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travel ban, not one but two judges putting a stop to it. so what's next? and any minute we're looking at the house budget committee. this is a live look where they're looking to push through the health care plan. nancy pelosi any moment from that podium, later paul ryan. on set with me former assistant secretary of state and one-time state department spokesman p.j. cr crowley. the gangs all here. pete williams, walk us through what the yujudges are saying an what happens next for the white house, the department of justice and for people who are trying to travel? >> first of all, i apologize for being indoors. you all are freezing outside.
c >> no comment. >> secondly, the president said he's going to appeal the district court judge rulings against his executive order. both judges said it discriminates against muslims. they basically said that if you didn't get a visa under the revised executive order, there was this robust waiver program where you could go and try and get a waiver and it was premature to sue now because they might be able to go and get a waiver. that didn't work and the
question was was it religious discrimination. they said they can't ignore the comments made on the campaign and the surrogates made. now the fourth circuit court of appeals in virginia, which is where the decision from maryland will go. it's no doubt they will appeal it, i'm certain ask for expedited review and the order will remain on hold for at least the next several weeks here. >> i want to go to chris jansing for reaction from president trump. we know he was very fired up about this last night. >> reporter: yes, he was . you can see it. he was supposed to be talking
about the health care bill but he did a total flip and when he got passionate it was about going after these judges and these rulings. he said this is an issue of national security, it was an issue he ran on and continues to pursue. this is going to be an ongoing fight for this white house because this is something that the president thought sort of had been taken care of. one of the talking points after the first travel ban was that we've made these switches that will make the difference here. >> let me swing you ove as we keep an eye on what's going to happen with these legal battles, let's swing over to the budget issues. we're looking at big cuts, more spending on national security, less on some domestic programs. what do we expect to see today, tomorrow, over the next few
weeks from the white house sfw. >> they're going to mount a big defense. they know they're going to be heavily criticized because in is no less than remaking the entire priorities of how federal dollars are spent. mick mulvaney was on "morning joe" this morning and he said this is about reflecting the president's priorities, this is about hard power versus soft power. y can show you-- we can show yof graphics that show where this money is going. $54 billion defense budget increase, home land security gets more, veteran affairs gets more. where you see the budget numbers slashed, the epa down 31%, department of agriculture, food stamps and some programs that will immediately go away, heating assistance for low-income individuals, community block grants, pbs has put out a statement, the national endowment for the arts. this is setting up a big fight
and what is promising to be a long tigh long fight. they don't need the budget in place until october so this is going to be a long, drawn-out fight. >> you heard chris talking about hard power versus soft power budget. lots of money on defense, not on different aid programs to go overseas. tom, every federal agency will say we need more money but the pentagon is looking at over $50 billion. what are they going to do with that that they can't do now? >> officials will probably tell you they need more. tactically they think they have a readiness problem here.
this 10% increase isn't enough. they're talking about on capitol hill 640 billion. they have their allies on capitol hill. >> john mccain for example, right? >> they want combat brigades ready. three out of 15 brigades are what the pentagon says are combat ready. are they ready to fight tonight, can they ship out tomorrow morning? you'll see republicans on the house side making the case that the pentagon actually needs m e more. >> hans nichols joining us.
we have panch.j., jonathan, hei here. we're looking at potentially a 29% cut in the president's budget. let's be clear. the president isn't going to pass a budget on his own. he needs congress here. what would be the impact of slashing the state department budget by a third. >> agency of the government can reduce by 5% inefficiencies. by cutting by 29%, it's saying there's something you're doing now that you're not going to do in the future. we'll spend more money as we fight the wars in syria and iraq but we're going to spend less money in terms of how that as we retake land from the islamic stat how is tat land going to be governed, how are we going to rebuild an economy there, those funds will be reduced. secondly, a reduction in climate change funding. so from the trump
administration, you know, we don't recognize this is a proble problem, ergo we don't have support for that. and talking about refugees, for example, the need is growing and the united states contribution will be reduced. >> if you look at the budget, "america first," right on the front page. that's what the president has said -- >> if you look at the big picture, it's interesting the trump administration is taking the same approach to national security that it's taking to offense. more money owe offense, more money on defense but less money on prevention. this morning rex tillerson was talking in japan and he said -- >> pause because i have that sound bite. listen to what as p.j. is talking about secretary of state tillerson overseas in asia,
here's what he said. >> the level of spending that the state department has been undertaking in particular this past year is simply not sustainable. i'm confident with the input of the men and women with the state department we'll construct a way forward that allows us to be much more effect of, much more efficient and be able to do a lot with foo you aewer dollars. >> what do you think that will do to morale? >> i think the disconnect in what the secretary has said is the presumption is as america winds down its wars in iraq and afghanistan, by the way, there's no indication that's in time soon, the presumption is that the need for the state department goes away. the reality is the reverse. there will be a greater need for the state department to step in,
help with governance and reform and so forth. the government is presuming as war ends, state department funding goes down, that's not necessarily the way the real word works. >> heidi, i'm going to go to you on the big picture here. it's up to congress at this point. paul ryan is out talking about the need for reform
-- >> there's a lot of code in here. this morning when i heard mick mulvaney say this is just the nature of the beast, p.j., you will remember this goes back to reagan's budget director david stockman who said you have to starve the beast. this is it not about what we have to do, this is about a choice, it's about where the values of this administration are which is to take away from programs that benefit poor people, take away programs that help literally keep people warm, teak away from our environment and put it into defense. one of the big reports that came
out right after trump was elected was this report of just how much waste there already is within the defense department. we have cut this discretionary spending to such a bare bones state, we're at the lowest places since eisenhower. this is a path to something, this is a stepping stone. it's not that we have to cut these programs, it's that they don't like these social programs and this has been a decades-long effort. >> you're also hitting my little picture question, which is the impact on real people. when we look at entitlements and where this goes on capitol hill, i want to talk about the idea that this political unit is talking about this is a political man's budget, cut 20%, i don't care how you get there, just do it. >> it's not populism. >> there's two parts to it. one part, if you are going to look at it as an executive, you
would think the budget would balance. donald trump spoke a lot about the debt crisis during the campaign, how we're drowning in debt. fast forward a year we'll be sitting on your program and i guerin testify you president drut will not have done a thing to substantively changed the national debt. >> he's acknowledged that. mick mulvaney is saying this isn't going to balance. >> there's two parts to it. they're not going to touch mandatory. social security, entitlements. there's this fantasy in the house there might be some conversion in donald trump if the fiscal conservatives whisper to him loudly enough at night. it's not going to happen. >> the way that you sell it to people is that you have to cut these entitlement programs because we don't have the money. >> it's a matter of robbing
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so new this morning, former president obama's last chief of staff is no surprise denying president trump's unsubstantiated claim that his predecessor wiretapped trump power. >> the president does not order a wiretap, cannot order a wiretap, did not order a wiretap. >> the president is pointing out he didn't man it so literally. >> when i say wiretap, that's very literal. i think you're going to find very interesting items coming over the next two weeks. >> so more to come. heidi and jonathan are sticking here with me on set. phil, let's start with you. your paper is writing about this wiretapping claim today, the surveillance claim. the president clearly trying to expand the scope of all this.
is that going to change the backlash or reaction on capitol hill? >> potentially. but no matter what the president says to try to explain this, the reality is right now there is no evidence to support his claim that president obama ordered a wiretap on trump tower. you played that clip there where trump was talking about the word wiretap being in quotes. it was only in quotes in two places and he made a very blatant claim about president obama. >> the broader question to me seems surveillance more generally, his accusation of surveillance here by the federal government on trump tower, something that would be by most accounts illegal, right? is that the bigger question and the bigger picture? >> it is. i think the even bigger question than that is this investigation into russia, if there was some
surveillance going on at trump tower, what exactly were the intelligence agencies looking for? i'm hoping we'll get me answering out of the fbi director when he speaks publicly about this. trump is looking to any kind of evidence he can point to to support his claim. what we're not seeing happen from the president or his advisers is any sort of walkback. they're trying to double down to make the claim. >> you make the point this is a broader conversation about any of russia's interference with the election. james comey will be on capitol hill four days from now. it was interesting to see nikki haley come out and here's what she had to say. >> i don't think we want anyone meddling in our elections. that's why these investigations
have to matter. we have to find out exactly how involved they were and we should never be okay with that. >> so you would say you and the president are on exactly the same page in terms of your level of distrust for russia and vladimir putin? >> i would not say that. i'm not going to talk about where the president is because i don't know. i have always made it very clear from my conformation and in the words that i've said at the u.n. that i don't trust russia. >> heidi, what do you make of that? >> just in general i don't know why the president continues to push this and not lon ago say i made a mistake. he's calculating it worse to do that than double dog dare congress and the fbi to eventually come out with whatever information they may have to explain why they may have been surveilling trump tower, if in fact that's true. either way it's bad for the president but he's calculating that essentially there's -- if
these agencies come forward that somehow that is going to help him to show that they had probable cause to be surveilling trump tower if it's true. >> and more broadly on the russia investigations, what do you think we're going to see on the hill next week from james comey and other folks testifying on intel committee in. >> i think we're going to get more of a picture of hopefully who. we still doesn't really know. certain people have come forward. we know paul manafort this business connections in the ukraine, roger stone has been m implim kai implicated in this. we still don't have a clear idea of where these people sit in the vast russian security infrastructure. hopefully we get some clarity on that. >> as we sort of talk about all of this, phil, and against the background of national security, i want to touch on a piece you have written in "the washington
post" about dina powell being named the new deputy security adviser, this seems like ivanka trump exerting some experience. >> dina powell served at high level in the bush administration and she's very close to jared kushner and ivanka trump and i think her move into the national security realm just shows she's becoming a very powerful force within this white house, both on economic policy and on foreign policy. >> phil rucker, washington bureau chief of the "washington post," thank you for being with us. coming up, if he said it on the trail, it's in there. we're doing a little throwback thursday reminder of then candidate trump's budget promises and we're going beyond the headlines here. we're going to talk about what
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we are back now with a look at this morning's headlines. one employee of the international monetary fund in paris is hurt after an envelope exploded at the office. paris police say it was full of fireworks. about 150 people were evacuated from the imf and world bank offices. >> the kremlin is denying any involvement in that yahoo! hack after two russian intelligence officers were charged with stealing data from 500 million accounts. they say the stolen info was used to spy on a whole bench of targets, including the white house and military officials to try to scoop up political and economic intelligence. >> any minute now president trump is going to be hosting ireland's prime minister inside the oval office, one day before st. patrick's day. earlier today we saw the vice presidenwith the irish leader for friends of ireland breaast,verybody in green.
no surprise. also on the hill the president's budget will be delivered to congress. we are taking a closer look at that budget blueprint. what is it, what is out? democrats are really fired up on this with chuck schumer last hour calling the cuts devastating to the middle class. but none of us should be shocked. take a look. >> we are going to rebuild our military, it's going to be bigger, stronger, better than ever. >> the fat, the waste, the fraud, the abuse that we have in our budgets are horrible. >> the epa is killing you and killing your companies and losing your jobs. that's going to be turned and on day one. >> and, yes, we will build the wall. >> it's all there.
msnbc's ali velshi is here, too. we know the big headlines coming out of there are more money to defense, less money to domestic programs here at home. i want you to dig into the nil y -- nitty gritty. >> do me one favor, don't call it a skinny budget. it's a budget proposal, that's why they call it a skinny budget. veterans affairs. these are the gainers, veterans affairs, about $4.4 balance, school vouchers, we know betsy devos is into these and all of the candidates talked about opioid treatment, $550 million more into that. that all comes out of somewhere. this is the epa, 2.5 million, a third of their budget, haeealth and human services, the
department of education, 14% of its budget, the department of transportation losing 13% of its budget. mo eliminating funding for long distance amtrak routes, eliminating 175 million for commercial flights to rural areas. office of community services losing 4.2 billion and this is the low-income home energy assistance program for people who are poor when it gets cold, we're taking money out of that, senior and community services are gone, before-and-after school summer programs, $239 million cut from the irs and women, infant and children's programs are losing $200 million as well. i was changing this because there's so much more.
>> first of all, i'm going to have to replay that in slow motion. it seems like education, transportation, you talk about the regional airports, that could affect people outside the beltway. same thing as the arts. >> national institution of human tease are the art and corporation for public broadcasting. but not cut, completely wiped out. >> the idea is there is going to be somethingthat people will feel. people may feel something out of this budget potentially. >> i beg to differ this is what he campaigned on. yes, he said cutting out waste and fraud. i don't recall him saying i'm going to cut home heating oil, or programs to poor kids. he said i'm here to make it all better, i know how hard your
life is and now among the first acts or expressions of his commitment to that are to, one, cut their health care. we have the stats now, disproportionately red trump districts will be hurt by this new health care plan and to tack a whack out of these programs that serve these lower income areas. >> this is not going to make the lives of people who voted for donald trump great again. but my question to you, jonathan, like congress is going to authorize this, right? it's up to paul ryan. it's a political statement more than anything. >> joe biden used to have this saying a statement by his value, don't tell me your values, show me your budget. it's a devaluation of the state department and a massive escalation of the stick at the expense of the carrot. >> will paul ryan keep the
safety net for some of these people do you think? >> pbs, public broadcasting. >> and the second big part of this is we're seeing what that promise to drain the swamp really manse. -- means. it means getting rid of the career civil servants who dedicated their lives to specific issues to try to better the community. let's explain what discretionary means. where we're cutting are investments on our future. it's not just poor people, it's investments in transportation and educating the next generation of children. >> mick mulvaney was asked about the idea that members of the federal workforce will lose their jobs. his answer was essentially we're not makinghis budget for people who live in the beltway. >> people said what's going to happen to property prices in
d.c. d.c.? and mulvaney said we don't care. i don't think there are going to be -- if you look at polling on foreign aid, there are not going to be too many tears should inside america over the slashing of the foreign aid budget. take aside the morality of doing it but as a pure measure of of popularity, it's not going to be a popularity. when people think in the abstract of the federal workforce. it's not a huge loser for trump voters but it's interesting to look at the prespin and yesterday there were two things mulvaney said i thought was having, showed what he was anxious about, one is they're cutting infrastructure out of the department of transportation budget and the second is trump promised to rebuild the inner city. they're cutting the hud budget. that's another thing they're clearly trying to get out in front of and saying this is wasteful, this is duplicative. >> two smart points i think will be followed up on later this
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. we have breaking news that happened just during the commercial break. the committee has passed the republican plan to repeal and replace obamacare. what was the vote? 19-17. three republicans voting no. if you watched this program yesterday, you know we talked about only four republicans could end up defecting, so it's not as though this is necessarily a slam dunk. i want to bring in kasie hunt to put this into perspective. i also got jonathan and heidi here on set. kasie, how big a deal is this? >> reporter: it's actuay little built surpriit surprisin.
we were expecting this hearing to go on for several hours. one thing to break down this tally, 19-17. republicans felt like they could lose up to four people and that could potentially jeopardize this health care bill moving forward. dave brat of virginia voted no, gary palmer of alabama, mark sanford of south carolina, they've all been vocal in their opposition to this. dave brat, as you might remember, is now occupying former leader kantor's seat. he won that seat in something of a surprising loss. at this point we knew there weren't going to be major changes in the budget committee vote. it was just a question of whether or not it actually moved forward. now it will go to the rules committee, which is where they could actually make significant changes in capitol hill parlance it's called the manager's amendment. they could replace language
going through the committees based on what's going on today. there could be scrambling going on up here as well. the vice president has been very involved. they're trying to figure out how they get to 216 votes. i asked the house speaker whether or not he could guaranteed this could be on the floor next week. now they're saying go talk to the majority leader, but the reality is i don't think you could expect to see this on the floor unless they know they have the votes that they need. at this point it's still an open question, even though it's more likely that it will go through here than it will go through the senate. >> number one, the white house has said that the president is obviously aware of this manager's amendment working with as you say about the parlance coming in the rules committee, working with lawmakers on that but the other part of that is you're seeing and we've been seeing senators issuing this warning to republicans in the house saying this might not clear our cham bears soon't waste your political tap tall on
it. >> none of us ran on that, no conservative is for his plan and so i think his plan's's dead on arrival. my hope is that it never leaves the house. >> so senator paul's been everywhere with that message. is it swinging house republicans? should paul ryan be worried about it? >> hallie, to a certain extent it is causing paul ryan some headaches. tom cotton's language was don't walk the plank here. they trust mitch mcconnell's ability to get everyone on board here, and this broad argument that we ran on this, you're either going to get tagged as voting for or against the obamacare repeal based on this bill. they're counting on that to
work. again, it's a very careful balancing act. i was talking to one member of the tuesday group yesterday, that's the moderate group in the house as opposed to the freedom caucus, which is on the more conservative side. there they were saying there's a lot of tension between what those two groups want. how they're able to thread that needle i think is going to be critical tthis going forward. kasie hunt over on capitol hill. kasie's doing that thing where she's standing in the room where paul ryan will be in maybe five minutes from now. i want to go to jonathan and heidi. what is paul ryan's next move? what does he do now? he sort of acknowledged that he's got to revise this bill to revive it, jonathan. >> yeah, there's been some in i'd say the last 24 hours. i was talking the last four, five days to both senior administration officials and to people in slaedership and there
was a real divide. the administration was always much more flexible, much more willing to negotiate. >> telling outside conservative groups -- >> totally. >> and there was a much more rigidity in leadership, we're not going to shift on this or that and now it's a more open question. what actually moves net votes. what little dials can we turn that will really shift people. they're in a diabolical situation because the bill as it stands is already too conservative to pass the senate and it's probably not nearly conservative enough to pass the house. >> diabolical situation seems terrifying. >> you look at who they have to negotiate with to make those tweaks. it's essentially -- they are the most conservative faction of the house. so any changes would presumably be they object to the subsidies, or the medicaid not being rolled
back quick enough. those are the exact same things that the senate republicans who are moderates are most concerned about. now, when you move to the politics of the senate there, it so tight you can only afford to lose two republican senators, a number of them are already on the record. so even if they can muscle this through the house, their fateis very unclear in the senate. i think pelosi and all the other democrats who want a big comeback in 2018 are saying come on, house republicans, press that button, we have our attack ads ready for 2018. >> coming up tonight, paul ryan will join chuck todd to talk about the new health care bill and talk about everything washington. when we come back, we've got more news for you including some news from down along the border. what do you have for us coming
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so as we watch for a news conference over on capitol hill from speaker of the house paul ryan, we're watching also for new developments after a shooting overnight, three men shot, one killed, after somebody opened fire on their fishing boat. paul ryan is speaking now. we're going to listen in. >> i have the privilege of hosting the annual friends of ireland luncheon. this is tradition that dates back to ronald reagan and tip o'neill. i i p can't tell you how much i look forward to welcoming the president and the irish prime minister. it's going to be good food, good company and knowing me, some fairly lame jokes. today, though, the house budget committee took up the american health care act. it is the third committee to debate this bill as part of our ongoing open and transparent and regular order process. we look forward to strong support there, putting us another step closer toward
keeping our promless to we and lastly, as we have said from the start, repeal and replace lab step-by-step approach. that is why yesterday the marriage leader announced that the house will begin considering additional legislation. these include reforms like eliminating the anti-trust protections that keet more competition. that will help make sure that people are not left with, allowing small businesses to pool together across the country, giving our small businesses more purchasing power so they'll have more choices and lower costs it helps cut down on defensive medicine, which is another way we can lower costs and increase choices. s they are just a few of the
dieies, that are we cannot advance all of them through the wreck sill process is. that's why we're acting on tree po first, we pass our bill to repeal obamacare's taxes, mandates and spenting better, patient-centered, market. third, we pass additional reforms, as i just mentioned, and there are other behind that to further lower costs and increase faces for family. we are very cl we made a promise to repeal and remace obamacare.
yes. p prp. >> i thought you were going to ask me an obamacare question. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> well, i've already answered the question about whether or not the rapp occurred. i think devin nunez and i. but after we heard about this, we did see a number of pressure reports that made this allegation and made this suggestion. so, yeah, those brett reports -- this is something i was unaware of until we did see a few pressure point on this.
the point is the intelligence committees in their continuing, ongoing investigation of all things russia got to the bottom at least so far with respect to our intelligence community that knows such wiretapping existed. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> i didn't see his interview. each said that president obama wiretapped his office. >> no, that's what i said, we've cleared that up. we've seen no evidence of that. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. so end of the fiscal year, we're at cap level. i don't see a big issue there. we just got the president's budget submission this morning. i'm encouraged by the notion that we're going to begin
rebuilding our military. it's something we believe in fixing. so they just got this process started. this is a ng, ongoing process, the very beginning of the budget process. no, independent not worried about the end of the year. august 28th is where the funding lapses, i'm not concerned about that. i think we'll hit our benchmarks. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> this is news. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> i spoke with the president about a half hour ago. i speak with him pretty much every day. i spoke with him twice yesterday. we are clearly in sync on this. i got to tell you, i am very pleased and very excited and i got to tell you, it's something i haven't seen in a lot time. this president is getting deeply
involved, helping bridge gaps in our conference, a constructive force to help us get to a resolution so we get consensus on how to repeal and replace obamacare. we're working hand in glove. now that we have our score we can make refinements and improvements based upon the feedback we're getting through our members and the president of the united states is mediating this, bringing people together, sitting around a table, hashing out our differences so we can get to a consensus document. the goal is to get to a bill that we can pass and that actually is great policy and the president is playing a very kubtive role in this -- construct of role in this, hand
in glove -- >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> he's unorthodox and it's very helpful in man mking it easier helpful for us to pass health care. his negotiating skills are bringing people together so we have a bill we can pass, get consensus on and make good on our promises. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> sure, that's unorthodox. here what here's what i see. the president has a connection with individuals in this country. he goes -- no offense, but he goes around the media and connects with people individually. this is a power we haven't seen since ronald reagan. what this president is showing is he knows how to connect directly with people.
that helps us bridge gaps in congress and get republicans unified so we can deliver on our proms. that is extremely constructive. ca carrie. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> there really isn't. we talk about this fairly often, the president and i do. i would say that there is no palace intrigue divisions between the principals. i can't speak for low-level staffers, i can't speak for outside groups but the princi l principa principals, the chief of staff, the vice president, the budget director, hhs secretary, we're all on the same page. we talk constantly. of course you're going to have this chattering class stuff, that just happens in this day
and age. it's something that, a, isn't true, isn't intimidating or daunting to us to us. i'm excited that we have a president who likes closing deals, who thinks bold, thinks big and wants to act and wants to ge to us the finish line and he's been very constructive in doing this. >> reporter: >> so what c.b.o. says is we'll bring market stabilization in the interim. we're not going to just end it tomorrow and nobody has anything. it will teak time for markets to stand themselves up and offer new products in a new, deregulated free market setting. not only are you going to have catastrophic double digit increases again -- whenny
reforms kick in, premiums go down and this is before we get to phase two or three. the c.b.o. estimates show when reforms kick in, it brings premiums down. so we're very confident that this bill, which already shows will lower premiums, combined with the things that pris let me go back to one thing and it's hard to quantify. we had a good risk pool in wisconsin. utaha good risk pool. had you have a risk people that covers the ctastrophic cost of people with catastrophic ins all other insurance products don't have to price that