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is it dead again? >> we have a good web count. i think we feel very good about where we are, where it's headed. >> white house says they feel good, but the word on the hill is things are looking grim for that revised republican plan. a live report from there. that's coming up. rounding out our agenda, don't kill me for saying it, but 2020 has already begun. >> when i got asked by ray to come up here, there wasn't a doubt in my mind even though i know it caused a lot of speculation, guys, i'm not running. okay? >> joe biden trying to downplay his interest but look where he is in new hampshire. he's not the only democrat starting to make moves toward 2020. we will talk about that and much more ahead this hour. but we begin with the president raising quite a few eyebrows today. comments in a new interview, trump says he would be honored,
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hid word there, honored, to sit down with north korea's leader kim jong-un. now, high-level diplomatic relations with that country have been on ice for decades. the white house spokesman sean spicer telling reporters a lot of things would need to happen for that became a reality, but there was also this, the president's openness to meeting with the president of the philippines, although this country's leader has met with president obama as recently as last year. that was overseas. that was a brief meeting. this would be an invitation to the white house. that would be considered by many a step too far, given the human rights situation in the philippines right now. reporters today asking whether there's a link between these two diplomatic outreaches. >> does the president have a thing with these totalitarian leaders? does he admire something about the way these guys conduct themselves? >> the president clearly, as i've said, understands the threat that north korea poses.
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i think someone with the potential nuclear capability to strike another country, potentially our country at some point in the future, is something the president takes very seriously. >> nbc's chris jansing is at the white house. chris, you got two fronts here, you got duterte in the philippines, the idea of brings him to the white house, question of honoring somebody with a record like his with that kind of recognition but also the use of the word, honor, "i would be honored to meet with kim jong-un." is there a strategic calculation behind either one of these moves from the white house's standpoint? >> reporter: well, they say there is, they say that this is about making sure that the korean peninsula stays stable, that only under certain circumstances, for example, would kim jong-un be invited here and it would be toward that end, but obviously, when you say you would be honored for someone who is a brutal dictator, someone who no american president has ever met with a leader of that country, obviously, it's going to raise a lot of concerns.
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now, sean spicer was pressed on that a lot, and in a way, the president gave himself kind of an out because he said, and i'm going to quote him here, "most political people would never say that," what he said about kim jong-un, but i'm telling you under the right circumstances, i would meet with him." then sean spicer said there would have to be a lot of things that would happen under those right circumstances. a lot of changes. so it's not something that he said is in the planning or he expects to happen soon, but they're not ruling him out -- ruling it out as a matter of diplomacy. when you go back to the leader of the philippines, you have another situation where you have someone who has been accused of vast human rights abuses, the head of human rights watch, in fact, said that if, indeed, he would come to the oval office for a meeting, it would make the president morally complicit in future killings, but as you know, steve, duterte almost immediately sort of fired back
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and said, well, i'm very busy, i'm not sure that i could put it on the schedule. again, this was something that sean spicer, and we heard reince bree b priebus say this as well, this is a situation where they wanted to bring these leaders together to try to provide a united front that could bring some more stability to the korean peninsula, but the reporting is that people at the state department and some of this own senior officials were surprised what he had to say on that phone call and, in fact, one of the things sean spicer was asked was about the phone call and said obviously the president is briefed about these leaders, he knows what the situation is, so from the white house, they're trying to present this as a way to bring some sort of elusive stability to the korean peninsula, steve. >> all right. chris jansing over there at the white house. chris, thanks for that. over on capitol hill, meanwhile, donald trump's health care bill, that revised repeal and replace effort, that looks to be on the brink of another
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failure. a new amendment trying to appease the hardline conservatives of the house freedom caucus has alienated the more moderate wing of the republican party in the house. our current nbc news count puts the number of no votes at this hour at 20. now, remember, the key number here, 22. republicans can go up to 22 defections from their own party, still have the votes to pass this. anything over that, though, this bill cannot pass on the house floor. they are perilously close to that number at this hour. nbc's kasie hunt is on capitol hill. kasie hunt, i am having flashbacks to the end of march. we watched that no count rise and rise and rise, go over that magic number and then republicans said, you know what, we're pulling the bill, not going to have a vote. is that the trajectory this one is on right now? >> reporter: steve, i would say that this particular vote count, it's much narrower. it's definitely more stable, but it is right on the edge. we're at the point where this
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really could go either way for republic republicans. i would say leadership is more optimistic than they've ever been to get to the 20 216 votes. mike pence is coming up to capitol hill, going to be having meetings up here though his office is being very coy about exactly who it is he's going to be meeting with. this is balanced on the edge and frankly republican leaders want to be able to let some of these moderates go. it's a tough vote for many of them and they'd prefer to be able to say it's all right, you can vote against this, no problem, we'll be able to get it passed, anyway. just not clear that they're going to be able to do that and the president, as well, has been talking to news outlets and creating a little bit of turmoil and confusion about what is the next step for the administration. here's what the president had to say on fox news just a little bit earlier. >> we have one plan that's been going through. it's been getting better and
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better and better. and somebody was saying, oh, the people who voted for trump aren't getting good -- they're going to get the greatest. these are the greatest people. we're either going to have a great plan or i'm not signing it and i said from day one, the best thing i can do is let obamacare die and then come in with a plan. >> reporter: and there's a "bloomberg" report out this afternoon as well where the president is quoted as saying that the pre-existing condition coverage is going to be just as good under this republican plan as it was under the aca, obamacare, as the president said in this interview. again, according to what the president said as quoted by "bloomberg." i just caught up with jim jordan, a key member of the freedom caucus here on capitol hill. he said that he had not yet seen those comments by the president. wouldn't comment on whether or not he would change his yes vote if, in fact, they change the text of the bill, not clear if the president is confused. he had said, oh, this, there may be additional changes. it's possible he was referring to the senate which we know is likely to change the text of any
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bill that does manage to get passed through the house. so to a certain extent, we're right there where we felt like we were all last week, where we're still not sure that these votes are in place, and what the president has to say about it still has the potential to kind of rock the process a little bit. steve? >> always a wildcard there, kasie hunt on capitol hill. kasie, thank you for that. joining me to talk about all of this, shane, a chief white house correspondent for politico. republican strategist matt mcoviak. and ashley parker for the "washington post." thanks for joining us. let's start on health care and the push for republicans to try on the second effort here to get it through and shane, let me ask y you, what are you hearing down there in terms of -- we heard from kasie hunt right at the number here, what would it take for republicans politically, what would it take to get this through? >> what trump wants is a vote as soon as possible and there's been a little bit of an artificial push to do it by wednesday because he's scheduled
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to leave town after that. this has been a big push. the general rule on capitol hill is the moment you have the votes you call the vote. the fact they haven't called the vote, they're short. vice president mike pence is headed up to the hill but mostly trump has been personally disengaged from the process, he hasn't been lobbying lawmakers on the specifics because it didn't work the first time so he's trying to let congress and mike pence do it for him at the moment. >> he did weigh in a little bit on saturday night, he held that rally in harrisburg while the white house correspondents' dinner was going on and he did make a pretty pointed call for support from pennsylvania members of congress. take a listen. >> we're going to save americans' health care and repeal and replace that disaster known as obamacare. i'll be so angry at congressman kelly and congressman moreno and
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all of our congressmen in this room if we don't get that damn thing passed quickly. >> you're a republican, i'm curious, take us inside the republican party, take us, if you can, inside the strategy of a republican member of congress. how do they weigh that kind of a comment, that kind of a sort of, i don't know if threat is the right word, but that kind of comment from the president when on the one hand his overall approval rating number not that high. on the other hand, among republicans the support is still there. does that weigh on them? >> yeah, i think it does, and of course, it depends a lot on your district. what is trump's standing in your district, how is it for the midterms? these are the factors that play into this. he mentioned congressman moreno by name, likely to be the new drug czar. of course they don't want to move him forward until they have this look done. look, i generally don't think calling out a member of congress
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of your own party by name is a good strategy, but i hope that they have looked at it and believe that trump's standing is strong enough that putting that pressure on those members who may be wavering is necessary. they haven't found the balance, how do they satisfy the house freedom caucus and satisfy the moderates to get 216 votes? i think they're close. the vote could even come tonight although i think it will come in the next couple days. i think it's more likely than not they will pass it this week. they need to get a legislative vehicle out of the house to get it to the senate to get the process going. >> ashley parker, that's the other question, even if this comes out of the house, even if they were to squeak this through, you look over at the u.s. senate right now, you think it's tough sledding in the house, the senate's just ten teem times that difficulty. >> yeah, that's exactly right. they may be able to get this through the house because they brought on the more conservative members and some of the more moderates typically in the house tend to be more team players so
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they'll take a tough vote to help leadership. you're absolutely right, once it goes to the senate you have the members who have the considerations of not just a narrow district with a clear point of view but an entire state, many of the states, you know, which accepted funds for the expanded medicaid and i think even if they do get this out of the house, i think it seems far less likely it will pass the senate, but at this point i think some of this is the white house wants to show some legislative achievement. the house wants to show they ran on this, voted repeatedly under president obama to repeal this, they can do something and i think they might be happy for a outcome where it shifts the blame to the upper chamber. >> if you can call this a legislative victory as well, it looks like a deal has been struck, there will be no government shutdown, there will be a long-term spending plan put in place. now, the headline here from the white house's standpoint, they had been threatening to hold this up over the issue of funding for a border wall. there will be -- in this deal, there will be apparently no funding for a border wall. the white house trying to put a good spin on it. here's sarah huckabee sanders.
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>> some of the president's top priorities are front and center in this bill including an increase in military spending, so that we can rebuild our military the way it should be. we've got heavy emphasis on border security, $1.5 billion to focus and put toward border security. two big priorities for the administration, two big wins in this budget. >> well, shane goldmacher, look, democrats are crowing over this, saying, look, the bottom line here is no money for this border wall. the signature thing trump ran on, thing he was says had to be in here, not going to be in here. they're saying basically they got the better end of this deal. the white house is going to say what it's going to say. i wonder big picture going forward, are there any lessons from this deal, from the willingness to compromise the white house has shown in the end here, are there any lessons coming out of this government shutdown deal that could be applied for the broader legislative agenda of the white house? >> yeah, i think trump wasn't personally involved in this. he said a couple lines, he wanted border wall funding, he
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didn't get it. discussions about issuing things related to funding for planned parenthood. he also didn't get that. at the end of the day, congress gave $1.5 billion for border security, not a wall, but security. so that's something -- enough that sarah sanders can go on television and say this is what we've accomplished but it's not giving them what dthey really wanted. going forward, this is the dynamic certainly democrats on rare bipartisan bills are going to push for which is government spending bills. you need democratic votes. they want to basically prevent trump from getting wins o those. they did here on the fundamental issue of the wall which is so central to his candidacy. >> matt, in terms of that republican base we saw, a lot of attention last week in the run-up to 100 days, voters with tru trump, enough to get him over the top in november, were still with him. that standpoint, in terms of keeping that coalition together if you're donald trump, how important is it to get a real win, something that's not just getting obamacare repealed and replaced through the house but also getting it through the senate, getting it to the president's desk. you don't have the money for the
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wall right now, you have some sort of very murky prospects for repeal and replace. at what point do they need to put a win here versus risking loses soing some of that base? >> it's a great question and i don't think there's a precise answer. my sense is for this calendar year, they need to get a legislative result on both health care and on tax reform. and they know they have to start with health care to get the additional $1 trillion that they can then apply to tax reform to let them do a bigger, bolder tax cut. so, look, i think the base is still with them. i think the polling shows that. what hasn't happened, he hasn't been able to expand beyond the base. the later we get in the calendar, steve, the more concern a lot of republicans up on capitol hill are going to have because they'll been facing potentially primaries but certainly general elections in the midterms in 2018. this budget is not going to -- this budget deal is ultimately not going to determine whether his first two years or first term is successful or not. he didn't have a lot of leverage, came in in the middle of the budget psycycle.
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they're focused on health care and tax reform. nose are the big-ticket items they're investing political capital on and need results on. >> technically donald trump already has a re-election campaign committee in place, allows him, allows that committee to be running television ads like this. we don't have it. i was goi it was going to be a magical segue right there, i can tell you the trump re-election committee has put up an ad, you might have seen it on television the last -- we have it now. look at this. take a look. >> donald trump sworn in as president 100 days ago. america has rarely seen such success. america is winning. and president trump is making america great again. >> i'm so glad we got that. i was going to try to describe it. i couldn't possibly have done it justice. ashley parker, it's unusual, this early on in an administration, a lot of people say it's like the election last november never ended. and here we are, we're looking at re-election ads essentially in april of the first year.
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>> it certainly feels that way. i was kind of surprised to see the ad. you know, start so early. i will say, it did a very good job of kind of packaging president trump's somewhat modest achievements so far but i think the president more than anyone sort of understands and believes that, you know, perception is reality and image is reality and that's the sort of thing even if it's not actually geared toward helping him get re-elected in 2020, it is sort of gearing to energizing the base and frankly i think kind of encouraging the president who's had a little bit of a rough go of it. so i think that was an ad made as much for the occupant of the white house and of the folks in the west wing as it was, you know, for an actual re-elect. >> all right. ashley parker, matt mackowiak, shane goldmacher, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. we're going to take a quick break. on the other side, learning more about president trump and possible future meetings with leaders like north korea's kim
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jong-un. we're going to talk about whether there's a strategy, coherent strategy behind these potential invitation or reflect a certain personal preference on the president's part for a certain type of leader? plus in cities across the united states today, thousands of marchers hitting the streets for may day protests. the annual international workers day demonstrations drawing larger crowds this year. many protesting president trump. only invisalign® clear aligners are made with smarttrack® material to precisely move your teeth to your best smile. see how invisalign® treatment can shape your smile up to 50% faster today at invisalign.com
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at a very young age, he was able to assume power. a lot of people i'm sure tried to take that power away. whether it was his uncle or anybody else.
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and he was able to do it. so, obviously, he's a pretty smart cookie. >> conciliatory words from the president over the weekend about north korea's king jong-un. today trump telling "bloomberg news" he'd be honored to meet with the leader of north korea if the circumstances were right. this was days after trump invited the philippines' authoritarian president for a white house visit, rodrigo duterte infamous for calling on filipino residents to kill drug crusaders. i want to bring in foreign affairs reporter at "politico" to look closer at these two possible, i guess you could say, meetings. thanks for taking a minute here. let me start on the issue of kim jong-un. you have trump saying under certain conditions he would be honored to have that meeting. the use of the word, "honored," i think caught a lot of people's attention today.
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is is there a reason he's -- for that specific word choice? is there a specific tone sort of strategically he's trying to get across here? >> well, the think the president wants to be one of those leaders who schhatters taboos, doze this differently. i don't know if he intentionally meant something special by the word, "honored" bus this idea he's willing to meet with kim face-to-face would be an extraordinary step. at the same time, people who don't agree with the north korean regime say, look, it will legitimatize his rule and his oppression in north korea. >> you have sean spicer saying he doesn't foresee it necessarily happening under the current conditions, but that it could under the right conditions. what would the right conditions, what might the right conditions look like for that kind of a meeting? >> this is the thing, i mean, this country, this administration, has said that they want a denuclearized korean peninsula. so you would presume that that could mean that once north korea gives up its nuclear weapons, which it's not planning on doing
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any time soon, that perhaps that would set the stage for a meeting at some point in the future. i don't think this is something that's going to happen any time soon. >> let's talk about the situation now with the philippines, rodrigo duterte, leader over there obviously very controversial. you have reince priebus yesterday saying that strategically, one of the purposes of potentially inviting, having him come to the white house for a meeting, would be the situation would be to link it to the situation with north korea. here's what priebus had to say. >> i'm not so sure it's a matter of mon honoring this president the facts you've laid out there, it's the matter for a potential of nuclear and massive disruption in asia and the potential at least according to north korea of developing an icbm that could, at some point down the line, if we do nothing, potentially reach the united states. this is a different level of problem that we need cooperation among our partners in southeast
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asia. >> so the idea of a linkage between the relationship between the united states and the philippine, the relationship between trump and duterte in the philippines, having a bearing on the situation with north korea. is there a link there? >> in the grand scheme of things it doesn't hurt to have the philippines on your side when it comes to north korea. they are a key country in that part of the world. overall the philippines don't have a lot of influence or lot of power to rein in north korea on their own so it's quite credible the link. when i talked to people today they said the more important thing is china's role in the south china sea and the fill pee philippines trying to stop china from gaining influence there. my understanding is trump is much more concerned about that part of things. the control of the south china sea, than he necessarily is about what's going on with north korea. that being said, north korea is the sexier subject. that's probably one reason the administration is trying to bring that into the conversation. >> so you're getting here in the united states you're getting all sorts of blow-back to the idea of trump meeting with and
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inviting duterte over to the white house. here's the twist maybe people didn't necessarily expect, though, duterte's response so far has not exactly been warm and enthusiastic. he says me might be too busy to even come. can you -- is there a reason that you can think of, i mean, usually we're used to foreign leaders, especially in a situation like his, being honored by the legitimacy that a visit to the white house sort of bestows on them. here he is sort of saying, eh, i'm not sure i'm going to do it. >> he's playing hard to get, that's true. ever since duterte took power last summer, he's been playing a double game, really cozying up to china without ever totally cutting off ties with the united states so this is part of that. he's trying to basically signal to both beijing and the u.s. that he's on everyone's side and so that's probably why he's not jumping at the chance to come to the white house immediately. >> all right. nahal toosi with "politico." thanks for taking a few minutes. >> thanks for having me. all right. up next, we're live on the ground in los angeles.
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all right. time now for a check of the headlines at the half hour. the house could vote as soon as tomorrow on a $1 trillion bill that would fund the federal government through the end of september and avoid a government shutdown. now, this is compromise legislation. it does not include money for president trump's proposed border wall. also rejects proposed cuts to domestic programs that the president had been calling for. but trump would be getting money to strengthen the military. again, that vote could be coming tomorrow. house republicans also preparing to hold a vote later this week on that reworked bill to repeal and replace obamacare. the chair of the conservative house freedom caucus telling
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msnbc today that he thinks there are enough votes to pass the legislation. however, a number of moderate republicans still say they have concerns about the bill or are already against it. looks like it would be a very close vote. president trump telling "bloomberg news" meanwhile, he is not willing to meet with north -- that he -- excuse me, he would be, big distinction there, would be willing to meet with north korean leader kim jong-un if the circumstances are right. this comes as the cia's director mike pompeo makes an unannounced visit to south korea and the house prepares to vote on a bill to tighten sanctions on north korea. parts of the midwest and south bracing for more flooding and possible tornadoes today for storms blamed already for the deaths of 15 people. the system which brought heavy rain, high winds and damaging hail to those regions is now heading toward the east coast. a manhunt is under way in dallas for the gunman who shot and critically wounded a paramedic who was responding to
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a call. nbc's dallas affiliate reporting that a bystander was also shot during the incident. it took place near a fire training academy. and from the world of sports, nba legend larry byrd, larry legend announcing today he is stepping down as the president of basketball operations for the indiana pacers franchise. the hall of famer says it's time for him to do something else. he says he's probably going to do some scouting and some advising work for the pacers. of course, before he was with the pacers, as a boston fan, i have to say he was and will always be a boston celtic. at least to us. back to politics now. people from all across the country gathering on may day. a day that traditionally promotes workers' rights, but some this year aren't fired up just about labor issues, instead, they are focusing on president trump and his policies. our own steve patterson is in los angeles. he's at one of those rallies. so, steve, it's may day, goes back a long ways.
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got some controversial roots, i guess you could say, but this is all about president trump today, huh? >> reporter: it all goes back to the labor unions of lore and those peoples are still here, believe me, labor unions, the labor organizations are alongside in this crowd, but you have also -- you have immigration advocates, you have lgbt community, you have the traditional black civil rights leaders, all out in force really galva rinized by donald trump's presidency. usually these groups always come out for may day protests, may day march, a way to take off work and show solidarity behind those labor unions, but this year, we have a new president and that's why people are joining forces, really with a very sizable crowd. the prediction is now about 100,000 people, 100,000 to 200,000 people expected to rally at some point today. we've been joining them with a march. we've been marching alongside them all day. apologies if it's loud, but i want to introduce you to
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daniella, we've just been talking and walking with, and i just wanted to know from your perspective, why are you here marching today? what's the purpose? >> i'm here marching with workers on international workers day because it's important we take a stand against all the injustices that we're seeing especially since the new administration took office. we can't let employers or anybody feel emboldened to attack workers and suppress their rights. so i'm here to stand up against that. are. >> reporter: thank you so much, daniella. that's a good summation of the message from basically everybody we're speaking to. that singular message in solidarity, a message sent to washington, d.c. there's also a sizable pro-trump crowd we will hit at some point along this route. we'll be live to bring you the latest. back to you. >> steve patterson in los angeles, thanks for that. we're going to take a quick break here. still ahead, please, please don't kill me for bringing this up but the 2020 campaign may
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have already begun. especially if you're a democrat. vice president joe biden tried to say over the weekend that he's not going to get in the race, some other key names are emerging and a lot of people think the former vice president may still be angling for 2020. he was in new hampshire after all. up next, we're going to take a look at who is already making moves for next presidential election. stay tuned.
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than not that you have at least some speck of on interest in the next presidential campaign, which by the way, it is not until tuesday november 3rd, 2020, that we'll actually have the next presidential election, but biden is far from the only democrat here in the early days of the trump administration who already has democrats, already has people in the political world talking about the next presidential election. what's going on here? there is a vacuum in the democr vacuum in the democratic party, don't control the house, don't control the senate, don't have the white house. the family who were the big dynas dynasty, the clintons, are pretty much off the stage. barack obama hasn't been heard from. there's a vacuum here. who's going to step forward, who's going to lead this party? what direction is it going to go? we haven't seen something this wide open on the democratic side for a while. who's posturing, who's positioning? who are people talking about? seem to be -- tough to put this together right now but there seem to be three big names koot oind of hover over the others right now.
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biden is one of them. look, he'd be 78 years old in 2020. a lot of people, though, say, 2016, maybe if he'd been the candidate, he beats donald trump, maybe he gets those extra votes hillary clinton couldn't in the rust belt. so his name is out there. bernie sanders, how could his name not be out there? he came a lot closer, a lot parter thpar farther than people expected in the primary. a big constituency on the democratic side. elizabeth warren, obviously the last couple years she's become a nationally significant figure in the democratic party. interesting, though, all three of these in 2020 would be over the age of 70. if there's a need there, a desire there among democrats for a new generation, maybe you look elsewhere. who are some of the other names out there? these are sort of the most obvious i guess you could say potential candidates. cory booker, senator from new jersey. amy klobuchar from minnesota, may be making signals she's interested. kirsten gillibrand from new york. also from new york the governor there, andrew cuomo, a famous democratic name, his father almost of his best friends,
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governor of virginia, he's going to be out because of term limits at the end of the year. "the new york times" did reporting on this, they dug up other names nobody thought would be connected to the 2020 race. mitch landrieu, mayor of new orleans. "the new york times" says he might be interested. seth molten, second-term congressman from massachusetts, iraq war vet, she's gottgotten visibility as a trump critic. martin o'malley ran in 2016. didn't get much support. he may be interested in 2020. what does this point to, though, in a vacuum like one i was describing when people think it is wide open? you see this. you see names all over the place say, hey, maybe i'll check this out. why not me? maybe there's an opening. take a look at this historically. what could we be looking at in 2020? this is the size of the democratic presidential field. by the time the first contest came around. you can see, single digits. you got to a high there of eight in 2004. 1298 1984.
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this jumps out, 1976. 13 candidates. that's the year jimmy carter came out of nowhere, peanut farmer from plains, georgia. happened in '76? that was basically two years after watergate, after the nixon presidency imploded. a very volatile time in american politics. wide open democratic race. and a nobody at the time from plains, georgia, emerges, wins the democratic nomination, wins the presidency. lot of people say 2020 is the next time you will have a field on the democratic side as large as the one you had in 1976. of course, what did jimmy carter do in 1976? started real early. announced his candidacy in 1974. joining us to take a closer look at why democrats lost, matt, democratic strategist, senior vice president of the global strategy group. interesting numbers to talk about. stephan stephanie, president of emily's list. stephanie, i'll start with you. you're active in this stuff
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every day. the conversations taking place in the democratic party right now, i know so much of it is focused on donald trump, the trump agenda, those sorts of things but it does seem like there are conversations going on right now about that other question who is going to lead this party going forward? >> well, i think the question's the wrong question. what's going on right now which i think is just extraordinary is we have the strength of our party is the many voices that are coming together, not just in the deep bench of potential presidential candidates with a lot of women leading the way and couldn't be more pleased to see names like elizabeth warren, kirsten gillibrajilgillibrand, . have to throw in kamala harris, too. folks who should be thinking about their next step. what's so powerful, women are leading the resistance right now. we're seeing at emily's list over 12,000 women contacting us
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since election day, talking about wanting to run for office. we've never seen those kind of numbers before. and so i really believe that the voices are in the grassroots, they're being led by women in so many different places. that's where i see the strength of the democratic party moving forward. >> matt, big question for democrats in 2020, how do they understand what happened in 2016, what do they think it means strategically, how they should move forward? you've got some interesting new research you guys did on why hillary clinton, why democrats lost the white house in 20 16. one of the things you have here, you put this out today, said people who voted for barack obama in 2012, but who then voted for donald trump in 2016, accounted for more than two-thirds of the reason that clinton lost." you're saying there were crossover voters out there, voted for obama then voted for trump. tell us more, who are they? i think we know where they are. who are they and what motivated them do you think?
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>> what we sought out to do after the election is answer this big-picture question, extremely relevant for any of the people you mentioned considering running for office in 2020 and they all should be considering that and taking a hard look at it. we have to understand the challenges before us before we can figure out what the solution is. what we wanted to find out, answer a big-picture question, where the results and shift that took place in the election that led to those final results more an outcome, outgrowth of changes in support, in other words, people voting for barack obama then switching their vote to donald trump or was it changes in turnout, our base staying home or their base energized and coming out? we thought understanding that challenge is going to be critical to figuring out how we solve the challenge that lies ahead and what we found out is exactly that, that more than two-thirds, approximately 70%, in the key battleground states, was a result of changes in support. people who voted for barack obama in 2012, then switched
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their vote to donald trump. prior to the election, the idea, the concept, of an obama/trump voter was as real as a unicorn. now we realize this is an extremely important persuadable part of the electorate. these are not people that any democrat running for office anywhere in the country should swear off or ignore or just think is ungettable. these are people who voted for barack obama, that have voted democratic before, but we need to do a better job of reaching out to them and persuading them. we think the key to do that is by focusing on the right type of economic appeal to make that case clear. >> yeah, that's interesting, though, because you're talking about an economic appeal, you're identifying the voters and saying an economic appeal would be the key to getting them back. i have to say, a lot of the -- i understand this on one level, but the overwhelming message i have been hearing from democr democrats, at least, from november, has a lot more to do with russia, has to do with james comey in terms of saying these are the two reasons we lost. it sounds like you're saying, though, there's something deeper
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here. >> i think that's right. i think that's a mistake. i think russia is a critical issue that needs to be addressed and congress should address it and there are a lot of people out there that are shedding important light on how we address that issue. when we talk about politics and i think that's separate, when we talk about getting back to office, talk about elections to come, i'm still focused on the one that just happened and making sure we learn the right lessen lessons, reach out to people in empathetic way, where the persuadable trump voters are coming from. not so we become republican light, so we put our values in the back seat and move away from what we stand for. that's not what we're talking about. making sure we're broadening our economic message to be truly inclusive of them and their economic concerns. >> stephanie, let me ask you if you think is there a generational issue for democrats to be worrying about or thinking about as they go forward? what i mean, i look in the house of representatives in all three big democratic leaders there are into their 70s, you look at the
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senate, i guess by comparison, chuck schumer is a spring chicken at 65 or so. you look at those three, the three that right now seem to stand out the most in this early presidential field all would be over 70, in some cases well over 70 in 2020. how big a factor should sort of the idea of a new generation, a younger generation, becoming more visible, more prominent be, as democrats look to 2020? >> well, i don't think the age of any candidate matters as long as they are connecting with the voters, but we also are seeing a rise of new leaders coming up and coming up rapidly. not only did you go through it with the growing bench of potential presidential candidates but i think about the incredible democrats who won seats in 2016, folks like catherine cortez masto, maggie hassan, tammy duckworth in the
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senate, many women in the house and men to be fair, who came in. these are diverse various ages that bring great strength to the democratic party and that is really important here as i was listening to matt and recognizing that we cannot do that without ensuring that it brings everyone together. it is really important as we think about the next few elections coming up, particularly in 2018. we are a party that does bring people together. we stab for all americans moving forward. we need to listen and respect our rule, working class folks that we often hear about are these obama trump voters. we also, this is an and, not an
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or. we need to really be listening and hearing and working with african-american women who have been the back bone of the democratic party. this is not an either/or situation. this is and. we have to do both better. >> all right. thanks to both of you for joining us. thank you. some news today from capitol hill. the republican congresswoman, she represents a district from florida. she caught washington by surprise announcing she will be retiring at the end of her term. she is from a heavily democratic district in the previous detention race. and her retirement. a big opportunity for democrats. the question is how many other districts are there like hers where democrats could have a real shot in 2018? why pause a spontaneous moment? cialis for daily use treats ed and the urinary symptoms of bph. tell your doctor about your medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex.
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here's the challenge. we have to sprint. what's the number? 24. democrats need on win back 24 republican held seats in the house if they want to win back the house in 2018. why is 24 significant? because we have news from florida pufblt congresswoman ileana ross lleyton who has been there since 19 yinl. she's retired. check this out. this is her congressional district. look at that. she won last year. hillary clinton won it by 29 points. democrats have a golden opportunity at getting one of those 24. how many other districts in the country look like this?
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