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himself that would be his call as well. during rod rosenstein's confirmation hearing last month, asked which of the avenues rod rosenstein would likely take. with he oversee or appoint an outside prosecutor? rosenstein refused to answer. today senator blumenthal became the only member of the judiciary committee to vote against rod rosenstein for this crucial job. every other democrat voted to advance his nomination. the vote was 19-1. so stick a flag in this one. democrats have to choose their battles. they will win nothing if they can't stick together. they're mostly choosing to fight on gorsuch, but not entirely. they're not choosing to fight on the number two job under jeff sessions who will run the russia investigations. we may look back on this as a momentous strategic decision by the democrats. stick a flag in this one. note this one for the record. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you again tomorrow. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell.
good evening, lawrence. >> good evening. the gorsuch strategy is one of the more difficult ones that the democrats have face there is always that question if they do manage to stop it, what do they get next? who is next on that list that gore such's name was lifted off of. >> right. and i think the only thing the democrats know for sure if they don't stand united, they won't win on anything they try to do. that's the secret of being this the minority you. all have to get on board. and right now that's chuck schumer's challenge to show that he can get all democrats to do any one thing. >> and when you watch the senate in general terms, it's always easier to keep the minority together than the majority together. it's kind of easier to gang up around a no than it is an active agenda of legislation. >> and even on this one they got wobblers already. >> thank you, rach. >> thanks, lawrence. well, one big advertiser is pulling out of bill o'reilly's show on fox news after "the new
york times'" front page expose yesterday of the $13 million, at least $13 million that has been paid in sexual harassment settlements for bill o'reilly. we will have that story, along with the latest lawsuit filed against fox news today. but first there is a new report tonight of yet another connection between the trump team and russia. >> another day, another detailed report of possible connections between trump associates and russia. >> the secret meeting occurred between black water founder erik prince and a russian close to president vladimir putin. >> as part of an apparent effort to establish a back channel line of communication between moscow and president-elect donald trump. >> the trouble that they went to try to set something up in this remote part of the indian ocean just seems really odd. >> a web is now being spun out that we were told before didn't exist, right? >> this incredible, unusual web of relationships between
vladimir putin and trump associates. >> it seems now to make sense why trump is so busy over the weekend. these series of crazy tweets. >> i would tell people whenever they see the president use the word "fake" it ought to set off alarm bell. >> these are not hoaxes invented by democrats. >> there were any contacts between the trump campaign and the russian intelligence services that were inappropriate, i want the whole world to know about it. >> the newest link between reported tonight by "the washington post" between the trump transition team and moscow is erik prince, the founder of a company called black water which no longer does business under that name after security guards working for blackwater in iraq killed 14 people in baghdad in a wild shooting spree. they injured 17 others. four blackwater employees were convicted in u.s. courts. one was sentenced to life in prison.
the other three sentenced to 30-year terms. erik prince is a former navy s.e.a.l. who personally profited hugely from the iraq war through his company blackwater, which he has since left and has now been renamed academy. "the washington post" is reporting that the united arab emirates arranged a secret meeting in january between erik prince and a russian close to president vladimir putin as part of an apparent effort to establish a back channel line of communication between moscow and president-elect donald trump. nbc news has confirmed that erik prince represented donald trump at a secret overseas meeting. erik prince, who is a major contributor to donald trump's campaign is the brother of the secretary education betsy devos. and tonight buzzfeed news is reporting that another trump associate, former campaign adviser carter page met with and passed documents to a russian intelligence operative in new york city in 2013.
and an aide to the senate intelligence committee tells nbc news that staff level interviews have started regarding that committee's investigation into russian meddling in the 2016 election. and the house intelligence committee met behind closed doors for the first time today since the ranking member of that committee, representative adam schiff called for chairman devin nunes to recuse himself from their russian investigation. congressman schiff told nbc news tonight that he and chairman nunes are coming to an agreement on an initial witness list to interview. that witness list may be released as early as tomorrow. today the white house tried to involve former obama national security adviser susan rice in the controversy created by house intelligence committee chairman devin nunes when he publicly made a trip to the white house claiming he was briefing the president on sensitive intelligence material that he had obtained from the white house.
the nunes escapade has now been unmasked as a complete charade in which the white house used devin nunes as a third party to make public information that the white house already possessed and wanted to make public without their fingerprints on it. today the trump white house claimed that during the transition before the trump inauguration, susan rice saw the intelligence reports that devin nunes first saw at the white house and then the next day brought back to the white house, pretending publicly that he was telling the white house something that the president did not know. the trump white house is now saying that susan rice requested the identities of u.s. persons in those raw intelligence reports on dozens of occasions. fox news and bloomberg columnist eli lake reported that story today without naming their sources. but let me just read you the opening line of eli lake's story.
just take your own wild guess about sources. white house lawyers last month learned that the former national security adviser susan rice requested the identities of u.s. persons in raw intelligence reports on dozens of occasions that connect to the donald trump transition and campaign. according to u.s. officials familiar with the matter. let me remind you the first two words were white house lawyers. that's who the article is telling you what they discovered. the article then specifies that ezra cohen-watnick was the person who discovered this information. ezra cohen-watnick was an active participant in the devin nunes charade about going to the white house. and he was exposed as an active participant last week. after the white house got their story out about susan rice through fox news and bloomberg, donald trump tweeted this. such amazing reporting on
unmasking and the crooked scheme against us by "fox & friends." spied on before nomination. the real story. joining us now david corn, washington bureau chief for mother jones and msnbc political analyst. also with us ned price, former senior director and spokesperson for the national security council. he resigned from the cia when president trump took office. ned price, i just want to good to you for your general sorting out of everything that we have developed in this story toy. >> well, that's a very tough task, lawrence. ly let me first take this unmasking business. i think what the white house and its allies are telling us today is we should not be focused on the underlying substance of this administration's yet unexplained and multiprong ties with the russian government. we should be focused on unmasking. and if you unpack that statement, what they are saying is don't let -- let's not focus
on the fact that lots of our associates, lots of trump campaign types and others were apparently caught up in routine, lawful, and authorized u.s. surveillance. let's not focus on all the smoke that is in this routine surveillance. let's instead focus on who called 911 to report this fire. it's absolutely astounding that they want us not to focus on these two bombshell reports, but instead to look at routine matters that any intelligence analyst or policymaker carries out on a nearly daily basis. >> david corn, sean spicer saying that they were not aware of any meetings that erik prince had and that erik prince had no role in the transition. >> well, you know, i'm still waiting for the three to five million illegal voters plus the 1.5 million people who made to
it the inauguration that day, patiently wearing their invisible cloaks. i believe sean spicer was unaware. that's probably true. but the question is whether erik prince was creating any back channel with the knowledge of steve bannon, maybe, i'm just guessing, just supposing. jared kushner? maybe, maybe doing it on his own. did he tell his sister? now we're getting into kind of iron/contra type category with secret meetings now in the seychelles. any investigation that would look into this would have to talk to the cabinet member. the secretary of education appointed by donald trump and say at the very least did you know your brother was going to the seychelles? did you have any understanding that he was doing this? he was seen in the transition office. so the fact that he didn't have a job in the transition doesn't mean anything. it's all highly suspicious. and all i can say is that, you know, god knows what is going on in the house intelligence committee. but the senate intelligence committee better hire more staff. this is widening. they need more manpower and
women power to deal with this. >> i just want to go to highlighting one of the problems that donald trump and devin nunes both have. and those are problems named lindy graham and john mccain. let's listen to what they have to say about this. >> nunes, the house, they're off in a ditch. i don't know -- i don't know where he -- who invited him to look at the evidence in the white house. all i can say is why do you show it to the chairman of the intel committee if you've got it yourself? so -- that never made sense to me. >> if we are really going to get to the bottom of these things, it's got to be done in a bipartisan fashion. and as far as i could tell, congressman nunes killed at. >> and ned ice, you know, if nunes had any kind of support from people like mccain, lindsey graham, this would be in another
place. but to lose them instantly as he did with that trip to the white house is part of the hole that apparently he is not being able to dig out of. >> that's exactly right. by taking part in this amateur political theater, by being the recipient of laundered intelligence that the white house provided to him after which he then took part in this charade where he held two press conferences and briefed pruch in between, he has removed any pretense that he is a neutral arbiter in this affair. he has clearly shown his colors. his colors that frankly should have been apparent when he was a member of the trump transition team. but he has again reminded us that he is unfit to lead this house inquiry. and that's why not only senators mccain and graham, but also the ranking member adam schiff has called for him to recuse himself from this matter. >> let's listen to what susan rice said about this on march 22nd.
>> i know nothing about this. i was surprised to see reports from chairman nunes on that count today. i mean, let's back up and recall where we have been. the president of the united states accused his predecessor, president obama, of wiretapping trump tower during the campaign. nothing of the sort occurred. so today i really don't know to what chairman nunes was referring. >> and david corn, what those reports that devin nunes has been talking about, he has indicated that those were intelligence reports during the transition. during the transition,hen thes nothing thatnyone could do in the obama administration to stop the inauguration of president trump. this is not a question of whether what were they looking at during the campaign. and so there is that distinction to be made here. >> ned can probably explain this better than i can. but unmasking with an
intelligence report based on intercepts is a pretty common thing there are reasons in which you can legitimately do this. and i don't know. i've never been a national security adviser. i don't know if doing it dozens of times is suspicious or not. they make it sound suspicious at fox. but this is a common thing. we don't know whether these are people who were picked up or whether they were just being discussed between two subjects who are being surveilled. so, you know, donald trump, as well as nunes and everybody else trying to turn this into the scandal is very quite outrageous. and i just go back. i mention iran/contra a few minutes ago. there were a lot of political fights, a lot of issues. you were around back then, lawrence. ultimately the leadership on both sides of the hill wanted to get to the bottom. they saw it was serious issue, and they wanted to honestly investigate, even though some were trying to be more protective than others. that's just not the case now
with the republicans on capitol hill. except for mccain and graham. >> ned, quickly, before we go, assume for the moment that that report about susan rice is accurate, that she was asking for unmaskingsed on some of these things. what would that mean to you? >> well, lawrence, she was the national security adviser and had an intelligence briefing every day during which she reviewed dozens of reports. look, speaking from my personal experience, as a former cia analyst, i would have been derelict in my job had i read a report summarizing the conversation of two terrorists based overseas. and these two individuals say tomorrow we are going to carry out an attack on, parenthesis, u.s. person one. if i didn't go to the powers that be at the national security agency or the originator of that report and request that that -- the identity of that individual be unmasked so that prudent measures could be taken to stop that attack and protect that
individual, i would have been derelict. so there are certainly legitimate reasons and very routine reasons for an analyst or for a policy maker to request unmasking. unmasking is not akin to leaking, and in fact it is a routine process. >> ned price and david corn, thank you both for joining us. i really appreciate it. >> sure thing. coming up, the president made a huge mistake. unbelievable bad rookie mistake, and rookie speaker paul ryan made the same mistake with him after their health care bill collapsed in the house of representatives. and now they're trying to undo that mistake. and later, bill o'reilly and fox news. big advertiser pulling out of bill o'reilly's show on fox news after yesterday's expose in "the new york times" of the $13 million that has been paid in
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bill collapsed in the house of representatives without even coming to a vote, the president said the stupidest possible thing he could say. >> we'll probably be going right now for tax reform. i think we have to let obamacare go its way for a little while. and we'll see how things go. i would love to see it do well, but it can't. it's imploding and soon with explode. and it's not going to be pretty. >> and paul ryan actually said something equally stupid. >> i don't know what else to say other than obamacare is the law of the land. it's going remain the law of the land until it's replaced. we did not have quite the votes to replace this law. and so, yeah, we're going to be living with obamacare for the foreseeable future. >> so the president and paul ryan completely publicly gave up on their quest to repeal obamacare. it's okay to give up. but legislators, they give up all the time. they just never publicly admit it. they always pretend they're
going to keep working at it. after i immediately identified that night how unprecedented it was for the president and the speaker of the house to just publicly give up on promised legislation, the amateurs involved in that effort have finally come back to pretending they haven't given up. vice president mike pence just finished a meeting tonight with the most conservative republicans in the house who call themselves the freedom caucus in which they all claim to be discussing new attempts to repeal and replace obamacare. donald trump has been all over the place since he realized he is not supposed to admit that he has given up on repealing obamacare. he began in his customary style by pretending that the impossible was possible. >> and i know that we're all going to make a deal on health care. that's such an easy one. so i have no doubt that that's going to happen very quickly. i think it will, actually. i think it's going happen. hopefully it will start being
bipartisan, because everybody really wants the same thing. we want greatness for this country that we love. >> and he told the financial times yesterday, quote, if we don't get what we want, we will make a deal with the democrats, and we will have in my opinion, not as good a form of health care, but we are going to have a good form of health care, and it will be a bipartisan form of health care. and then tonight the deal with the democrats is off. it's just off before it even got started. president trump told nbc's kristen welker that he thinks he can make a deal with moderate and conservative republicans. and when kristen welker asked if president trump is still curr t currently looking to democrats to build a coalition, the president said not at this time. joining us now, eli stoeckel is white house correspondent for "the wall street journal." also joining us kurt andersen,
host of the public radio program "studio 360." eli, the latest state of play on this as far as i can tell is let's just pretend we haven't given up. >> that is what it looks like. i mean, one take away from all the clips you just played and we've known this for some time is the president's words don't poeld hold much meaning. the day before the vote he said you're going to vote whether we like it or not. up or down, i don't care. and then in the interview with the financial times, he said well, i pulled the bill because i didn't want it to vote. i didn't want them to vote on it. it just sort of completely and constantly revising history and talking about doing a deal with democrats. i think it's clear, and the president, if he doesn't know this, his people know this, that he just has no -- the democrats are not going to give him an olive branch when he is drowning here. they're not going to throw him a life raft and say okay, we're going to help you out on health
care because you just embarrassed yourself. they're not about to help him. and the republican caucus probably didn't change either that if he moves too far to appease the freedom caucus, he is going to lose votes in the middle there is a reason this is not very easy, like the president said it would be during the campaign. you're right. this is largely sort of an effort in making it look like they're still working on this, when really, it seems pretty unlikely to actually materialize. >> and kurt, the freedom caucus handled this in the most professional manner. they all said oh, we still want to work on it. when they were denied the vote that day, yeah, we're ready to go. we want to vote tomorrow. here is the great quote eli referred to in the times. this is the most beautiful trumpian thing we're going to have in this segment. he said "i didn't want the take a vote. it was my idea. i said why should i take that vote? yeah, i don't lose. i don't like to lose." now that would be the equivalent of his friend tom brady saying
we didn't lose because we decided not to show up for the super bowl. we decided to simply not show up. >> and all this back and forth and entirely incredible i didn't want to vote. we're going to go back. we're talking to the mocrats. let's leave the deal making aside. let's remember that bill they didn't vote on was going to be a political disaster if it was passed. it was going to -- if it was enacted into law, it was going to immediately deprive many millions of voter, many of them trump voters and republican voters of their health care. and 24 million over not very many years. so at the time, it looked to me for all of the wacky talking out of both sides of their mouths that they did, including donald trump, this oh my god, it's a relief. this is a disaster. but it's a political disaster, as opposed to the political catastrophe that enacting that bill into law would make. >> eli, the way this stuff normally plays sought that mike
pence does that meeting, and then over the course of the next two weeks or so, they show a couple of other meetings, and you have reporters outside of a closed door. eventually the meetings peter out. no one ever announces we're not having another one. and the media doesn't notice. and it all just kind of evaporates. and that may take them another week or two. >> yeah. they must be feeling a lot of pressure from the base to some degree. but it just -- it does sort of replek this a.d.d. that you see from this administration there is a lot on the white house's plate this week with the meeting today with the egyptian president. they have a big summit this weekend down in mar-a-lago with the leader of china there is a lot of consequential stuff happening at the white house. for them to bring this back and say oh, we're not done with health care yet. let's talk about health care. we might get a deal done. it shows this inability to focus on what is in front of them and on anything really for any length of time. and that is difficult.
and to continue to do the misdirection on obamacare and everything else, it's worked for president back when he was just a real estate person, when he was a reality tv star to leave everyone guessing. i don't know that it's going work very well with foreign policy or wit deali with congress going forward. it hn't so f in the first three months. >> and kurt, to your point of it was a bad bill. this would hurt you if it passed. steve bannon's breitbart was working really hard against the bill the whole time. so it was clearly a very big segment inside that white house that was saying it's not good for us for this thing to pass. eventually they can have it both ways which was it didn't pass, no damage done. and we looked like we worked on it for a while. we tried. >> not just breitbart, but chris ruddy, the news max guy who is trump's big friend. oh, good. get rid of this. actually, some kind of single payer thing is what we should do. and then i thought finally
perhaps when trump said we can work with the democrats, maybe he is going to work good on the theoretical trump lefty populist single payer infrastructure thing. which could be a brilliant move for him. but then that last addai and a half, right. so the problem is he's stupid. he just is ignorant of the issues involved. so when he talks oh, maybe i'll make a deal with the democrats, no, i won't. he doesn't even know that means. to him it's like making a deal to sell this piece of real estate and build this garage there where there aren't underlying beliefs rather than just transactional interests. >> and he also seems to believe that nothing he has ever said publicly would in any way inhibit a democrat from going into a room with him to make a deal. >> and of course he's had a career. but certainly a campaign where what he said three days ago, or a week ago or a month ago didn't have consequences. >> right. >> but perhaps now as president it is. >> kurt andersen, eli stoeckels,
thank you both for joining us. i really appreciate it. coming up, the "los angeles times" is publishing a series of extraordinary editorials about the president's dishonesty. sunday's lead editorial was entitled our dishonest president. and today's was titled why trump lies. most everything, so we know how to cover almost anything. even a coupe soup. [woman] so beautiful. [man] beautiful just like you. [woman] oh, why thank you. [burke] and we covered it, november sixth, two-thousand-nine. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ you wto progress.move. to not just accept what you see, but imagine something new. at invisalign®,
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times'" lead editorial was entitled our dishonest president. it began "it was no secret during the campaign that donald trump was a narcissistic demagogue who used fear to appeal to the worst in american voters. "the times called imunprepared and said the election he was seeking would be an unparalleled disaster. still, nothing prepared us for the magnitude of this train wreck. joining us the editorial page editor for "the los angeles times." thank you for joining us tonight, nick. you're now in the middle of an extraordinary series of introduce. how did you decide to do this? >> well, obviously like every other editorial page in the country, we've been writing about trump nonstop for months. we wrote a year ago we wrote our first big piece saying that he was unfit and unsuited for the job. so it's not really a surprise to anyone that we have negative
feelings about the new president. but, you know, we hoped for the best when he took office. we hoped maybe he would be constrained by the people around him or the magnitude and the enormity of the responsibility would make him come to his senses. and we don't think he has so far. and we decided that rather than keep writing one-off articles about mini scandals or bad appointments or, you know, bad executive orders, we thought it was time, even though it's early still, we thought it was time to sum it all up and try to put the pieces together and say what we've seen so far. >> i want to read passage from your second editorial, today's editorial titled "why trump l s lies." and i says he is dangerous. his mhods of falsehoods and methods of spewing them off in tweets as if he spends his days and nights glued to his bedside radio and was sometimes set off
by drivel from a talk show radio host by drivel he read on some fringe blog are a clue to his thought processes and perhaps his lack of agency. he gives every indication that he is as much the gullible tool of liars as he is the liar in chief. >> harsh. >> nick, is this a team effort going into these? these are major editorials. >> sure. this is a team effort. this represents the opinion of the editorial board of the l.a. times. there are eight or nine of us. and we discussed this for a long time. there are people of varying political persuasions on the editorial board. some of them are more conservative. some are a little bit more to the left. and we have to argue out what the tone should be. not everyone is always in agreement. but there was -- there was pretty much unanimity that we wanted to write this series, and that we wanted it to be tough, which it is.
>> i remember -- i believe i remember the first time "the l.a. times" used the word "lie" in relation to donald trump, which to my memory felt to be around a september of 2016 before the election. that's the first time i remember picking it up in my front yard and seeing it on the front page. but talk just for before we go, about the evolution at "the l.a. times" of the use of that word to where it is now, what these editorials are all about. >> well, it's true that we've used the word lies a few times in the news pages to describe something donald trump has said. i think you have to remember there is a distinction between the news pages and the opinion pages. on the news pages they have to be very careful about, you know, they don't want to suggest that he is lying if they don't know that it's a lie. if it's just a misstatement or untruth or a mistake or something he wrongly believes, you don't want to call it a lie. i think it took us a while to
get around calling certain things lies. but some undeniably are like the birther comments about president obama. >> nick goldberg, thank you very much for joining us tonight with these important editorials. we really brought it. >> thanks, lawrence. coming up, big advertiser pulls out of bill o'reilly's show on fox news after yesterday's massive expose in "the new york times." massive front page story about the $13 million that has been paid in sexual harassment settlements for bill o'reilly to keep him on television. that's next. (de♪p breath) (phone ringing) they'll call back. no one knows your ford better than ford and ford service.
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every aspect of our business, we don't feel this is a good environment in which to advertise our products right now. the mercedes statement said that the front page report in "the new york times" yesterday was, quote, disturbing. "the new york times" reported that at least $13 million has been paid by fox news and bill o'reilly to women in sexual harassment claims against bill o'reilly. the most prominent of those claims became public in 2004 when one woman settled for a reported $9 million. her claim included taped telephone calls with bill o'reilly in which the audio recordings reportedly indicate that o'reilly was doing more than just speaking on the phone. the times report includes the story of seven women. wendy walsh, who has not filed a claim against o'reilly told the times that o'reilly blocked her appearances on fox news after
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we're joined now on the bill o'reilly story by gabriel sherman, the national affairs editor at "new york" magazine and msnbc contributor. he is the author of "the loudest voice in the room: how the braille yant, bombastic roger ailes built fox news and divided a country." what did bill o'reilly say on his show about this tonight? >> it was crickets. he did not want to address a word, which is surprising to me because in the past he mentioned the andrea case. the first night that broke he leaned into it until he was called off by roger ailes and told not to talk about it. his silence tonight to me is striking, that he does not want to inflame and accelerate this scandal. >> and that's hard for him when he sees this big picture of himself on the front page of the "new york times." he hates them. he is filled with hatred about
this. it was an exhaustive report that detailed every single thing that is out there and discovered re. >>es. >> and so'reilly is just going to swallow it? he is going to lose the going t mercedes-benz advertising, say nothing in the hopes he doesn't lose another advertiser? >> clearly, this is a case where he knows that perhaps -- we don't know yet but his job could be on the line. he doesn't want to do a misstep that could be seen as the first step in him losing his job. >> if he does say anything, he creates a big -- a piece of video that everyone is going to start using every. >> of course. yeah, exactly? the latest filing today, what's new about that. >> julie rajjinski, she is a current contributor. couple things new, the post roger ailes leadership team is implemented in this lawsuit that they were enabling the culture of sexual harassment. that's new. what's also news is julie is a fox news contributor. as a legal matter she is not bound by arbitration rules
meaning this could go to trial, roger ailes, bill shine, all the fox news personalities could be deposed and if this goes to trial, be in open court. this could all be aired in public which has to be fox news's worst nightmare. >> how does that relate to the criminal investigation into fok's covering up the payments hiding them from share hold erls? >> it provides ammunition and gives prosecutors and prosecutors more people to subpoena. again, this is the kind of story that starts to snowball. if you are rupert murdoch you have to say where is my line, where do i want to draw it and stop this skangds. >> one of those lines would be bill o'reilly's last day of work. >> it could. >> up next, nancy giles and aaron gloria ryan will join us with their reaction to this news about bill o'reilly, which is not as surprised as you might want it to be. through dna i found out that i was only 16% italian.
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millions of dollars. she filed that suit last year against former fox news ceo roger ailro roger ailes. >> in this country, any time somebody could come out and sue us, attack us, go to the press, i stand behind roger 100%. >> joining us now, sandy giles, host of the giles files pod cast, also with us erin gloria ryan, senior editor for the daily beast. >> nancy, the happens to everybody defense. there -- i have a two-word problem for bill o'reilly in that defense. those two words are sean hannity, never been accused of anything. been at fox news as long. he's almost as rich as bill o'reilly. he is absolutely as prominent. >> oh, yeah. >> the it happens to everybody -- doesn't happen to sean hannity. >> and it doesn't happen five
times, and it's always a lie. it just can't. not with the kind of specificity of detail that each lawsuit has brought out. >> we are way over five now. >> oh, yeah. well, yeah. i'm not eve talking about ailes. are we up to seven? i think it's -- can i just say if i ruled the world when things like this happen not only with the aggressors have to pay big fines, big penalties but they would also have to admit their guilt. this is the part that really kills me, as a woman, being attacked in this way, your only option to get attention or to get notice is to go after them financially. and so o'reilly and fox have fallen back and helped support these kind of horrible actions without admitting guilt. it just drives me nuts. >> nancy, there is a survey from two years ago in a cosmopolitan conducted. 77% of women harassed in the workplace don't report it.
i wonder why. it's sort of like where there is smoke, there is fire. when there are flames shooting out of the windows, there is definitely fire. >> it seems like human resources is in pocket of the administration. >> a company is going to be in the image of whoever is in charge of it. look who is in charge of fox news. looking back, the 20/20 benefit of hindsight and seeing that they kind of made nothing out of the trump harassment claims. >> isn't that strange? >> it seems this is all maybe part of a pattern, this seems to fit into something that maybe is cultural. maybe it is a symptom of the same disease. >> i wonder, going along with what you said, erin, why does fox have any woman fans? just like why did any woman vote for trump just on the basis of the sexual harassment -- not only accusations, but we heard it on tape. some of the things that bill o'reilly did while he was
mastering his domain while talking to a female employee on other end. >> for fox news and o'reilly, who is the next big advertiser. they lost mercedes-benz tonight. that is a big one. and the question is are the rest of the advertisers going to hang in there for that hour. >> i think that numbers don't matter to fox unless there is a dollar sign in front of it. >> anyone could be next, i would think. >> more -- >> the o'reilly strategy of absolute silence, is it going the work? >> that, i find actually bizarre. >> did it work for bill koz be. >> no. >> it sure didn't. once it's out -- we are in a post cosby era now. once things like this are out, your silence speaks volumes. >> o'reilly had bo deedle among other people as privately investigating wendy mack rhys,
was that the first? i won't vote for bo deedle. any case, that same thing happens when guys are caught in a corner. >> nancy giles gets the last word. and you do rule the world here. let's get that straight. thank you for joining us. msnbc coverage continues into "the 11th hour" now, with brian williams. that's next. tonight another week, and it starts the same way. whatever agenda the white house may have, the president has another, and expresses it on twitter. tonight new reporting on the trump team and russia. also the man the "washington post" describes as almost untouchable in the trump white house. the author of that story joins us here tonight. and is the senate approaching a point of no return over judge gorsuch? why many believe the fight will change the senate forever. the 11th hour begins