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what are they going to win next? that does it for us tonight. we will see you on monday. mss in nbc live is next. good morning. i'm dare are dara brown in new . here is what is happening. health care bust. the drama in the nation's capital ended in a bitter loss for the president as his bill to repeal and replace never gets a vote. we're learning more about the back story, how efforts by president trump and paul ryan failed to get enough republicans on board. but what is next? the other big battle in congress, top members of the intelligence committee in an unusual back and forth and where does the truth lie. a great divide over neil gorsuch. will that end in a bitter fight, as well? all that right now on msnbc live.
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day 65 of the trump administration and it is marred by the collapse of the president's repeal and replace health care bill that appeared as a sloe moving draw in a on capitol hill. bottom line, the bill never reached the house floor for a vote. president trump said he told paul ryan to pull the measure in the afternoon. the president and gop do not intends to take up health care in the immediate future. instead the president says he intends to tackle tax reform next. for the latest on how the health care saga unfolded, here is hallie jackson. >> reporter: the party in power divided when it mattered as republicans revolted around xroe compromise on something seven years in the making, getting rid of box c.a.r.are obamacare. >> perhaps the best thing that could happen is what happened. >> reporter: but 63 days after he signed one of his first executive orders, the president in the end unable to close this deal.
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his biggest political defeat yet. but not to him. >> i think that this is going to end up being a good thing. >> reporter: paul ryan clearly disappointed. >> i spoke to the president and i told him that the best thing i think do is to pull this bill and he agreed with that decision. >> obamacare remains the law of the land. is that going to change in 2017? >> we did not have quite the votes to replace this law. and so yeah, we'll be living with obamacare for the foreseeable future. >> reporter: republicans are left to reflect on how it all fell apart in a day that started with donald trump insisting negotiations are over, time to vote. at roughly the same time on capitol hill, lawmakers delivered fiery speeches. >> vote no. we can do better. >> this bill is a travesty and the american people will pay the price. >> reporter: by midday, 34 republicans opposing or leaning against the bill. 12 more than the gop could afford to 12:30, a meeting with
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spicer on preemptive defense. >> the president and team have left everything on the field. >> reporter: the 34r5irs scrambling all afternoon with the vice president leaving a closed door meeting meant to sway the very conservative freedom caucus. >> do you think you have the votes? >> reporter: mike pence had hoped to win over that voting bloc with negotiations like cutting back mandated coverage, but every concession to hard liners minute risking the support of more moderate republicans. mark med adows tight lipped. >> this is more about really our nation and it's serious, so i don't want to make anymore comment. >> reporter: by 4:00 p.m., paul ryan pulling the bill, the backlash and blame game just beginning. >> the losers are nancy pelosi and chuck schumer because now they own obamacare. >> reporter: those party leaders instead celebrating what they call the win.
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>> today a victory for the affordable care act, more importantly fors american people. >> joining me now, kate mar tell and kevin cirilli. great to have you both. kate, let's start with you. who lost more, house speaker ryan or president trump? >> you know, a lot of people are blaming speaker paul ryan right now saying that this is -- he's the one that pushed it through at such an accelerated time line, but i see this is more of a major defeat for president trump as running as a deal maker, this was his first major legislative deal. he came off this is a congress run by his own party, this was just passing it by one chamber again run by his own party and this is on health care. this is something that republicans have been bragging about for the past half decade trying to get through. so i see it as a major get for him and now that as we look into tax reform, they will be heading in with a bunch of bruises trying to figure out how they can go forward.
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and the numbers will be even more tricky for republicans now. they were banking to having the one trillion to work with from obamacare bill to then be able to go in about to tax reform and be able to lower taxes. so i see this as a defeat obviously for both, but i think imts it's worse for donald trump. >> and kevin, here is the president saying yesterday that he's still optimistic about reforming health care. >> perhaps the best thing that could than is exactly what happened today. because we'll end up with a truly great health care bill in the future after this mess known as obamacare explodes. >> are is this really the best thing that could happen for the president and the country and how is this going to play out? >> no,s i would agree with kate's point. but here is the would the line. house speaker paul ryan saying at that press conference yesterday where he was essentially saying that this was not what he had envisioned, that he had spoken earlier in the day with treasury sect steretary st mnuchin and that they will be
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able to get to tax reform by using squeaks in the procedural murder delg hurdle. but the bottom line is this has been a tough week for president trump and for this administration because this was a campaign promise that every campaign rally that i wind to covering donald trump on the campaign trail he would say along with several republicans that he would vow to repeal and replace parts of the affordable care act or obamacare. but now the congressional reality is that the house freedom caucus emboldened by the likes of senator rand paul, ted cruz, mike lee, they were the political puppeteers working behind the scenes because earlier this week when the house freedom caucus members went to the white house to sit down with president trump as he tried to negotiate a deal, as soon as they left the meeting, they were all working in the background trying to urge house freedom caucus members to stay together to continue to oppose this deal. so this is an emboldened tea party, this is an emboldened group of conservative senators in the senate and those are the real ones who will be now at the
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deal table and moving forld because clearly house speaker paul ryan was not able to get that whip operation in line. >> so is there any consensus on how they could have left this unfold this way? the president has not been exposed to this political demean washington, so was thereation t this way? >> yes, at this point it's been looking like this would happen with health care and i think looking forward it will be interesting to see how do they handle future issues, that obviously this way doesn't work, obviously the president and paul ryan can't huddle, come up with a plan that they agree on and thin try to make it like kevin was saying have the freedom caucus agree to it. that's not going to happen. so we did kind of see this coming that there is no consensus in the republican party about thousand structure and replace obama care. now, they have two options going forward.thousand structure and replace obama care. now, they have two options going forward. one is as to let obamacare die
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and blame dwmemocrats. they can do that by not enforcing the mandate and a lot of the obamacare laws. and now, that comes with some risk. that means that voters in 2018 and 2020 may blame republicans if they do let it fail and people lose their health care. now, the other option i see is that they can own it, they can -- that republicans and trump can say hey, this is the law of the land now, like speaker paul ryan said, let's work with what we have in the meantime. because they will be blamed. there are small changes that we can see them making. but they have do somethito do s because if they just let it ride out, i don't think it will be good for them at the ballot boxes in 2018 and 2020. >> and the other big story that we're following, the questions about the bombshell revelations about the house intelligence committee. this week devin nunes revealed that he had seen evidence that president trump's aird oigs and
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possible even mr. trump himself were monitored by the u.s. during the transition. now he's backtracking. peter alexander has details. is. >> reporter: the republican chair of the house intelligence committee devin nunes now saying he's not sure if president trump and his associates were monitored by u.s. spies or just mentioned by foreigners under surveillance. >> we don't know until -- we won't know that until we actually receive all of the documentation. >> reporter: it's a dramatic reversal from the certainty nun nunes said earlier. >> i have seen reports that clearly show that the president trump and his team were i guess at least monitored. >> reporter: president trump at the time saying that he felt vindicated. >> i somewhat do, i must tell you, i somewhat do. >> reporter: so given the fact devin nunes doesn't know if the president was monitored or even mentioned, what was he vindy
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indicated by? >> there are documents out there showing that people were surveilled or monitored. >> reporter: and tonight new sign that the investigation into the possible russia connection but supposed to be by part soon is an is breaking down. the intelligence committee's top democrat already upset nunes took his revelations to the president before consulting his colleagues. now accusing nunes of trying to choke off public information by canceling a hearing. >> there must have been a strong push back from the white house. it's hard for me to come to any other conclusion. >> reporter: instead nunes announcing that the committee will ask directors of the fbi and national security agency do back and that former trump campaign chairman paul manafort whose ties to russia are under scrutiny is volunteering to be interviewed. peter alexander, nbc news, the white house. >> let's bring back the panel. kevin, you were at the briefing. give us a sense of the mood after what paired to be a reversal from what the chairman
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had said 48 hours ago? >> i asked chairman nunes, i said does this mean that paul manafort and the other previous trump campaign liaisons will be called to testify publicly. because all of the democrats that i speak with on that committee, that's what they want to have happen. and i can tell you that what the chairman said is that he said right now it's just going to be a private interview. but there is growing pressure that these folks testify publicly. and i can also tell you that roger stone has said in a statement that he is welcoming that opportunity to testify publicly before the committee. but there is growing calls not only from democrats but also from outside groups for something of a more -- a bigger development to develop. and i can-of will tcan -- the d calling for someone to appoint a special prosecutor. they feel this is too overly politicized. next week hearings will be under way on the senate side and
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directory comey as well as top u.s. intelligence xhit xhcommun officials will testify similarly. when we talk about tax reform, health care, the fact that these conversation are still being had on intelligence committees led by republicans only would add to the notion that republicans are still asking these questions in addition to democrats. that means that potentially president trump could have weakened political capital because so many republicans such as senator lindsey graham, senator john mccain continue to ask questions about this. >> and kate, how damaging is that statement from nunes? >> it's damaging. first of all, nunes, yes, by leaking some of the classified information does not bode well. yes, it's intel against tellige for us to know what is going organization but to can accept the meeting does not bode west well.
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and considering that he and adam schiff had a good working relationship, its eye showing that yes, they have this working relationship and schiff is still coming to these conclusions. but it does not look good for nun nunes. >> great to have you here. piecing together what happened in london this week. why teaching english classes may be a clue to understanding where the attacker chose to kill. the attacker chose to kill. y the room or how high the pollen count, flonase allergy relief keeps your eyes and nose clear. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances that cause nasal congestion and itchy, watery eyes. for relief beyond the nose. flonase. even if you're trying your best.be a daily struggle, along with diet and exercise, once-daily toujeo® may help you control your blood sugar. get into a daily groove. ♪ let's groove tonight. ♪ share the spice of life. ♪ baby, slice it right. from the makers of lantus®,
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now back to the fallout after the trump administration loses its first political test, pulling the republican health care bill just minutes before a final vote. kelly o'donnell is at the white house for us. and i know you've been following this closely. what do they do now? >> reporter: good morning. that is a real big question today, how to turn the page from a big defeat.
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so wa new challenge for the whie house is no longer repeal and replace, but recover and rebound. can the trump administration sort of get back on its feet after the president has lost his first attempt at big legislation. and of course repealing obamacare was the defining campaign message for republicans for years. and they came up short. so today democrats certainly feel this is a victory, a law that is part of their dna will stand. and just about everyone else is asking what now. this morning the president's eye is already on his next target. >> i would say that we will probably start going very, very strongly for the big tax cuts and tax reform, that will be next. >> reporter: president trump may be eager to shake off a stunning defeat. >> vote no, we can do better. >> reporter: while house speaker paul ryan seemed to absorb the body blow. >> i will not sugarcoat this, this is a disappointing day for us. >> reporter: after all the campaigning, the negotiating, all the touted deal making
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skills, failing to get the republican party to pass a core republican promise notably left the president trump at least briefly humbled. >> we all learned a lot. we learned a lot about loyalty, we learned a lot abolt about th getting processed. >> reporter: some ever that learning delivered by the freedom caucus. their home districts are trump country. >> i'm disappointed because we could have had it. i'm a little surprised. >> reporter: and speaker ryan who argued for weeks that this was the conservative's only chance to succeed on a promised repeal, kept his cool. >> well yorks wouldn, i don't w blame. there is a bloc of no votes that we had that is why this didn't pass. >> reporter: and kept it real. >> we'll be living with obamacare for the foreseeable future. >> reporter: is president trump who met with 120 lawmakers to
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win their support distanced himself from any blame. despite his own immediate repeal promises. >> i never said repeal it and replace it within 64 days. >> reporter: and he said fault lies with democrats. >> i think the losers are nancy pelosi and chuck schumer because now they own obamacare, known it 100%. >> reporter: those party leaders celebrating a victory, perhaps the happiest they have looked since november 7. >> today a victory for the affordable care act, more importantly for the american people. >> reporter: and willing they say to work with president trump who hinted his deal making may look toward democrats next time. >> if they got together with us and got a real health care bill, i'd be totally open to it and i think that is going to happen. >> reporter: so the president reaching out to democrats and will they be able to come together on anything now. certainly democrats feel good about being able to protect a
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law that they believe is good not only for their constituents, but for the country. and for president obama's legacy. what stands out, too, is that president trump and speaker ryan each said good things about each other, so their relationship seems to be in pretty good shape right now. and that remains important for anything else they try to accomplish that involves both the white house and capitol hill. but this morning there really are a lot of questions about how does this white house sort of shake this off, move forward, and can they succeed on bringing the party together to get things done when on something that was so central to their message just didn't come together. >> kelly o'donnell, thanks so mu much. overseas now in london where new details are emerging about the suspect in wednesday's deadly attack outside parliament. this as a massive investigation continues including more than 1,000 interviews and several arrests. nbc's matt bradley is in london with details.
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good morning to you. what more are we learning about the suspect? >> reporter: good morning. the latest revelations from this sprawling investigation are that khalid masood, the perpetrate, to visited saudi arabia three times, most recently in 2015. today soul searching in britain, a nation pondering how a popular boy became a terrorist killer. >> he was always very friendly to everybody. i think he wanted to be liked. >> reporter: one uk can paper this morning calling him the middle class jihaddy. masokhalid masood was shot dead after running over three people on a bridge, including kurt cochran, an american celebrate willing his wedding anniversary. he then stabbed to death a police guard. he went by several aliases and did time in multiple prisons. that's where he's thought to have converted to iz lachlslam. investigators poring over the
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evidence, interviewing witnesses and searching properties. but thoo that sweeping drag nat now narrowing. of the 11 arrested, only two remain in custody as police ponder the crime, they are raising new questions about tactics. >> we will work to assess whether a different tone or balance is necessary. >> reporter: more than 90% of british police remain unarmed, but they have doubled their armed presence in the capital. american tourists in london say they still feel safe. >> it wouldn't have made any difference if more had been armed considering the man wasn't holding a gun either. and i feel completely safe knowing that they aren't armed right now. >> we want to dedicate this to kurt. >> reporter: for the american tourist that was killed, all that is left for family and friends in salt lake city is a legacy to remember. and as you can see, it's a beautiful day here in down down london, the area filled with
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welcome back. as we approach the half hour, here is what we're monitoring. breaking news this las vegas, t multiple suspects reportedly tried to rob a high end jewelry store smashing glass to enter the shop. this is possibly video of the suspect and police say that they fled the scene to a park garage. these are images from social media. reports of an active shooter quickly began to spread, but
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police have since confirm abouted that there was no shooting and no injuries. right now no word if any arrests have been made. it is also unclear if the suspects got away with any merchandise. on capitol hill, the investigation into the trump campaign's possible ties to russia is moving forward. even as its leader shuts down one of the president's key claims. >> i've been very clear there was no -- as a matter of fact, i've been very clear on this foe many weeks now, there was no wiretap going of trump tower. it appears like this was all legal, okay? it looks like it was all legal surveillance from what i can tell, but intel we get the documents, i won't know for sure. >> let's bring in intelligence and that is al security reporter ken delaney. good to have you this morning. >> great to be with you. >> so ken, how significant is it that nunes categorically denying existence of a wiretap and what are the implications of that for
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the rest of the investigation? >> that is not terribly significant because fbi director james comey had already made that clear. we have long understood there was no wiretap. but the news of last week was that devin nunes essentially blew up the independence of the house investigations by his actions and words. what happened is he had a pair of news conferences where he said he had seen surveillance reports in a appear to have monitored, he used the phrase monitored trump and his associates at frour. and he went to the white house and handed these reports to president trump and then he had another news conference. he did this without consulting dnls on t democrats on the committee and then he acknowledged that trump may not have been monitored after all, these may have been foreigners talks to foern forei that mentioned donald trump and his aides which is a whole different kettle of fish. this happens all the time the nsa listening to foreigners and
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they talk about merns. so democrats are furious. nunes says he has concerns about how the surveillance was shared around the government. those are legitimate concerns for him to be raising, but the way he did it has ruffled fe feathers in washington. >> and here is nunes from a few days as go saying he had, quote, dozens of reports about surveillance of the trump team. take a listen. >> there is a lot of information in the reports that i've seen which were dozens that would lead me to believe that the last administration and numerous agencies had a pretty good idea of what president-elect trump was up to and what their transition steam was team was u. >> so how does this tack up to on what we heard yesterday? >> let me explain. the national security agency is eavesdropping on foreigners all over the world and some in the united states. and when they do it in the united states, they get a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance court. when foreigners talk to other foreigners and they talk about
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americans, the names of those americans are supposed to be blacked out in intelligence reports when they circulate around the government. sometimes they can be unmasked. and what nunes is saying is i saw some reports that mentioned some trump people, some of them were unmasked. i wasn't sure whether that was appropriate. but of course this was occurring the presidential transition dwhen foreign edge bass cities would be talking to their capitals about who is going to get what job, who is up, who is down, what is donald trump going to do. perfectly normal stuff that the nsa would be picking up. so there is really no scandal here. and democrats are scratching their heads about why nunes did this in this way. and the other point to make about this is that donald trump is the president of the united states. he could order any of these surveillance reports sent to his desk tomorrow. he doesn't new devin nunes to learn about this stuff. so it raises a lot of questions about why it was done in this fashion. >> and certainly a busy week ahead with everybody the committees being back on the hill. deny k ken delaney, thanks so much. back now to the failed gop health care bill and it's dubbed
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as president trump's first major legislative defeat. but what do trump voters think about this? vaughn hillyard has been on the road speaking to trump supporters and he's in wichita kansas this morning. what are you hearing out there? >> reporter: good morning. wichita kansas is trump country, and yesterday afternoon and last night, talking with voters around here, trump voters overwhelmingly, you constantly heard from them was we don't even understand exactly what this bill was. reminder, it was introduced rest than three week as go and congress and you ask can for detail they said they haven't heard them from president trump. this is some of their sound. >> so convoluted, solved not enough people's problems in general that it didn't even get a chance to take off. >> i think it really needs to be voted on because it needs to be changed. it's not working. they should be voting on it,
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fixing things like trump said he was going to. >> they very much need to communicate better. because we need to know what their plans are. we need to know what are you replacing it with. are you just going to take it away and not give us something in return or are you going to take away and give us something equal or better that is affordable to the people that need the insurance. >> reporter: now, there has been much talk about the build up and pushing of this bill. donald trump visited only one state to tout this health care replacement bill, that was last week when he visited kentucky. and if you look at town halls, most of the town halls that senators and congressmen and women had around the country actually took place before this bill was introduced. and in a lot of places like here in kansas, there was no such town recall for people to ask questions to express their doubts, concerns. >> adam thierer: wishes for this potential bill. i spent the last two weeks over in places like louisiana, mississippi, texas, oklahoma in the days leading up and constantly what you heard from individuals was, yes, trump
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supporters saying we oppose the affordable care act, they blame it on increased deductibles, higher premiums, but they great care. i stopped by a free health clinic here where primary areally the working uninsured go, people that don't quite qualify for medicaid because they make too much money, but they also do not have the funds they believe in their budget in order to buy into health insurance. and a place like that takes care of them. >> vaughn hillyard, thanks for the report. great to have you this morning. and next, we ask our strategist who got hurt by the health care blow? the president or paul ryan. and in our next hour, will obamacare really explode? an expert on the health care system joins thom on as roberts our next hour to talk about that.
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for the trump white house. the gop health care bill pulled before a vote on friday. and here's how it all played out hour by hour before the big announcement. >> i can can tell you the big news is we're trending yes. >> well, i think this bill will pass today. >> i am going to vote against it, though, because it is one of the worst bills i have seen in my 30 years as a county commissioner, legislator, district attorney and now congressman. >> i am a no and i really do not know the outcome of the vote. >> it's very close, still winnable. it could go either way. but i think pulling it would be a mistake. >> i feel really good, you know, so we're going to continue to work as late as we can to get the votes. and as i said, the up side is that we continue to pick up votes. people continue to say that they want to be with us. the question is can we get too 216. >> i spoke to the president and i told him i think that we should pull the bill and he agreed. >> president trump who chose to stay in washington this weekend is not looking back.
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he's switching gears to a new campaign promise, tax reform. >> programs terhaps the best th could happen is whand today because we'll end up with a great health care bill in the future after this mess known as obamacare explodes. >> joining me now, joe watkins, rick tyler, and zerlena maxwell. great to have you three this morning. so joe, how big of a blow was this for the president? mark halperin put this way. >> i think that this will put on doubt on their entire domesticed jen toda agenda. >> this is an embarrassing get.
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they couldn't even get a vote in the house of represent tifds. >> joe, go y do you agree? >> yeah, it's certainly a get for donald trump and for paul ryan. maybe a bigger defeat for paul ryan and the top three republicans who were responsible really for getting the votes that they need to pass legislation. so this is a defeat for them. but as i've said all along, needed to work with dems. you have to work with dems swellings republicans. you have to have a broad coalition of support to really best serve the american people. this bill would have looked different anyway if it had passed and gone to the senate. it would have been changed anyway. you have to address medicaid expansion. you can't leave out work poor people and people who are drug addicted and the folks least article to provide for themselves. you have to have a way to take care of those folks. and you have to be talking to democrats about how to get that done. so it's a defeat. >> rick, weigh in here.
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how realistic that they can actually work together and work with the democrats to get something passed? >> i think it's a little difficult right now. there is hyper partisanship. this bill failed for several reasons. one, it was a bad bill, two they fried to pass it off as repeal and replace, and it was not. it was an amendment to obamacare done threw reconciliation. and it is definitely a defeat for trump because he made this campaign promise virtually every stop he made that he was going to repeal and replace obamacare. and it wasn't realistic. and so on political experience is a hard teacher, it gives a test first and lesson later. >> you say it was a get fdefeat trump, but what about paul ryan? >> what paul ryan should not have ever done, was to punt a bill that had 17% approval rating. you're not going to win that way band then you have a president with a 37% approval rating. so he doesn't have any political capital. so when he went to capitol hill
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to try to convince the freedom caucus in particular because that's where he needed to get the most votes, he didn't have the kind of can't that you would need. he also wasn't plildly olitical aligned with the freedom caucus. many times the president goes to the hill to get votes because it's i've been there with you the whole time, we're all politically aligned and i'll be there for you. i don't think any of that an applied to trump. >> zerlena, president trump said maybe this is for the best. what is your view? >> that is interesting spin, but after seven years, republicans weren't even able to put a bill on the floor to repeal and replace obamacare. because the truth is they really didn't have anything to replace bochl c.a.r.e. with this entire time. it was just political theater. and i think that president trump wishes that this is for the best, but both he and paul ryan are going to own this and they look pretty incompetent. you don't put a bill on the
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floor or schedule a vote before you know if you have the votes for it. you need to whip the consensus in your caucuses, successful speaker nancy pelosi said yesterday, and you try to get consensus and then you schedule the vote and you also want to have a couple votes in your back pocket just in case you end up putting it on the floor and you don't have enough to get to 216. so i just think that paul ryan gl demonstrated that he's not an effective speaker as republicans would have hoped and donald trump as was said earlier is learning on the job. >> and the president said that he expects the democrats to actually come to him to work out a bill. do you really think that will happen? >> i don't think democrats will come to the table to dismantle such an important piece of legislation and the number one piece of legislation that makes up the bochl lobama legacy. they won't repeal it certainly in my lifetime that is helping
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millions of merns and they definitely won't support a bill that takes 24 million people off of their current health insurance plan. so democrats certainly want to impose fixes to obamacare. no one is sayinging that it's fine the way it is and we should leave it that way. democrats have put forward ideas to fix it. but republicans want to dws m dismantle it completely. so how do you come to the table when you have two sides with knows positio those positions. >> joe, the president said obamacare will explode. do you think that will happen? >> there will continue to be problems with obamacare. there will be people hurt by it now, who will be hurt maybe more in the next year or two. but that being said, i think zerlena makes a good point. if the language was less in-be flam directoer inflammatory, if they weren't so much as odds with each other and the language was instead repeal and replace, repair and adjust, maybe democrats could come to
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the table and talk about how you fix it, you keep the parts of the legislation that works, and then you improve all the pieces that don't work for americans. s. where americans are currently hurt. that ends up being a real fix to the parts of the bill that aren't working. >> rick, "wall street journal" says that right wing republicans lost their best chance to change obamacare. what do you think? >> it may be true. i think donald trump may have an out here and it all depends upon -- it will be an argument of who takes the blame for this. if obamacare truly is going to collapse and republicans and democrats can't get together to fix it, then is the party in charge to blame or is the party who put obamacare in place in the first place, the democrats, to blame. i don't know the answer to that question. a lot of this is also tied up in tax reform. remember there was a lot of savings in this plan like $300 billion paul ryan and the republicans wanted to use that to make sure that their tax reform was revenue neutral and they could use that money to
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count toward being revenue neutral. so now that is also going to be very difficult for them to move on with tax reform which i think could get a lot of bipartisan support. >> let's talk about this bipartisan. can the democrats, do you think they will yoefoverplay their har can they work through and possibly change obamacare down the line? >> i think they can change obamacare downs line, but it requires an increase in the numbers in the makeup of congress. so democrats need to turn out in about 2018 and continue to show up at town hall meetings and put pressure on elected officials so that perhaps some republicans more moderate republicans can be persuaded to support fixes to obamacare. but you have the people on the far right in the house that definitely don't want to do that, they want to dismantle the entire thing. so hard to reach a compromise when you have such extremes on the right. but i think that people that believe that people have the right to health insurance and that you shouldn't just have
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poor people without insurance or with inadequate insurance, that is something that is unamerican and unfair. if you have people coming to the table with reasonable ideas, i think that you can come to a consensus. i just don't know if this is the political climate for it or if donald trump is the president that can lead the congress to that kind of result. >> zerlena, joe, rick, hold on. when we come back, the nuclear option, might it be used to push the nomination of judge neil gorsuch through the senate? answers up next. no matter how dusty the room or how high the pollen count, flonase allergy relief keeps your eyes and nose clear.
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i believe that we have a tainted committee right now. there's no question about that. we're having people call for the committee to stand down in its investigation. i want to see the document that chairman nunes felt compelled to hold a press conference on, not talk to the ranking democrat on the committee, and race over to the white house. >> congresswoman jackie spier on
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the bombshell allegations from the house intelligence committee chair this week. he revealed he had seen evidence that president trump's aides and possibly mr. trump himself were monitored by the u.s. during the transition. today he's backtracking. we're back with joe watkins, rick tyler and zerlina maxwell. rick, let's talk about congressman nunes. seems there's a lot of back and forth between him and congressman adam schiff. so some credibility being lost here? is this becoming more about politics than issue? >> absolutely. it's an embarrassment of what nunes has done. adam schiff, he wasn't much better. he in a chuck todd interview on this network said he'd seen more than circumstantial evidence of collusion. now, even if he did have that, why would he say that? he's eventually putting himself in the same place nunes has. what the chairman has done on the intelligence committee is discredit the committee, really hurt the reputation of the committee and in congress and it leads people to believe whether this republican party can become
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a governing party. i have my doubts. >> joe, on that note, can congressman nunes conduct an impartial investigation now? >> it's going to be hard. i agree with rick that he's hurt his own credibility and hurts republicans. in pursuit of justice, there is no such thing as partisanship in a perfect world. for him to have talked to the trump white house and to the media before talking to members of his committee certainly wasn't the right thing to do. even with the apology, i don't know that's enough to regain the confidence of the committee or the public. so he's made a big mistake. it really hurts republicans and it hurts the process. >> zerlina, nunes said he first went to the white house because he felt an obligation to reach out to the president because trump was under fire politically. does that explanation hold water to you and what does that say about his credibility? >> there's no credibility in that statement at all. if he were really impartial he wouldn't go to perhaps the targets of an investigation to
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show them what he found just because president trump was having a bad news week in the media. that's ridiculous. i think it's important for any investigation into what is very serious because, you know, the news of the week really, you know, is not obamacare or trump care. the news of the week is that the fbi confirmed that there's a counterintelligence investigation that includes possible criminal charges into what happened during our election. so we had a hostile foreign government hack e-mails, steal documents, and release them perfectly timed to do the most damage to hillary clinton. that is what we know as of today. and i think that that requires an independent investigation and clearly we are not seeing that from this current republican leadership in the intelligence committee. >> and, joe, real quick, let's move on to neil gorsuch because senate democrats are bound to block his supreme court nomination with a filibuster, mitch mcconnell threatening to
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use the nuclear option. joe, do you see that happening? >> i don't know. we have to see where we stand on the votes. right now of course you've got senator schumer and senator casey and others saying they'll be a no vote and will be pushing for a filibuster but you have senator joe manchin from west virginia who hasn't made a decision and is considering how he'll vote and others as well. so i think the jury is still out on how many votes the republicans have, whether or not they'll have to use the nuclear option. >> let's talk about that vote. zerlina, do you think neil gor susm will actually get a democratic vote? >> no, and i hope he doesn't pause marek gar land is at his other job because republicans refuse to hold a hearing for the perfectly acceptable instance of this sitting president nominating a replacement for a justice that passed away. that is how it works. you don't not hold a hearing and then we're bringing basically a radical extreme right-wing justice and saying democrat, you must vote, we have to be
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responsible here. republicans were not responsible. i don't think democrats should vote for gorsuch. i hope they filibuster this nominee because it's unacceptable that president obama wasn't allowed to eve haven't a hearing for merrick garland, who is now at his old job. >> thanks so much for spending your saturday with me. thank you. >> thank you. >> that'll do it for me this hour. i'm dara brown. thanks for watching. thomas roberts is up next with a look at what lies ahead for obamacare after the big fail in washington for repeal and replace. it is a big decision for us... let's take the $1000 in cash back. great! yeah, i want to get one of those gaming chairs with the speakers. oh, you do? that's a surprise... the volkswagen 3 and easy event, where you can choose one of three easy ways to get a $1000 offer. hurry in to your volkswagen dealer now and you can get $1000 as an apr bonus, a lease bonus, or cash back.
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