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tillerson is chairing a meeting of the security council this hour. the u.s. is flexing more muscle toward north korea. overshadowing president trump with some ominous words for pyongyang. >> there's a chance that we could end up having a major, major conflict with north korea. absolutely. on capitol hill, lawmakers scrambling for a budget deal. republicans forced to put health care on hold and government running 0 it of money tonight. plus, that very revealing interview with president trump. what he's admitting about the job, what he misses about life before 1600 pennsylvania avenue why he shifted on campaign promises like nafta. a lot to cover on the eve of the 100-day milestone. andrea mitch el, hans nick alcohols. andrea to you. what are we expecting to hear
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from rex tillerson. >> he was planning to lay out an economic pressure tactic against north korea. laying out what the stakes are, how high the stakes are given north korea's nuclear weapons and missile technology and try to put pressure on the rest of the world toin crease the squeeze play against north korea. the sanctions are not nearly enough. china have been praising for what china has done and what the president's relationship with president xi has produced. but most experts do nont believe it's produced enough. there is still fuel flowing to north korea. china is its only source. this is the only stage for rex tillerson to say they have to do more. a lot of this is contradicted in the president's interviews in the last 24 hours. the president speaking about military action and the fact there could be a military confrontation with north korea. this is not the language of
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diploma diplomacy. not what the secretary of state and not what all 100 senators heard from the top national security officials and the president's brief appearance with the vice president at the beginning of the briefing earlier this week at the executive office building on the white house grounds. so the president diverted from that. tillerson in an npr interview said this morning that they were -- would consider diplomacy with north korea but not diplomacy for the status quo. direct talks with north korea if they were rolling back their neck technology and missile advancement. but that is not the message we heard from president trump and it's simply a diversion in what foremaner president obama and previous presidents including george w. bush had done with north korea. this is a moment on the world stage for rex tillerson indeed at the security council. an unusual meeting. it's chaired this month by the u.s. and that means nikki haley. and there are also reports that
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there's tension between the state department and the u.n. because of her high profile if you will and rex tillerson's low profile in the media. tension within the foreign policy cabinet as they sit together at the united nations. >> a huge moment. a critical moment. and i want to play, because you mentioned, the interview that rex tillerson did. here's what i think made a lot of people sit up and take notice. take a listen. >> do you intend to direct talks with north korea? is that your goal? >> obviously that would be the way wae would like to solve this, but north korea has to decide they're ready to talk to us about the right agenda. and the right agenda is not simply stopping where they are for a few more months or years and then resuming thing. kristen welker, that is a change. is it true what rex tillerson is saying? does she have the full backing of the administration that the u.s. wants to solve the korean
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issues with direct talks? >> reporter: based on my conversations with senior administration officials, the secretary of state is working in concert with the president. it would be unlikely that he would be delivering a message that breaks with the way in which the president is thinking about this situation with north korea. but i want to understore the thinking inside the white house, which is that they are favoring diplomacy over military action. you did hear president trump issue that stern warning effectively saying, look, it is something that is possible. but we know it is a last resort. they want to work on sanctions first, to see if that is effective. they have been ramping up the pressure on china to see if that is a way to get north korea to back down. and you heard president trump in that interview with reuters really stress the fact that one, the talks with china are moving in the right direction, have been successful, and two, that china has really gone further than we've seen that country go before in terms of ramping up
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pressure on north korea. you'll recall the president had the meeting with president xi at mar-a-lago. and the relationship between the two men is one that has been strong, moving in the right direction and they seem to be on the same page as far as how to proceed. however, certainly room for improvement. they want to let diplomacy play out and talks with north korea would familiar into that category. just stressing this point, they do see military options as a last resort. >> we're seeing rex tillerson there at the united nations, nikki haley as well. hans nick alcohhols, if i have interrupt you, you'll understand. there's virtually no u.s. ground intelligence in north korea. how good is the technology intelligence, if we can call it that. and do we have any human intelligence at all? >> i don't know the answer to that last one on human
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intelligence. i do know that the north koreans have the capacity to surprise the pentagon. they've been saying that for the last several weeks. echoing what kristen was saying on military option being the last option, that is clearly being echoed here at the pentagon. you don't see anybody that doesn't want to ceda plomcy succeed first. the pentagon is trying to parse what the president was meaning in his comments last night to roiter. one official described the as a signal to the american people they need to focus on this issue, north korea presents a serious threat. what was the signal to the present dewon. does that mean the pentagon should be preparing organization options and they said we're also preparing options, we always have that in our back pocket. the president has no need to singsi signal that to us. >> you late out what we expect
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to hear from rex tillerson. looks like he's about to start. let's listen in. >> meeting of the security council is called to order. the provisional agenda for this meeting is nonproliferation, democratic people's republic of korea. the agenda is adopted. i wish to warmly welcome the secretary general, ministers and other distinguished representatives present in the security council chamber. your presence underscores the importance of the subject matter we will discuss today. in accordance with rule 37 of the council's provisional rules of procedure, i invite the representative of the republic of korea to participate in this meeting. it is so decided. on behalf of the council i welcome his excellency, minister
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for foreign affairs of the republic of korea. welcome. the security council will now begin its consideration of item two of the agenda. i wish to draw the attention of council member to document s/2017/337, aet letter dated 18f april 2017 in the permanent representative of the united states of america to the united nations addressed to the secretary general transmitting a concept paper on the item under consideration. i give the flar to the secretary general, mr. tony ga dare ris. >> thank you, mr. president. let me thank the united states and thank you personally for convening this meeting. the situation on the korean peninsula is one of the longest standing and most serious issues before the united nations.
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the security council first adopted the resolution on the democratic people's republic of korea dprk -- >> andrea mitchell let me go to you for some play by play. most people watching this are not aware of how these sessions would be, how unusual it is for the secretary of state to be doing what he's doing. set the stage for us about what we're seeing just in terms of the usual at the united nations. >> usually this would be led by one of the presiding officers, the countries rotate among the 15 security council members. this month is the united states' month. so nikki haley has been in the presence of the security council. five permanent members, 15 members who rotate in periods of a year or two in a staggered basis. now the fact that is secretary tillerson is using this opportunity to lay out the stakes of the dangers of north korea, which is in violation of
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year after year of security council resolutions. there have been periods when north korea moved back from the brink as far as the u.s. was concerned. as you were discussing with hans before we went to the session there, the intelligence on north korea is so opaque. it is the hardest intelligence target probably in the world of a major power and a nuclear power at that. their missiles are mobile launched, hard to target and hard to figure out when they are about to launch. they have been moving to solid state nuclear -- rather solid state missile technology which means that they don't need to take a long time to prepare those missile launches with liquid fuel. so with the solid fuel, they can do it on a rapid basis. so your satellite technology will not pick up the preparations. and then their nuclear facilities are all buried deep deep underground and we don't know where all of them are.
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if people start talking about pre-emptive strikes, mapping out where things are in north korea would be near impossible in terms of military targeting. by the time you took some of it out, their conventional weapons, their artillery would have -- >> we've lost andrea mitchell. i want to thank andrea for that. i want to bring in my panel, politico woreporter amber phillips. let me look at the big picture here. what we're looking at, where we are in the relationship with north korea. the u.s. has known that this was the tinderbox. we heard from former president obama, that's what he said to president trump before he actually took the oath of office. this is the most dangerous threat to the united states. but is actually saying it out
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loud a negative or a positive here. >> we're getting into the area of scary mommy diplomacy. you make a big threat, i'm going to throw your toys in the garbage or you have to be prepared to carry through with it or your toddler learns qui quickly. you throw out the threat and you've got to be willing to deliver. we're not sure if we're willing to go into nuclear war with north korea. now they're trying to walk it back a little bit with the talk of negotiations. i don't know if they know themselves. and certainly the people on the other side of north korea, i think they're trying to figure out what's going on as well. >> one thing we can say definitively about this administration, it's da piploma we have not seen. >> i have seen this play out to a lesser extent in nafta which is put out a threat, bomb another country to scare north korea or your problem situation
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into backing down and then back off and muddy the waters. like are we going to sit down and talk with north korea directly? is the president going to threaten them with major conflict from afar. are war ships going there or not. it's confusing. i see this playing out in several sticky foreign policy issue. this is a strategy for them. >> we're going to take a quick break. shannon and amber, thank you for staying around. we're waiting for the big moment at the united nations. meantime, republicans remain optimistic that the house will eventually pass a bill to repeal and replace obamacare. is that optimism justified? even if the bill does paz ss in the house, what's its fate in the senate? whoever threw it has to go get it. not me! somebody will get it... ♪ (dog barking)
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so let's take a look life on capitol hill. there you can see minority leader nancy pelosi, behind her chuck schumer. they're holding a voint event, essentially meant to counter president trump's 100 days. also right nowing rex tillerson at the united nations. let's listen in. >> having for years displayed a pattern of behavior that defies
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multiple security council sotions, 3321 and 2270 and erodes global progress on nuclear proliferation, this's in reason to think that north korea will change its behavior under the current multilateral sanctions framework. for too long the international community has been reactive in addressing north korea. those days must come to an end. failing to act now on the most pressing security issue in the world may bring catastrophic consequences. we have said this before and it bears repeating. the policy of patience is over. the more we bide or time, the sooner we will run out of it. in light of the growing threat, the time has come for all of us to put new pressure on north korea to abandon its dangerous path. i urge this council to act
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before north korea does. we must work together to adopt a new approach and impose increased diplomatic increased pressures on the north korean regime. the new campaign is united states is embarking on is driven by our own national security administrations and well kochled by many who are concerned for their security. and questioned why north korea cling to nuclear capabilities for which it has no need. our goal is no regime change, nor do we desire to threaten the north korea yan people or destabilize the region. over the years we've withdrawn our own nuclear weapons if south korea and offered aid as proof of our intent to deescalate the situation and normalize relations. since 1995 the united states has provided over $1.3 billion in aid to north korea. and we look forward to resuming our contributions once the dprk
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begin to kis mantle its nuclear weapons and missile technology programs. the dpkr must dismantle its nuclear missile promise to achieve the security, the economic development and international recognition that it seeks. north korea must understand that respect will never follow recklessness. north korea must take concrete steps to reduce the threat that its illegal weapons programs pose to the united states and our allies before we can even consider talks. i propose all nations take these three actions beginning today. first we call on u.n. member states to fully implement the commitments they have made regard north korea. this includes all measures required and resolutions 2321 and 2270. those nations which have not fully enforced these resolutions
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fully discredit this body. second, we call on country to suspend or downgrade diplomatic relations with north korea. north korea exploits its diplomatic privileges to fund its illicit technology programs and con training its diplomatic activity will cut off a flow of needed resources. in light of north korea's recent actions, normal relations with the dprk are simply not acceptable. third, we must increase north korea's financial isolation. we must levy new sanctions on dpkr and individuals supporting the missile programs and tighten those already in place. the united states also would much prefer countries and people in question to own up to their lapses. and correct their behavior themselves. but we will not hesitate to
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sanction third-country entities and individuals supporting the dpkr's illegal activities. we must bring maximum kpik pressure by suffering trade relationships that fund the nuclear and missile program. i call on the international community to suspend the flow of north korean guest workers and to impose juans on north korean imports, especially coal. we must all do our share. but china accounting for 90% of north korean trade, china alone has economic leverage over pyongyang that is unique and its role there is particularly important. the u.s. and china have held very productive exchanges on this issue and we look forward to further actions that build on what china has already done. lastly as we have said before, all options for responding to future provocation must remain on the table.
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diplomatic and financial levers of power will be backed up by a willingness to counter act north korean aggression with military action if necessary. we must prefer a negotiated solution to this program. but we are committed to defending ourselves and our allies against north korean aggression. this new pressure campaign will be swiftly implemented and painful to north korean interest. i realize some nations for which a relationship with north korea has been in some ways a net positive may be disinclined to implement the measures of pressure on north korea. but the catastrophic effects of a north korean nuclear strike outweigh any economic benefits. we must be willing to face the hard truths and make hard choices right now to prevent disastrous outcomes in the future. business as usual is not an
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option. there is also a moral dimension to this problem. countries must know by now that helping the north korean regime means enabling cruelty and suffering. north korea feeds billions of dollars into a nuclear program it does not need while its own people starve. the regime's pursuit of nuclear weapons does not serve its own national security or the well-being of a people trapped in ttyranny. i ask the united nations to preserve security and protect human dignity. in one of my first steps as america's secretary of state, i looked across the dmz at the haunted land of north korea. beyond the border is a nation of sorrow, frozen in time, while the world sees the gleaming buildings of pyongyang, the bliet of starvation has swept this e land over 60 years. even though the present
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condition of that country is bleak, the united states believes in a future for north korea. these first steps toward a more hopeful future will happen most weekly if other stakeholders in the region and the global security join us. for years north korea has been dictating the terms of its dangerous course of action. it is time for us to retake control of the situation. we ask the members of the cou council and all other partner to implement a new strategy to denuclearize north korea. thank you. i resume my function now as president of the council. i now give the floor to the minister of foreign affairs of japan. >> the more we bide our time, the sooner we will run out of it. just some of the incredibly i would say tough words from secretary of state rex tillerson, talking of course about north korea, saying we must be willing to face the hard
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truth. it is time for us to take control. and asking for even harsher shaingss against a country. let me go to hans nichols at the pentagon for us. hans is not there so let me go to my panel. you are already looking at one of the most financially isolated places in the world and he's talking about tightening those even more. how much wiggle room is there at this point? >> he's giving himself very little wiggle room. the trump administration has made absolutely clear that north korea is the center piece of their foreign policy strategy and message to the world in their first 100 days. you have rex tillerson visiting the dmz, vice president mike pence visiting the dmz. they're making headlines with this. they're going to be judged, i think, in their first 100 day, maybe 1,000 days from now, on how well escalating tensions with north korea played out for
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them. were they finally able to dislodge those intrabltabctable tensions. >> the message that he got from the former president is trickling down. the poll is fascinating. one showed about a third of americans see north korea as an immediate threat but more than two-thirds say the u.s. should send in troops if north korea attacks south korea. what do nose numbers tell you? >> how quickly we forget the pains of war, just like recession and everything else, you know, how much opposition there was after the invasion of iraq, never to get involved in conflict again. >> and on capitol hill how will say see this? >> it's also really remarkable too watching rex tillerson there who a few months ago was the ceo of exxon, big corporation, a successful man with a lot of
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experience. and now leegds ading diplomacy north korea with no experience. there's certainly people on capitol hill who have experience in foreign relations, who have been dealing with issues over north korea for decades. is he listening to them? is the administration listening to them? i get the sense now that the administration is close, they attacked the state department right off the bat in the intelligence skmuncommunity, th don't have a lot of friends and there you see rex tillerson out there alone as the one who is trying to deal with really intractable problem. >> and you have a situation where the state department doesn't have a lot of people working there. >> right. there are a lot of top aides and empty desks in the state department. and we have an inexperienced in diplomacy guy leading it. that is part of the trump administration's sale, right, from the moment -- >> love washington.
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>> exactly. like you said. capitol hill is not likely to sign off on a declaration of war saying go ahead and put troops in. how much can you blow up washington beyond tough talk. >> you look at the polls, hear the tough talk and americans say yeah we send in troops if they attack south korea. what a croonflict on the korean peninsula would look like. >> it makes the middle east look like switzerland. not to downplay at all the complexities and difficulties in syria. we have nuclear wars, china, the dominant global power other than the u.s. that's what's at stake here, nuclear weapons and a trade war with china and the u.s. and china has to decide is the u.s. their friend after all of the tough talk and rhetoric of the campaign. are they going to work with the u.s. to deal with north korea? how much can they trust us.
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>> let's talk a little bit about maximum economic pressure, imposing potentially penalties on third-party countries who may be in support of north korea. what is the preparation, the strategy, the conversation at the pentagon as we look at the possibility of some sort of military action there? >> well, from the pentagon it's a whole government approach. that's why you see very close contact between secretary tillerson and secretary mattis as well as treasury. when you think of ratcheting up any pressure outside of military posture, you hear a lot about pressuring chinese banks, chinese banks that allow the north korean government to stay afloat. but that's going to cause some potential friction with china. and just one quick note here on where the vinson is, i was walking about the capitol. the new term of art they're using here, they're not saying it's in the philippine sea or
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the sea of japan. they're saying it's in the western pacific and has operational capability to hit north korea should that need to take place. ly say i want to tamp that down. most of the officials here are saying the focus is 0 diplomacy. we, we have military options wu diplomacy and working throughout the entire government is their preferred. >> thank you for that. up next, my conversation with voters from the key battleground state of north carolina. with president trump's first 100 days in office winding down, what are they hoping the new president can accomplish by the end of his first year in the white house.
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back now with a live look at the u.n. the security council figuring out the next steps on how to handle the global threat from north korea. secretary of state rex tillerson chairing the meeting. pushing for more economic sanctions against pyongyang. let's play a little bit of what he said just moments ago. >> i realize some nations for which a relationship with north korea has been in some ways a net positive may be disinclined the implement the measures of
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pressure on north korea. but the catastrophic effects of a north korea nuclear strike outw outway any economic benefits. >> we want to talk about new reaction to president trump's first 100 days from voters on both sides of the aisle. i talked to voters in burlington, north carolina, the key battleground state that trump won and wanted know what they want to see from the president moving forward. what would you like to see the president do by the end of the year. >> i would like to see him grow up, put his big pants on, i would like to see him respect other leaders of other countries. i would like to see him respect the american people. >> an election is just like a ball game. two people, two teams, somebody has got to win, somebody is going to lose. and i think the sooner people comes to terms with the fact of who won, regardless of whether they like it or not and get
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together and stop the division, we're going to be a whole lot tter as a country. >> greg, that's first time i saw you nod. >> the election is on e over. the politicizing is over. you have a jb to do now. >> by the end of the year what would you like to see donald trump accomplish. >> i would love the see the tax bill get passed. i think it's going to be a great thing. and i also would love to see the health care reform. probably pie in the sky. >> i would like to see the house and the congress come together so he can be effective and so he can have a chance to show what he can do. >> actually was in church a few weeks ago and the pastor actually preached on romans 13, all about respect and honoring your government officials. and my big takeaway from that sermon was we all need to listen to each other with the mind-set that you may be right and i may be wrong.
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and i think so often we don't listen that way. >> we listen just to reply. >> you are correct. >> and i think that will help bridge this. >> i'm not concerned in political divide. i'm not speaking as a democrat. i'm not speaking as a person who voted for x, y and z. i'm speaking as a human being. >> me too. >> i care about human beings. i don't care what you look like, i don't care where you're from, i don't care how much money you make. if you're a human being, i erica about you. let's look after one another like we say we should. >> let's get to work. >> let's get to work. i'm going to go get to work. thank you all. >> thank you. >> incredibly thoughtful group of people. join me now, andy card, former white house chief of staff for george w. bush and presidential his stohistoriahistorian.
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people who remember that well will often say to me, this is the most polarized, the most vit real we've seen. are our memories short? >> the internet communications, the tweeting that takes place doesn't go through a traditional filter. there is probably no more vitriol than there has been in the past but it's taken a different form. >> and spreads faster? >> spreads faster. people are making decisions on emotions rather than thoughts and judgments because we're so quick in responding to a tweet or we reach around you, no offen offense, the president reaches around you and goes directly to 30 million people and they respond. and 30 million people respond on the other side. so the nature of communications can such that emotion plays more of a role than judgment and that's dangerous. >> the emotion of it all.
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michael, as aye been talking to people all around the country doing the panels, they do agree on a couple of things. one, they've all had an experience where this has damaged a family relationship, a friendly relationship where they've gone somewhere or in their own homes they've banned it or it's so emotionally taxing that they've had to walk away for a while, no twitter, no tell v television. >> we've all had experiences like that. one piece of history, andy card was the great chief of staff to george w. bush at the very beginning. >> i don't know how he did it for so long. >> he hung in there much longer than most chiefs of staff too. the beginning of the term george w. bush essentially said i know i didn't win the popular vote. i became president because of the supreme court ruling and therefore it's even more incumbent than usual on me to be president of all of the people.
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he tried to do that. and the one thing we haven't talked about yet is presidential leadership. donald trump for reasons of his own from the beginning gave a divisive inaugural address, played from his base from the start of this 100 days. and the result of this has been that his poll ratings are about 40%, a little higher. less than he got on election day. and i think if he's made one decision that has not been great for him, it was that. because he's tried to go to congress and get members of congress to vote for bills that may cause them problems in their states and districts and they will say essentially you've got 40%, i am not afraid of you. if he had made more of an effort to bring the country together, it would have not only be the right thing to do but also i think he would have been politically a lot stronger. >> is it too late to do that? >> it's not too late. but he's battling an uphill battle because he did decide not to reach across the aisle or even reach to people within the
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republican party that are in challenged districts. so he's got a lot of work to do. that's the role of governing. he did not make the transition from being the ceo of a privately held company to the president of the united states where you have to govern and invite others to be part of the solution. governing is inviting all fous to be part of the solution and he's starting to do that. it's later than it should have been but i want it to work. he is our president and we want it to work. >> everyone feels that way. >> a lot of people are struck by what he said to -- i think this is the reuters interview last night. let me listen and i'll get both of your reactions on the other side. >> i love my previous life. i had so many things going. i actually -- this is more work than in my previous life. i thought it would with easier. i like to work so that's not a problem. but this is actually more work. >> michael, not a historian but
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venture to say that most presidents cannot understand the complexity, the breadth of the job unletil you find yourself i it. having said that, he has said he was surprised by the amount of work, the complexity of so many things from health care and north korea. what do you make what we've heard from the president? >> probably not surprising. the president is the first one not having political experience as an office holder or military experience. john kennedy said for instance the problems were more difficult than i imagined them to be. lyndon johnson said it's sort of like what his father said to him. his father said son you'll never understand what it's like to be a father until you are one. and johnson said that's the same thing with the president. so that's a little bit but not so much of a surprise. >> you know one of the voters said he needs to put his big pants on. and again one of the things that was a unanimity of opinion among
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republicans and democrats on that panel and as i've traveled around the country is stop with if twitter already. many find some of the things he says embarrassing. is that one quick fix? >> it is. advice that i have regularly given to presidents and can d e candidates for the presidency, including president trump, taste the words before you spit them out. the words make a difference especially coming from the mouth of a president. >> why do you think president trump isn't listening. >> he measures success in a different way than a lot of other presidents do. he measures it by how many ratings you get on a television show. more people watched this interview than ever before. >> there were more people in the crowd than ever before. >> he tends to map his success the way that msnbc would map their success. how are the rating points going.
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that's not the way we'll measure the success of the president. are the policies well thought out. have you considered all of the unintended consequences of the policies so none of them are unintended? are you exercising judgment? are you bringing wisdom? are you tasting your words before you spit them out so you're not making us force you into an emotional decision. we want an informed decision. that's the transition of being president. i think he's working his way there. the infrastructure at the white house is starting to find its sea legs and that will help him have more discipline around his words or tweets or hopefully his proclamation. i don't want him to be impuls e impulsive. >> i feel very fortunate to have andy card and michael here. no joke. thank you so much. great conversation and appreciate it. >> right back at you. the house once again is delaying the vote on a health care bill, lack of votes.
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right now. what you're looking at is the vote on the house side. can they keep the government up anruns for another week. they're voting right now on the continuing resolution to do jus from nancy pelosi and chuck schumer with the minority view about trump's first 100 days. joining me to talk about that, she was there, nbc news capitol hill correspondent kasie hunt. what'd they have to say, kasie? >> chris, this press conference was more about focusing on president trump's 100 days. we heard from the minority leader, chuck schumer, who basically said he doesn't think that the president has learned very much about how things work here in washington over the course of his first 100 days in office. pointing to what schumer characterized as legislative failures. the health care bill, for one. of course, as you point out, the house is voting on the continuing recontinu continuing resolution. it punts things down the line another week. we're going to be back here
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doing this all again next week it looks like because they are still kind of in the final stages of making an agreement on how to fund the government over the course of the next months, basically until the end of the fiscal year. there's still work to do there. the senate still has to come around and agree they are going to move this one cr forward. at this point, no shut down anticipated. >> thank you for that update. joining me now, congressman tom reed, republican from new york. let me start with where we were. if you are a constituent sitting at home and, once again, there's a band aid that goes on for the next week, what do you make of the job you guys are doing up there on the hill? >> i share the frustration. we've got to get the lights on here and keep the government funded. we're going to do that today then move to the longer conversation to fund it through the rest of the year. >> health care then. you told bloomberg you were undecided on the revised republican proposal. you were a yes the first time
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around. where do you stand now. >> as we looked at the legislative text, i'm a lean yes. the fundamental reform about pre-existing conditions are protected in the amendment. we have to take care of america's health care because it's not working for the american people. >> what will it take youoe from a lean yes a firm yes or thother way? >> depends on what happens the next few days. if there is additional legislative change. now, i'm comfortable where we are and we're getting closer to the senate. >> we've been doing, of course, at nbc a whip count. 17 republicans are opposed. 17 are undecided. as i'm sure you know, leadership can only afford to lose 22 votes. do you have a sense of where this is going, or is it truly up in the air? >> i think it is going in the right direction. i think members are working their differences out and that's ledgelati ledgelating. hopefully we get to the finish line next week and can move this to the senate and continue working for the american people on other issues.
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>> i know you've been meeting with people from the administration. they've been doing what they need to do to try to get this moving in the right direction. do you have a sense of their frustration, or if nothing else, that they are unhappy this didn't get done in the first 100 days? >> well, there's obviously frustration across the entire city. the bottom line is we want to get this right for the american people. we have multiple steps here when it comes to america's health care and the solutions we have to do. there's no deadline per se, but moving forward is something we want to do. i'm one of the governing members who wants to govern for the sake of solving problems for the american people. >> i want to ask you economic things here. big headlines this week about the president's tax proposal. here's what senator schumer said about that a few moments ago. >> i read in the newspaper, he saw an op-ed in the -- he saw an op-ed and immediately blurted out, we're going to have a plan by wednesday, much to the surprise of his staff. you can't do it that way. >> you're on the ways and means
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committee. does chuck schumer have a point there? >> they've been working on this. i know being on the committee, working with the white house, their team has engaged in the process. this is a positive step toward getting health care to the finish line with the white house engaging theay it did this week. >> new york, a high tax state, do you have concerns about the way this is laid out right now. >> of course. with the issue of deductibility of our property taxes is something i've been concerned about and will continue to be concerned about. we have to reform the tax code for the american people. it is broken for everyone. i was glad to see the white house engage on the corporate side, the business side and the individual side. it'll be a benefit for all american people. >> if you had to vote on it the way it is presented, would you vote yes? if not, what needs to be changed? >> the devil is in the detail in the tax code. having a one-page proposal is good in the sense of furthering the debate. we have to look at the legislative text. this is why it is a long term
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process. >> you're also somebody who represents a lot of farmers and rural voters. i have to ask you about nafta before you go. you've been in favor of renegotiating it. are you relieved that the president backed down from his stated attempt all across america over the course of the campaign to withdraw from the agreement? >> yeah, i was pleased to see the white house -- they put the marker down. obviously, they're business people, trying to get the best deal they can. what we need to do is reform nafta. we need to bring it up to the modern age. when it comes to ultra filtered milk, for example, in new york, we need to make sure they're taken care of. >> congressman reed, thank you so much on what is a busy day on the hill. i appreciate your time. >> thanks for having me. i'd like to thank amber and shannon for joining us. coming up tonight on mtp daily, sir richard branson will join chuck todd to discuss a funding for the anti-brexit campaign. more tonight at 5:00 eastern here on msnbc.
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you know the saying, tgif? a lot of people here in washington are saying that. an incredibly busy day to close out the week. thank you for joining us for this hour. i'm chris jansing. ali velshi is going to pick up all the ongoing breaking news. >> it's not finished yet. i'll say tgif later today. see you later on today, chris. president trump raises rhetoric on north korea to a new
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level. >> there's a chance that we could end upaving a major, major conflict with north korea. absolutely. >> this hour, we're seeing new diplomat you can moves against the regime. secretary of state rex tillerson is chairing a special meeting at the u.n. security council, pressing for new sanctions. also breaking news on capitol hill. a house vote is happening right now to decide if congress will avert a government shutdown. it is a week-long funding solution. even if they pass it, what comes next? we'll have a live, exclusive interview with new york senate democratic leader chuck schumer in moments from now. good evening, everyone. i'm ali velshi in washington. we begin with the trump administration taking the stage at the united nations, warning the global community about a potential catastrophe if action is not taken now on the north korea crisis. right now, secretary of state rex tillerson is chairing a special meeting in front of the u.n. security council in new york city where he's calling on the nations to

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