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we'll hear directly from a new generation of political leaders, young people in the resistance and young americans who say they are energized by the new president. we begin with the developments on the russian inquires. this may be the weekend that killed the republican investigation into all of the issues. that is because the dam officially broke on the how the intel chairman devin nunes attempt to secretly use white house leaks to prop up a white house version of events. he got caught friday and got blasted all weekend. the conduct of houts investigator has drawn more criticism than the issues they're supposed to be investigating. and the top democrat on that panel adam schiff is demolishing president trump's claims that negative information is all just fake news. then today it got worse for devin nunes. this is brand new. he lost the most powerful republican in congress who touted senate republicans efforts by arguing they're not
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like what nunes is doing in the house. >> pretty clear the contrast here. the senate committee, berr and westerner had a joint press conference last week. they basically locked arms and said we're going to go wherever the faukts take us. i think the american people can dpen depend on the investigationing to done on a bipartisan basis and go where the facts lead us. >> mcconnell there contrasting the work to nunes. president trump reiterating the baseless charges again this weekend. he cites that obama surveillance scandal which mcconnell also dismissed to day. >> intelligence information that indicates the obama administration somehow applied, asked for surveillance of the trump transition, the trump team, any trump associates? >> no. >> here's the state of play. the fbi and the cia rejecting trump's wiretap claims.
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so did every other agency that looked that issue, so did mitch mcconnell today and he threw shade at his own party for flirting for the false hoods. as this unfolds, one of trump's closest security advisors is pledging he has a story to tell if he can get immunity from prosecution. no word on whether that story includes news that broke over the weekend. that mike flynn did not initially disclose the money he received from russia backed firms which by the way federal law requires. now mike flynn, folks, he is fortunate that he will not be judged by the mike flynn standard. as he famously declared asking for immunity means you committed a crime. it doesn't mean that. flynn might want immunity as a precaution. where he might want it in exchange for information about other crimes. or he may not expect immunity at all. his lawyer may have determined that flynn will be called before congress regardless where like anyone sworn in puts your hand in the air and ask to tell the
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truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, and then that case the best tack might for them to get ahead of that by bringing up immunity and the fifth amendment now. that would be a pretty good strategy for playing a bad hand. and the question remains though, what does flynn know? joining me now for perspective, david corn and yahoo news investigative michael is could have and joyce vance. how would an immunity deal work here if he ever got one? >> so immunity in this case could come from one of two sources, actually. it could come from the justice department. that seems unlikely. prosecutors don't like to tip their hand too early in an investigation and offer immunity before they know all the facts. it is too much like buying a pig in the poke. the other potential source for immunity would, of course, be from one of the congressional subcommittees involved in the
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investigation. that could either be through a two-thirds vote by the full subcommittee. again that, seems unlikely given the fallout of the ollie north prosecution and the iran-contra scandal in which north's successful prosecution was ult platly reversed on appeal because of the immunity grant. >> right. you're basically saying using this especially in the congressional context is dicey and cuts against some of the investigative interests there. david, you have been on the story since the beginning. you were covering this in the campaign back when people didn't take it as seriously. you obviously saw something serious. what do you make of the combination of the bizarre, the stupid, and the incompetent in what we've seen from nunes over the week? >> it is rather traj snik a wgi because the only reason we let the executive branch engage in
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secret activity is because we have oversight of these activities by the people who we elect to office and the legislative branch. so nunes this past week, past two weeks, totally bologna part the whole process of congressional intelligence oversight. while making a fool of himself and destroying half of the open public investigations into the trump russia scandal we have. remember, the fbi is investigating. might be a criminal investigation. might be a counter intelligence investigation. but tend of the day, the fbi is not tasked to tell the public what finds out and produce a public report. the only way the public can understand what happened in all this is to have congress if there is no independent commission do itself. half of that process has been blown out of the water because of the bizarre, stupid and incompetent, all the words you said. maybe absurd behaviors of the guy who was in charge of this on the house side. >> yeah.
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joan, he keeps changing storty which forced mitch mcconnell's hand on "meet the press." after telling the bloomberg columnist that source was not a white house staffer, nunes told him thursday, i did use the white house to help confirm what i already knew from other sources. lake said, nunes misled him, joan. >> well, did he mislead them. and he's misleading the country. he has taken deliberately trying to take, i think, the focus off president trump. but at this point, he has no credibility. and paul ryan, i really lay this at his feet. at this point, he came out and said that a whistle-blower had given the information to nunes. that turns out not to be true. and he has no business supervising this in the first place. he was on the trump transition team. he is in a sense investigating
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himself. it could be his name, you know, was in the information that he saw. it is just -- it was wrong from the beginning. it shouldn't have happened this way. but now he's got to take him out out of it or thels part of the investigation, the house really plays no role which is a shame. adam schiff is doing an amazing job. >> michael? >> well, look, i agree with what everybody said here. but i think except that i think at the end of the day flynn is going to have to get immunity. there's no way the senate or the house if they proceed are going to be able to produce the kind of public report that everybody is expecting without mike flynn's testimony. he's such a central witness. he was the campaign national security adviser. if there were communications with anybody in the russian government during that -- during that campaign, he's the guy most likely to know what they were
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about. michael, i'll let you respond further. but i want to ask you, aren't you -- when you phrase it that way, aren't you presupposing that he's a witness and not a potential target? >> he could be a target of the justice department. but for the congressional committees whose job it report
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>> but in reality, what will happen here is that flynn will have to accept a plea agreement. we're hearing people talk about immunity. i think the much more likely course of events is a plea agreement in which he pleads guilty to the readily provable charges, perhaps a failure to provide information on his security forms and then you'll see him testify in front of the congress after that plea deal is signed, to open an
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investigation. take a listen to adam schiff on the piling up questions around flynn. >> that was a very healthy skepticism. we know from the filing that's were done by the white house on friday that general flynn failed to report the money that he received from that rt propaganda. the kremlin and two other russian entities. we also have requested the background security documents that general flynn filled out to find out whether he similarly failed to disclose work he was doing as a financial agent of a foreign power. there's a lot we need to learn before entertaining anything like this. >> i mean, joan, the issue is this is more than people's paperwork as you forget. it seems larger which is why were you taking money from putin's propaganda arm. >> in the first place. right. you know, michael is probably right in the long term. but i think right now it just is way too early. they don't know what they need
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to know from him or about him. we don't know what he's trying to offer. it seems like a way for him and attorney to get out ahead of it. but it just seems like both committees, schiff and -- that they're right. >> joan, finish your thought and then michael after that. >> you know, i have a somewhat different perspective here whichcy want to know what they're waiting for. you know, here we are several months into this at this point. we haven't seen a single subpoena from the senate committee which is going to be an issue. are the republicans going to go along with subpoenas? we have no fact witnesses who have been notified for testimony yet. and, you know, i don't know what they think they're going to get by methodically going through and getting security clearance forms and other materials. i mean, i think the bar here is, you know, people -- there's a
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great deal of public expectation. >> right. >> about wanting to get to the bottom of this. and, you know, if their plan is to take months and months and then down the road get it, you know, i don't see that answering the kind of questions that people have. >> final quick word to joan. >> well, right. michael is right. i just think you don't start with immunity to mike flynn. but, yes. why there are no subpoenas, et cetera, those are really good questions. >> there are a lot of witnesses. >> now, as i preview, we're completely out of time. joan walsh, thank you so much, david corn, stay with mechlt we have more after the graek coming up when we get to the family feud gop style. president trump taking aim at the freedom caucus members who crossed him on health care. trump aeg social media director getting right night, threatening primaries for prominent conservative. the rift and what does it mean for the trump agenda? also next hour, something
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president trump began this week blasting freedom caucus members. today he struck a different note, golfing with conservative ran paul who is one of the loudest critics of trump's health care bill. you could feel the love in his tweets as he said that it is alive and well and proud of the love and strength of the r party. trump's mood may have warmed but his oppositions political payback is still a lie. the top aide actively calling for a primary against freedom caucus member justin omash. of that declaration of war, is this a truce? to break it down, we have brian darling, a former aide to rand
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paul and also with us, david corn, back us with. and we have former republican representative from florida david jolly. welcome, everyone. we're going by ranking. so congressman jolly, we start with you. as you know, not everyone ranks congress first. we will out of respect. >> very few people do. >> explain to us what we're seeing in a back and forth, good cop, bad cop but maybe it's like from batman. trump is got cop and the bad cop. >> sure. first of all, thank you for not going full off school about flynn and immunity. this is love and strength, i hate to see what hate and weakness looks like from the trump administration. we have a failed health care bill. we have an intelligence chairman who lied to the speaker and lied to the media. but, look, the top aide who recently to being on justin, he's an idiot. he's a complete idiot. can you take on the freedom caucus and actually pass an
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agenda because here's what hatters. it's opening day. we all think severing spring. and severing great right now. here's what's going to happen in politics in the next 60 days. we're going to face a government shutdown on april 28th. donald trump will work with democrats or shut down the government. we're going to then face a debt limit increase and work with democrats or he will default on the nation's debt. >> right. >> you saw it this week as a bad week between trump and the house freedom caucus, wait until you see the divide when he works with democrats on a debt limit increase. >> i'll take that you to, brian. when you look at grassroots republican politics, one of the most positive things can you note sish use matter, right? and just like your old boss rand paul has really made lip takerian issues of bread and butter of his came pan. i'll put his response here, give him the benefit of response. wrote back, trump made an establishment merged into the trump establishment. attack conservatives,
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libertarian and independent thinkers. walk us through what you think is important about that reference to libertarians and independent thinkers? >> yeah, i joked on twitter this week that some squish in the trump administration hijacked the trump twitter account because it didn't seem to make much political sense attacking the house freedom caucus. the freedom caucus could prove to be trump's biggest ally in many fights in pledging to number them. i don't think it makes any political sense at all. i mean justin amash, thomas matthews, not a member of the freedom caucus but is very conservative. jim jordan of ohio. you look at rand paul who golfed with trum top day, these are all very important allies in cutting taxes, getting real tax reform and so many issues that trump wants to get done. it doesn't make any sense to do this. i understand that this administration will work with democrats on certain issues. probably in the frinfrastructur bill. to get a real tax reform bill across the finish line and this
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health care debate is not over. there is still a chance to repeal obama care. i think it was not wise to attack so early the house freedom caucus and conservatives in general. >> right. and david, twitter is powerful. it's part of the modern machinery of politics. it doesn't work for everything. and i don't know if we want to get personal. i remember watching you learn twitter. ? yeah. i was like i don't know about this. i said try it. and now he has more followers. what at which timer is good for. i want to put up a trump tweet that didn't appear to work. not that one. but the one on rand paul. i feel pretty sure my friend rand paul will come along with the new and great health care program because he knows obama care rcare
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obamacare is a disaster. it's a march 7 tweet that is trying to achieve an outcome. not just an insult but an outcome. it didn't work, david. >> that whatas a brief moment h having to use twitter. i think at the core here is there is no core. what does trump really care about? does he have any ideas about health care policy? i mean, you have to choose. can you go free market all the way and get rid of obama care and just let people fend for themselves in a revitalized private system which i don't think is the answer. or do you come up with something else? he has no ideas. even when tax reform, you know, all he's been able to say is it's going to be great and wonderful. he doesn't have core principles on the issues. but in a pejorative way. the freedom caulk yes, sir people and rand paul.
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there is a major policy. and they have to figure out how to deal with. that it is so foreign to his own nature. there is a meeing of the minds with any of these more conservative republicans when it comes to the issues and philosophies they care about. >> like we said, you can't insult your way to the president. trump proved him wrong. i don't think you request insult your way to governing. so how does he do this. there is no path way to do this. and they laid it on the vote. that's what we're going to see play out in the next 60 days. watch what happened when ted cruz and rand paul meet with the house freedom caucus. the ideological leader and the
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president of the united states claims detail. you could be one of those announcers for the movie sequel where you're like this. i was scary. final thought. >> listen, i lived through this. this is history repeating itself. hopeful think is a learning moment for president trump. he should not allow the house leadership to draft the legislation because it trnd out to be a disaster. the ryan care bill was not a repeal and replace bill. it was not something that conservatives liked. and they tried -- very much the president tried to force conservatives and bully them into supporting something. well, house caucusing and conservatives will be a great ally when the president pushes conservative legislation. so stop letting the leadership write the legislation for you. do it yourself. >> right. and that will be relevant to so many upcoming issues.
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thank you all. i appreciate it. >> good to be with you. >> up next on this week's installment of normal or not, i'll dig into the unusual flight of the republican platform in july 2016. we have a new report on who is trying to water down tough language on russia and what it looks like in hinld sight. >> any time that russia has been interfering in domestic affairs of the united states is slander. >> also today, legendary journalist and author joins me lives with thoughts on this unusual political age. no, i'm good. come on, moe. i have to go. (vo) we always trusted our subaru impreza would be there for him someday. ok. that's it. (vo) we just didn't think someday would come so fast. see ya later, moe. (vo) introducing the all-new subaru impreza. the longest-lasting vehicle in its class. more than a car, it's a subaru.
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the trump campaign to tilt the politics towards rush yachlt the second one is critical. it shows how the influence campaign may have worked before election day. and that brings us to this obscure campaign entity, the gop platform committee. party activists use it to rubber-stamp core positions held by the company. there was a fight over a plafrpg in the platform that seemed strange at the time and even stranger today. at this month's historic hearing, congressman adam schiff referred to this incident and keep in mind he is privy to top secret intel so he's not likely to make claims without evidence. >> ambassador who presides over russian embassy in which diplomatic personnel is expelled as likely spies also attends the republican party convention and meets with carter page and
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additional trump advisors j.d. gor gordon. >> describing the officials at the convention and noegt how the same trump aides oversaw the platform. >> just prior to the convention, the republican party platform is changed. removing a section that supports the provision of lethal defensive weapons to ukraine. an action that would be contrary to russian interests. manifort denies involvement by the trump campaign and altering the platform. but the republican party delegate who offered the language and support of providing defensive weapons to ukraine says it was removed at the insistence of the trump campaign. >> that delegate schiff is referring, to a former reagan appointee is diana denman. she proposed the language that u.s. provide lethal defensive weapons to ukraine in the fight against russia. but she says trump officials intervened to kill that policy.
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and they had denied that for months until march when republican operative j.d. gordon confirmed to cnn that he advocated for the successful platform language that the ukrainians not be armed in the battle against pro russian separatists. gordon not only killed the amendment but did so while having an animated phone call with which he described as a highest level of the trump campaign in new york. she would not specify if that meant donald trump herself. was that normal? they probe wld this happened for policies regarding any other country on earth. asked if she recalled trump staffers involved in any other amendment put before the committee, denman said that's the only one. so the only topic that trump campaign intervened on was about russia. and the change they wanted was to go soft on russia so the platform up to today had now offered only "appropriate assistance for the arms forces
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of ukraine, not military aid against russia." and the trump campaign officials demanding that change saying they were acting on the direct authority of some of the highest levels of the campaign. now i called diana denman and asked her about how high this went. she said at the time j.d. gordon was citing such a high level authority on the campaign she didn't really believe him. here's what she told me. i thought he was perhaps overreaching his pay grade so i asked him three times, but i asked him very definitely who he was talking to and he gave me the same answer all three times. i really didn't believe him. but given what she knows now, denman said she does now believe what he said then. that he was speaking about watering down this russia amendment to someone in the highest level of the campaign. i should tell you we did invite her on the show today but given the open inquiries, she is currently declining tv interviews. investigators may want to know a lot more about this. who was on that line in new
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york? why did they care so much about softening military threats against russia and had russian officials formally requested this change from trump aides. and did they ask for anything in return? to be clear, we don't have all the answers. but the fact that these questions are swirling around a change to a platform to benefit a foreign country at the seblter of what is a criminal inquiry into the possible collusion with the trump campaign overseeing the platform, no. that is not normal. now straight ahead, putting a price on your privacy. a vote in congress. >> who gets to know where you traveled on the internet and the group that is looking for payback against members who back it. plus, next hour, our special panel growing up trump, a new generation speaks out. stay tuned.
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russia was a big story this week but not the only storey.
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we want to share three other important developments you may have missed. they blocked federal funds from abortion providers with an unusual tiebreaking vote right there by mike pennsylvania, democrats criticizing the measure an unnecessary attack on women's constitutional rights. second, trump's aggressive rhetoric may finally be getting him in trouble in court. you may know that his political speech is widely froekted but a judge ruled that some of trump's campaign rhetoric was so violent it should be tested in court as potential insightment which, of course, is not protected. spich that falls in the category of encitement, the judge refers to speech like. this. >> if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tow mate yoi, knock the crap out of them, would you? seriously. >> i'd like to punch him in the face, i'll tell you. >> try not to hurt him. if you do, i'll defend you in court. don't worry about it.
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>> don't worry about it. and number three, the republican agenda that congress is pursuing without promoting or tweeting much about it may be because it's not very popular. this week congress gutting internet privacy protection which makes it easier for companies like at&t, verizon and comcast which is a parent company of nbc universal to collect and sell your browser history. the obama era protection here basically frozen and some privacy activists agitating to give members of congress a taste of their own medicine threatening to buy and release their private web histories which is probably illegal the way they're threatening it. others even using transparency to argue they sold out and want to expose why, arguing it's all about the campaign money. the bill now on the president's desk, sean spicer saying accident know when president trump will sign it. that is a lot for our political panel to break down.
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welcome to you both. on the law, what do you make of the internet privacy? >> internet privacy just took a big hit as a result of rolling back the fcc's regulations under chairman wheeler. this is really -- you made the point and it's really important. it is not popular. >> no. >> there was actually a survey done by university of pennsylvania that found that it essentially you literally have 70% of folks thinking that you shouldn't be able to follow people who use your internet in a store to determine what they're doing with that internet. so this is something that was disturbing in terms of how quickly it happened and no matter what the fcc says, we're not -- we shouldn't expect many protections. >> kristina, i don't want to be too simplistic, but they talk about congress doing public policy. this feels more like private sector policy. you can understand why korme
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corporations want to maximize profit. why make it easier? on the point i want to get to on what we call the clap back, here is collins from super natural online. she started to go fundme campaign saying thanks congress for voting to put our private data up for sale. we can't wait to buy yours. >> so i think there are two thgs we need to remember with this particular administration and this particular president in particular. one, any time that donald trump can make money for his friends, cronies or family, we know that those policies will most likely affect a very small number of americans who will profit from this. so that's what we need to keep our eye on. number, two i think this part of a larger issue really trying to roll back an entire obama agenda and obamalegacy obama did more on cmate change. he went to the fcc to make sure there were privacy connections and made the internet equitable so we don't have a two tier
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system with poor people having slower service. this is the trump administration's real agenda to make sure that the obama progressive policies are just deleted in many ways. and even though he signed this bill that wouldn't take us back until late thorne year, there is still sort of preempting to make sure that he doesn't have a legacy when it comes to the internet. which is really problematic, especially for poor people. for regular americans. faen i were a republican congressman or republican voter, we know that the party of family values likes to do things in the dark that they don't want in the light. i would assume that is the privacy effort. >> whether that is supportive evidence or not. i'm sure plenty of people would say that they could proudly share their browser history. the point being made online is the hypocrisy of are you really ready to do that? why are are you making it so easy? i do want to get new on the laws
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of insightment. there say long tradition of giving a wide birth to political speech. indeed as you well know, there are supreme court cases that defend anlt qui war protesters and civil rights protesters for going over the line, for saying really aggressive things. this case has as we showed in the lead uphill battle. what do you think of the legal chances? >> legally, i think the judge did the right thing. this was a motion to dismiss. so essentially the judge was saying this should go forward into a process of gathering discovery so there can be a determination whether or not this meets the high standard. i think there is no question in the clips you showed make it clear that this is also the judge made the point that we knew that white supreme sifts were in the audience. the fact that trump and the trump campaign was aware and should have been aware of that is a suggestion that they actually would have known that there might be some violence that occurs because of the --
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>> it was foreseeable? >> that it was foreseeable and an proximate cause. so those are all element that's are going to be important in the case moving forward. >> real legal evidence. >> let's get real. >> a lot of jargon. >> i mean the bottom line is if you tell somebody to beat somebody up and you have reason to believe they might actually do that, then you might be libel. >> final point. we like hitting on things that didn't get much attention. this is a significant vote that mi mike pence did the tiebreak on abortion. >> i think this is another way for republicans to understand how congress works, especially the senate. most people don't understand that vice president is the tiebreaker and so we haven't really seen it so often, right? and so -- force. >> it's a close one. >> the first time we saw it in this particular it rags is with betsy duval and two republicans coming over and voting with the democrats. and we saw mike pence, the vice president as the president of the senate making that crucial vote. so it's problematic as he and the entire administration may be, the great thing is organizations like generation citizen and so many other
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intense but more substantive. the focus on war and peace, not burns and retweets. our next guest was at the center of the shifting role in american politics and culture. he got his start as a copy boy and a supports reporter at the "new york times." he hustled his way into covering more serious stories seblding him to places like selma during the 1965 protest which he reported he saw to a national audience like marchers facing down the threat of violence. there were young blondes and hipsters with beards that had whilt faces and black faces, collars, and they differed in age and religion but shared a untive purpose. they come to march through the streets of selma. a young man with a shoert blond beard yelled at dr. king, you son of a bitch? you want to vote, why don't you act like a human being? dr. king said nothing. what tomorrow? nobody knew. he said he was dissatisfied with
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much of the writing noting i wish i could think of better words to describe what i had seen even though in a fully understood and enduring sense, ways not really sure what i tha independence from elites was an advantage. >> when i was a young journalist, we were of the under-class. we would approach them as we were looking from the outside in, to a world of privilege and power and affluence. >> he charted how television changed the culture and created new stars, writing it was not that television was slanting the news but that the news makers were slanting themselves to television. that shaped who the elites were and the language they spoke. talese also had a knack for cutting through spin and pr. his iconic esquire frank sinatra revealed his world through
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people around him even though talese will virtually no access for an interview with the star himself. talese says the real story is not always about the so-called big people. >> all these little stories are really big stories if you think big about little people. that's what i like to do. >> i thought there are so many interesting people, not important people necessarily, not people who would make news, but people who were part of news-making or at least part of the miracle of daily journalism. >> gay talese, the miracle of daily journalism. an honor to have you here. >> and for me to be here. >> you look at this era. what i wanted to do with the benefit of your presence was look at some of the different presidents because you have seen so much. take a look at lyndon johnson, talking about the press and its role in those heightened times of vietnam. >> we believe very strongly in preserving the right to differ in this country and the right to dissent. if i have done a good job of
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anything since i have been president is to ensure that there are plenty of dissenters. and there is not a person in this press corps that cannot write what he wants to write, and most of them do write what they want to write. >> what do you see there? >> i remember how strong the press, especially the "new york times" that i knew best, was against johnson and his war. the journalist who won the pulitzer prize in 1994 was loathe within the white house of johnson as well as his predecessor john kennedy. in fact, john kennedy, 1962 went to the publisher of "new york times" -- 63. to try to get rid of him, try to oust him. the history of the presidency and the press is one of an advir
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sarial relationship if not loathing entire. franklin roo franklin roosevelt hated the "new york times." truman, what he did with a music critic who didn't like his daughter margaret's way of singing. what we have now in the white house way of trump is not to be singled out as a special case of the president feeling he is being persecuted or trying to point his own rancor on the press itself. it's an old story. >> an old story. let me play some of donald trump. some from when he was a candidate, personally singling out reporters, even making light or making fun of one's handicap. >> nice reporter. now the poor guy, you got to see this guy. oh, i don't know what i said. ah, i don't remember. he's going like, i don't remember. maybe that's what i said. there is something happening. they're not reporting it. katy, you're not reporting it.
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there's something happening. >> does something concern you or do you see it as of a piece with the history. >> as a journalist, and i still am at 85. still active in my own ambition as a journalist. i see this president as representing what we loathe but also i do believe that his persona, his face, is a face america that is real, that we just do not want to condone and shouldn't. >> who is "we"? >> donald trump is america. it's not the america that we want to elevate or even appreciate, but there is much of him throughout this country. it's not something we wish to extol or appreciate or accept, but it's here. there are many, many donald trump faces in this country. he speaks to a constituency that
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is not the kind of people that you wish to associate with. you, me, anybody. but there really is an anger in this country and there is a sense of isolation in this country. >> you think the political establishment didn't want to believe that the support was out there for him. >> i believe that. i believe that. and i believe that the journalists of your generation as opposed to mine which goes back 50 years. we were very different in my time as journalists as compared to the ones today because we were much more aware of the low basic, sometimes despicable character of our country because many of us came out of a rough and tumble or down-and-out life. we journalists of the post-war period, of which i am a part. i started in 1953, '54. we were of the under class. >> you don't identify exactly the same way reporters can be so cozy. i want to read this.
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you wrote this. you said why you don't like to use a tape recorder in your writing. recording an experience can prevent the insight that comes from deep probing. reporters who use a recorder instead of being in the moment risk generating only a first-draft drift of the mind, symptomatic of a society permeated by fast food bottom-line impersonalized workmanship reducing the one's craft of writing to the level of talk radio on paper. i wonder what you think of a world where so many people go to a concert and try to video record it. so they don't actually watch it. they just watch it through the video and whether we're losing something tactile here. >> i do think, as a senior senior citizen of journalism that we are losing a lot. when i was a young man of your age, i got a job -- old-time reporter when i first walked into the "new york times." my first day as a rookie reporter said, young man, stay off the telephone. that was the new technology of
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the 1950s, my time. he said you have to show up, see their faces, be there. right now, the grandchildren, c comparably. people are looking through their smiv smartphone and the laptop and there isn't the chance of the wonderful characteristics of the story. so much is focused on getting it fast, getting it first, not necessarily getting it all but getting it to a degree right but to a degree incomplete. listen -- >> keep it up. >> it's hard work you're doing. >> gay talese. thank you. this was wonderful. appreciate it. coming up, growing up trump. the new generation speaking out. we have panel of young people with their thoughts of the first 100 days under trump. a closer look at geico... you know, geico insures way more than cars.
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