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high level delegation. our best wishes to the entire bush family. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." craig melvin is up next. >> best wishes indeed. have a good weekend. and good friday afternoon to you. craig melvin here to you at msnbc headquarters in new york. a lot happening. government shutdown? that possibility looking more likely as the white house doubles down on demands to fund president trump's border wall. and speaking of that border wall, immigration crackdown. the attorney general and homeland security secretary both of them on the border today, vowing to tighten immigration policies and increase detentions. plus, hillary hits trump. the former democratic nominee swinging at the president and his administration during a speech last night. what she's saying about the trump administration's threat to lbgtq americans. we'll get to that in a moment. we start with the countdown to shut down one week from
today. congress must pass a stop gap budget. a number of obstructions in the way. most significant, the white house's insistence of a health care reform bill. president trump says he's not obsessed with the first 100 day markers, but a slew of executive actions this week would appear to perhaps undercut that argument. while meeting with a freed american hostage today, we'll have more on that in a moment. president trump said this about the budget talks. >> i think we're in good shape. >> we're in good shape he insists. let's start with kelly o'donnell at the white house. casey hunt is with me here. kelly, what does the white house want to see done here, let's start with health care? >> reporter: from the surpearltive driven president trump, he would like to get both
done. but white house officials say they have a feeling for the way this is going. they believe a repeal effort can take place, but they don't think that is on the short window of just next week. think they that, in fact, is too hard a reach and will bleed into the following week. when it comes to a budget, that's a much harder deadline and you can't mess around with that. we have seen over recent years when there's been the brinksmanship of going to the edge. and in the case of the big government shutdown that lasted a few weeks, we saw a different set of circumstances. there was a motivation toward a shutdown. that doesn't exist in the current political ethos right now. the white house believes it can accomplish some of what is needed in a -- what's called an omnibus spending bill. if they need a bit more time, there could be a short-term bandage continuing resolution to keep the lights o s on and operations funded. but the white house is saying
they think it is doable. and yes, defense increases and the border security package the president wants are his top priorities. but there's really not an appetite for anything that gets toward the cliff of shutdown. so i think that there is a sense they can work this out. often it's not pretty in the final days, but they believe it is doable. that's a very different set of circumstances than what we saw a few years ago when shutdown occurred. the vibe in washington was very different. the who wins, who loses was very different. and the sense that something would be accomplished through a shutdown in the minds of some conservatives, that doesn't exist right now. while it is still a big push and difficult to accomplish, the white house thinks they can get both. but they're treading lightly on health care reform at this point, expressing more confidence about getting government funding in place, to meet a deadline, even if it's a
short-term hop to a bigger funding package. >> casey, can house republicans muster votes on health care and a budget in one week? >> look, i'm very skeptical that any of this health care talk is going to ultimately end up being a reality. at this point, what you're hearing coming out of the white house and capitol hill are two so different things that i just do not see how it becomes a reality. maybe members of congress come back and decide there is so much pressure they will figure out a way to get something done. but the focus is going to be on making sure the government stays open. they have been on track to get something done, what's called in washington speak a cromnibus, which means they've written new bills to fund certain pieces of government and the rest of it they'll have to say we'll keep fund thing at current levels. different discussions are under
way, they may have to pass a short, continuing resolution to allow him another week to finish the negotiations. but members of congress will say that they can walk and chew gum at the same time, but there's not a lot of legislative time left. and they're primarily motivated by major deadlines. health care is nice to have, but it is not a must have pass. >> let's talk about the american woman the trump administration helped to release from an egyptian prison, what more do we know? >> reporter: this was a surprise moment that doesn't happen very often at the white house, where the president had a meeting in the oval office, his daughter ivanka and son-in-law jared kushner were there, as well. and she and her brother were able to visit with the president today. she called it a wonderful success about her release. she and her egyptian born husband were in prison for three
years. she's an aid worker and there were false charges brought against her that led to her detainment for that long period of time. the white house says the president was personally engaged in trying to secure her release, and the egyptian president was here at the white house not long ago, and they consider that an important part of what transpired in getting her released, giving the egyptian president that world stage parody of being able to visit the white house, be seen with the new american president. so this is one of those humanitarian surprises that we have not seen or did we expect from the trump white house. the kind of thing that happens in secret. and is a part of a negotiating behind the scenes process and they are not shy about comparing it to the obama white house, which had also engaged and tried to secure her release, but did not invite the egyptian president to the white house, kept him out of the country due to humanitarian concerns.
so different strategies being highlighted. in a bit of a softer tone against the obama white house, they're not say thing is so directly a failure of the obama team and a win for the donald trump presidency, although they would like everyone to fill that in. but this is a relief to her and her family. and it's something where imagine the extraordinary experience she's had of having been detained and today in the oval office. >> kasie, before i let you get out of here, we are approaching the 100 day mile marker here. some have suggested this is a media concoction, that this is psychological. president trump appears to be acknowledging that the 100-day mark is significant in some way, form, or fashion. this is what he said in kenosha, wisconsin about it on tuesday. take a listen. >> no administration has accomplished more in the first 90 days. >> all right. so that was tuesday in wisconsin. and then the president does what the president does from time to
time. he tweeted, and this was his tweet -- that's coming from the president here. you' your friends on the hill, what are they saying about the 100 day marker r they pleased, proud of what's been accomplished from a legislative standpoint this >> for republicans, you can't underestimate the importance of what happened with neil gorsuch. for republicans who, you know, have been invested in the party, maybe they didn't support donald trump for the domination, this is why you would vote for a president trump over a president clinton. they're going the give you these supreme court nominees. that's viewed as a major accomplishment. however, i think there's also a sense that the trump team has not approached working with capitol hill in a particularly effective manner so far.
president obama had a little bit more of a honeymoon. he basically got to pass the aca. once that past, they hemorrhaged their majorities in congress, they lost 60 votes in the senate and it was downhill from there, and president obama threw his hands up in the air and said i'm just going to do it all by executive action. i think we're headed more quickly toward that with president trump. you've seen a lot of his first 100 day actions come that way, be executive actions, and he has sort of struggled the figure out how to navigate capitol hill. they may blame paul ryan or other people, but they have not successfully taken republican majorities and achieved anything significantly legislatively. >> kasie hunt and kelly o'donnell, big thanks to both of you. on thursday, president trump denied the original health care bill ever failed. he says that it's merely been evolving.
>> this will be great health care. it's evolving. there was never a give-up. the press sort of reported there was like a give-up. there's no give-up. the plan gets better and better and better, and it's gotten really, really good. a lot of people are liking it. we have a good chance of getting it soon. i would like to say next week, but i believe we will get it. >> congressman tom reed is a republican from upstate new york and also vice chair on president trump's transition team. congressman, thanks for being with me. >> good afternoon, craig. thanks for having me on. >> let's start with this health care vote. how good is this bill he's talking about, what have you heard about a pending vote? >> i think we're getting closer. i know over the last two weeks, members have been talking as we go back to the districts. and i think that bodes well going back to d.c. to get health
care taken care of in regards to the first stage of the process. health care is going to be a longer issue, we have to keep that in mind as we go forward. >> we spend a lot of time talking about a health care bill getting out of the house. we don't spend as much time clearing the upper chamber, the bill that you're talking about right now, is it the kind of bill that would clear the senate, as well? >> i do believe it is. we've been working hard to fine tune it in the house and knowing that we have 51-vote threshold opposed to 60 votes in the senate, frees up the runway space to get this to the president for a signature. >> how is this bill going to be different from the one that failed? >> it's just a continuation of having the dialogue. >> you're not going to tell me, are you? >> well, no, i think the foundation will remain the same. we'll take care of empowering people and giving people more
choice. but you'll see different proposals on high risk pools. >> let's talk about budget here for a moment. can you cobble together the votes for a budget resolution? >> i'm very optimistic. i've been working with groups across the aisle. there's a real desire, democrat and republican, to keep the government open next week. i think working together, i know i just had conversations with a colleague on the other side of the aisle just today. we're working with members that are about governing. so i'm confident we'll get through this next week and get it taken care of. >> if the white house insists funding for a border wall is part of a resolution, is that going to have any measurable effect or make things worse? >> my hope is we can avoid these idealogical issues and focus on keeping the lights on.
and when those debates need to occur on a supplemental bill, then have that debate there. first and foremost, let's keep the lights on and move on to the continuation of the debate when it comes to the other writers. >> it sounds like you don't think any insistence on money for a border wall should be part of the budgetary process. >> i think the more we can keep this focused on numbers rather than idealogical positions on both sides of the aisle, i think it will bode well for the outcome next week. >> do you think that the white house's insistence that money for a budget wall -- excuse me, money for a border wall, that insistence, should it be part of this? >> i think there's room for that debate. i think there's an an sippetite border security. but the border wall is something i've been supportive of, and there's other yar areas where wn
get that funding secured. >> you had a town hall a few weeks back and you've had a number of these town halls. but this one was a small one at a high school. participants seemed to get fairly animated when the subject of president trump's tax returns came up. you were arguing the president has a right to privacy. take a listen. >> privacy and the rights of privacy are something we take very seriously. and we just -- see, this is where there's a disagreement. are you okay with those tax returns being released for any american citizen? >> he's the president. >> did not appear to be an overly popular argument there at the town hall. do you believe, congressman, that americans have the right to know how any future tax reform would affect their president's finances at least? >> well, i believe as we go into tax reform, having that open and honest debate with the american people is good policy and gets
to better policy for the american people. when it comes to the president's tax returns, i'm very sensitive to force an individual to lose that right of privacy. once you go down that slippery slope, that's a lot of pow tore give to government to get into private matters. >> so you don't care to know how any sort of potential tax reform plan might affect president trump's finances? >> i think obviously when there's a conflict, there are mechanisms in place. we've been dealing with oversight for many years, so i'm very confident that those mechanisms are there, that if there's any abuses occurring, we can get to the bottom of it. >> how do we know if those abuses exist if, again, we have a president who -- it should be noted that he said he would do it. now it seems as if he has no plans. but how do we know if those
conflicts exist if the president is not willing to give us his tax returns? >> well, there's a lot of information out there on the president's finances, the financial disclosure forms are there. there's many lawsuits being filed against the president. i think there's a lot of information that will come out. knowing washington, d.c. in the short time i've been there, the information gets out. and we'll be able to investigate any conflict issues. >> congressman, thank you for your time. enjoy the weekend. let's get to the microsoft pulse question of the day. should congress fund the border wall to avoid a government shutdown? you can cast your vote right now at pulse.msnbc.com. we'll check your results later in the broadcast. paris on edge after the latest terror attack. what it could mean for the upcoming french presidential election. and north korea reportedly ready to conduct a nuclear
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broadcast ahead of sunday's vote. president trump reacting and predicting this morning another terrorist attack in paris. the people of france will not take much more of this. nbc's matt bradley is live in paris. i know there was a briefing a short time ago. what's the latest on the investigation there? >> reporter: that's right, french prosecutors have just painted a very disturbing portrait of this perpetrator who was killed in the attack last night. he was very well known to police. he's been convicted four times since 2001 of violent crimes. but never known as a radical islamist. so that's part of the profile we're seeing emerge from these lone wolf attacks in europe. but this man was sentenced to 15 years in jail back in 2005 for attempting to kill a police officer, but he was never radicalized until last night it
appears, when he killed that officer and there was a note glorifying isis next to his corpse at the scene of the crime behind me. >> we know that isis has taken credit for this. to president trump's tweet, what are you hearing there about the potential of fact that this attack could have on the presidential election, which starts on sunday? >> reporter: well, that is the closest election probably in a generation here in france. and remember, as i said, this was a very violent criminal. he attacked several police officers with an ak-47. so a lot of french people are going to be asking, how is this man, who spent so much time in prison, able to roam free at large and get his hands on this weapon. he also had a shotgun in his car. marie le pen is considered this law and order candidate and she's talked about it, especially in the states, as france's donald trump. she's already been making more
populist law and order noises just in the past couple of hours, demanding the government close the borders to france. this comes to a head on france in a vote that's very close and will determine not just the future of france but of the european union. >> matt, thanks as always, sir. all eyes on north korea now, as they threaten a preemptive strike on the united states. the u.s. military has spy planes keeping tabs on their moves. how we could respond to the latest north korean threat. i'll ask a former u.s. ambassador and former cia operative. they'll join me after the break.
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the united states is facing new threats from north korea today. two u.s. intelligence officials tell nbc news that north korea is in a position to conduct a nuclear test with little or no warning. the u.s. military resources, intelligence resources, both taking active measures as they watch for their possible nuclear test. north korea, just one of the
foreign policy crises facing the trump administration in its first 100 days. i want to bring in christopher hill, ambassador to iraq under president obama and ambassador to south korea under president george bush. and evan mcmullen, a 2016 independent presidential candidate and former cia officer. mr. ambassador, what does north korea have to gain by conducting another nuclear test or even a missile launch at this point in time? >> first of all, we need to understand these tests as tests of various military programs. we often regard them as tests of us or tests of our new administration. but in fact, they're testing military programs. so what they have to gain has to do with the military program. but i think they will do this, they will go ahead with this, because this is kind of what they do. it's kind of a measure of defian defiance. and they're essential hi daring us to do something.
and they said they will come back at us and incinerate us, et cetera, that's pretty much part and parcel of what they've done for years. >> ravage us i believe is the language that they used. >> you recall a few years ago, they threatened to reduce the capital of south korea to a sea of fire. the real question, what are we going to do? how is it going with china? what is the followup to this diplomatic activity. we have a secretary of state who is home alone, same with a defense secretary, and we have a white house that gets involved in these things, but we need a sustained effort to work with the chinese, to reassure our allies. it's been great to have senior officials involved, but i would like to see a more sustained exercise in this. so far we only have a fraction of the government deployed. >> mr. ambassador, you're
implying that perhaps we make too much of these north korean missile and nuclear tests? >> i wouldn't say we're making too much of those tests, because those tests are designed to create a deliverable nuclear weapon. that will come sooner or later, whether one or two years, it will probably come on the watch of this administration. so i think these tests are important insofar as they are tests of military programs. we may make too much of the notion that these tests are an expression of defiance towards us. i'm much more concerned about what they're learning in these tests about these programs that they are working very hard to get online. >> evan, defense secretary mattis today said that syria still has a stockpile of chemical weapons. quite a significant stockpile of chemical weapons and that the syrian air force has disbursed
its aircraft around the country. has he created an effective deterrent to air strikes in syria? >> no, i don't think so. i don't see that as an effective deterrent at all. i hope the effect of the air strikes against assad's military capacity will be one in which assad ceases to carry out chemical weapons attacks. but he's doing much more to syrians through conventional and other weaponry. he's slaughtering syrian civilians by the tens of thousands. now upward of several hundred thousand. and this is unacceptable. the problem with these regimes is that they are not trustworthy. the deal that obama worked out with the russians and assad to remove a certain -- a large number of chemical weapons from syria, that was in part successful. the problem is, we knew very
quickly that assad held on to some of those chemical weapons and he shifted towards the use of chlorine as an alternative use of a chemical weapon after that, as well as other more traditional military teens to destroy his opposition. >> when you look at syria, when you look at north korea, when you look at china, even russia, we are approaching the first 100 days of this new administration. how would you characterize their foreign policy? how would you define the trump foreign policy? >> i think it's hard to define this early, because there's been such a shift over the past couple of weeks. you know, i actually support in a vacuum the strike on syria. i don't have an issue with the large bomb being used in afghanistan. i do think we need a harder line against north korea. i don't want to go to war against north korea. i think the quay key is china. i think those things are
advisable. but my problem or my concern is that they all happen right away, and through a sudden change of strategy, which calls into question sort of the motivation and what might be driving that change in policy. donald trump is somebody who -- he is a showman. he's also the president of the united states, but he is a showman, and he tends to go to where the applause is. his approval ratings have been very, very low. but these military efforts have been well received, for the most part. and so i think we have to ask these questions, even if we agree with the actions in a vacuum. >> before i let you gentlemen get out of here, i want to turn topolitics. there is a republican congressman in utah, jason chaffetz, says he's not running again. senator orrin hatch also up for
re-election. which seat does evan mcmullen run for? >> i would need to decide to run or not first, craig. but thank you. i haven't made that decision yet. i wish both senators well. i haven't decided if i'll pursue elected office in 2018. i do believe that i will run again, pursue public office again. i don't know when that is. i haven't made a decision about 2018 or beyond. >> how will you decide? how will you make up your mind? >> some of those things are very personal. not to say they can't be discussed. but it is a very difficult decision to run for office. i just learned that firsthand. my campaign was short and unconventional but very intense. sometimes it seems like things haven't changed much, even months after the election. but it's how best can i serve the country and the state of utah. i'm very focused now on
advancing things that need to be done. and i have to weigh all of it. >> if you'-- you've mastered thf not answering. mr. ambassador, interested in running for anything in utah? >> i'll pass, but good luck. >> enjoy the weekend, gentlemen. hillary clinton going on the offensive against president trump. is she gearing up to be a voice for the democrats once again? former president obama emerging from the shad doows. his vacation appears to be over. we'll tell you about his first public appearance since leaving office.
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clear where our country stands! >> president and ceo of the center for american progress, and receivabled kelly o'donnel white house. mira, we heard the secretary there, dancing around the criticism of president trump over the past few weeks. no mistaking her tone last night, though. what's your take? >> look, hillary has talked about issues related to civil rights, lbgtq rights, women in families. and sadly, a lot of these issues, if not all of them, are under assault in a trump administration. and so she's going to speak out more and more forcefully i imagine on those topics. now, there's going to be a range of democrats who do that in the coming years. she will be one of those people.
but she sees the administration really not even saying what -- not even doing what it said it would do, particularly on lbgt rights, and she's going to call him out on that. >> is this going to become her signature call or is this going to continue to be one of a myriad calls, if you will? >> if you look at her whole career, she's fought for women and families, for civil rights and a whole host of issues. i imagine that's what she'll be talking about in the years ahead. >> kelly, we've been hearing about the book that's out called "shattered." perhaps you've heard of it. "inside hillary clinton's doomed campaign." on the day of the book's release, i talked to one of the authors and we talked about reports of the drama within the campaign. here's part of what she told me. >> there was infighting from the very top. two of the top aides, there was infighting between john podesta, the chairman, and robby mook,
the campaign manager. there was -- one didn't trust the other. they both had competing interests. that went down the line. >> campaign press secretary and current clinton spokesman issued a statement that read in part -- >> kelly o., you've covered a number of campaigns before this one. how much campaign infighting contributed to hillary clinton's loss? what do we know about that? and was that infighting any more significant than the infighting which see in any other major presidential campaign? >> reporter: it always takes on a greater perspective if the campaign loses. there's always infighting in a losing campaign, and the infighting that exists inside the winning campaign somehow
melts away. certainly the trump campaign had plenty of its own internal disagreement. but for hillary clinton's team, especially running a second time, getting the nomination, the historic nature of her run, and a sense that there was some issues with her as a candidate, not a natural campaigner, something she admitted. there were the issues related to the e-mail matter that became a controversy. there were real issues that made it a challenging campaign under the best of circumstances. always difficult to run to follow a two-term president of any party, to be of that same party. it is always difficult to get the third term. so it is understandable that those who worked in the campaign wince at a book that talks about it, but certainly infighting is a factor. is it a decisive one? i don't think history bears that out. but for the campaigns that lose, the bruises last a long time. >> president obama making his
first post presidency appearance in chicago next week. we're told he's going to be meeting with some young people in that violent clplagued city talk about community organizing. is this the kind of involvement we should expect to see from mr. obama moving forward? >> you know, i actually think that we're seeing an incredible amount of engagement right now. there are people going to town halls and events. there's a big protest tomorrow. there have been a range of protests in response to the trump administration. i think the president has an incredibly important voice -- president obama has an important voice in highlighting how each of us have a role in really supporting those efforts that exist already. i think you'll see him -- there's been a lot of discussion how he's going to support those efforts going forward. i think you'll see that monday and going into the future.
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we've got breaking news that just crossed the fires here at nbc. exxon apparently one of several companies that will not be getting a waiver to develop oil fields in russia. the treasury department making that announcement just a short time ago. treasury secretary steve mnuchin staying, the treasury department will not be issuing permits. lots of folks had been waiting for a decision on this. word coming down a few moments ago that those waivers will not
be issued to a number of companies, including exxon. meanwhile, attorney general jeff sessions and secretary john keller are at thehomeland secury secretary john keller here today. calling out sanctuary cities in particular just a short time ago. >> i would say to the leaders of these cities, please review what you're doing. i say to the voters in those cities, ask your leadership why it is that they don't want to remove dangerous criminals from your community. >> nbc's gadi schwartz got an up close look at the session in california. he joins me live now from san diego with a report on a ride-along with ice agents. gadi, what did you see? >> reporter: hi, craig. we know that immigrant arrests have gone up under president
trump. ice says most of that is because of targeted operations, the same operations we saw happening under president obama. they say they are targeting criminals, and they took us along to show us exactly how it works. but while we were with them, we also saw one immigrant family use an immigrant rights card to turn agents away. take a look. on any given day in los angeles, the first immigration arrests happen happen before the sun comes up, nine teams like this one spanning southern california with lists of immigrants with criminal histories targeted for deportation. >> we don't do raids or sweeps. what we're doing, again, and what you're seeing happening this morning is targeted enforcement operations. >> reporter: ice agents waiting for this man to walk out the door before moving in. david marin is a field operations officer for ice, and he's seen immigration laws from
four presidents. >> if you're here in the country illegally, you should be deported. >> reporter: agents tried knocking on the window. but the woman inside flashed a card like this one, saying they would not cooperate without a warrant. the agents stand down. >> reporter: s she basically shows you a card from an attorney. >> it says don't talk to ice, i'm not going to let you in. of course, we're going to abide by that. >> reporter: back at the process center, the men rounded up are waiting to call their families. mr. rodriguez has a history of burglary and drugs. >> translator: nobody is perfect. everybody makes mistakes. >> reporter: he tells us his wife has cancer and he has five children. >> reporter: he says he doesn't know what's going to happen. he doesn't know who will take care of his wife or what will happen to his daughters. >> reporter: this man has been deported four times. >> reporter: he says the reason why he keeps coming back is
because of his daughters. what are they going to do? >> reporter: ice said they would rather detain these men while they were in jail but judges have ruled in several cases their use was unconstitutional. >> our preference would be to take these individuals into custody in a secured environment to some law enforcement facility. >> reporter: instead arrests happen at their homes in public or at work. in the communities, any talk of deportation leads to view. remova removals, deported in front of their kids. families are frightful that those with no criminal record could be deported. what about people with families here? that's an unfortunate consequence of our immigration laws, right? we don't make the laws. our job is to enforce them. >> reporter: marin says the laws
are the same but this institution is bringing change to more on who should be targeted. >> with this current administration, we've sort of shifted in that spectrum of criminality. it now includes everyone that's not only been convicted of a crime but those that have entered here illegally, whether they've been convicted of illegal entry or not. >> reporter: does that mean ice is prepared to go after everybody? >> that's not necessarily what we're doing right now. are we prepared? if we do get that order and tha that's what we're told to do, we're going to do it. >> reporter: leaving millions of undocumented families living under an american contradiction. we are a nation of laws and we are a nation of immigrants. since president trump took office, 16,000 immigrants with criminal histories have been arrested. so have 5,000 immigrants without criminal histories, and those numbers are up from last year and the year before, but they still aren't as high as they were in 2014 under president obama. craig? >> gadi schwartz there in san
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at our microsoft pulse question. we asked you, congress formed a border wall to -- should congress fund the border wall to avoid a government shutdown? 98% said no. my colleague chris jansing picking things up right now. >> so ambiguous. seven days until shutdown and pressure is mounting for the congress and white house to pass their first big budget test since taking control of d.c. will public infighting over the wall and health care keep washington from running past next friday? reviewing the rules. the president set to sign new executive orders this hour, rolling back regulations on taxes and big banks. critics say the move only deepens the swamp instead of
draining it as trump promised on the campaign trail. the city of lights shaken again by terror. isis says it's behind the murders of a police officer on paris' champs-dylesses. donald trump will sign two new executive orders this hour aimed at gutting some of the regulations adopted after the 2008 financial crisis. like most of the 25 executive orders he's already signed, these will have little effect except to look for ways to rescind the rules. now, at the same time, he's turning to the behemoth of a fight, health care. it failed on its first pass last month. but the plan has skeptics on both sides of the aisle. >> it is a very aggressive timetable, so i don't know. >> this is a terrible plan. it will hurt people in m