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why now? and snowden reacting already online. then town hall backlash. republican lawmakers facing angry and very vocal constituents in a wide range of issues as they go face-to-face for meetings, more slated today. is this the left's tea party? plus, bunker mentality. what's old is new again. a modern-day phenomenon that's grown exponentially since the election of president trump. why underground shelters are soaring. new reaction from president trump on the travel ban case. within the last hour he sent out a tweet citing a "washington times" report. president trump says, "our legal system is broken. 77% of refugees allowed into the u.s. since travel m hell from seven suspect countries. so dangerous." while traveling to his florida home yesterday, he told reporters there are several options his administration is considering and he's vowing to go on winning in court. >> we have very, very strong vetting. i call it extreme vetting, and
we're going to have very strong security in our country. we are going to have people come into our country that want to be here for good reasons. also new today, an nbc news exclusive about russia and the possible future of edward snowden. two senior government officials tell nbc news that russian officials are discussing the idea of turning the fugitive contractor over the u.s. doing so as part of an effort to curry favor with president trump. snowden was granted refugee in russia after exposing secrets about america's most sensitive surveillance programs. after nbc broke the story, snowden tweeted, "finally, irrefutable evidence that i never cooperated with russian intel. no country trades away spies as the rest would fear they are next." president trump is in florida at mar-a-lago for a working weekend which will include phone calls to presidents of tunisia.
this before a conversation with justin trudeau on monday. trudeau has been one of the most foreign critics of the executive order on travel. kelly o'donnell sl is in west palm beach. explain what the president is doing today and the ongoing socializing with japan's prime minister. >> reporter: today the president is taking a page out of the business executive's playbook where you use a round of golf to seal a deal. today it is an important international relationship for the u.s. with the president hosting the prime minister of japan, shinzo abe, at one of his florida golf resorts. it will be a day of social and political interaction. trump-style diplomacy. another first. a world leader, japan's prime minister, and mrs. abe, hosted by the president and first lady melania trump. an official white house dinner but held on the patio at the
president's mar-a-lago club in palm beach. a weekend of hospitality that included a trip op air force one. >> hello, everybody. >> hi. >> reporter: during that flight, the trumps stopped to talk to reporters where the president said he may decide to avoid a continued federal court battle to enforce his seven-country travel ban. >> the unfortunate part is it takes time. we'll win that battle. but we also have a lot of other options including just filing a brand-new order on monday. >> reporter: shoufr, senior advisers say all options include eight peeling to the supreme court, remain open. >> the president also told reporters he was unawaref renewed controversy around his national security adviser michael flynn. >> i don't know about it. i haven't seen it. what report is that? i'll look at that. >> reporter: flynn has denied that he spoke to russia's ambassador before mr. trump took office about sanctions imposed by president obama. but now intelligence sources based on monitored calls of
russian diplomats, say that flynn did discuss sanctions. now an administration official says flynn is not certain if he discussed sanctions. a serious credibility problem after the vice president had vouched for flynn. >> they did not discuss anything having to do with the united states' decision to expel diplomats or impose a censure against russia. >> reporter: officials tell nbc news pence based his defense of flynn entirely on what flynn told him. and the president will be continuing this focus on international relationships in the week ahead with visits to the white house of canada's prime minister and later in the week the israeli prime minister. today, the first couple and their guests from japan have a full day of activity, and we will also see mrs. melania trump in her first solo activities as first lady with a garden tour and a lunch for mrs. abe.
>> kelly o'donnell reporting in west palm beach. thanks so much. now a scene playing out across multiple states, gop lawmakers facing angry constituents at town halls over the possibility of repealing obamacare without providing an alternative. tammy leitner is in new port richey, florida, just north of clearwater. describe or give us a forecast of what people are expected to see and say today. >> reporter: good morning. that's unclear, but i can tell you law enforcement is take nothing chances. there will be extra sheriff's deputies on hand today as well as a security plan in place for the congressman just in case they need to get him out of here. as you know, these town halls have been heated all week. in salt lake city about a thousand people showed up at a high school auditorium. there wasn't enough room for everybody. about 200 people were outside chanting open the doors opening
to get in. representative jason chaffetz spoke for about 75 minutes. things got extremely heated. and that wasn't the only place. in cincinnati, ohio, protesters showed up at a chamber of commerce event where senator rob portman was set to speak. he never showed up because of the protesters there. in sacramento, representative tom mcclintock answered some tough questions. back here, we're about two hours away still, and there's already people here ready to talk. i'm told that the congressman is going to speak for about five minutes but he's really here just to listen. and so people will get a chance to go up to the podium about six to seven at a time, they'll each have two minutes to make their voices heard. we'll be here for the entire thing. >> tammy leitner in port richey, florida. thank you, tammy. see you shortly. joining me right now political analyst erin mcpike and jonathan allen from roll call. great to see you both. jonathan, we look at the images
out of these up to halls, is this a concern yet to republicans? is this something they are going to take back into consideration when they return to d.c.? >> absolutely. i think it has more of an effect on the senators at the moment than it does on house members and that's simply because senators in order to win re-election they generally have to appeal to a broader part of the electorate. i think the reason you haven't seen an obamacare repeal already is a lot of these senators represent constituents who were helped by the availability of insurance under obamacare and whether that's through the exchanges or through the expansion of medicaid, and they've got constituents, some of whom, many of whom are republicans who are upset about the idea that they're going to lose something. and so that's why you ear no seeing the legislation move yet and i think this is only going to increase because political engagement in cases like this i think is a little viral. >> we've heard from certain elected leaders this week saying the repeal/replace aspect could take a decade to actually do so
effectively. but, erin, let's talk about the protesters and the issue with the planned event for rob portman in ohio pap lot of folks say this is the answer to the left having a tea party. is the gop going to act as if the left has a tea party now or are these angry gop folks worried about the implications of immigration and obamacare? >> one thing i would point out is remember the tea party started in very early 2009 after president obama took office and it was a reaction to the bank bailout. but what's interesting is that these rowdy town halls started in august of 2009 over obamacare, which didn't obviously pass until the next year, but the town halls were over obamacare, which is what is happening right now. so what i think was so interesting is these town halls are happening so early and we're not going to be seeing elections for almost two more years. so the left has a long time to
really galvanize its base. and the other thing i would point out, i've heard from a number of progressive democrats starting to hold meetings around the country and trying to recruit candidates. there was a big meeting in nashville of a bunch of young democrats in december because they are trying so hard to find good candidates to run for office. >> we just had the democratic leadership retreat that took place in baltimore, and they really only have four open slots to go for but they're being realist in the fact they don't think those are achievable seats to gain. as we look back and also look forward, because we seem to be stuck on pause with the immigration ban, jonathan, how do you see the trump administration kind of chess gaming this out on where to go? because the option could be taking it to the supreme court, but we know how that could go down based on how the supreme court is stacked right now. >> it's not clear they have a good option through the courts. i think there's a lot of push
within the white house to try to get a new executive order written, one that might do better in the courts, but then, you know, the concern there is if you do ta and you peel back and basically say the courts are right so, far the court's rulings have impinged on executive power the way that trump sort of continue sooechs it. if you do that again, you get hit in court again, you're just starting to cede more and more power, so there's a concern there. ultimately, they have to make a decision what they want to do. as it stands, i think the briefings are -- or the briefs are due back in the ninth circuit within the next couple weeks. sol they don't have to make that decision immediately. >> we all lived through a candidate trump really overpromising on the campaign tra trail. now that he is president trump, erin, does this undercut being able to deliver on that campaign promise or do you think this administration, this team at the
white house has to balance what is actually achievable and what's not? >> well, they definitely have to start balancing that, absolutely, but i would say to you that he is at least trying to do everything he promised. i think it's pretty remarkable if you're a trump supporter that he went and put this order in place right away. he's talking about this week at the press briefing and trump himself talked about designing the wall. the wall on the border for mexico. i think they're actually trying to achieve everything he set out and i think his supporters will actually reward him for that even if this executive order is completely struck down and he can't do anything more about it. he's certainly trying. >> the other issue we've been following this week is the staffers that are surrounding donald trump. kellyanne conway, jonathan, we know got her wrist slapped for that ivanka commercial. i don't want tshow it. i think that just gives it anher commercial. but, you know -- >> good point, thomas.
>> the cold of federal regulations says use of public office for private gain. we saucon con get sworn in, hold up her right hand as the rest of the folks along with reince priebus here, but is this truly where, oh, gosh, i need to ask forgiveness, not permission, or is there going to be some type of ethics course of action that's brought against her from the office of ethics? >> it sounds like she got a stern counseling, as they say. that didn't sound like a real serious issue going on in the white house about what she said. i think if there was -- i think if this was done in a vacuum it wouldn't really have been a big deal, but basically you have a president who appears to be using the office to benefit himself and his family, so when a staffer does that and there are laws and rules that prevent you from doing that or prohibit you from doing it yoenl there's going to be more attention to it. >> obviously ivanka trump highly successful, old enough to fight
her own battles. how much latitude does the public give to these type of incidents? >> i don't know that the public cares so much. i think this is a matter for congress and a matter for the press. i do think jason chaffetz will probably have to begin some kind of investigation or inquiry into it. and i think at some point the white house is going to have to go into a little more depth into how the white house can talk about the trump family business so that they know what's going on there. i think jonathan is right. when i heard sean spicer this week saying kellyanne conway was counseled on this, i took that to mean legalese and she wasn't scolded in any way because obviously the president supports his family and is happy to have anybody promote his family. >> smartest thing to do for the trump family and for president trump is to not talk about the family businesses, not tweet about it, then not have to have his team go out and play cleanup to get caught in that kind of moment that seemed obviously organic and kind of funny at the time but obviously really a big
concern to folks that are seeing this family operate thick as thieves, for lack of a better term. thank you. we've got a trump rally that most people have been witnessing on wall street and the markets setting a new record high. how much of these fortunes for american companies are now linked to president trump's policies? also, those infamous tweets. . i was energetic. then the chronic, widespread pain drained my energy. my doctor said moving more helps ease fibromyalgia pain. he also prescribed lyrica. fibromyalgia is thought to be the result of overactive nerves. lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. for some, lyrica can significantly relieve fibromyalgia pain and improve function, so i feel better. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions or suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worsening depression, or unusual changes in mood or behavior. or swelling, trouble breathing,
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>> somebody was saying to me yesterday you go to japan, china, you have fast trains all over the place. we don't have one. i don't want to compete with your business, but we don't have one fast train. and it's the sam thing with our airports. our airports used to be the best. now they're at the bottom of the ladder. >> joining me is jared bernstein, a senior fellow with the center on budget and policy priorities. great to see you. i want to look at the markets because you look at how the dow has been closing since the president has taken office. we hit these highs, even breaking the 20,000 mark, and sustaining that, fluctuation back and forth, but is this an attribute to president trump or a holdover of some of president obama's work? >> i think it's a somewhat misguided attribute to president trump in the following sense -- markets are often pretty good at putting together a lot of information. in this case, i think they
haven't been so good. the markets expect that donald trump is going to be able to deeply deregulate the financial markets, take down dodd/frank, to pass a very large tax cut in short order, and to do a deep infrastructure dive just like he was talking about to those ceos. it is not at all clear that congress is willing to move on that stuff, and you can't do those kinds of things by executive order. so i think the markets have kind of overshot with the sort of confidence that this is a business guy who's going to be great for us. that's true in a political sense in terms of policy. we're just not really seeing that much at all. these executive orders, that's not congressional action. don't confuse the two. >> so jarrett, from folks you're talking to, now you're watching this, is this sustainable or are we looking at the precipice of a bubble moment? >> you know, i don't know if it qualifies as a bubble yet, but it is precisely that kind of speculative movement that is not
really sustainable. i'd call it for of a kind of a trump bump than a trump bubble, and i think that the markets are going to at some point in the relatively near future, recognize the congressional dysfunction that hasn't really gone away and his inability to deregulate, to quily pass a big tax cut and especially to do a deep infrastructure program. >> when we look at what the president has done certainly via twitter but also at different press conferences, there's been an encouragement for companies not to take jobs overseas, talks about high levees, taxes for those that would produce products outside of the u.s. and put them in here. but what's the difference between hard line intimidation and good presidential policy? >> well, that's exactly the right way to put it, thomas. one is politics and one is policy. all we've seen so far from donald trump is politics. and he's really very, very good at politics. he's getting a lot of great pr. but you can't really address the kind of policy needs that many
of his core voters have with this nonsystemic kind of poaching one company at a time, going in front of the cameras and taking credit for stuff that would have happened anyway. for that you actually need to do a deeper diagnosis of the economic problem. why are these geographical areas of the country having so much trouble bringing jobs there? what kind of investment do they really need on a systemic basis? i've seen absolutely none of that from this administration. now, it's early days, and we can give them a chance. but one thing we're seeing is when it comes to economic policy, trump is all politics, no policy. >> now let's get to some of the issues that are happening in companies that either side with donald trump or go against him and one of the positive issues for under armour is they've had kevin plank going to the white house, having time with donald trump, and kevin plank saying he thinks donald trump is going to be good for business. this has put plank at odds with athletes that they sponsor and stars like misty copeland, the
rock, steph curry. how do you think that's going to play out for these successful companies that have these high-profile relationships that may not agree with them getting into politics? >> yeah. i think these companies are going to have to learn pretty quickly that it is not the case that having a great relationship with this president is necessarily great for business. for som companies that may be the case. for others depending on the branding it won't be. consumer activism is back and it's here to stay. this is not a new thing. civil rights movement, anti-apartheid movements have long used consumer activism, and there are many big companies, apple l, amazon, microsoft, starbucks, who look at this immigration ban as completely antithetical to what they stand for, and by the way i happen to they they're right about that. >> can companies have it both ways? under armour put out a statement saying they oppose the travel ban, they are for an inclusive and diverse society. >> that's the whole point. >> how do they find themselves
being able to be supportive of business practices but not supportive of social agenda practices of this administration? >> it depends on how deep the consumer activism movement goes. if grab your wallet, active in the nordstrom case, if they're as effective as i think they may be, it's like some of the protests you were talking about in earlier segments today. if they're as effective as i think they may end up being, it's going to be extremely hard for companies to play both sides of the road like that. >> all right. we shall see how it plays out. we know we're seeing folks speak out like the rock, misty copeland, and steph curry. thanks so much. great to see you. appreciate your time. >> my pleasure. new numbers showing a partisan flip-flop on how americans judge the current state of the country. what is it?
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overall what people think about the country. the change in outlook from republicans is stark, 55% satisfied with the way things are going in the u.s., up from 22% a month ago, 17% in november and 6% last august. as you might imagine, satisfaction for democrats has gone south, 13% currently satisfied, down from 62% in days before the election and 34% in mid-november. straight ahead in a moment, the tears of a child. what happens when immigration officials knock at the door? a family's fate could be forever changed.
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he and the japanese prime minister ship sow abe will hit the links later this morning before the president speaks by phone with the presidents of tunisia and colombia. they are at one of the trump resorts in florida. here's a map at some of the larger cities where rallies for defunding planned parenthood are expected to be held today. at least 225 rallies will be held in 45 different states. now we move to this mounting outrage in arizona after an undocumented mom of two was arrested and deported to mexico. the garcia de rayos family split between two borders. for more, gadi schwartz is in arizona. how is this family reacting to the administration? >> reporter: let me explain how border crossings work. if you're born in the united states, you have a valid passport or even a birth certificate, you can pass through the ports of entry down there very freely, go into
mexico and pass back into the united states. guadalupe garcia de rayos' children were born in the united states, so they can cross into mexico to see their mother but their moth kerr no longer cross back into the united states to see them. so we met up with them while they were in mexico, reunited with their mother, and here's what they had to say. today a family reunion but it's only temporary. guadalupe garcia de rayos' two american children have traveled to mexico to be with her after she was deported this week. the first high-profile removal during president trump's administration. i thought the united states was supposed to unite. >> reporter: but guadalupe says her children can't stay in mexico because it's too violent. >> she's everything. >> reporter: and in this florida apartment, another mother, teresa, makes dinner for her children. four were born in the u.s., one born in mexico, and recently 8-year-old kelly heard a knock on the door. it was immigration officials with questions for kelly's
mother, who is undocumented. kelly, so traumatized, she had a panic attack and was hospitalized. her father has been detained. she is now terrified of losing her mother as well. the fears of separation are traumatizing for children, warns the american academy of pediatrics. >> you're really threatening the health of children by placing them in situation where is they're chronically worried about the fear of being separated from their parents. >> reporter: while every day on the southern border families emerge from the brush. she's saying she has to escape the violence in el salvador because once kids become 6, 7, 8 years old, they're brought into the violence and the gangs and they'll be killed. >> reporter: mothers trying to shield their children who may later find more trauma in the fear of family separation. the famy say they'll take the weekend to figure out what they'll do next, but guadalupe says she does not want her children to stay with her in
mexico. she says it is too dangerous. she wants them to continue school in the united states. she wants them to further their careers. when it comes to her deportation, i.c.e. is saying this stems from a 2013 deportation order under the obama administration, president barack obama was the president that deported the most people. but this family feels that this is a part of the new administration's push and hard stance against immigration. they say this is a result of trump's executive order. >> gadi, thanks so much. now the latest, the reactions in the legal battle over president trump's executive order on immigration. the president is vowing to continue that fight, suggesting the next stem may be to file a whole new executive order. >> we need speed m for reasons of security. so it could very well be that we do that. >> joining me right now is john malcolm, senior legal fellow for the heritage foundation. good to have you with me.
first off, do you support the executive order, the immigration ban as it stands? >> well, i don't have access to classified information, so i don't see the raw intelligence that people have. however, look, this is at least a limited action was rolled out badly, the optics were certainly bad. >> do we know this is based on intelligence? we've never heard one suggestion this is based on either actionable intelligence or any presentation to the president. >> well, let's talk about what these seven countries are. first of all, there are 50 majority muslim kun tris around the world. these seven countries have about 12% of the world's muslim population so there's still 88% of muslims living in these majority muslim countries or other countries freely coming in and out of the united states. these seven countries were identified by both coness and the obama administration as posing a heightened risk of
terrorism. they pose a heightened risk of terrorism for simple reasons. they are either state sponsors of terrorists, they are safe havens for terrorists, they are failing states that lack capacity to do proper vetting, or they don't cooperate with us so we do not have a confidence level about the people coming in from those countries. there is also no question that terrorists like cyber criminals exploit weaknesses in computer systems. terrorists look to exploit weaknesses in our immigration systems so they can get people into this country, you know, make contact with terrorist cells and then, you know, have horrific events. >> why do you think saudi arabia -- the majority of the 9/11 hijackers were from saudi arabia. why do you think they were not a part of this travel ban? >> for the very reason that i just said. it is not a failing state. they cooperate with us. they have capacity. and so it is not a weakness in which one can exploit a loophole to get into this country from saudi arabia. this is not about -- by the way,
the ninth circuit did say there have been no people involved in terrorist attacks from these seven countries. that is patently not true. there have been dozens of people already convicted of terrorism-related offenses from those countries. but totally setting that aside, this is not about where did attackers come from. it is where did attackers go through or where are the current weaknesses that would allow them to enter the country. so you can now see people who are stopped at the border who have very compelling stories, and my heart goes out to them. what you can't see is the person who is stopped, who otherwise would have entered into the country, who would be here in order to perpetrate a terrorist attack. >> john, as you know, the majority -- >> difficult choices. >> the majority of terrorist attacks that have happened in this country have been perpetrated main ly by american muslims or by those that are radicalized in their basements. what's this order doing to thwart any of that, which is the real problem?
>> well -- well, you say that's the real problem. lone wolf terrorists are certai a problem. but there are also terrorist cells, and there are people who receive financing, and there are people who go to other countries in order to get training. >> i'm saying american families who have lost a loved one in the most recent three year, and that is a real problem, the majority of these people have been the victims of someone who was radicalized and american, radicalized here at home and then committed terrorist acts. >> there are lone wolf terrorists. they are a serious problem. they are very hard to go after for all the reasons you just said. but there are also terrorist cells that are more organized that are looking to carry out more coordinated and broader attacks. many of those have thankfully, due to good intelligence, been stopped. it's that kind of thing that we are trying to stop. the guy who is say a somali in minnesota, who has, you know --
is looking at jihadi videos from boko haram and decide to go out and kill americans, that you won't be able to stop, but the terrorist celluck stop. and that's what this executive order is aimed at. >> if you were advising the trump administration at this current legal junction, what would you say to them about how to properly, you know, put into writing what would not fall short of a ninth circuit judgment or that would be executed by our department of homeland security and dhs? >> one thing the ninth circuit pointed out is you have three categories here. people who have green cards, people here in this country already unlawfully. and then you have people waiting to come to our shore. the executive order as written was very broad and could arguably cover all three. the supreme court has made clear the first two categories of
people, green cardholders and people who are already hereut here unlawfully, have d process rights. it's very limited for people here illegally in this country, but people waiting to come into this country do not have due process rights. don mcgahn, the white house counsel, issued a clarification saying the executive order was not meant to apply to the first two. the court said you're the white house counsel, the executive order is broad enough to cover both. so you could rewrite the executive order to make sure the first two categories of people are not covered and you could also put out in an unclassified setting a little more about why these seven countries were chosen. i don't know what a judge or the ninth circuit would do but it would be a better executive order. >> a new workweek is coming. we shall see how they react. john malcolm, nice to have you on. thank you. >> good to be with you. all right. so some folks around the country are fearing for the worst. they're ready for doomsday. and that's a bunker. folks are now trying to figure
out how they can create their own as it's a booming business in certain parts of the country. we'll show you what it's like to be inside. and next hour, anger erupting at town hall meetings across the country. a congressman talks to us about the issues that have constituents so upset. dear predictable, there's no other way to say this. it's over. i've found a permanent escape from monotony. together, we are perfectly balanced, our senses awake,
not to be bloommy, but this is real. folks are doomsday prepping. this used to be tied to the cold war but nowadays there's a fresh business and one company in texas says he can't keep up with demand. tammy leitner explains. >> reporter: it looks like a backyard shed. >> here's the hidden door in the shelter. >> reporter: but below this steel door a secret underground bunker. >> all right. here we go. >> reporter: we agreed not to disclose the location of this one. >> this is something for survival. >> reporter: a glimpse into a world most never see. how many people would this
sleep? >> five on top, five here. so there's ten. this is actually an escape but it goes way out into the woods and you pop up. you have to come in here, that means the outside world no longer exists as we know it. this is doomsday scenario right here. >> reporter: for some that doomsday scenario is right now. >> our sales probably went up 500% under the trump administration. >> reporter: he designs and builds underground bunkers in texas about 75 miles outside dallas. he says the bunker business has been booming since trump was elected president and that trump's talk on war, terrorism, and nuclear fallout has some on edge. >> reporter: what are most people preparing for? >> most people prepare for a big war with another country and them they're afraid they're going to be civil unrest. >> reporter: josh and brooke are here buying their second bunker. >> with everything you see happening in the world today, you can never have that too much
protection. >> everything going on politically has really motivated me to want to purchase a bunker. a couch here out of the way, tv. >> reporter: they both voted for trump. >> we're not concerned about the trump factor. it's the other people in this world that we're concerned about. >> reporter: they say this 1,100 square foot shelter is perfect for them and their young kids. but at the other end of the spectrum -- >> this is going to be a luxury bunker. somebody will be able to take their buddies in their, with their friends, play pool, get in the hot tub. it has an exercise room. everything. >> reporter: the price on this? in the millions. his customers range from politicians to preppers, but now more common he says, families fearful of the changing political landscape. >> husband and wife, two kids, that's really simplified. >> reporter: tammy leitner, msnbc, texas. >> i don't have millions of dollars to buy an apartment or
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jason chaffetz at a town hall attended by thousands of people with signs. >> given the choice before us, by far donald trump was the better choice. by far. >> so chaffetz isn't the only gop lawmaker facing angry constituents. the very same night tennessee republican diane black also got booed at her town hall. and while just last weekend
california's tom mcclintock had escorted out of his event by police. we want to bring in elise jordan, msnbc analyst, former adviser to the rand paul campaign. and morris reed, democratic strategist and partner at mercury. great to see you both. elise, let's talk about the optics of this. how unusual is this real hi for the gop, the folks that are in power with the white house, to have this much protest and outrage? >> it's cheerily a very contentious time. we've never seen protests like this at the beginning of a presidency, you know, from the women's march and, you know, the largest protest that has ever occurred in america, to consistent, you know, you look at the immigration ban being implemented suddenly op a friday afternoon and across the nation you have crowds at airports being galvanized to take action. so it is quite a moment in american history for protests and it's going to be interesting how democrats actually channel this anti-trump enthusiasm.
and if they're going to be able to translate it to success at the voting booths in 2018. >> right. is it real traction we're looking at here, the precursor of? some would suggest the protests, these are democrats, some in that crowd kind of ginning them up, or that these are people that are angry that could be converted but any way you look at it it is modern update to the tea party, its playbook. so how do democrats, as elise was saying, channel this and be able to get traction out of it for future elections? >> well, right now they have an opportunity and whether those people are democrats or just unsatisfied and disenfranchised voters, so democrats have an opportunity to rulely them. but they just can't be the opposition party. as you've heard me say before, the way you win elections is with a clear message. the way you motivate a dissatisfied population is make sure you have an answer or solution. if the democratic party
positions themselves as the solution to the answers or at least the alternative to what the republicans are putting forward, then they may be able to galvanize these guys because, you know, one thing is for sure, when you're in charge and you're the leader, people expect results. when you play up the way that donald trump played up that he would deliver, people want to see resultresults, so ultimatel the democrats can pull together a cohesive message, this could be an opportunity for them in 18 months. >> we have bernie sanders giving a new interview talking about these protest protests might even derail one of the president's key campaign promises, which is to repeal the aca. take a listen. >> do you think these protests are going to have any impact, though, on republicans who will, of course, control this repeal and replace? >> do i think? i think it has already had a huge impact pap month or two ago the republicans said we're going to repeal the affordable care act, we're going to throw millions off of health
insurance. guess what? you're not hearing that so much anymore. i don't think you'll see them going forward with the repeal of the aca. >> morris, we have heard about repeal and replace and some e electric tichs talking about the fact to do that successfully would take about decade. do you think this is them hedging their bets and slowly walking back the real opportunity of what that means? >> i think so. first of all, you have toll be prepared, when you say you're going to repeal and replace, you have to have something to replace it with it. and i think these folks underestimated that the american people were just not into the rhetoric of repeal and replace. they actually wanted to see what you want to replace it with, because in a lot of case, the obamacare situation may not be the most terrific plan but it's better than nothing. and the republicans failed in this opportunity where they had the opportunity to seize the moment but they fumbled it because they don't have an answer. if you see in the town hall meetings when people say we're going to repeal it, they say
repeal it with what? and republicans still don't have an answer on what exactly they'll do to repeal it. so i think you'll see people walking away from this, particularly as it gets closer to the re-election. >> we're only in day 22, elise politico reporting president trump is quote frustrated with the challenges of running massive federal bureaucracy and quote, being president is harder than he thought. yeah, there are day in and day out problems. now we've got flynn and russia. there are the rumors about whether or not sean spicer is going to be replaced, how donald trump treats him behind the scenes and how he talks about him, and then the major issue with the travel ban and the court problems, the unconstitutional basis of that travel ban. elise, what's your reaction to this? is donald trump getting, you know, an unfortunate course 101 on being president and not liking it? >> well, you look at donald trump's background, and that's always been managing a family
business. you know, inheriting the busissf his father to some extent and then ting it and building it into a more robust business. so now he's stuck in the middle running the massive government bureaucracy. and he is -- you know, he does seem to be flailing a little bit. what i would really note about that would be he just hasn't made a lot of key appointments that he needs to make if the government is going to function. you know, you look at the state department, and it's virtually unfilled with the exception of the secretary of state and a few ambassadors that he's announced. so how is he able to manage our foreign relations if he isn't being properly briefed and if he doesn't have his representatives around the world and within the u.s. government pushing his agenda? so he really first of all i think has to staff up his government with good people. and that would be a start towards getting just, you know, some basic competency within the government. >> elise, morris, great to see you both this morning. thanks for your time.
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