopes. the discovery would be amazing. at people like alex jones continue to peddle fictional news it's the burden of every journalist to cover the truth
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and call out lies without getting distracked by the outrageous marks and misspellings tweeted at 3:00 a.m. to an account with 17 million followers. thank you all for being hear. i want to start the roundtable and i'll come to you first on this, jill. there's a new poll. something called qualitrix and they polled over 1,000 americans and found that 52% of the republicans that they polled think that donald trump won the popular vote. even 7% of democrats mistakenly believe that and one-fourth of it. hillary clinton won 68 million and donald trump 62.9 million. whether it's tv or the "new york
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times" or "the guardian" that so many people think something that blatantly false happened. >> of course, it concerns me, joy. i've devoted my year to trying to ferret out the truth and produce quality information and news to help inform the public so that they can hold the people in mother accountable so it's a source of great concern, but, you know, even more concern i think is generated by the fact, the you know, the trust in the news media, even very high quality news organizations like the ones i've worked with, i mean, the public trust in them has eroded so much that i think the public has a very hard time deciding what's real news and what's fake news and that's something of deep concern that i think you know journalists have
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to take to heart and all you can do is really continue doing great journalism and do your work as a mechanism for fighting against all this fake news. >> and yet, john, during the work that journalists do is getting increasingly difficult. a recent graphic came out and talked about facebook ingaejment. 8.7 million people engaged with stories deemed to be fake news and right now proper news is losing the fight with fake news for the eyeballs of the readers and conservative outlets and people like brent bowsel who has had a media group who challenged mark zuckerberg essentially conceding the fact that a lot of things put out on the right aren't real and he wants them to be prominent in their feeds and is concerned that politifact will far their opinion. do we even have the opportunity to affect people who want that at the top of their news feeds? >> the bigger and more
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frightening aspect is not so much fake news because a lot of those stories are just so blatant and can get knocked down fairly crazy, it's the seemingly plausible news which we've been subjected to for 30 years now. there are networks that traffic in it and radio shows that specialize in it and that creates this resting pulse rate of skepticism, cynicism, the lack of belief in mainstream news and comes about not so much because of the actions of mainstream news organizations because that's what the message is coming to millions and millions of people who want to hear it. >> by the way, it's coming in large part in this case donald trump, dean, because he's essentially tell you no matter what you ear, don't believe it. now the cia and nbc who helped him win saying russia did intervene in the election and is still insisting it's not true
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and -- he says i don't believe this. i don't bleach they interfered and asked if he thought the conclusion of the cia was politically driven? >> that's why you see on twitter people misled by donald trump. they don't believe in the russian hockey and have no trouble thinking that hillary ran a child sex ring out of a pizzer pizzeria. we have to make college education as affordable as possible, i think as myself as a former trial law, critical thinking is important. you question the sources, anyone on the left or right. send you someone double check it, and don't leave it because a blog sent it to you and there's too many people who say it was re-tweeted 800 times, got to be true, and that's how it's getting credibility and it's shared, not because it's right and it's misleading people and that's the making of a dictatorship when you say don't
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believe the media and my facts are my own and my political agenda. >> and he's also made believing or not believing in the media an ideological test. even asking questions of him or his surrogates is in and of itself biased means you should discount everybody that does it. i didn't want to do interviews, they would cut your sentence off, make a beautiful statement and all of a sudden you would say i didn't talk about that. when they leave part of the paragraph off and it's not so good and assayed if you want to quote me, quote me from the speeches. >> that's a shape of things to come. donald trump believes he can be unfiltered to his supporters just by giving speeches which cable news and you and i are veteran of cablies in will cover
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unedited. obviously the game of ken tis. when you're going up against someone like donald trump europe racketer can can be moving forward. we need to stop being reactive. "60 minutes," bill o'reilly come until with their story that they are going do no matter what anybody is buggs about or talking about, no matter what they are trending they are telling you what they feel is important and more that have will go a long way towards curing at least the defensive posture that news organizations may feel right now. >> and speak being of defensive posture, i want to say that this really hit home and what he have said has had a fundamental concern. >> i'm finding is a little dewer
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juice in a someone found is surprised that it looked like this was disadvantaging hillary clinton because you guys wrote about it every day. every single leak. about every little juicy tidbit of political gossip, including john modesta's risotto recipe. this was an obsession that dominated the news coverage. >> jill, this gets to not the issue of fake news but issue of narrative, and political reporters are very sensitive about this, but the fact is that we knew that the wikileaks were coming through russian intelligence. we knew that it was stolen information, the same as sort of watergate. it was a break-in to the dny and yet from the "new york times" to "the washington post" and here in cable news it was just every day. every wikileak was a headline and every nuanced neighboring scandal that had anything to do with hillary clinton's e-mails what is top of the fold every
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day. the media participated in this. why is it that journalists are so loathe to take smoenlt for that? >> well, i want to point out the "new york times" very admirably did take some responsibility for it in a recent very long front page investigation of russian hacking. all the tidbits from john modesta's e-mails and the rest of the wikileaks cackhe they had given a meg known to the just i morsels and because they are about controversy about what someone said that was derogatory about, you know, hillary clinton or little spats within, you know, her campaign and that
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catniped to cable news which itself beginning in the primaries gave donald trump a megaphone to control the message and he's the master of fake news in my opinion, but jonathan is right. the media in general can be too reactive. it can, you know, react in feeding frenzies where everybody else is picking up on some silly little tidbit and before you know it, it's been blown up into the big story of the day when digging into the sources of foreign influence in real team isn't happening. i mean, it's great that the media right now. it's like digging into all of these neighboring news sources that have linked to russia. what good does it do half the
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election? hindsight is always 20/20. it's very frustrating. >> cable news, every sort of, you know, kathy thing that was said at the dnc was somehow conflated with hillary's e-mails. talk radio has that same virus. >> isn't it up to the candidates to change the narrative and not changing the narrative from her point of view. maybe the media was too strong and other democrats have stepped ford and the media can't be the ones driving the narrative. i think it's news-makers driest narrative. i don't know how we can driest narrative. >> i think trump did -- did mainstream media a big favor by showing that you can and should blow up the formula. how about a rustbelt bureau. how about we track the progress of all the new initiatives that the new administration is going to impose and so how they do. how about crowd sortsing the news. you don't have to be bound by
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the people inside 30 rock or elsewhere. you can get out there in the country now with individuals. there's a lot of ways to attack this. >> or to jill's point, how don't we spent time digging into the future and that's just my little editorial. thank you all. up next, rob reiner weighs in hon media complacency and the electors. don't go away. tically. ♪ i tried hard to quit smoking. ♪ but when we brought our daughter home that was it. ♪ now i have nicoderm cq. the nicoderm cq patch with unique extended release technology helps prevent your urge to smoke all day. it's the best thing that ever happened to me. can you say thanks nicoderm cq?
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history. >> hollywood is no fan of donald trump, and they are now putting pressure on electoral college not to vote for him. my next guest tweeted this week, quote, we can't let point and d.t. hijack our democracy. if there was collusion, citizens and electors need to know. intel must be declassified, #truth and joining me now is director and activist rob reiner. always great to talk to you. >> thanks for having me, joy. >> before i get to the electors i definitely want to get your opinion on that and the effort to try to get them to change their minds, tomorrow it is now. i want to get your reaction to the conversation we were just having because the media has been, you know, a bit defensive about this topic of how we covered this campaign. what do you make of the sort of fake news versus the choices by mainstream madia during the elections. >> it's obviously making an informed decision when you go to the polls but i put more of the blame on real news, suppose the
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real news because the -- there was as false equivalency created and in a large part donald trump had a lot to do with being able to bull over the media. think about for a second. the last time we heard from donald trump in a presidential, you know, sort of press setting was the time he asked bill clinton to be hacked by the russians. haven't heard from him since and haven't had interaction with him since. he's trying to control the narrative and he's done an amaze amazing job so the mainstream media has to focus on what's important and what's important right now is we cannot lose sight of this. this is the most important thing that's happened in this country way beyond watergate and iran-contra. we have a foreign -- a hostile foreign power that has invaded
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our country. it may not look like -- the reach of it may not seem as dramatic as -- as it is could be because a building didn't get blown up and there were no bombs dropping and make no mistake about it. we were insaided and we need to know whether or not and we've now heard from all of the intelligence agencies, the cia, fbi, director of national intel tense, that it was the russians who did the invading and that their intention was to election donald trump. . >> was donald trump colluding with the russian agencies. we don't know this, and if i were an elector and i were going to the polls tomorrow i would want to know if the next president of the united states colluded with a foreign hostile
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power to affect our democracy and our sovereignty. that's the most important thing. this is enormous and the fact that people aren't screaming about this, you know, with, you know, our elected. i had a conversation with some very high up people in -- in the republican party and they said if donald trump had won an electi election, a popular vote by almost 3 million votes and there was an a russian intrusion into the election process they would have elected officials blanketing the airwaves and have surrogates out there screaming their heads off and we're -- we just sit there and ho-hum. meanwhile, we have had an attack. we've been invaded by a foreign power and i don't see us doing anything about it and i've got to say, joy, you're virtually the only person on television
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that's even talking about it in these terms. >> you know, it's pretty remarkable. to the point that you just made, the electors, ten of them asked for an intelligence briefing before they vote tomorrow but they are not going to get it which is kind of shocking given what you just said. does it surprise you more, you talked to some republicans, which surprises you more, the fact that you do have so many americans who grew up like i grew up, you know rk, doing the desk drill and. why the of the soviet union, being the evil empire and reagan, et cetera, that americans are now so blase about a russian intrusion into our democracy. does that surprise you more, or is it the -- the republicans that are now apologists for putin or the democrats who are not screaming bloody murder over it? >> well, you've got both on both sides. i'm seeing -- i'm only seeing lindsey graham and john mccain and marco rubio forcefully saying we need to have an investigation.
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if we -- if there's something dramatic that happened. ful russians had dropped a bomb on us or something, everybody would be running around, you know, oh, my god, we've got to do something, but something really serious happened, if vladimir putin, if he's figured out a way to invade our country and take it over in some manner by putting up a puppet president in or whatever or however you want to look at it. that's big. that's an enormous thing and we have to focus there. has to be an investigation into this, and if it's turned out that there was collusion between the trump campaign and putin and a lot of circumstantial evidence that there was, you've got manafort and carter paige, roger stone, all of these people connected with the russians and all these people in the cabinet with connections to the russians, michael flynn and rex
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tillerson. there has to be some kind of an investigation unless we as americans want to say, okay, we're now allies with the russians. we're allies with a guy who kills journalists. i mean, i don't understand this. >> and what happened to us as a culture, kleptocracy and all the things you here american scholars talk about the blend with trump's business and americans quite blase, is it because of the entertainment value of trump still overtaking people. a quite weird tweet that donald trump said where china steals united states navy research drone in international waters and rips it out of water and didn't still unprecedented right. he spelled unpriss dented as unpresidented and the next thing he tweeted we shouldn't even ask for it back. we shouldn't even ask for our drone back from china. does it disturb you that americans aren't more disturbed
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by the things that donald trump doesn't know and that he statehouse? >> well, yes, that's number one, and the fact that he is disavowing the fact there's confusion amongst the intelligence community whether or not it was russia. this is a president who is going to be a president of the united states, and if he's disavowing his intelligence community that in and the of itself is treason. i mean, the big story is not unpresidented or however he spelled it, the big story is how did he know about the chinese grabbing that drone. how did he know that? did it come from a presidential daily brief, something that was supposed to be classified? we don't know that. is he spewing something that came out of a classified briefing. we don't know that. he has decided to o'on the this entire process. he's going to -- you just got the new thing with sinclair news
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where he's going to try to own his own media outlet and talking about not doing presidential daily briefs, i mean having press briefings every day or not having press conferenced. how are we as a media and as citizens going to hold this guy accountable, and if we're not going to have investigations into a foreign invasion, twhaen are we doing? just throw our hands up and say, okay, russia, you can take over our country. i don't understand this. >> one of the things we're going to do is keep talking to you and to people like you who are really still hair on fire about this because it's really bizarre. always appreciate talking with you. hopefully we can do much more, because it's going to be an odd year, four years. >> thank you. donald trump takes time out of his pep rallies to attack the first lady. stay with us. when you have a cold, you just want powerful relief.
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when i started 18 months ago i told my first crowd in wisconsin that we're going to come back here some day. we are going to say merry christmas again. merry christmas. so merry christmas. >> this whole bring back merry christmas line isn't a throwaway for trump. it's a standard part of hits stump speech even back in july because in donald trump's world the last eight dooebs decembers have been joyless secular affairs under the anti-yuletide regime of president obama and meanwhile in the real world let's go to the tape. >> merry christmas, everybody. have a wonderful holiday season. god bless you all. thank you everybody. >> merry christmas, everybody. >> merry christmas! >> everybody, mist mat. >> merry christmas, everybody. >> i want to wish you all a
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merry christmas. >> merry christmas, everybody. ♪ walking in a winter wonderland ♪ >> merry christmas to you. >> merry christmas, happy holidays. merry christmas, everybody. >> i want to wish everyone a merry christmas. >> merry christmas, everybody. >> merry christmas! >> i wish a merry christmas to all and to all a good night. ♪ >> i want to wish everybody a merry christmas. >> merry christmas, everybody. >> merry christmas, everybody. >> merry christmas. >> three, two, one. merry christmas, everybody. >> a very merry christmas and a happy new year. >> look at all that christmas. up next, conservatives are taking their last swipes at michelle obama. more "a.m. joy" after the break.
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michelle obama said yesterday that there's no hope. but i assume she was talking about the past, not the future. i'm telling you. we have tremendous hope, and we have tremendous promise and tremendous potential. >> yes, on saturday a trump crowd in mobile, alabama booed michelle obama after trump referenced the first lady's remark in an oprah interview, remarks trump said he thought must have come out differently than she intended. let's take a listen. >> your husband's administration, everything, the election, was all about home. do you think that this administration achieved that? >> yes, i do, because we feel the difference now. >> yeah. see now we're feeling what not
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having hope feels like, you know. hope is necessary. i mean, he and i and so many believe that -- what else do you have you don't have hope? >> that portion of the first lady's special farewell interview with oprah caused a little media freakout at some outlet's after it aired on cbs friday morning but here's a context toural reminder in a recent poll 58% of registered voters said donald trump would divide groups of americans as president. joining us now jones wa-- let m play this special called grown up in the white house. let me pay a piece of the interview on monday about home. take a listen. >> having a grown-up in the white house who can say to you in times of crisis and turmoil, hey, it's going to be okay.
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remember the good things that we have, let look at the future, and let's look at all of the things we're building. all of this is important for our kids to stay focused and to feel like their work isn't in vain, that their lives aren't in vain. what do we do if we don't have hope, oprah? >> michelle just talking to people -- and i'm talking to republicans i know as well as democrats after the election, there was this sort of dearth of hope where people are feeling afraid, terrified by what's coming. the poll shows that by 70% to 30% people don't even think that donald trump is a moral leader. people really do feel a vacuum of hope. was it so wrong for the played it toe voice that? >> no, you know, i wish we had seen a little bit more. my beliefs as an african-american works i believe that what michelle obama was trying to say just in that small portion of the clip is that
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there are many americans who have lost hope since the election because we feel a loss of civil rights, voting rights, women's rights, human rights, rights for the lbgt community, but on the other hand there is a part of me that understands what donald trump meant when he said that possibly michelle obama was talking about the past because if we look at the electoral map and the way americans voted, men, women, blacks, whites, lalt knows and asians, we saw that a lot of the same people that voted for barack obama and on his -- on his whole, you know, notion of hope and change, voted for donald trump, and i don't think it was rejecting barack obama, i think that we saw nationwide people have given up hope on our system of government, so people i believe felt that if anyone could change, for example, our immigration policy or the ability to -- to get people out
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of poverty or to better our education system, if anyone could do that, it was barack obama and our system is so broken, not his presidency, our system of government was so broken that i think a lot of americans have given up on our system of government and they didn't want to elect anyone who had anything to do with politics in the past, so i -- i have a nuanced view on it and i can see both sides of the argument >> joan, i want to come to you because on the right there was a sense when barack obama was elected, that white america felt like the country was slipping away and their sort of loss had to do with the person of barack obama and the coalition and the leftward drift of the culture and things like that. one of the people backing on that drumt most is rush limbaugh. his retort to the first lady on his show on friday. take a listen. >> if you've lost hope, for the first time in eight years, mrs. obama, we have some damn
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hope. for the first time, i'm sorry, folks, i'm at my wits end with these people. sorry. you might not have any hope, but a whole slew of us are damned excited and filled with hope and optimism and unbridled we can't wait to get startism. >> get started on what? >> get start taking our country back and get start dismanling the new deal and get started making the white house white again. i'm sorry, but seriously. i mean, on the one hand i've got to agree with rush limbaugh. there are two countries right now. >> yeah. >> and there is not half the country, he didn't win half but 40% of the country solidly has a lot of hope now and their hope has to do with things they believe he can do and the hope has to do with a feeling of our culture now is prevailing. it's not all racism. it's not even mostly ramps, but it is a sense that we -- that we're getting it back from these
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people but ate tax on moab marks i'm sorry, i'm not here for it. i mean, these people have demonized her for eight going on nine years. they have made her out to be the angry black lady. she has become though over time our voice, the voice of democratic women of all ragsz who are desparing. the things that she said during the campaign about donald trump's remarks and how shaken she was without ever mentioning his fame. that was balm to a lot of our souls that she was speaking what she felt and she's doing it again. have to figure out how hope is going back but a lot of us going into the new year without a lot of side. >> let's talk about the 40% that think this is great and that this is the best thing that's ever happened. you come from one of the states who wanted to take our country back from the multi-cultural elites. what is it -- what is giving
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them hope? what do they want? >> i'm not sure it was the multi-cultural elites. i think what i've seen in campaigns and elections is that people -- it wasn't just a country back. people felt like they were left behind, they felt like they didn't enjoy the prosperity that was bought by the administration. they felt like their children had moved back home and can't get out of their house. i saw a desperation, and i saw some patriotic movement of we want a country that represents more than just washington, and one of the panelists said earlier. there's a dispain f paipai paipr politicians, the most i've ever seen and donald trump quintessentially was not washington. hillary clinton, michelle obama and president obama were washington, and there were now have voters to say, you know what, i'll take the risk. i'll take the advance. hope hand change didn't come my way. i've had to may more for health
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insurance and i don't get to pick my doctor and they are look for it. are they uneasy in the numbers show you a little uneasy and now president-elect trump will have to perform and he'll have to satisfy those fears. >> and make sense of these sets of data for me, e.j. deion. you still have president with a high approval rating and donald trump with 61% saying he's not qualified, after he won, not qualified to be president and his numbers under water on character to ethics and a campaign in which hillary clinton almost exclusively used her advertising to highlight vulgar and horrible things he says but at the same time donald trump is the person who is going to become president. united states. how does any of that make sense other than joan's theory that we're just two different countries? >> it makes sense because hillary clinton beat him by 2.8 million votes. it makes sense because on election day itself 60% of the
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people who voted said they had an unfavorable view of him, but 9% of those -- by 15% of those people vote for him anyway because -- i don't agree with cadon on obamacare, the country has a lot to do for people who have been hammered by the economy, so he doesn't have a majority with him but just on this hope business, you and i wrote about this recently that, you know, barack obama believes devoutly that our best days lie ahead of us, and that's the essence of hope that we are hoping that things can get better. donald trump's constituency honestly believes that our best days are behind us and that we need to restore ourselves to some earlier time. that's a sincere belief. that's what he represents. that's what rush limbaugh represents and in that sense joan is right. we are divided. where our best days lie.
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>> president obama who was the sort of quintessential hope politician, i think donald trump was the quintessential anger politician, we'll see what that looks like hover the next four years. thank you very much. joan walls, and cadon and michelle -- cadon, michelle and e.j. are coming up. coming up at noon, a notorious famous hacker on the dnc hack and the russian role. [burke] at farmers, we've seen almost everything,
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what they think will be the next big headline for the next year. what do you think will be the big headline next year? >> donald trump's presidency will unleash a movement, an activist movement on the progressive side that's going to rival the tea party. young people, it's the most heartening thing i have seen since the election, are really engaged in trying to protect the rights of minority, protect minorities, protect obamacare and wall street reform and hold trump accountable to the promises to working class americans. does he keep them? i think if i can use the phrase, this election was a fire bell in the night and they are answering it. >> you know, i cringe. one of the thoughts that keeps me up at night is what happens when first major police shooting happens and another black lives matters protest erupts and there's no civil rights division
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of the justice department. steve bannon, who is a white nationalist is whispering in the president's ear, that trererrif me. >> it terrifies me, too. i think they are prepared. i think that this is going to have to be a very broad movement that unites all of us to say, civil rights are not an issue that just involves young african-americans. it engaged all of us. because as a country, we do not want to go back on this question. we want to move forward. >> absolutely. what do you think will be the big headline? >> i think coming in 2017 and could possibly be bigger than the people versus o.j. or the clarence thomas anita hill hearing will be the appointment of the ninth justice to the united states supreme court and an uptick in the fredericks versus teachers association case. we will look at public labor unions being put on trial with the big question being, can
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government employees who opt out of being a member of a public -- of a teachers union or any other union be forced to pay dues? >> i think the scott walker strategy in wisconsin, the michigan strategy of eviscera eviscerating unions, that's a top shelf priority of the new administration, if you are coming after the new deal, coming after unions is job one. unions are in for a very, very serious fight. i think it's -- other than drilling in yellowstone and going after the environment, i don't know what to put on the top. unions need to look sharp. >> you know, i know the domestic agenda is there and obamacare. i think overall we watched it in the bush administration, its international terrorism. trump has 44 properties overseas. the trump band, i think they become a terrorist target. i think when the terrorists hit one, that it will change the conversation how the president
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reacts. i understand that it's a huge organization. probably the richest man to take the white house. i have someboympathy to the organization of trying to protect his properties. once one is there economically and financially there will be damage done to his family, to his business. you are asking what i think is going to be the major headline. i think that will be the first that will cover up the domestic agenda. we will see where the popularity lays after that. >> what happens -- we didn't get a chance to -- you have the appointment of donald trump's former bankruptcy lawyer to be our ambassador to israel. we have isis strengthened. you start to fill isis with people who are looking at the palestinian cause anew. if that triggering an attack on a trump property in retaliation, in whatever country you want to name, what happens to the trump base? some of whom said, he is the
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peace candidate. he will keep us out of a war. >> this is a serious issue and serious times. he has promised to move the embassy. i think he will. he has promised it. there's a coalition here in new york that wants it done. >> kushner is part of it. >> absolutely. i didn't want to be a naysayer. but that's a headliner that overwhelms everybody else's. i hope and pray it doesn't happen. >> i think we were having trouble with michelle's mike. i want to go to you, e.j. you do have the potential any trump property around the world is a terrorist target. >> i think that's a huge problem for him, for the country. and it is, by the way, one reason why it's not partisan to say that trump really needs to disentangle himself from his company in ways that go beyond what it appears like he is going to do. because we don't want him making a decision based on his properties. we want him to make a decision based on the country's
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interests. >> the recklessness with which he speaks on twitter, if that continues after november -- after january 20th, god help us. great seeing you, even those were dire headlines. that's our show for today. thanks for watching. up next, a closer look at what the electoral college could do tomorrow and the campaign to get them to change their vote. historic. more news at the top of the hour. beyond is a natural pet food
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