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[man] beautiful just like you. [woman] oh, why thank you. [burke] and we covered it, november sixth, two-thousand-nine. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ "am joy" coming to you live from los angeles. the last time we were here in l.a., i started the show with this bit of news. >> well, donald trump was up early this morning doing what he enjoys doing most, rag tweeting. the allegations by trump's itchy twitter fingers are serious. he's now accusing president barack obama of wiretapping his
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phones during the campaign. in the weeks since, we've barely been able to get through a news cycle without another effort by the white house to make sense of trump's tweets. sean spicer explaining the president meant wiretapping, not wiretapping. there was then house sbblg committee devin nunes secret nighttime meeting at the white house where his sources handed him documents supposedly backing up claims, which he then ran up to give to the white house before calling a bizarre press conference about the documents which we now know showed nothing unusual or illegal. it was a week we learned evelyn farkas, a sound bite which they pounced on as proof of the tweet. and sweeping rice in a controversy that was criminal but in fact she was just doing
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her job. now draining the last drop out of the cover story quoting an intelligence source who offers this conclusion. the white house said we are going to mobilize to find something to justify the president's tweet that he was being surveiled. they put out all points bulletin, a call to sift through intelligence reports and said we need to find something that justifies the president's crazy tweet about surveillance at trump tower. i'm telling you there's no way you get that from those transcripts which are about as plain vanilla as they can be. while we can finally stick a fork in that fake news, the real news keepscoming. remember the dossier with explosive details about trump's ties to russia, which we've been reminding you unsubstantiated. fbi used claims in that dossier for fisa warrant to surveil carter page. on thursday, a russian think tank controlled by vladimir putin put together a plan to
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swing the presidential election to donald trump. one of the reuters reporters that broke that story, ned, either talk about that think tank. how do we know they are linked to vladimir putin. >> this is not a think tank in the sense of western think tank, council on foreign relations or brookings, this is an in-house government research policy shop whose chief is appointed by putin and whose ranks and the head of this think tank internal kremlin policy shop is actually a former head of -- currently a former head of russia's foreign intelligence service. so it's a place for spies or former spies, and it reports to president putin. >> and you and your co-writers write that putin had the objective in mind all along. he asked the institute to draw up a road map to try to swing the election. was this a road map about
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getting donald trump elected or re aut preventing hillary intofrom getting elected. >> based on the public report that was published on january 6th by the intelligence community and our own interviews with u.s. officials and former officials who have reviewed the documents, the kremlin wanted to -- the kremlin wanted to invest the candidacy of now president trump and weaken the chances for clinton. in october there are two documents. the first one was in june, june 2016, and this document talks about the need for russia to wage an influence campaign through media and social media to get a new administration elected in the united states that would be favorable to russia. and then the second document in october once again reiterates the idea of this waging an influence campaign with u.s. electorate through media and social media. but in the second document,
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which is an internal kremlin document, these are not public policy papers but broad outline of russian government plans. in the second document, the think tank suggests, well, it looks like trump will not win, so less advance our messaging to the u.s. electorate to poison a future clinton presidency and also call into question the integrity of the u.s. electoral system. >> and both of those things were done. ned parker, thank you so much for being here. thank you for your reporting. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. now i want to bring in representative swalwell, subcommittee of the house intelligence comment. representative you just heard what parker was reporting there. the second half he talked about was this putin linked not really think tank but government home for former spies. they decided once they thought hillary clinton was going to within, they warned she was likely to win the election. it was better for russia to end
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pro trump propaganda but intensifies voter fraud to undermine u.s. electoral system's legitimacy and damage clinton's reputation. does it concern you given that that you have the administration that came in saying it was going to try to prove there was massive voter fraud? >> good morning, joy. yes, the tactics between donald trump and also the russia president seemed to converge there. we know in russia thatll stres flow to putin, whether it's academic, whether it's business or whether it's the media. there really is no difference like we have in the united states. so they did launch a sophisticated campaign. joy, we have to ask ourselves why. were they just board, or was it because they wanted to elect a preferred candidate who thought fondly of putin and who would roll back sanctions and reduce the roll of nato and it looks like that's what they are getting.
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>> we do know in one instance the trump administration has not gone along with the plan. they denied exxon a permit to go ahead and get around or have sanctions put aside so they could drill. at least in one instance in public, anyway, they are sort of saying no. what do you make of that? >> that's good. i was encouraged to see that what i'm more concerned about are some of these long-term issues particularly around sanctions and the role of nato. to hear the president slipped a bill to angela merkel when she visited the united states, that's quite insulting to our german ally and that yesterday he put his thumb on the scale to suggest that marine le pen, the russian preferred candidate could win in the french election is another effort to reduce nato's role in the war, which is the best check against russia. >> so we now know democrats and republicans are drawing up witness list toss try to talk to some additional people in this rather slow going but ongoing
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investigation into what we're calling russiagate. what we learned from new yorker, democratic list includes paul manafort, carter page who we would expect and republican list is almost entirely people from the obama administration. why would the obama administration's officials be being called in by your colleagues? >> joy, i'm pleased with most of the witnesses on the list. i think most of them are relevant. now, if the republicans want to put up hurdles, we're going to clear them and make it to the finish line. there's nothing that is going to stop us from finding out whether these personal, political and financial ties donald trump and his team had with russia also converged at the time of the interference campaign. keep throwing up the hurdles, joy, we're going to clear them and we're going to get to the truth. >> are we going to hear from sally yates some do you expect her to testify in open court, open congressional hearing? >> we do. that's a good sign to the public that this investigation can get back on track. we have extended an iitation
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to sallie yates and forr directors clapper and brennan. that was the open hearing that was canceled. i think as a sign of good faith that we are back on track. we have extended invitations and hope that's the first hearing we have before the next two weeks end. >> all right, congressman swalwell. on thursday cnn reported authorities are seeking arrest of wikileaks founder julian assange. jeff sessions had this to say whether doj was prioritizing his arrest? >> we are going to step up our effort and already are stepping up our efforts on all leaks. this is a matter that's gone beyond anything i'm aware of that is a priority. we've already begun to step up our efforts. whenever a case can be made, we will seek to put some people in jail. >> joining me now are malcolm
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nance, nbc contributor and author and state department spokesperson nayyera haq. let's talk about new information we've learned right off the bat. malcolm, i'll start with you. cnn is reporting russia apparently tried to use trump advisers to infiltrate campaign including carter page. not news to you. what do you make of this news coming out? >> i wouldn't call it breaking news. that's the entire basis of what's been discussed over the last nine months. i find the use of the word "tried" very interesting. i'd like to know why they feel the source, that this was a failure, it was an attempt. we don't know that. certainly at this point the entire house and senate are dedicating themselves to determine whether that infiltration had enthusiasticallily occurred. the infiltrators are in some way it has, otherwise we wouldn't be discussing this nonstop. >> we know one of the ways they tried to utilize the information
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they were able to hack was through wikileaks. what do you make of the very self-same administration that was reportedly put in or at least the russians wanted to be there and we know jeff sessions himself had some meetings with the russian ambassador that caused him to recus from russiagate investigation. now he's sayinghey are going to go after julian assange. what do you make of that? >> this is actually textbook hybrid warfare. warfare is conventional ground troops and cyber warfare, which is all for internet and information campaign that was being run against the united states. and the underlying purpose of the using hybrid warfare or cyber warfare is to avoid attribution and retribution. that's what's going on. you have people wondering, was it really russia or was it not. that's exactly what russia and putin want, to have the people they want in power compromise individuals, investigating them. they want to undermine u.s.
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democracy without anybody having a clear path to say, yes, it was putin. putin has interfered and undermined u.s. democracy. >> malcolm, you had cbs on thursday fbi launching a manhunt for the leaker who gave top secret documents to wikileaks. you have the trump administration now formally going after julian assange. what do you make of the new trump admin posture toward wikileaks? they may have to send a memo to sean hannity, a big fan of assange but now the team is turning on him. what do you make of it? >> as an intelligence professional my job is to predict the future. iredicted a couple months ago right here on this show. once the utility oikileaks had run out, that e bes thing they could do is you have to burn that source. the best way to burn that source is to use all the resources of the united states government to bring julian assange to justice, which would be the claim they would use, and put him on trial
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for cyber crimes and espionage. when mike pompeo took that first step a week ago and designated wikileaks a nonstate intelligence actor -- intelligencenti entity saying you're a terrorist equivalent, like the way we have nonstate terrorist actors, that was decided wikileaks is going down. julian assange will be brought to the united states, marched into the courthouse in alexandria, i mistakenly once said arlington, and there will be a trial for him, someone who openly admitted and used and now weaponized information. they can control it a lot better in a trial than they can right now with assange in the ecuadorian embassy. they better hope it's not a double edged sword and assange starts playing conduit of information taken from the republican party. >> that is an issue, too. can't defense for julian assange, you're saying wikileaks weapon knifed so did did mike
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pomp pompeo, mike pence and donald trump used this exact same information during the campaign. as the former fbi agent that testified in congress said, it was the trump team that actually used these operations against the united states. they used them. >> this is what happens when you invite snakes into your backyard. they will end up biting you. this is goingo ben ongoing challenge for this administration, the ties to putin and undermining of u.s. democracy at all levels. we're going to have to see this is really not a strategic play by administration. they are trying to play cleanup, bringing in julian assange could completely backfire on them and information releases but it also shows us putin is better at this game than our folks here are in the administration. this is a top level spy stuff that is going on. no one would really say that is strength of trump or his foreign policy or spy game.
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>> really quickly, malcolm. >> on that previous report you had about the russian think tank, i just want to point out it's not a think tank. i wrote about this in my book. it's called an information warfare management cell. that organization that i estimated over 300 people would have had to have been involved in processing all the information that would go into, as nayyera called it, which is correct, hybrid warfare, which is warfare against political institutions, people, systems, using information warfare propaganda in everything. wikileaks was a critical component of that. assange could quickly turn states evidence against the trump administration if he knows the links himself. >> tick-tock tick-tock tick-tock. it stays interesting. malcolm nance, we like you predicting things on the show. come back and do it again. nayyera haq, thank you very much my friend, thank you for being here. the same goes you are the company you keep, even if you're the president of the united states. dear predictable,
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go to rafe one day i walks past my desk. i remember it was after lunch, whatever, i went downstairs in the plaza. i'm just sitting there minding my business and he walks past and says, hey, hot chocolate. but he didn't look at me when he said it. i didn't respond. i was mortified, because not only was it sexual, i took that as a very plantational remark. >> that was one of the latest women to come forward with sexual harassment accusations
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against bill o'reilly that led fox news to put him on permanent vacation this week. the o'reilly described by his accusers sounds very different from the one donald trump defended to the "new york times." >> i think he's a person i know well. he's a good person. he think he may, you know, i think he shouldn't have settled, personally, i think he shouldn't have settled. >> but if the smile on trump's face in the photos is any indication he shares a similar with kid rock, ted nugent, a guy for racist and social media quotes. he said he'd be dead or in jail if president obama is re-elected. the company we keep. lisa bloom representing one of o'reilly's accusers, ali,
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contributing writer for "the daily beast." first i want to go around virtual table and talk about bill o'reilly. i will start with you, my friend. this was a shock to a lot of people who understood bill o'reilly was the biggest thing at fox news, the face of fox news, how was he brought down? >> i represented all three of the accusers that came out in the last three weeks. this was a concerned effort. we had a media strategy, legal strategy. it began with wendy walsh. she came to me and was concerned about coming out publicly. she was afraid. i told her two things. i will stand by you and we will bring him down. we are going to do this, wendy. part of the media strategy was coming out big at a press conference early on that would draw out other accusers. the one you just saw perquita burgess. i love you perquita, you've been fabulous. we talked about her evidence. i went to north carolina to meet with her. i was at her side when she then called into the hot line. there was a third woman who
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called into the hot line. all of us together we stayed strong, stayed focus. >> you called into the hot line because you pointed out no one called into the hot line. >> that was the greatest gift. day one they said nobody called into the hot line. i was trying to figure out what we could do legally. none wanted a dollar, just accountability. hot line, that's what we can do. i happen to have in my file from a previous against fox news their handbook with the hot line number and rules. there's no time deadline, no limit who could do it. we sat down, release the video to the press to shame them and they had to follow up on the hot line and it was that investigation that brought him down. >> you are one of a very small number of journalists who said this couldhappen he could actually be pushed out. you predicted quite a while ago he was going to go down. how much of a hit is this to fox news? >> i actually don't think in terms of business it's a huge hit. that's one of the things that was sort of confusing for me is why people were concerned he
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would bring down the network if he was pulled off. the fact of the matter is, tucker carlson took over for megyn kelly and did better than her. you look over at how his show that ha done in the past couple of days. it's not been bad. the idea of too big to fail is sort of a myth. it allows people like o'reilly, allowed roger ailes, despite the fact murdochs didn't want him around allowed him to stay in power for a long time. i don't think it will affect the network too much. some of their changes moving the show 5:00 to 9:00 p.m. may help him. >> he will not be missed sounds like. leticia, does this end, the ouster? >> by no means. i'm not prepared to celebrate. the reality is there's a climate of hate against women at fox news. the culture unfortunately
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continues. women unfortunately have to be worried about whether or not they are going to face sexual harassment and racial discrimination at fox news. it started with roger ailes, continued with bill o'reilly. there needs to be a top to bottom investigation and overview of the sexual harassment practices. eeo practices at fox news. until that is done, our investigation that's been filed with s.e.c., we're seeking investigation by s.e.c. as a trustee of the board we've invested millions of dollars in 21 century fox. they have filed false reports indicating some ofhese settlements. in addition to that we've asked human rights commission to investigate whether or not this climate continues. there needs to be some sort of protocols put in place. there needs to be oversight, independent monitor. women need to be protected at fox 5. unfortunately at fox news they marginalize women, did he mean,
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debase, and it is unacceptable. so this is just the beginning. we called for bill o'reilly to be fired, to be taken off the air but it's not over. it's just the beginning. women voted with their pocketbooks and advertisers obviously took heed of that message that it is unacceptable to harass women and to create a climate, this climate of hate and this hostile climate at workplaces not only in new york city but anywhere across the country including the white house. >> let's talk about that. that is a bigger picture. you built your practice on defending and protecting women who are in this position. we have a president of the united states who talked about openly bragged and laughed about being able to grab women by the genitals. you just saw him in the white house standing next to ted nugent who wrote a song about raping underage girls and adopted a 17-year-old so he could -- whatever. we don't want to get into the disgusting nature of his background. roger ailes, friend and
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counselor to the united states who has been accused of serial sexual harassment. people at fox, sarah palin in that same white house picture sexually harassed by roger ailes called a milf, we won't define what that means. chris wallace still at the network. the culture we have bigger than fox news. the country is going in the wrong direction for women. why are we in this position for 2017? >> that's true. everything you say is true. when women join together and stand up we can fight this and we can win. that's the message of this week. this week was a huge victory for women. it was a victory for three women who i stood with who found the courage, although they were terrified, to stand up against one of the most powerful men in the country and say no. we did this. we got this victory. i do a lot of sexual harassment cases. a lot of people calling, flooded with calls the last few weeks. every single person is scared.
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we do have laws in place to protect us. find your self a good feminist lawyer. get out there and stand up for your rights. wendy walsh did this because of her two teenager daughters. they encouraged her. they said, mom, i want you to do it. you can idot. they are terribly proud of her. this terrible culture, a lot of victories for women. we don't get those victories if we don't stand up. >> is there any frat boy culture that defines fox news. it is the place where men rule and women wear short skirts. that's the atmosphere whether bill o'reilly is there or not. not much signing of changing that. is there a sense at least from fox, your reporting, that they understand women aren't going to take it. they are at risk if they tib to allow that culture to reign inside of that building? >> not really. this is something lisa is familiar with. that place is a cessposecesspoo.
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i was horrified by stories i heard. each one of these people has not a lawyer but a sexual harassment case against the news and talent there. gretchen carlson sued roger ailes and mentioned steve doocy from fox and friends. he's still there. eric bowling just got his own show at 5:00 p.m. eastern time on fox news, and he has said some horrific things about women on the five and other shows on fox news. as long as you have -- here is two people a lot of folks don't know about that lisa knows about. with those at the network, nothing will change. >> we're happy to he this powepal. le tishand yash ar will join us later in the show. next she got dumped from big name retailers but ivanka's brand is booming.
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>> go buy ivanka's stuff. i own it. i'm going to give a free commercial. go buy it, everybody. >> since that commercial aired in february ivanka's global sales booming. despite losing retail in nordstrom, belk, gaining office space in the trump wing trump's brand which she owns but doesn't
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manage is doing quite well. considering three trademarks china proved for her company april 6th, the same day ivanka sat down to dinner with chinese president xi jinping. perhaps the group discussed fashion and missile strikes over those most beautiful pieces of chocolate cake. joining me conservative commentator kristen, i'm going to you first. the public not so sanguine on jared and ivanka situation. quinnipiac asked whether or not it's appropriate for ivanka trump to have a significant role in the white house. 36% said yes, 53% said no. when askedbout her husband about the same thg, 32, 53. yet the white house has rather brazenly making them public parts of the administration and their brands are booming. what do you make of it? >> you know, it's really unfortunate especially for a lot of conservatives in that populist conservative base responsible for donald trump's win in november, they really
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elected him to drain the swamp, right. that was a huge part of the message, because they felt like washington was corrupt, there was a lot of special deals doing on, special interests and people who had undue influence on the government that they the american people did not have. there was a total lack of transparency. donald trump promised going in he would clean that up. it kind of shows he feels like the rules don't necessarily apply to his family. of course even liberal democrats have spoken, of course, we give the family a little bit of the benefit of the doubt because they didn't ask for this. at the same time perception is reality. even if they didn't talk about those fashion deals at the table, we know ivanka because her name is tied to her brand, it's going to have that cache around the world. chinese millennials love ivanka. even if she does nothing with the company during her time in the white house, afterwards she's going to go back to this much more valuable brand. so the optics are not really great here. >> lisa, going into the election was that the trump brand was
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cratering, hotels half empty. suddenly people can't get enough. to the point of china, ivanka makes her stuff in china. she doesn't make her stuff in the united states she makes her clothes and shoes in china and singapore. they have a total of 215 shipments from asia since january 1st. meanwhile she's a huge hit with chinese millennials, some calling her a goddess on social media according to "new york times." one woman saying what would ivanka do when she wakes up in the morning. basically she's enriching herself and can cash out when e leaves the white house. >> it's disturbing. first of all trump has a pro nepotism policy. he only hires people related to him apparently. more importantly this is operating in the shadows. because she's not being paid, we don't know what she's doing. they work for us. they are supposed to be transparency, we don't know what she's whispering behind the scenes. is she out there silent pretty one promoting her brand by her
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presence, raking in the dollars. is she really doing anything. >> how is that not in the emoluments clause. meanwhile yashar, she has a staff. she's not getting paid but she can quietly build up her own team, who we the taxpayer are now paying. why does ivanka trump need a staff? >> well, she's in a position in the white house. the question is more why is she in that position. that position she's in most staffers, assistants to the president, have a staff. that's not unusual on its face. the fact of the matter what i say to people, imagine if chelsea clinton had been hired as assistant to the president, worked in the west wing, imagine if her husband mark was serving as president clinton's closest aide and they were still running the clinton foundation and still had the clinton global initiative. there would be riots in the
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streets. the fact of the matter is that the clintons, quote, shut down the clinton global initiative in anticipation of her winning. the last cgi was in september and they weren't going to do it anymore. the same should have been true for ivanka trump's brand. she ould have sold it and fully dwivested from it. this white house has standards that don't meet what most people think is appropriate. >> kristen, you talked about why people elected donald trump. where is the conservative world about essentially trump's running the country as if we're one of those countries governed by an entire family. >> americans don't like royal families. to jash yashar ali's point, wha republicans were so upset and outraged, they didn't want this nepotism and lack of transparency. it's interesting this conservative populist base that
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swung to donald trump, their ears perked up with syria bombing because many agreed with america first policy, focusing on domestic issues and not getting involved. their ears started to perk up and say, maybe this guy isn't exactly who we thought he was. i think they will be watching this all very closely. especially, too, ivanka and jared are more moderate. i hope they would use that influence anymore. if they start to push him leftward on social issues which some republicans say we need to give up some old social issue battles, if they start to push him that way, you're going to see the base go, hmm, this is a much different idea than we were sold on the campaign. >> i think we have to give up on the idea they are going to moderate him or make him more progressive. if anything they are pulling him to the right. >> there is a lawsuit, emoluments lawsuit that charged -- there's a restaurant group that joined the lawsuit saying unfair competition at restaurants near his restaurants can't compete. you also have a piece that
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trump's condo sales are booming since the election 14 luxury condos and home building broad $23 million into the trump family, half sold to limited liability companies. >> it's billions by the end of this presidency. they are lining their pockets at the expense of the rest of us. >> he may be the billionaire he claimed to be. thank you very much, appreciate you all. up next scientists around the country are getting out of the labs and into the streets. a live update from bill nigh the science guy coming up. stay with us.
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itbut one i think with quesa simple answer. we have this need to peek over our neighbor's fence. and once we do, we see wonder waiting. every step you take, narrows the influence of narrow minds. bridges continents and brings this world one step closer. so, the question you asked me. what is the key? it's you. everything in one place, so you can travel the world better. note the lovely green peacock. we did that for earth day. on this earth day scientists are leaving laboratories and hitting the streets in washington, d.c., in more than 600 cities around the world to stand up for
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science. while the march is not specifically directed at donald trump, it's hard to miss the context. the u.s. president who established his administration with oilmen and climate change deniers, who himself thinks global warming is a hoax, scientist s scrambling. like it or not, science is political. when it comes to the fate of the world, it matters who is in the white house. >> a few minutes ago, the united states ambassadors to every country in the world told the leaders of those nations what i'm about to tell you. >> in the movie "deep impact" it matters if the president believes scientists. it turns out giant hurtling toward earth. just like real life scientists did this week about the astroid hurtling to earth, the closest in 400 years. our president not keen on
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science. >> donald trump is a hoax perpetrated by chinese. >> i do not say that. >> yeah, you did. here is the tweet to prove it. here is a meteorologist to prove donald trump's climate generalism wrong. >> scientific facts. not trying to convince you of anything. we're in the warmest 12-month period we've had. we're now in the 24th warmest period we've had. we're now in the 36th warmest. these are all the streaks we have going. >> trump's dising of the science community reached new heights when he named scott pruitt head of environmental prophecy, same who sued epa 14 times and recently denied something 99% of scientists accept, that carbon dioxide emissions are primary cause of global warming. >> measuring precision, human activity on the climate is something very challenging to do and tremendous disagreements about the degree of imct. >> in trump's budget blueprint
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hashtag america first the planet basically comes last with epa losing a third of its funding. >> regarding the question as to climate change, i think the president was fairly straightforward. we're not spending monday on that anymore. we consider that to be a waste of your money. >> that was budget director mick mulvaney, he thinks saving the planet is a waste of money. also cut $6 billion for national institutes of health which funds research for cancer and other things that kill humans. oil pipelines and gut many of president obama's science policies you can see why scientists will trade in petri dishes for prers signs. >> when you have people who don't know about science standing in denial of it and riseing to power, that is recipe for complete dismantling of our informed democracy. >> godspeed neil, godspeed planet earth. it was nice knowing you.
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. in washington, d.c., and around the world, tens of thousands of people are rallying and marching for science. you know, actual facts, instead of alternative facts. and the scientists are leading the way. and joining me now from washington, d.c., is bill nye, the science guy, the honorary co chair of the march for science. hey, bill. we talked about this beforehand. greetings, greetings. let me start off with some good news, bill. the public is with you. the public is on your side and believes in the science about climate change. 59% of americans as polled by gallup say the environment should be private advertised by energy, and 68% agree. does that give you hope that science can survive this creurrt
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era? >> yeah, well, it gives me hope, the marches today. thousands are here on the national mall. people are watching in paris, sydney, australia. people around the world are very concerned about this. now, when you look at that gallup poll, and the expression is how many people prefer to have the environment preserved rather than the get energy, we in the engineering community want to remind everybody, there is plenty of renewable energy available. we just have to develop the technologies to capture it. and distribute it. and this would be something that's very doable. we can then get to 80% renewable in the next 15 years. we can get 100% renewable in the next 30 years. and we wouldn't have to have a military on the other side of the world protecting oil fields so that we can get our fossil fuels here in north america. this is an enormous opportunity for us. and i just want to remind the ministration thatcience is
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political. it is inherently political, like everything else. we have to make decisions on how to allocate our intellect and treasure. and it's in the u.s. constitution, joy. article 1, section 8. to promote the progress of science and useful arts. and my interpretation of the expression, "useful arts," is engineering. in those days it would be arrange tech you are, city planning, sewage systems and communication systems. this is all in the u.s. constitution. that clause is there generally agreed to establish copyright and patent laws. but that's what enables innovation. and if our country stops innovating, it will not be able to compete worldwide. >> and, you know, i'm glad you mentioned that sentence you said, "sigcience is political." there has been a back and forth, one person who wrote a piece, arthur lambert, who said he won't march because he doesn't want science bound up in politics.
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and countered by someone saying it's already political. and arthur lambert saying what you're doing is a bad idea. but the trump administration has done some things that are notable. they revoked the stream protection rule, the clean water rule back. funding for noaa and epa and on and on and on, backed out of the parisgreement. is the trump administrat a unique threat, in your view, or is the public sort of general -- i guess not -- lack of knowledge about science and what it does for the country? which is a bigger threat? >> oh -- well, if i have to pick, the administration is a larger threat. you know, the environmental protection agency was put in place by richard nixon. by any reckoning, he was a very conservative politician. and he did that for the betterment of the citizens. not for a specific fossil fuel interest group. anything but. so rve -- it was not the good
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old days when rivers were polluted and the air was so polluted you couldn't see the mountains in los angeles where you are today from anywhere in the valley. those were not the good old days. instead, we established regulations that have improved the quality of life for everyone. regulations are like a machine. you want all the regulations you need, but no more. you can't walk up to a machine and start taking pieces off of it. you can't walk up to an airplane and start taking pieces off and expect it to fly properly. and the same way, the regulations that we have in place are a result of 40 years of negotiations of politics. this is not a good or bad thing. it's a thing. politics are in the u.s. constitution. from 1786. if i may, for crying out loud. so let's work together, and make the environment clean,nd have renewable energy so we don't have to have a military on the other side of the world and we don't advance or make things
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worse with respect to global climate change. >> yeah. well, on that note, we are going to thank you, bill nye, the science guy. you can check out his new show, "bill nye saves the world" on netflix. and we'll watch the marches in d.c. and around the globe. thank you very much, bill nye. >> thank you, joy. you're in los angeles? not too late to get out in march! >> after the show. coming up, can there be unity within the democratic party. and the new book that's spilling all of the tea all over the hillary clinton campaign. the authors will be here.
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>> bnie, bernie, bernie! >> you guys, i still have two minutes left, all right? come on. all right? so maybe you came, though, because you're curious about the new dnc chairman and the future of the democratic -- >> so the come together and fight back tour wraps up today in las vegas. but about that come together part. bernie sanders may not quite want to be together. >> you're on this road trip now with the head of the dnc. reforming, reviving, transforming the democratic party. do you consider yourself a democrat? >> no, i'm an independent. >> msnbc political reporter, alex seitz-wald, has been following the tour. joins me now. so alex, you had a much retweeted and shared tweet that actually the rnc was sending around with a bunch of other tweets called clean up on aisle bernie, saying sanders puts out a statement saying it's
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imperative to elect oshoff. >> this was the congressional election. bernie sanders was asked if john osoff -- especially because the next day, bernie sanders and keith ellison, the deputy chair of the dnc, were going to omaha, a mixed record on abortion, prompted a whole backlash from pro choice groups. so a bit of a speed bump in this unity tour. but then bernie sanders put out that statement, clarifying that he is supporting jon oshoff, and coincidentally, didn't look great, tom perez happened to be campaigning at the same time all of this was going down. >> so what is the point of this tour? it is very strange. i have to say. just from the outside looking in, you have somebody who says sitting next to the chairman of the dnc, he's not a democrat. he has no interest in being a democrat. but yet he's on tour with the
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democrats. what -- have you been able to divine what it is that bernie sanders wants out of this? >> yeah. i've been thinking about it as tom perez's wild ride on bernie sanders coattails. bernie sanders is the most popular politician in the country, according to some polls. he won a huge portion of the democratic primary electorate, and tom perez recognizes that. he was not bernisanders' favorite candidate, and he wants to go out and talk to sanders people, be in front of sanders people, even if he gets booed. and i had a chance to speak to him last night on our way to las vegas here. and he says he has let people vent a little bit. and, you know, express their frustrations and try to show that he is listening. and he says, you know, take this with a grain of salt, for every one person who boos at him, there are 400 people who come after him and say they've changed their mind. for bernie sanders, he still has a very large platform. i saw some bernie 2020 t-shirts yesterday. and i think it's -- he even sees
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it as a concession to be on this tour at all. he's not a democrat, as you said. he had a big war with the dnc last year when he accused them of rigging the election against him. so i think he thinks that he can help the dnc, help the democratic party, move in a direction that he thinks will help them politically, which is more in his direction. >> and before we go, if it moves in that direction, does he plan to join it? >> he has not said that yet. and, you know, that's been his stance forever. he's always been an independent. it's akey part of his brand. he gets used of not being a team player. even bernie sanders fan will ask him to do that. i don't know if he will. >> yeah. thank you very much for your reporting, alex seitz-wald on the unity tour. thank you very much. appreciate your time. >> thanks, joy. joining me now, president of the brooklyn naacp, former dnc chair, howard dean. crystal ball, and marcus pharaoh, on the bernie sanders
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campaign. thank you all for being here. let's start where we left off with alex seitz-wald. bernie sanders to the point that alexust made, according to a poll, is the most popular figure on the democratic si, even though he isn't in the party. bernie sanders has a 57% approval rating. hillary clinton down at 42%. and it goes down from there. even elizabeth warren at 38. and it goes down, chuck schumer at 27. but marcus, the question that i guess a lot of democrats have is what is it that bernie sanders is trying to accomplish? he doesn't want to be in the democratic party. he doesn't want to turn over his mailing list, his e-mail list. and there's this interesting quote from the "wall street journal" that i found interesting. and i'm going to get your reaction to it. what he says is -- this is what he said in "wall street journal." our job is to radically transform the democratic party. it can't be just symbolic. it has to be real. it has to be those ideas, his ideas, are allowed to become the dominant theme of the democratic party. is bernie sanders essentially holding a party hostage and saying i'm going to keep my
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voters independent, and if you want them, you're going to have to adopt 100% of my platform? >> well, i don't think he's doing that. i think he actually wants to radically change the party. and he wants democrats to win. so with him wanting democrats to win, let's be honest. bernie could take his ball and go home if he wants to. he's not doing that. what he's doing is trying to move the party to a left in a direction that creates an environment where the democratic party is also as popular as bernie sanders is. i believe tom perez has a great opportunity to turn this party into something that the whole nation can get behind, and the bern bern berniecrats can get behind and support. it's going to be a little bit tough to turn them around. >> and do you get the sense that sanders wants democrats to win? >> i don'tnk so. i think he wants his platform and issues to win. me of which we agree with. some of the issues that he's
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championed are some of the issues that the democratic party and democratic candidates have championed before. i don't think he has an investment in the party. he says that. i believe in taking people at their word. and he says that. he doesn't have an investment. he's not a democrat. he doesn't believe in the party. and so, you know, i don't believe that he has any investment in democratic candidates, per se, or the party itself. >> and kris tal, in my twitter feed, there has been a lot of consternation by women democrats that bernie sanders wants some democrats to win. like this gentleman, melo, saying if this gentleman wins, it shows a progressive democrat can win. he was willing to call this guy a progressive, even though this gentleman is staunchly against abortion rights. so a lot of women said, wait a minute, how is this man telling us we must get behind 100% of his platform, including this
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guy, who doesn't stand for women's rights. >> i don't think it's any secret that bernie sanders puts economics front and center, and that is his primary and foremost concern. and it's also why he found such success in unlikely places. why he was so popular, for example, when he came to kentucky, and i was there this week. is because he put that first front and center. keep in mind, back when we had control of the house of representatives, we had about 36 pro life democrats. and we would not have things like health care reform if we didn't have those folks in place. so, look, we are going to be a pro choice party. bernie sanders is pro choice, but i think he's looking at states, and saying if we're going to have a 50-state strategy, you have to allow people to be in a different place culturally on some of these issues, as long as you're putting economics front and center. and frankly, what we have done recently in the party is we have enforced purity on the cultural issues, and allowed anything goes on economics, right? you can be in the pocket of wall street, you can be in the pocket
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of silicon valley. that's all fine and good. and i think bernie sanders is trying to reverse that, and it happens to be, of course, that i agree with, if we want to take that power in some of these states and if we want to get back in control of the house of representatives. >> and howard, as a former dnc chairman, would you accept that, that deal? that essentially all of the cultural issues that have driven the democratic party that have made it a multiracial party, the lgbt rights, all of that gets put to the side and to bernie sanders' own quote, adopt 100% of his themes as the dominant theme of the party, take the blue plate special, give up everything else, or else? would you take that deal from somebody who is not in the party? >> i wouldn't take that deal at all. i think -- i happen to agree that bernie's formula for economics is a whole lot better than donald trump's. so i don't quarrel with that. there is going to be -- you have to pay for these things somehow, and that has to be reckoned with. but to throw out what this party has done on racial justice. what this party has done for gay
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and lesbian americans, what this party has done for women, i think it's not possible to do that. there are moderate economic people who aren't going to agree with us. i think you have to do this to all the issues. bernie -- krystal is right. bernie at his core an economic populist. essentially an unreconstructed '50s leftist, which is fine. but that is not enough. that is simply not enough. in order to appeal to working class people, yes, you have to be an economic populist. i don't have a problem with that. his -- if he was president of e united stes right now, this country would be a lot better off than it is. but the truth is, you cannot throw everybody's personal and cultural rights under the bus, just for the sake of this. it has to be a big tent and we have to continue to have a big tent. >> to be a big tent, i just want to clarify. that's not what i'm advocating for here at all. i think this party needs to be first and foremost built on two pillars. economics for working class
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people and multiculturalism, pluralism, civil rights, quality. those are the bedrock pieces of this party. if you're there, i think you are a democrat. i think we back you. but you've got to have some flexibility in places like east kentucky, nebraska, et cetera. let's just be realistic here. if we want to be a coastal party, if we want to be a regional party, we can say you've got to be with us 100% on everything. but if we actually want to govern and pass things like health care reform, and get things like supreme court nominees who will be pro choice and support roe v. wade, we do have to be a big tent and we have to allow for flexibility on those pieces. >> joy -- >> flexibility on the economics and allowed people to be total tools of wall street, that's where we have allowed the flexibility. and i think that's been a disaster for the country and for the party, and i think that's what bernie sanders is saying here. >> i think she wants to get in. >> part of what angers me so much about this so-called democratic unity tour is that in
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order to have unity, you have to have all sides at the table. and right now, who is missing at that table is the democratic base. mainly people of color and specifically black women. i don't remember getting in the mail -- a no, thank you, card for the 94% of black women who tried to save this country in the first place. so there are no tour of going to black womennd going to communities of color and asking us how do we want to reform the party and how can we come together along with the bernie wing of the party, along with others, who have consistently voted democratic and consistently put in candidates on these issues to unite together. now what's happening is -- >> hold on. i want to get marcus in here. marcus had the job of trying to get people of color, african-americans to vote for bernie sanders. he was able to only get about 30% of the african-american vote. and is it fair -- to l. joy's
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point, to say to african-americans, we need to have flexibility on cultural issues to get white working class voters. but bernie sanders is saying, you have to adopt 100% of his platform. there is no flexibility on the bernie side, he's saying you take everything i believe in, period. or i won't deliver these votes. is that fair to voters of color? >> i disagree with that. joy. bernie is not saying you need 100% of our platform. but what i will agree on is, the same people who refuse to change this party and to turn this party into a more progressive party are the same folks who want to decide to reach out to african-americans a month before the election, and not necessarily do the adequate amount of outreach the party needs to do. i agree completely with l. joy. until we start bringing more people of color into this equation, until we start doing authentic outreach to african-americans and latinos across the board, until there is a unity tour with african-americans, then we're missing the boat. and right now, i believe this tour is basically the bernie
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sanders tour, featuring the chairman. >> exactly. >> and when you start bringing more culture to it, when we start having these places in the black neighborhoods, we have this tour in the latina neighborhoods, that's when we start seeing a better party. the same folks who want to keep this party conservative and moderate are the same folks who are making a decision about not doing adequate outreach to the african-american community. >> joy -- one quick point we should keep in mind. what we are talking about working class economics, we are talking about african-americans, and in particular african-american women. so i just -- i don't want us to feel like when we're talking >> so black women -- >> -- whitpeople. for example the part i went to in kentucky was in louisville, kentucky, quite a number of people of color there. that was something talked about. the labor movement was really centralized there, which again
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disproportionately benefits african-american men and also women. but i just don't think that it's accurate to say we're just focusing on the white people and we're just focusing on bernie sanders' piece. there was the whole range in the democratic party was in that room. base was brought on board. and frankly, i think there is a lot that the democratic party needs to learn from bernie sanders and the appeal he had across communities that we could draw from and use to get back in power in the house and across the country. >> so we need to learn from bernie sanders -- >> no, one at a time. we're going to let everybody get a final word. everybody get a very quick final word. l. joy first. very quickly. >> i take issue with the fact that we need to learn from bernie sanders how to incorporate black women and people of color. >> that's not what i said. >> instead of centering the base. my issue is we are not centering the base voters, that we are not -- and it's not as if people of color -- >> we've got to go. let me get howard dean in. howard, quickly. >> okay. let me just say quickly, you're all right.
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but the truth is, we also do get a whole lot of people who are moderate economically. we're not talking about people connected with wall street and all of that kind of stuff. we'll leave that to the trump republicans. but we do get people who are moderate on economics. so this is a tough one. i like this -- the notion of the points we've got to go everywhere. and i do believe we absolutely neglected our black and latino base. and we cannot go to them one year, one month before. so let's see -- let's see how this tour goes out. i think it's a great idea. let's just keep it up. let's keep -- let's see how it goes for the next two months. >> yep. we've got to go. this is a good one. we have to bring you back and keep this going. i wish we had more time. l. joy williams, howard dean, crystal ball. stay right there. the clinton book that has america talking is next.
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putin is a trained intelligence officer from the old kgb. he knows he can use flattery to get into donald's head, to make donald the kremlin's puppet. and it seems to be working. donald has signaled to putin that he will let russia do whatever it wants. the u.s. intelligence community has now confirmed that the russian government, which means putin, is directing cyberattacks against targets in the united states to influence the outcome of our election. >> since november, many have tried to answer the question, how did hillary clinton lose to donald trump? one theory points to russia's alleged hacking of the election, which is the subject of multiple ongoing government investigations with new details emerging every day. but to answer that overarching
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question, the newly released book, "shattered" goes all the way back to the mood in the campaign after clinton lost the michigan primary. quote, this person ultimately responsible for those decisions, the one whose name was on the ticket, hadn't corrected these problems, all of which had been brought to her attention before primary day. she stuck with the plan, and it cost her. joining me now, jonathan allen, head of content at side wire, and amy parns, coauthors of "shattered: inside hillary clinton's doomed campaign." amy, i'll go with you first. your book posits that the clinton team did a lot of sort of internal -- sort of, you know, wrangling about why they lost the michigan primary. what did they believe cost them michigan? >> you know, that's an interesting little anecdote we have in the book. post michigan, we have a story where secretary clinton comes in frusedbout what happened y there. and she is saying, you know, our
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message didn't get through. we need to do a better job with that. and that was one of the big tension points in the primary, as explained to us by her aides. that she didn't quite understand what was happening there, why she couldn't really penetrate and get through that particular message. >> but specifically a question of whether or not they were going after enough white working class voters versus voters of color, right? >> right. that's exactly it. and there was always this tension. they relied a lot on -- our book reveals this. they relied a lot on data and analytics. and kind of gave up a little bit on traditional polling. and, you know, i think a lot of people explained to us that you really try to do both. and so i think that that was -- that was a problem for them in the campaign. >> and jonathan allen, there is a pretty extraordinary excerpt from your book that says that even trying to create a slogan and a rallying cry for the campaign was problematic and said they were stumped for months about how to explain why
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their candidate wanted to be president. clinton staffers toying with the idea of how because it's her turn might fly as a public rallying cry. that happened? >> i think that broadly they had a lot of problems coming up with the slogan they wanted to go with. and, of course, the real issue here, and we talk about this in the book in depth, was that the candidate herself hadn't really come up -- according to one of her senior aides, hadn't come up with a rationale for her own candidacy that would be sort of the overarching thing, the clear, easy thing for voters to -- to grab on to, that they could fit everything else underneath. you know, joy, a lot of attention goes to the sort of juicy tidbits. and, of course, that makes sense when a book first comes out. but there is a lot of depth to this story. and, you know, i think it takes you throh e sort of roller coaster. so, you know, amy was just talking about the michigan primary d how disappointing that was for hillary clinton, how many harbingers there were in that.
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particularly she lost white women, which was a huge shock to her campaign. of all of the numbers, they got a lot of things right. they had no idea they were about to lose white women in michigan. but there were also a lot of high points in this book, and during the course of the campaign that, you know, people i think are starting to find as they actually read the book and not just some of the excerpts that have come out. the huge primary victory on march 15th, where she took missouri, illinois, florida, north carolina and ohio. you know, they were not expected to win all of the states. that pretty much put the primary away in terms of math, even though it continued on for a long time. she hit it out of the park in terms of the three debates. and pretty much many of those moments throughout the campaign that were highly tense, the benghazi hearings, for instance. i can i think when people read this book they will see a lot of positive moments and a lot of lessons for not only democrats to learn going forward about how to run campaigns, but pretty
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much any candidate who is interested in running for office and anybody who really loves politics. >> yeah, and, you know, amy, there is a -- you know, the externals of the internals, and the big debate about your book is how much is being put on the onus on the campaign sort of inner workings and dysfunction and how much is being out on external things like russian interference. and also the e-mails. jonathan has written a lot about this, the obsession the media has with clinton's scandal bucket. anything they do is suspect. there was a piece in your book where it talks about bill clinton not wanting hillary clinton to apologize for the server. and to rather explain it. explain that a little bit. >> yeah. you know, there was a lot of debate about what she needed to do with the e-mail issue. and it took up a lot of oxygen that summer in 2015. she had just launched her campaign, the big speech in roosevelt island. they couldn't quite get their message across. it was completely overshadowed by e-mail. so there was this big debate
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internally about what they do and how they handle it. and i think they both thought for a while they suldn't apologize. what they did wasbove ve and they didn't really need to do that. and i know a lot of her aides were kind of pushing them in the direction and felt that they should, that they should acknowledge it and say something and apologize. so finally, they got to a place where they had to, because i think she had to acknowledge it to kind of move on and put it behind her, and then continue on with her campaign. but it was like a source of frustration, i think, for a while, particularly that summer. >> and jonathan, you know, we were -- in the previous segment before you guys came on, a big debate that the democratic party is still having about these various constituencies they have to balance out. a fascinating story in your book about chris van holland, of course, running for senate in maryland. and this decision essentially that you had a question of whether or not if people did too good a job of getting out black voters it would hurt van holland so he was trying to protect himself by not pushing to have
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more black voters come out. she halls a quote, who gives an f about chris van holland, what are we going to do to fix this. and essentially says do you want another friend in the senate or white house. in that case siding with black voters. talk a little bit about that -- that tension between trying to get out union votes and white working class voters and voters of color. >> that's exactly right. so at this point in the campaign, it's april of 2016, and clinton is trying to put bernie sanders away. and she wants -- she knows she's going to win maryland, but wants to run up the score. so for her to do that she wants a huge african-american turnout, particularly where the big african-american population centers in the state of maryland. and baltimore is a particularly good place to find union members who are african-american. van holland is running against donna edwards, a fellow house member in the primary. and for -- dondwards is african-american.
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van holland, who is white. for him, a huge african-american turnout in baltimore could have put donna edwards over the time. so the tension between what clinton needs. van holland has said he did nothing to suppress the vote there. but obviously his interest was not to have a larger vote. and hillary clinton's reaction to that was, as you showed, "f chris van holland," basically saying i'm the candidate, the presidency matters, not the senate seat. >> wow. very interesting book. jonathan allen and amy parnes, have a hot book out right now. thank you very much for being here. it's called "shattered." up next, donald trump's ever-expanding war on immigration.
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think that's terrible. we have to be careful of that, steve. you know, we have to keep our talented people in this country. i think you agree with that. do you agree with that? >> well, i've got a tougher -- when two-thirds or three quarters of the ceo in silicon valley are from asia, my point is that a country is more like -- sessions. a country is more than an economy. we're a civic society. >> that was donald trump and stephen bannon back in 2015 before their rapid ascent to the white house. bannan, chairman of breitbart, suested that highl skilled workers from asia are taking american jobs. fast forward to 2017, trump is now president and his -- with his 100 day mark looming, he hit the road, talking economic populism that drove his campaign, but which he has largely dropped in favor of policies, favoring the uber rich and the far right. tuesday, he swung through
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kenosha, wisconsin, in front of an american flag, fashioned out of wrenches and to target, once again, immigrants as the source of our economic woes. >> right now, widespread abuse in our immigration system is allowing american workers of all backgrounds to be replaced by workers brought in from other countries to fill the same job for sometimes less pay. this will stop. >> what a difference getting elected makes. trump isn't saying any more that we need to keep the talented people in the country. but is now trying to keep them out. his buy american, higher american executive order signed that same day targets the h1b visa program which helps tech companies like those in silicon valley hire highly skilled international talent. the order makes no immediate changes, but calls for agencies to study existing procedures to suggest reforms. meanwhile, the order places no such emphasis on the h2b visa,
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from the muslim ban to building a wall, donald trump's war on immigrants has been a signature component of his first 100 days. this week, his ire was focused on the highly skilled foreign workers who helped to propel companies in silicon valley like google and intel. notably, these companies were also founded by immigrants. trump has signed an executive order aimed at examining the visa program that allows companies to employ foreign workers in specialty occupations. the trump administratiays
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e program undercuts american jobs by using cheaper international employees. but tech leaders are anxious to keep it. joining me now is democratic representative, ted lew, right here in the golden wonderful state of california. so this buy american, hire american act, congressman lew, what does it do? >> the executive order signed by the president does virtually nothing. i'm very familiar with the buy american act. when i served on active duty in the air force, i worked on some of these issues. the executive order says it's going to be the policy of the executive branch to have a preference for american products. that is the law. congress passed law in 1933 saying exactly that. so basically the executive order says follow the law. yay, but really does nothing. it's just show, no substance. >> we already know that the keystone pipeline and the pipe lines being built are being built with russian steel, we're not using american products there. donald trump himself employs a mostly foreign work force at mar-a-lago, not going after that. and even wrong about two-thirds to three -- he says two-thirds
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are asian in silicon valley. that's not true. 22.2% of professionals and 13.9% of executives. very few white men are 149% more likely to be in executive. and 260% more likely than asian women to be an executive. so there is no takeover by asian -- asian-americans or from southeast asia in silicon valley. >> that's correct. and keep in mind, the blue collar workers in ohio and wisconsin are not losing foreign jobs to computer scientists from foreign countries. these tech companies need these positions, because if you're a computer scientist in america, you're in high demand. and we really need to focus on making sure these tech companies can continue to prosper and grow. >> and california has -- a world ass university system that -- atacts lot of international students. are you seeing anyort of backlash from the rhetoric that's coming out of the white house in terms of being able to attract that kind of talent into
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the universitys here? >> so anecdotally, i've talked to several universities and they're seeing less graduate students apply. and that's bad. because if you have any country that doesn't have immigration, they stagnate. the ones that do well are countries like america, where we have immigrants that renew our country, provide innovation and growth. there is also a high level of hypocrisy with this executive order. donald trump makes a lot of his products overseas. >> yeah. i think -- i don't think any of his products are made in the united states. they're all made in mexico and china. >> that's why i don't buy any items from the donald j. trump organization. >> your suit looks good. there is also a dark side to this rhetoric that's targeting people of color, including asian-americans. there has been an increase in hate crimes against people of asian descent. finding 130 reports of hate crimes and hate incidents since january. >> the segment you played with the interchange with president trump and steve bannon does show
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a very troubling aspect to this white house. which is you've got steve bannon, a principle adviser, having racist views. he views having too many asian-americans, for example, in silicon valley, is bad. no, that's just american. even if it were true, it would just be american. and to discriminate based on race is offensive and gives license for people to engage in ra hate crimes. >> not only bannan and steven miller and anton, the nazi organization, and also the attorney general's office, jeff sessions agrees with steve bannon 100% on immigration. there is obviously nothing the congress with do about them being there. but have you heard a hue and cry from other members that they're meeting with these people in the room? >> you are absolutely seeing a reaction from the american people. the amazing women's march, a march for science today. you have people pushing back. and it's very clear to me that there is a huge reaction to the racism and bigotry coming out of the white house. >> i want to show, you had a large town hall, and, of course, used -- you're one of our
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favorites in terms of twitter. you are great on twitter and this is the bigley crowd at high town hall last night. they don't like you. i'm with ted. what was the biggest issue for people at this town hall? >> everythin they were very concerned about the environment, they were concerned about the repeal of the affordable care act. replacing it with a far worse law. they were concerned about the president having no strategy in north korea and syria. so we are in some dangerous times. and i urge everyone to get involved and to take action. >> yeah. and as far as you know, since you are in congress, are we going to get any progress from congress in actually standing up to the administration and using its article 1 powers to redress some of these issues? >> so one reason the affordable care act was not replaced, because all the democrats stuck together. and said we're not going to support a far worse trumpcare piece of legislation. so as long as that happens, i think we still have enormous leverage in congress.
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>> congressman ted lieu, thank you very much. >> thank you. coming up at the top of the hour, the massive rallies for science taking place in washington, d.c., and hundreds and hundreds of cities around the world. next on "a.m. joy," the fabulous and very funny kathy griffin fresh from ted lieu's town hall is going to join us live in studio. in a minute. don't let dust and allergens get between you and life's beautiful moments. flonase allergy relief delivers more complete relief. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances
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and finally tonight, pin heads and patriots. comedian kathy griffin, not a big fan of fox news, but apparently her mom is. >> my mother loves fox news, and she
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finally tonight, comedian kathy grifen, not a big fan of fox new, but apparently her whom is. >> she loves bill o'reilly and we get in to big fights about it. she calls him her boyfriend. >> certainly not crazy. she's a patriot. >> kathy grifen's mom may have to do some channel surfing now that bill o'reilly has been booted. joining me now, kathy grifen. how is your mind doing? >> first of all, shie's drunk right now. but she dumped o'reilly for hannity for nothing. and she thinks tucker carlson is real. she's 96, so she doesn't remember that we thought we were done with him. and she thinks that judge is real too. real too. like the off the shoulder >> think about that. that makes sense. comedians, obviously you've had a field day with bill o'reilly. i'll play a montage of some of your com patriots giving him the late night business. >> this is a lesson for all of us. if you behave like an animal, you can't host a talk show. you can be president, but you can't host a talk show. >> fox news decided to extend bill's vacation to forever. of all the jobs president trump promised to create, you couldn't think bill o'reilly's would have been one of them. >> listen, don't forget in case you're a fan of sexual harassers who are on tv all the time, we still have donald trump.
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>> is there-besides donald trump as funny for you guys? >> oh, yes, but i also -- you know, i'm not afraid to go too far, i'm not afraid to offend and i will go to the science march after this and i have a sign that says would barron drink flint water. i'm not saying it will be popular with some people, but it will be noticeable. and maybe someone will chuckle. i did shows last weekend and every show when i'm in the bible belt or deep south, i'm thinking how far can i go on you trump. they were more enthusiastic. the week before in ohio and pittsburgh, audiences were great, but for some reason in lake charles and biloxi, it was like the progress receive foliv the drive. but honestly, i could really go for truck. i was making fun of his nest and the whole, you know, how he put made plelania in that crate and
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shipped her over. my parents say that's how it's done. >> every time i talk to you, it gives me hope. but i wonder whether or not what you see out there, but you actually talk to americans in the real world. >> and ild be candid, i don't know that like when i play my beloved ohio, i think last week independe end i was in about columbus and cincinnati. and i always pass this one frickin' house that has a giant con federal flas flfederat fefe. and the whole audience knows it in every city in ohio. so is it a gofundme page, what is going on, please don't tell me it's a museum. but i do, i want people to know i travel the real america. 50 cities this year, 80 last year. but i love learning what people are concerned about. and i'm glad inthat people are allow meeg to make so much fun of trump because now they're all aware of the policies.
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so my act has shifted. even three years ago it was pretty much all housewives and kardashian, but now everywhere whether carnegie hall or lake charles, people -- everybody knows all the kellyanne conway too much gucci, you know what i mean. the head to toe. >> and the gucci that was sort of like a general jacket. >> it was war look. it was uncomfortable. >> and one place you went -- >> and everyone knows it. steve bannon does make a weekend mess. allegedly. >> some people say. >> as long as you say allegedly. >> i've heard from people. >> so you also recently were at ted lu's town hall. look at this. >> i'll tell you --
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>> how can dcan democrats get together? >> it's my bigger fear. when i went to the town hall, busters, hillary people, and so great to talk to everybody. but my biggest fear is there is still a real division undetatent. but what i'm confused with is what will it take to mak all us realize we actually do have the same -- we are very like minded on almost every issue. i would guess most democrats if they fougthought single payor w doable easily, we'd all be for it. when i hear the former trumper, once they understand what the aca is, they go wait a minute, i don't know if i want the aca, i want single payor.
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so my issue is when i saw dianne feinstein being booed at a town hall, tom perez being booed at a town hall by democrats, barbara boxer, first female -- diane an barba and barbara first female senator, i'm 56, in a very male dominated field, i don't even make close to 80 cents on the dollar of my com patriots. i wish. i know nobody wants patience, but sometimes things happen quickly and sometimes it's just a slog. but i do see progress. >> and dwho you hope comes out of the science march? >> i think more people talk about it and what is cool, you will seal people marching -- most of the people saying they are going are saying i've never even baby toeen to a march. i'm looking to talking to people, learning, laughing,
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shared experiences. what they like, what they don't like. >> well, we know if you're there, they will definitely be laughing. and that is our show for today. join you tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. for more a.m. joy. upext live coverage of the marches for signs. and plus jon ossoff on his high stakes runoff. sheinelle jones has more news at the top of the hour.
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apparently, i kept her up all night. she said the future freaks her out. how come no one likes me, jim? intel does! just think of everything intel's doing right now with artificial intelligence. and pretty soon ai is going to help executives like her see trends to stay ahead of her competition. no more sleepless nights. - we're going to be friends! - i'm sorry about this. don't be embarrassed of me, jim. i'm getting excited about this! we know the future. we're going to be friends! because we're building it. i'm sheinelle jones in new york. high noon in the east. day 93 of the trump administration and earth day being marked in cities around the nation and across the globe today. tens of thousands in the nation's capital with a very pointed message. live reports ahead. and the president is


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