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twitter @chrisjansing. craig melvin is up next on msnbc. >> good to see you, my friend. craig melvin here at msnbc headquarters in new york right now, health careless? gop lawmakers on the defense after the cbo report reveals that tens of millions of americans will lose coverage on their plan. i'll talk to a gop congressman who does not support that bill. new audio leaked and defending then candidate trump last fall. what does it mean for the republican party rift? and winter wallop. the northeast still getting pounded by a late winter storm. we've got reporters fanned out to bring you the very latest. al roker will also join me to update us on the latest path of the storm. but at the top of the next hour, a white house briefing. it comes after that damning report from the congressional budget office on a republican health care bill. we should note the nonpartisan
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cbo. the number getting all of the headlines, 24 million. you can see it at the bottom of the graphic. that's how many more people the cbo says would be without insurance if that bill becomes law. let's start with hallie jackson at the white house. kasie hunt on capitol hill. president trump trying to talk jobs. what's the white house's reaction to this cbo report? >> reporter: well, we haven't heard from the president himself directly, at least not yet. he's meeting with the deputy crowned prince of saudi arabia. we had the pool go in, including our colleague peter alexander, who tried to ask a question. the president did not respond to that question. there will be another opportunity at the white house in a couple of minutes. we'll see what happens there. and then, of course, the briefing with sean spicer who will be appearing in front of the press now for the first time since that report came out.
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but that said, we heard from mick mulvaney who said the weather was sunny and 75 out here. mocking the cbo numbers and the way they came up with it. and current head of the congressional budget office in the first place, craig. >> there have been occasions in the past. >> kasie, paul ryan called the score encouraging. are republicans in congress calling it as encouraging? >> in a word, no.
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it reinforces what we saw over the weekend of senator tom cotton making a pitch to his former colleagues and cotton likely would have been one of the conservatives who had concerns about the bill and now he's a senator and worried in a unique kind of way is on the hook and is a model that is working in some ways but he warned over the weekend to his house colleagues, don't walk the plank on this bill. it's not going to pass the senate and create problems for you. he's out again talking about the cbo score and what it means. he was on hugh hewitt's show earlier. take a look. >> i think the congressional office is correct and coverage of levels will go down in the coming years under the house bill. they are also right, i'm afraid, that insurance premiums will
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continue to go up in the near term. there is no three-phase process or plan. that is just political talk. it's just politicians engaging in spin. >> so a pretty blunt talk and it's a surprise for us who have covered him on capitol hill. he's been known as one of the more conservative voices. but this is the trouble for house republican leadership. the reality is, this score shows that this bill shows what he has said that this bill was going to be a it's a set of policies he's gone out there and personally sold and he believes in but it's contrary to what the president has promised americans about what he's going to do. the president has said people are not going to lose coverage and that's part of why i think you see administration officials going out and casting doubt on the cbo score saying the cbo
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doesn't know how to estimate who will be covered and who will not. and obviously this is very complicated but the medicaid piece of this is relatively straightforward. we're not, in that case, arguing about people who are being required by insurance. and either they have access to it or they don't based on the limits that the government sets. that's the piece of it causing the most concern that has caused problems for moderate senators and the reason that this bill could end up on the rocks. so right now, craig, it's very hard to see how they wind this through. >> yeah. >> certainly not in its current form but even really at all. craig? >> hallie, let's pivot for the department of justice, the doj saying that it needs a bit more time for the house intelligence request for evidence and the wiretap claim. how much more time are they asking for? >> well, they didn't specify. the house intelligence committee wants this information by the
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20th. so a week from yesterday. that is a significant day, obviously a big day on capitol hill. it's the day of the russia hearing for the committee as well. so that's kind of the new deadline, you can say, that the house has put in place and they are threatening potentially a subpoena if the department of justice doesn't comply. the doj is saying it wants more time to review this request in compliance with the governing legal authorities. they are trying to figure out what, if any, responsive documents might exist, what they would need to turn over to the house intelligence committee. so lking at roughly maybe five, six, seven or so. >> hallie jackson for us there at the white house, thank you. we were just playing video here and i don't know if you got the return there. what were we just looking at? this is president trump and -- >> reporter: play it again. i didn't get a chance to look. this looks like the spray that just happened, the reporters
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looking at the president meeting with the deputy crown prince of saudi arabia and this is -- if it's what i watched about 30 seconds ago before i walked out to do this live shot, the president doesn't say much. the small group of reporters of the pool walk in and the president says, hey, very nice people and he's joined by vice president pence and steech bannon and other top aides in the room as well. >> kasie hunt on capitol hill, thanks to both of you on this tuesday afternoon. let's bring in florida republican congressman ted yoho. thanks for your time, sir. you have been opposed to this health care plan from the beginning, as i understand it. if there was a vote today, the plan as it stands would pass the house? >> i can't speak for the house. i would not support it in its present form today. we're working in the right direction so i look forward to working with our leadership to refine some things in this program. >> the cbo report that came out, did it in any way, shape or form
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change your position on the bill? >> no, not at all. the cbo, you know, if you look historically, they have been way off on certain things. if you look at the original cost of the affordable care act, it was $860 billion. but truth be known, it was over $2 trillion. it's only off by a factor of 2 trillion. the cbo is a good starting point but not the end result. we have to look down the road to see what we are fliaccomplishin here. the affordable care act on its own is going to be it i own demise. we see the exchanges some counesly have one insurance marketer and so on its own it's not providing the health care that it was supposed to provide in the majority of the people that went into the affordable care act were on medicaid and medicaid, if you look at it on an industrialwide world platform has the lowest health care
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outcomes in the world. we don't really want access without quality. i think more importantly, we want to focus on quality care for everybody. >> it sounds like, congressman, that you are okay with sacrificing some coverage for access. >> well, i think the bottom line is, you want quality care. and that's what we're focusing on. we want quality care for people. >> what good is it if you don't have the coverage? >> our goal is to have access to coverage, quality care and that they can afford it. the way we're going, i'm one of the people that lost health care because of the affordable care act. my premiums went up. we're paying over $10,000 more than i used to pay. and so i'm one of the people that got affected by it severely and it's nonsustainable. if i can't afford that, people in a lower income bracket, from what a congressman makes, which
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is $174,000 a year, how are they going to afford this for their family? >> we know for a fact there have been millions of people who have been able to afford health care under obamacare, as it's called. isn't that correct? >> that's debatable if you look at where these people came from. how many people got displaced out of the private market sector that was providing insurance but because of the affordable care act they lost that or how many people got laid off because of the affordable care act and they moved people from a 40-hour work week being full time, which was historical, but because of the afford blg care act they moved to 30 and got laid off and then moved into the medicaid exchanges. so we went from people being covered through their employer to a government-run program with subsidies. we can't afford this as a nation. i think we all need to take a step back and look at where we're going to be five to six years from now. all you have to do is look at
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puerto rico. that's where we're heading. you can put a program in but if we don't pay attention to the bottom line, we're going to lose all of this. >> you would also acknowledge, though, that even if folks aren't covered, even if you've increased access in some places and decreased it in others, when people get sick, they are going to go to the hospital. people aren't just going to -- >> sure. >> the cost of people using hospitals as primary care physicians, we know that that is exponentially more expensive than giving folks access on the front end. i think it boils down to just this one question. health care in the united states of america, should it be a privilege or a right? >> man, i can't tell you how much i appreciate you asking that question because that was the very thing i heard president-elect obama in an interview and that's what got me to run. i don't think it's a right that the government should -- >> that wasn't the question.
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the question wasn't who should provide it. the question was -- >> i'm going to answer it. it s is it a privilege or right? >> it's a privilege. i don't think it's a right that the government provides health care for all people. it goes back to woodrow wilson, a democracy versus socialism from 1887. he said that the role of the federal government can provide and perform better than the individual and that the individual rights come secondary to the needs of society. that'sn underlying fndamental difference of what we stand r. i'm 100% opposed to that. i think everybody should have access to health care and i think the government should make sure that it's played properly. and if you look at the epi pen,
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it costs $500. i can buy a bottle as a veterinarian. it has 60 doses in there and can legally dispense that to a client for their pet and make $18.50. there's no reason the american people have to pay 450 to $700 for that product and that's a function of the pharmacies and the insurance companies. that's wrong and that's what drives up health care where people can't afford it. >> that's one of the things, as you know, that drives up health care. >> it really is. >> i want to play a piece of audio here for you. >> sure. >> this is house speaker paul ryan, this is breitbart, the president's chief strategist steve bannon. this is reportedly from an october republican conference call by ryan talking about then candidate trump. take a listen. >> there are basically two things that i want to make really clear. i am not going to defend donald trump, not now, not in the future. look, you guys know i have real concerns with our nominee.
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>> what does that exchange say about the relationship between the party and the relationship between the white house? >> well, i think back in october i think that spoke pretty loudly where paul ryan stood. i was on that conference call. i remember that conference call. i remember that remark. you know, that was paul's choice. he chose to do that. but it's different today. i mean, he's one of president trump's biggest proponents and supporters and he's out there working to solve this problem of a failed health care bill that was put on us in 2009 without one republican supporter on that. an if you remember -- and this is something that i think is legislative malpractice, for then speaker nancy pelosi to say we have to pass it to see what's in it, we have to pass it to see how it's going to work is legislative malpractice and those people should not be in office. this bill, when it comes out, as you have already seen, it's been rolled out to the american people where everybody can read it. i'll guarantee you, everybody will read this bill before we
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pass it. >> senator cotton says it's dead on the arrival in the upper chamber. >> in its present form when it first came out, i was not a supporter of it but they are making reforms to it so it's not a finished product. >> so the bill that we've seen is not the bill that you guys vote on? >> more than likely. i'm pretty much rest assured of that. >> you want to give us some insight into the changes? >> no, i can't do that right now. plus, if i was good at prediction, i'd be in las vegas but i'm terrible at that. >> congressman yoho, down in florida, the temperatures are probably in the low to mid-70s right now, congressman, thank you. >> thank you. appreciate you having me on. have a great day. mother nature blasting the northeast with one last winter storm. we'll go live to beantown. we'll join anne thompson. and mr. roker is going to tell us how much longer this brutal blast of cold ice and snow will last. oh...not the smooch method!
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a late season storm pounding the northeast right now. a messy mix of snow and sleet and brutal winds gusting as high as 50 miles an hour. travel at a standstill, both on the roads and at the airports where some 6,000 flights have been canceled nationwide. snowfall totals were downgraded
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in the last few hours and many states of emergencies declared in new york, pennsylvania, connecticut, virginia, in maryland as well. "today" show host al roker tracking all of it for us. here in the city, not as bad as we thought it might be. >> right. and that was, again, the track of the storm that moved closer to the coast. we would have less snow here but more snow inland. and that's exactly what's going to happen. however, mayor de blasio announcing that there may be school tomorrow. what's on the ground now is going to freeze up solid because temperatures will start to drop. as you look, this area of pink, that's the mixing of freezing rain, sleet, snow and you can see in new york, they are still in it but we're seeing those changes happening along the connecticut coastline. we still have heavy snow and we've been watching indra peterson in nyack, new york.
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parts of eastern pennsylvania and going up into massachusetts, we'll be watching it there. there are the blizzard warnings for you. we still have snow happening. here's what we've seen so far. snowfall totals, philadelphia, almost 4. central park, 4 inches. we may get another inch or two of icy accumulation. nyack, new york, 18 inches. albany, 6. i think we'll see higher amounts in mt. pocono. boston so far seeing about 2 1/2 inches of snow. but that's going to come in here so here's what we were looking at. here's the storm track that was predicted and it would be off along the coast and the warm air would stay off shore and we have the cold air on top of us as the system moves to the east and up to the north. however, it moved more west and so with that it brought in the warmer, moisture air off the atlantic. you get a wintry mix but you stay inland. it's all cold air and that's where the heaviest snow hits. heavier snow from maine and to
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upstate new york, boston, it will change over. and wednesday morning, it ends but we're going to see frigid conditions for the morning and here's what we're looking for as far as accumulations additionally between now and tomorrow morning. newburgh, 10 to 14. providence, only 2 to 4. boston, 4 to 8 inches of more snow and new england, upwards of a foot. so that's going to be kind of interesting to see and then we still have windy conditions over the next several hours. up to 35, 40, 45, 50 miles per hour. blizzard conditions doesn't have to have the heavy snow. it just has to have blowing snow. >> spring is coming. >> yes. let's go to boston which is where the conditions are expected to get a bit worse by
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the end. anne thompson, we're talking about a foot of snow. what are you seeing there now? >> reporter: this is just how miserable it is. this is the plow that's been going through boston common and it got a flat. can you imagine having to change a tire in this weather? we're getting wind gusts that are very, very rong. kn snow it coming down at 2 to 4 inches p hour. it's miserable. i've found two very brave souls who are out in the midst of this. why in the world are you out in this and not home? >> i am fortunate to be able to leave work to go home early. >> reporter: were you able to work from home today? >> yes. >> reporter: ana, you work at a donut shop.
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did you have any business? >> we did. we had a lot of people coming in to get donuts and coffee. >> reporter: you were both here in 2015 when boston had that horrible winter. how is today after the blizzards in 2015? >> this is a brutal reminder of a tough winter. >> reporter: ana, does it bring back bad memories. do you feel like you have post-traumatic stress syndrome? >> a little bit. we thought we were in the clear and then have this just reminding us that, no way, it's still winter. >> reporter: thank you for being so patient and waiting. go home to the north and get warm, get dry. take care of yourself and we'll go check on our friends who are changing this on the plow. it looks like they've got it done. are you good to go?
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they still have some problems. anyway, we have power outages here in massachusetts. about 48,000 power outages at this hour. it seems to be doubling almost every hour because the snow is wet and heavy. and then you add those winds and it's going to bring down trees and power lines and make for what's going to be a miserable tuesday afternoon. craig? >> anne thompson for us there in boston and michael in beantown as well. good to see you. stay warm, my friend. be dudebunking the myths of republican health care plan. how many people will get coverage and can people get coverage even if they've been sick? ali velshi will break it down for us. these are new pictures from the white house from the state dining room. president donald trump meeting with the saudi deputy crown prince and defense minister.
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douglas holt aiken was a cbo
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director under president george w. bush. he runs a think tank whose nonprofit political arm is subpoena porpti supporng paul ryan's heah care bill. mick mulvaney said the cbo is good at counting money, not so much insurance coverage. first question, do you think that the numbers, these cbo numbers are accurate? >> i think it's incredible work as the cbo always does. that doesn't mean you can't have professional opinions about the judgments that they've made. it's hard to forecast the future. >> do you think there will be millions of americans who no longer have health insurance coverage if this becomes law? >> i think it's really
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constructive to look at 2018 where there will be 5 million fewer individuals and medicaid, 6 million fewer. that's one year from now. we still haven't phased out the affordable care act. the subsidies are still in place, premiums about the same. the difference is, people will have chosen to not buy health insurance because it's no longer illegal. and you have to ask yourself, is that a bad thing? they've chosen to do what is best for them. >> i want to play something that congressman brady said. as you know, he helped craft this bill. this is his rebuttal to the headline, 24 million losing coverage over a decade. take a listen. >> why aren't they being covered? and the answer lies in this report very clearly. when americans are free to not buy health care, they don't want and can't afford, they choose to exercise that freedom. >> so that's essentially what you just said there. >> that's right.
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>> do you believe that's what is happening here? these 24 million people are uninsured because they want to be? >> that's what cbo said. they said they've looked at it, they believe the mandates are a very important part of why people are covered and if you don't have the fact of being uninsured to be illegal, people won't buy the insurance. there's a public policy question there. that's for sure. there's also a research question. is the mandate that effective and getting people into new insurance pools and that's something that people disagree. >> we know from past experience with these 24 million americans, even if they don't have health insurance, they are going to get sick and when they get sick, they are going to go somewhere to seek care, whether it's a hospital or a 24-hour facility, so how do we fix that part of it? >> that part of it is a tiny part of it. we spend almost $4 trillion on health care in this country. that part of it is estimated to
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be something in the 20 to $30 billion range. if that's the only problem we have, we wouldn't have a national debate over the future of our health care system. we still have a system that spent too much money for low-quality out. coulds. it should be moved to a high value system and controlling that, the size of the national health care bill, is the best way to get the premiums under control because if the bill is going up, the premiums are going to have to cover it. >> we heard from congressman yoho at the top of the broadcast here and he indicated that the bill in its current form is going to be changed. any idea what kind of changes lawmakers will make to make this more palatable to the upper chamber? >> i don't know. people have talked about the cbo score and how it changes the nature of the politics and i guess i politely disagree with that. before the score and after the score, the republicans still need 218 in the house and 51 votes in the senate on the same piece of legislation. that's a stretch from the freedom caucus for someone like
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susan collins and it's a tough piece of legislation to write and it's going to be a tough piece to get the votes on. they are faced with the challenge of being the governing party where one must pass legislation and often it includes elements that individual congressmen and senators won't like and we'll see how that plays out. >> we mentioned that your sister organization, the american action network, running ads in support of the plan. this new round of tv ads out today is giving coverage to republicans in competitive districts to push ahead with repealing and replacing obamacare. what worry do you have that this is going to become a 2018 campaign issue? >> i'm not a campaign guy. i think you should ask those campaign guys but i've been around long enough to know that if you're running the house, the senate and the white house, you're going to have to run for re-election on your accomplishments and that means you have to pass legislation that improves the pun lick policy in america. that's a challenge they face. >> and you believe this piece of legislation does that? >> i believe it's a step in the
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right direction. it is not perfect. there are three phases to health care reform in 2017 and i believe health care reform is an ongoing process that will end in one year. >> and some say it's nonsense and political spin and will never happen. >> he's entitled to his opinion. i think if you look at the legislative piece, this is step one. health and human services, there's a lot of administrative actions with stabilized markets. and it will be the case that it attracting republicans and democrats because if there isn't, we'll have a continuing cycle of he health care reforms that's not good for the system or individuals and won't be good for america. we're going to have to get past that. >> thank you, douglas. >> thank you. democratic leaders blasting the gop health care plan as unamerican and wrong on capitol hill this morning.
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the gains made under e affordable care act could be reversed under the republican-backed replacement plan. according to the cbo, which estimates that millions will lose insurance, those numbers were released yesterday afternoon. i want to bring in florida democratic congressman debbie wasserman schultz. congressman, always good to see you. >> thank you, craig. >> some 14 million additional people could become uninsured next year. your reaction? >> you know, cbo has confirmed what both democrats and republicans knew were coming. the republican repeal and don't replace plan, also what will be known as trumpcare, will be devastating. devastating because of health care is taken away from millions of americas who gained it under the affordable care act and seniors will see their costs
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skyrocket. victims of cancer could face up to 30% addition nal premiums because countless people from the poor to elderly will be in a situation they can't afford their coverage while providing massive tax breaks and the largest transfer of wealth from middle class to wealthy people in history. >> the trump administration is disputing the results of the report. this is part of what health and human services secretary tom price said this morning on "today." take a listen. >> we disagree strenuously with the report that was put out. we believe our plan will cover more individuals at a lower cost and give them the choices that they want for the coverage that they want for themselves and for their family. not that the government forces them to buy it. >> obviously that wasn't on "today" this morning. that was at e whitehouse.
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what's your take? could the bo numbers be wrong? could they be misleading at all? >> well, the irony in secretary price disagreeing with the cbo numbers strenuously is that he appointed the director of the cbo. this is someone who he had respect for, who i presume they hired because they wanted to make sure that they had the strongest possible projections coming out of cbo and to add more irony, the white house actually projected even higher numbers of uninsured would result from their repeal and don't replace plan. so nothing they say is believable since day one. i was actually elected with tom price and he's been a long proponent to universal health care. the republicans don't support
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it. but the major irony here, craig, is that the insurance mandate and i the insurance mandate idea of it was conceived by the heritage foundation. one of the conservatives leading think tanks. this is something that they actually conceived. republicans and conservatives actually conceived. because they knew that the only way to make sure that we could really provide access to coverage for everyone is to put healthy people in the risk pool and spread that risk. when paul ryan did his dog and pony show, trotting out their plan last week, he essentially defined insurance. when he said that what obamacare does is have healthy people paying for sick people so they can get access to health care. yep, that's what insurance coverage is. and we need to make sure that we ntinue to provide access to
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with a non-insulin option, click to activate your within. ask your doctor about once-weekly trulicity. treacherous weather up and down the east coast impacting nearly 70 million people making travel an absolute nightmare. some 6,000 flights, more than 6,000 have actually been canceled into or out of u.s. airports today. nbc's tom costellois in laguardia in new york. earlier it looked like a ghost town. is that still the case? >> reporter: still is. but we've got good news, craig. look outside. look at the progress they've been making. we've been watching since 7:00 this morning.
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black top here on the ramp at laguardia airport. they've made tremendous progress. listen, you were talking about thousands of tons of snow to pick up off the ramp and off the runways and one more look outside and you won't see a single plane because they can't get in until the snow is removed and, therefore, you're asking yourself, will my flight leave today? highly unlikely if you don't have a plane here, you're not going anywhere. let's do some back peddling and throw up the graphic of the most affected airports. no surprise. all three airports in the new york city area are affected, really not moving at all. boston really not moving at all today. philly, we expect a pickup this afternoon or evening and washington, d.c., things started getting better this afternoon, hopefully by tonight things are back to normal. chicago has been struggling. let's come out live down the corridor inside this abandoned laguardia airport. they ought to be filming a "die hard" movie here.
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nobody is here. all of the arrivals are canceled. all of the departures, you've got to be very suspicis of anything that says "on tim" i think that's highly unlikely that you'll have an on time departure. we departure. we talked to american airlines, they are saying nothing is moving until tomorrow. everything here is canceled. if you need more affirmation, more signs that in fact nothing subpoena thatting and it's highly unlikely that you are going to have flights today. here's the chick in area at american airlines. it's empty, right? there is nobody here. there are no passengers. there are very few employees. it's not just american. i'm going to do a pivot and look down here. all the way down, virgin dow there, united do there, delta down there. there is nobody here in this airport. it's going to take all day for the three airports, jfk, la guardia and newark to get up and running. you saw how much know he they have to move.
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they don't have any planes out there. then they need to get planes back into position and up and running tomorrow. they are talking about noon tomorrow. same thing with boston, when they can get planes in and starting to move again. in the south, those are likely to pick up the pace later this afternoon and into the evening. we are at more than 7,000 flights canceled today and tomorrow and the ripple affect across the country. we talked to people who are stranded in miami today, stranded in minnesota today. they needed to come here, and they can't. you can see people nationwide are feeling the impact. >> i don't know if you really get stranded in miami. that seems like an oxymoron. it's miami. are you really stranded. >> you get stranded in nome, alaska, maybe not miami. >> tom, thank you, sir. we are again waiting on sean spicer for the daily white house briefings. we are expecting him to take the podium at the top of the hour.
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we will undoubtedly be getting lots of questions on the cbo report on the republican plan to replace obamacare. lots of myths out there about this, alley velshi has become our resident myth buster. we bring him in to drill down on the numbers and separate fact and fiction. >> i like the conversation you had with the republican congressman from florida. he was hospital about the fact he doesn't believe health care is a right. that's a philosophical difference. either you believe it is a right and you work out a plan like this or you don't. i want to work on some of the myths out there. first of all, republican congressman jim jordan and i had a conversation about free markets the other day. listen to this. >>ust one of those areas that a free mart doesn't work. it will work much better than it's working now, under a complete government control of health care for goodness sake. >> so, craig, this speaks to the conversation that you had. because if you believe in a free market system, that means no government interference, and that means a health insurance
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company sells policies based on your health. they ain't going to sell to sick people because sick people are bad for business. so are old people. myth number one. there are no entirely free market health insurance systems in the world. as i said yesterday. >> not one. >> or adjoining planets. none. not one. zero, nada. all developed countries have a single payer universal health care system, except for one. that one is the united states. of all developed countries, the united states comes out of the bottom in terms of health outcomes. we pay more, double the average for lower outcomes. now we had another conversation, this was steve kornacki talking to northern republican representative chris collins about selling insurance over state lines. listen to this. >> the cbo is not taking into account the huge difference it's going to make with competition across state lines and fundamental torte reform. competition across state lines. this is another saw we are seeing a lot about.
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there are no federal restrictions on selling insurance across state lines. zero, nada, zip. there were under obama. under aca, there were some things you had to meet if you wanted to sell across state lines. wellpoint and companies like that do. insurance companies don't want to and states control the sale of insurance in their states. >> why don't insurance companies want to do that? >> let's take the miami versus nome alaska that you were talking to costello about. if you are in florida and you want to sell insurance you have to develop relationships with provides, hospitals, doctors, all those sorts of things. that's why you see insurance providers growing regionally not nationally. you have to set up an infrastructure in nome. you have to get bigger to do it that way. it's not if you take out restrictions about going over state lines, policy premiums will go lower. there are no federal restrictions. there are state restrictions, which means tom price may not be able to do anything about that.
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one more i want to give you. this is omb director mick mulvaney. omb is a white house employee talking about premiums going down. listen to this. >> the numbers that i've seen in the first glance is that the cbo says that premiums will go down by at least 10% with this plan. >> no. mick mulvaney is a smart guy. i don't believe he said that they are not going down. premiums will not go down. the rate of increase will eventually slow. roughly speaking, premiums were going up 5 to 6% a year through to 2026. that's as far as we project. what will happen is in 2026, according to the cbo that number will be ten percent below 5.5%. so it will be 5%. they are not going to be lower than they are today. i'm surprised mick mulvaney said that. he said it many times. just not true. >> ali velshi, happy that you have been doing this for us. >> thank you. any moment sean spicer going
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that will do it for this hour of msnbc life. my colleague, katy tur picking things up right now. >> thank you, craig. right now, we are moments away from the daily white house briefing. and when press secretary sean spicer walks out we will bring
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it to you live. the gop's health care plan, will it cost 24 million people their health care? from the political storm in washington to the snowstorm that's slamming the east coast. er inially 7,000 flights are cancelled and power is knocked out for some 100,000 people. and it's not over yet. let's begin this hour in washington. republicans are tied in knots over the white house-backed health care clan. on one hand the cbo notes it saves billions of dollars. no pretty penny. on the other hand it puts white house republicans and even the white house in direct opposition of the declaration that no one would lose their health care. on the "today" show this morning they struggled to defend the bill. >> is it time for the legislation to level with the american people and say you know what, some people are going to lose their coverage? >> no. the fact of the matter is if you look at the whole plan what the

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