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that's going to do it for this hour, i'm steve kornacki here. up next, again the countdown continues to the president's speech. chuck todd, going to talk to bernie sanders and rand paul, that's mtp daily, and it starts right now. if it's tuesday, president trump is coming to congress. tonight, what will predent trump say? how will democrats in congress react? and can the president begin to restore his administration's credibility? >> i think i get an a in terms what have i've actually done. plus what congress wants to hear. i'll talk to former candidates from both sides of the aisle. senators bernie sanders and rand paul. and why marie is a tomay is the real winner of this year's academy awards. >> my u biological clock is ticking and the way this case is going, i ain't never getting married. >> this is mtp daily and it starts right now.
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good evening, i'm chuck todd here in washington where in just over four hours, president trump will speak to a joint session of congress for the first time in the historic house chamber. president will be addressing a deeply divided nation and a deeply divided chamber tonight. so welcome to a special edition of mtp daily as we gear up for this big night in american politics. questions are swirling around three crucial areas, the substance, the credibility of messenger, and the symbolism surrounding the night. on substance, there remains serious questions about the health care, tax reform, budget, russia, north korea, immigration. where we got some potentially big news out of the white house today, more on that in label the. the white house briefed reporters today including myself, and a few others at nbc news ahead of tonight's address. some was off the record. somef it wasn't. a lot is already out tre as there was confusion about what was onnd what was off and what
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was background. so let me just lay out what we know. according to to the white house, the president may issue a call for an immigration bill in his speech tonight a big comprehensive bipartisan immigration bill. what could be a major shift. white house says mr. trump is open to legal status for undocumented immigrants who haven't committed serious crime. those individuals will not need to leave the country to get legal, possibly even citizenship both if the president does say this tonight, that he's open to a pathway for legal status for millions of undocumented immigrants. that would be a major shift considering the different identity on the issue of immigration. but again, this seemed to be a slightly, sort of i don't to want say off the cuff, but maybe calling it audible. all of that's a big if tonight. white house does say the president's address will focus on some other issues including economic issues at the he'll get his what is described quote an america-first agenda. which includes trade and
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infrastructure reform. but he's not expected to offer much in the way of specifics on the thorny issue of repealing and replacing obamacare. told the speech will end on an optimistic tone with a call for uni unity. something that the white house believes was overlooked in his inauguration speech. in addition to issues of substance, there are renewed questions of white house credibility and flurry of fact checks calls for conflicts of interest, and of course controversial claims. so today, president trump offered a rare acknowledgment of his administration shortcomings when it comes to messaging. >> but i give myself an a plus, okay, effort, but that's, you know, results are more important. in terms of messaging, i would give myself a c or c plus. >> why? >> so my messaging isn't good. i get an a in terms what have i've actually done. in terms of messaging, c or c plus. >> and lastly, there are questions tonight of symbolic
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importance, will president trump address the issue of anti-semitism or the recent shooting in kansas where an indian man was killed as a possible hate crime. and how will democrats treat the president tonight? will it be symbolic protests or outright disruption? joining me now, rand paul of kentucky. he recently is calling for a full obama carrey peel and says he won't for any republican plan he considers obamacare-like. senator paul, always a pleasure, sir. >> thank you. let me ask it in the 30,000 foot way for you. do you think the time is right for a comprehensive, bipartisan bill right now? do you think the political environment is there for it to happen in this president could make it happen? >> you know, i think there is room for movement on immigration. i've always said it would be better done if we did aittle bit of it at a time.
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most of the distrust on a part of conservatives is that even going back to reagan whenever we legalized people who came in illegally we were promised border security and the border security never came. and so conservatives are very distrustful of the process. so i think if you look at border security first, and then if you look like you're making progress, i think you could do other things. i'm open on the dreamers, i would let the dreamers have a legal status, but i would count them against new people coming again. so for example, if you're waiting in mexico city, and you want to come here and you're a dreamer and you're already here, i'd give preference to the dreamers, but i'd count them against the numbers so what we would be doing is internally immigrating people who are already here. >> what is border enforcement mean though? you always hear that. and there's no agreed upon metric. for instance, it's simply a more aggressive i.c.e. which the public is now seeing. is that enough for you? >> i think what you have to
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have, and the message needs to be sent very loud and clear that we are a welcoming country, if you come in legally, if you come in illegally, there's no tolerance. zero tolerance that everyone will be sent back as soon as they cross in. they will be entry addicted within the first 100 feet of coming and immediately sent back. we're not going to send them to massachusetts. we're not ing to send them to alaska. we're ing to say, absolutely no illegal immigration, but the government has to prove that they can do that because conservatives have promised that in the past and never fulfilled it. if they promise that, look, i'm somebody who's very open to more legal immigration. i'm for expanding the migrant workers. expanding the h 1 b visas. i'm pro immigration, but the government needs to prove that it can handle illegal immigration. >> speaking of promises, promises made and kept. let's go to obamacare. the president gave you initial
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credit when he said hey, you can't do repeal without having the replace ready to go. but you also have teamed up with two other senators to say, hey, what we're seeing right now, coming out of the house even is not a full repeal, so you're not interested in any of it. is there any health care plan that isn't going to have some portion of it that could be classified as obamacare? >> well, we promised the electorate we plan 2010, we took over the house, not for partial repeal. we took over the senate in 2014, we promised complete repeal, we won the white house on the complete repeal, so, the starting and ending point for republicans, and where we have previously been unified is complete repeal. now complete repeal does not include refundable tax credits which are basically the government giving you money back that you did not pay in taxes. that is simply subsidies by another name. it would be a permanent entitlement program, and it sort
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of -- it's, you know, a democrat idea dressed up in republican clothing. so i'm not for that. and i won't vote for that. and i think they know me at my word that i will vote no, but i've always joined by the house freedom cause ku, 40 members, and at least three or four in the senate who are saying hey, wait a minute, why don't we just vote for repeal and let's do replacement separately. >> you know, it's interesting, phil clyne, in the washington examiner, ote tolng about this issue itself about how far republicans willing to go on obamacare? he said democrats are willing to risk political defeat to deliver on something they believed in. so do republicans believe anything they've been saying? do they think obamacare is an abomination that kills jobs, drives up cost, or runs the quality of coverage? if they do, they have a duty to follow through on the promises to which they owe their majorities. no matter the political risks. is that where you are? >> what i would say is i'm for both complete repeal and replace same day. and the replacement would fix a
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lot of the problems. i have a great deal of sympathy. i worked as opposition for 20 years. i have a great deal of the working class who struggle to get health care. and so what i would do is the 11 million people that are in the individual market or the main problem is, i would let every one of them join an association and get group insurance. group insurance will be cheaper, and group insurance will protect you against preexisting conditions. that's a solution. not more government handouts, we don't have any money to give people, we're out of money up here. we have a $20 trillion debt we borrow a million dollars a minute -- >> what do you do with the medicaid -- what do you do with the folks that got covered on medicaid expansion. >> first question is how do you pay for what president obama gave them? he gave them a false hope. and he gave the country a false promise because it was dishonest accounting, there is no money to pay for it. but the way i would help those individuals, is i would let every indivual join an association to so instead of buying insurance by yourself
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under my plan, no one would be left buying insurance by themselves. everybody would join an association, and what if the association had a million people -- >> what if you're unemployed. what association are you joining if you don't have a job or -- what association is it that association of people looking for health insurance? how did that work? >> i think you forget that we do have a baseline for those who are not able to take care of themselves. and that's called medicaid. and we still would have that. we also have for the unemployed, there are different transitional products that you can get cobra and different insurance replacements that you get until you work again. but under my plan, the 11 million people who are in the individual market who worry about getting sick, would be covered, they would not have a problem with preexisting conditions, and they would get a better price. obamacare did the opposite. it made insurance too expensive, nobody wanted to buy it, and it led to a death spiral for the
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insurance companies. we've got to fix that with complete repeal and replace it with the marketplace and with market reforms that will help everybody get insurance at a cheaper price. >> now look, no one had said that you're somebody that panders, because if you wanted to pander on this, your own state is viewed as a success story when it comes to obamacare. in fact, your state's former governor is going to be giving the address tonight. why -- where are you on ky connect? does it work or not work? >> i wouldn't exactly agree with that. obamacare is basically medicaid expansion. some say about 16 million people got insurance and 14 million of them got medicaid. so if you tell me that hey, you're going to be governor of kentucky and we'll offer free cars to people and everybody can have a car, could i set up a website to offer everybody free car, free house, free college education? it's easy to offer stuff that's free. it's irresponsible. so our governor was irresponsible, president obama was irresponsible, and we're
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left with a $20 trillion debt because they just kicked the can up to washington and said, print up more money for it. that is not a responsible way to run your country. >> the final question here, is it fair to the tax payers for non-insured people to take care of in an emergency room and eventually that cost get passed on to us and higher insurance rates? >> there's a wide variety of ways you can take care of people. very sick people, i think, who insurance cannot buy insurance. i think we can take care of them through government programs, but we need to make sure that it's 5% of the public and not 50% of the public. so what you need is you need an expanding, growing economy where most people get their insurance through employment and employment is expanding. right now we grow at about 1%. for every percentage point of growth that you increase growth, you add about a million jobs. if you grow at 3% instead of 1%, that's 2 million people who are getting real insurance and have real employment and will be
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developing real self-worth. there are a lot of answers to this, some of it include the government, but we don't want everybody to be on the government take because then there's not enough people left to pay for all of those services. >> all right. senator rand paul, republican from kentucky, appreciate you coming on and sharing your views. always a pleasure. >> thanks. coming up, i'll talk with senator bernie sanders about what progressives will be watching for tonight. stay tuned. sir! there's been a breach. we need your password so we can lock down the system. my password? yes, sir, we need your password. the password that i use? yes, sir, your password. there's been another breach! sir! right. okay. i-h-a... ...t-e-m-y-j-o-b-1. ihatemyjob1? wanna get away? now you can with southwest fares as low as 59 dollars one-way. yes to low fares with nothing to hide. that's transfarency. sfx: clap, clap, ding but i keep it growing by making every dollar count.
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welcome back. bringing guests to a presidential address to congress is now is a time honored tradition, not just by presidents these days. everyone. and tonight's guests lists certainly highlights the strong partisan divide on immigration. among president trump's guests are three americans whose family members were killed by imgraduates living in the united states illegally. on the left, at least four democratic lawmakers have invited dreamers who are part of the obama era program which exempts people illegally brought in as children from deportation. while the president has
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founder and editor of the weekly standard. and maria, are you the founder -- >> founding president. >> founding president. >> whoa. >> she's a president. >> that's what i said. >> title immediately. >> 12 years. >> bill crystal, you're a republican member of congress, you've been hammered at town halls, what do you want to hear from president trump tonight? >> that's a good question. i think you probably want to sense -- it's like a sense they have a legislative strategy.
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people around usually been in government before, what do we do first? what do we make here? where do we get the bipartisan bill maybe in the first year? if we can't, what's popular and what can we shove aside? what doesn't have a sense, they just don't think anyone in the trump white house really thinking this way. >> who's the josh bolton, who's the dick darrman who's thinking about that. >> sequencing. maria, imagining a sequencing that was infrastructure first. >> and to give people jobs. that's what folks wanted. they wanted president trump to
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come in and talk about jobs and job creation and not double down on social issues. >> when somebody wants to lead with tonight. he wants to lead with his focus on jobs and keeping jobs in the united states. >> go back and look at schumer's kwoeks after the election. well, if he's going to propose infrastructure bill. we're going to find ways to work with them. that's why so many men were getting hammered. there's always going to be people unhappy with what you do. the problem is if you don't have a thing to say, i made this. i did this thing. he's ginn them very little to grasp on to. you might not like x over here, but y. >> why people say you know what,
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may not be the guy for me. he's promised me a job. >> and by the way -- >> the base strategy of the first month. now look, look bill, tonight, it has been -- i would say all weekend and including the seniorest most administrative official in the white house. they are really trying to have a positive attitude, optimistic outlook. they have said the words unity a lot. we heard it before the inauguration, i believed it before the inaugural speech, turned out it wasn't as unifying as it could have been. i do think tonight they seem more serious about trying to sound more optimistic. >> i think that's nice and sounding good is good. but you could save jobs. that's easy. 4.7% unemployment. that's easy to know exactly the people who don't have jobs and canton, ohio, no one can snap his fingers -- >> in fairness -- there are people underemployed. >> that's a tough problem to deal with. i agree, but one thing you can do is try to make things more bite sized.
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comprehensive does not work well. you can imagine doing bite sized things that will be impressive. >> which would give them something to talk about. if you're a republican member of congress. i talked to mike, george bush's primary speech writer because you know, we are hearing it's going to be a more positive speech. and what he said i thought was interesting, the two big speeches from trump are convention and inauguration. both very dark speeches. which is things are terrible. i'm the only one who could say that. things are good, the need for donald j. trump only man on earth who can take us from this terrible place to. that it goes against brand for him to give a speech that is -- >> one of the things he'll
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double down on the military and making you safer and this is yo you chose me. then the republicans can use that as red meat and say wait a second, you don't believe in a border country. that's tough. and i do think it backs on who he wants to cut off a lot of this program to feed the military is the for the poor, for folks that are the most vulnerable. that supposedly also his constituents. >> i want to go to health care here. i have time with the speaker of the house this morning. that was very much on the record, and where he is on health care, and obviously some of us got some time with folks that are associated with the president at the white house in a evwed the speech. what's interesting, bill, is -- and when i first met bill crystal, he was faxing me letters at the hotline trying to stop hillarycare. it was a long time ago. exactly, curling papers. been doing the health care wars forever. >> it's made a good comeback by the way. >> test interesting, i got the sense they're trying to be on
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the same page. they're barely on the same page. >> replacing -- the facts we post many articles on obamacare and the possible replacements with there are good ideas and trade offs. they don't want refundable tax credits. you cover people who can't afford to buy insurance. there's a very coherent -- >> makes a good argument for the tax credit. >> yes. >> very well. this is the other obama wants government exchanges, conservatives want tax credits. age appropriate. >> all conservatives -- >> you heard rand paul. >> they don't have a real majority. if you don't have democrats votes. this is the only mistake of think of republicans. trump wins, 52 republican senators is not that many if you lose rand paul -- >> 149. >> susan collins and murkowski and others, john mccain on the third, i don't know that anyone's done the legislative work to figure out what alternative can pass. >> i think you can rest assured no one has done that, right?
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that is not where they are yet. it's just a fact. >> legislative problems that they have. you have to sell it. you can't just say it. >> i don'tave a lot of optimism that we will hear details on that tonight. all right. yo guys are sticking around. still ahead, senator bernie sanders joins me. why i'm obsessed with marissa today. stay tuned. i realize that ah, that $100k is not exactly a fortune. well, a 103 yeah, 103. well, let me ask you guys. how long did it take you two to save that? a long time. then it's a fortune. well, i'm sure you talk to people all the time who think $100k is just pocket change. right now we're just talking to you. i told you we had a fortune. yes, you did. getting closer to your investment goals starts with a conversation. schedule a complimentary goal planning session today.
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stay with msnbc all night for full coverage of president trump's first address to congress. don't change the channel right now. brian williams, rachel maddow, and chris matthews will lead the coverage. hey, we're doing stuff now. midnight eastern, chris matthews will be staying up with his all-star panel of guests and a special edition of hardball. bill march, kathy griffin, michael moore, rob ryaner will have all sort of the west coast reaction to the president's address. that's midnight tonight. and we've got more mtp daily just ahead, but first, here's hampton peson with the cnbc market wrap. >> thanks chuck, dow down by 25 points. s&p off six, nasdaq dropping 36 points. demand on the rise in the housing market. that means higher prices in the spring compared to last year. existing home sales hitting a ten-year high last month. apple's ceo tim cook promising shareholders tons of
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welcome back. our countdown continuens to president donald trump's first address before joint session of congress. it's the first time in over a decade that a republican president will address a united republican congress. meanwhile, democrats are figuring out whether to work with this president or embrace full on obstructionism. joining me now is the independent vermont senator a former democratic presidential candidate, bernie sanders. senator sanders, welcome back to the show, sir. >> good to be with you. >> let me just start with your baseline. what is the -- what is something in your sort of within the realm of the possible that you'd like to hear from president trump tonight? you know what i mean, like within the realm of possible.
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he's a republican, you are not. what is something you'd like to hear tonight that's within that realm that you think is possible. >> i think a reasonable request, chuck, is that the president tell the american people and especially the people that voted for him, he's going to keep his campaign promises. i wanted to hear him tonight despite that he's appointed half of wall street into his administration yes, we're going to take on the greed and the restlessness and the illegal
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behavior of wall street. i don't think that's asking too much. >> you know it's interesting you brought up social security and medicare. you'd like to hear him say he would veto anything that would do that. because his first budget, you must have been let's erase 90% of it. there was one part of it, he said, not touching medicare and social security, which doesn't make some house republicans happy. did that make you relieved? >> but that's only half the story. >> okay. >> see the other half of the story is that paul ryan and his friends, both in the house and the senate, are working to cut social security and medicare. so it's not good enough for him to come up with a budget, which is going to undergo as all president's budgets do massive changes. what's important for him tonight is to say to his republican colleagues, forget about it. don't waste your time. i am going to veto that legislation. and let's go forward and start to take on wall street. by the way, i introduced legislation with 19 co-sponsors
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that would lower the cost, the outrageously high cost of prescription drugs in this country by moving by allowing american farmists, distributors, and individuals to purchase low cost medicine in canada and other countries. >> senator, can i ask about that issue a minute? because, it has struck me on the idea that negotiating lower prices, this has been a demand of the voters for over a decade. >> yep. >> how did it not happen during the obamacare legislation? i mean, i'm just sort of -- i am sort of perplexed, i've heard you push on this and i'm sitting there going, my gosh, how did that not happen? >> well, that is a very fair question. and the answer is, that the pharmaceutical industry in my view next to wall street is the most powerful political force on capitol hill. they have 1,400 lobbyists, they spend billions of dollars in lobbying hundreds of millions in campaign contributions. so let's be honest, chuck, both with the republican party and
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the democratic party, they are enormously powerful. i hope now that given the fact that we have many republicans who want to see this reimplementation a president who has tald abt the high cost of prescription drugs. i hope we can work together to make that happen. change in subject here. i think my job now is to rally the grass roots to take trump on and to fight for a progressive agenda. how much is that -- is that -- are you advocating that you know what, democrats need to stay united against donald trump. >> i think it would be absurd for democrats to say that anything that trump says or does or that republicans say or do automatically an opposition.
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i think that is counterproductive, politically i think it's counterproductive to the best interest of the american people. for example, trump has correctly talked about our crumbling infrastructure. i propose several years ago a trillion dollars investment to rebuild our roads and bridges and waste water plants, et cetera, he has also proposed a trillion dollars. that is good. that can create millions of good-paying jobs. the question is, are we going to fund that infrastructure rebuilding by giving tax breaks to wall street and billionaires or do we fund it in a sensible way? he comes forward in a sensible way, let's go forward together. >> you know it's interesting, you also have leverage on the democratic party, i kw your candidate didn't g the win. and you talked about, you still believe the democratic party needs to make a wholesale transformation. your e-mail list is considered one of the most politically best assets you could have on the left these days. and you have hesitated whether you're going to let the dnc lease it to it and all of that.
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what would the dnc have to do? what would chairman tom perez have to do to make you feel comfort that believe you know what, they're making the transformation that i called for and because of that, here's my list? >> chuck, as i've said many times, and i think by the way i'm meeting with tom, i believe on thursday. senator schumer and i and keith ellison will be sitting down with tom and see where he plans to take democratic party, but you're right. i believe we need a fundamental transformation of the democratic party. it has to be become a bottom up party, not a top down party. it has to be opening it's doors to working people, to young people. enormous amount of energy out there. right now, my job is to support a progressive candidate, candidates who are prepared to stand up to wall street, to the big money interests, to corporate america, to fight for working families. and those are the people that i am supporting. we will see the direction of the democratic party and i'll probably learn a little bit more
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on thursday. >> is there, you know, you say wholesale transor it mags. gave me one example that the dnc and look, bottom up sounds good. that sounds like a talking point. you've got to have it inaction. give me an actionable item. >> one of the provisions put into the democratic platform was the call for unity commission to talk about the future of the democratic party. and i want to see where calm is going on there. that means, for example, moving, rethinking the role of superdelegates within the democratic primary process when i ran for president, i think i got 5% of the super delegates, secretary clinton and the establishment got 95%. i think we need to rethink that. i think we need to look at open primaries so that independents can in fact vote in the democratic primaries. but i think in terms of the
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structure of the democratic party, it means a 50 state party providing the financial resources that parties that the democratic leadership has long turned it's back on. i was just in kansas the other day, 5,000 people were out in kansas. republican states. i think we can turn those states around if. those states have the proper support. >> the former governor of kentucky will be speaking because in fact, in kentucky, in west virginia, and in in a number of other states, the affordable care act, the trump and the republicans want to repeal was enormously successful, tens and tens of thousands of people for the first time in their lives had
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health insurance. they were able to get insurance even if they had a preexisting condition. so i think the reason that the former governor of kentucky is going to be speaking tonight, he's going to talk the successes of the affordable care act. now we all know the affordable care act was not perfect, it has got to be improved, but the overwhelming majority, the american people, do not simply believe it should be repealed if nothing to replace it. >> all right senator bernie sanders, we'll all be watching together tonight. 9:00, thanks for coming on. appreciate you sharing your views. we'll have more on what to expect and what not to expect from tonight's presidential address. still ahead. how will democrats, by the way, deal with tonight? will there be any unexpected noise? up ne, the real winner at theoscars, wasn' even up for an award. stay tuned. the future of business in new york state is already in motion. companies across the state are growing the economy, with the help of the lowest taxes in decades,
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every step you take, narrows the influence of narrow minds. bridges continents and brings this world one step closer. so, the question you asked me. what is the key? it's you. everything in one place, so you can travel the world better. welcome back. tonight, i'm obsessed with marissa, no, not in a george way. i'm a happily married man. let me explain. we all know the winner was moonlight, not la la land when it came to best picture. but what we really may have learned is that marissa truly was the winner of 1993's best supporting actress award. you remember, you may remember her who played mona lisa in my cousin vinny, surprise winner, announced by jack. >> the oscar goes to -- and the
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oscar goes to marissa for my cousin vinny. >> now conspiracy theorists soon emerged, the one armed push-up man supposedly couldn't read the card in the envelope or he accidentally read the last name he saw on the tell prompter. afterall, how could a brooklyn newcomer win out of such giants of the british empire vanessa, judy davis, miranda richardson, and joan, she wasn't nominated far golden globe. anybody can buy one of those? right? teasing. well, here's how. she was great, that's why she won and the only american in the bunch. what we learned on sunday is when someone does announce the wrong winner, the people actually scurry on stage and set things right. so now that we know the oscar winner was marissa, we focus on the real conspiracies like the one where three to five million -- never mind, all of
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it's lid time. panel is back, i want to talk about democrats, you heard bernie sanders, chris cilizza, it's interesting, even as democrats act as if they're going to be just all no all the time -- >> yep. >> rhetorically, bernie sanders keeps saying well, if he will keep these promises on infrastructure, you know, there will be some people that help him on that front. but will he? >> bernie sanders is not the center of the democratic party, right? this is a liberal's liberal. self-confessed. so i think that trump would be smart and that doesn't mean he will do this, but smart strategically to try to coop mocrats and say well here's this infrastructurproposalor example. you guys said you wanted this for years, here it is. it's not everything you want, but we like it -- we think you should be with us. at least it would take the story and make it about why are
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democrats opposing donald trump unilaterally as opposed to donald trump has said x whacky thing on twitter. >> the sprob getting republicaned firesed up about this. i was with paul ryan this morning, bill, the speaker essentially said, don't think of it as trillion dollar infrastructure proposal, you know, the public sector -- it could be a trillion dollars in impact. and i thought, oh, that's interesting. you're already starting to see a little bit of a pushback on the administration on it. >> two things. i think democrats are going to say, and they should say politically, we like to work with president trump on some issues. >> trillion dollars -- when that issue comes up. >> the money doesn't go to greedy capitol hill hiss or labor union works and won't pass and sorry, we just can't work. i think the democrats will tell you it politically makes sense, just in opposition. mitch mcconnell pulls it off successful successfully. trump's not that strong in the polls. what's to gain by giving him victories when they don't have
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to? republicans, i think the big story that's beneath all the surface chatter the last week has been the beginning of the visible movement of republican members of congress away from automatic support for president trump. i think people overinterpreted that first month, they were voting for nominee after nominee. you give deference to the nominee's own party's president. when you talk about real legislation, spending a trillion dollars, obamacare, repeal and replace, tax plans, suddenly members of congress think, you know what, i was elected. i have my views on tax policy. i have my viewing on spending. i'm not here to rubber stamp donald trump. >> let me bring up issues right now, that's immigration. so what was said in this meeting with the super senior administration official that everyone knows, maria, look, this idea that maybe the president might throw out, maybe it's time to do immigration where both sides can give a little bit. and whathatroposal would look like. it felt a little bit off the cuff. but, maybe there's more real
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here -- what do you hear that we were going going to do big infrastructure, repeal obama car. he doesn't recognize how big it is. the community is not buying it. i don't think members of congress are buying it. what you were saying earlier, you're right. democrats are going to play politics. it's difficult for the republicans not to stand fast on something. >> which part of what trump propose is him on the whim and go away and if you're republican lawmaker you say this one is real. >> that's the hard -- >> honestly the learn we have learned in the republican party,
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with donald trump is not fundamentally altered. i don't think is comprehensive immigration reform doesn't sale. it it never got a vote after it passed the senate in the house. >> it killed jeb bush and it may have killed marco rubio. >> i think what's happening right now, is that when he said he was going to open up isis and allow deportation of masses, you are seeing people saying think so. iyou're trump, it doesn't help. the public want immigration, they don't want mass
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deportation. i this is not -- donald trump 70 years of life he never said a word of immigration. trade is what he cared about. >> he did believe there should be satisfied with -- >> he is not. >> no. >> trump is capable of looking at it, you're not going to rin on taxes, you have nixon goes to china. you build the wall, you insist on the wall, then let's solve the problem for once and for all. >> we have to recognize who he surrounds himself with. steve bannon and steve miller is not going to like the idea of some sort -- >> let's wait to see have repub
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has various problems. the idea that republicans, oh, he's building a wall, there's -- >> let me play devils advocate. if you want to mess around with social security it's going to take a republican -- if there's this sense in a odd way that i.c.e. is aggressive now, is it a base to -- >> well, people do not want clear polling show mass deportation of law abinng -- >> if there's not a pathway to citizenship, it doesn't hurt them to come out of the shadows.
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>> i never understood how you can do legalization without citizenship. >> to your point about immigration and needing the off party president to bush it, the fundamental problem with immigration is republicans didn't trust obama to enforce it. >> i think to be clear, obama figured if i didn't -- enforcement first, people would come in and negotiate. >> he took them at their word. >> what was the biggest republican complaint against obama? what is trump not touching, dreamers. >> daca. >> he's already not touching it. >> what he said and what he willing to put skin in the game
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for, we know what he said what he's willing to do. >> he can follow through with anything. >> this is improve when he improve he -- >> the wall was improve, don't forget that. after the break, a long time bipartisan tradition gets a shake-up. stay tuned. man: proper etiquette is essential
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there's a bipartisan tradition on nights like tonight. it's aisle hogging. there's no assigned saturdaying -- seating. but for some, the wait is worth it. snagging an aisle getting your handshaked or even an hello. >> hello. >> guess what? congressman engel won't be glad hanging this year. >> this would be first time i have made decision. the the president needs to work with all people therefore i will listen to what he has to say, but i will not greet him or shake his hand. >> it remains to be seen whether any others who are notorious to see how members are seated on
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both side of the aisle greets the new president. stay tuned for president trump first address to congress. for the record with greta starts right now. president trump in prime time in less than three hours president trump walks outdoor of the white house and heads a mile to that building right behind me. the united states capitol. now we hear there maybe major announcement of illegal immigrants. will that enrage political debates. we'll talk to leader from both parties. what will he say about ob


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