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coverage with stephanie ruhle picking it up right now. >> thanks so much, joe. good morning. i'm stephanie ruhle. much to cover. we're watching br we're watching breaking news on three fronts. terror at the concert, isis already claiming responsibility after more than 22 are killed at an ariana grande show in manchester, england. >> oh, my god. >> the suicide bomber dead, one arrest this morning. >> this attack stands out for its appalling, sickening cowardest, deliberately targeting defenseless children. in the middle east the president weighs in. >> so many young, beautiful, innocent people, living and enjoying their lives, murdered by evil losers. >> the president taking off this hour for rome and then the vatican, after meeting with the palestinian leader trying to forge peace.
and new bombshells, the president reportedly pressuring the heads of intelligence to push back on the russia allegations, one of those men the director of national intelligence, testifies publicly this hour. we will begin this morning with that deadly attack at that concert in manchester. at least 22 dead, nearly 60 injured, many believed to be children, including at least one 8-year-old. our team is standing by with the very latest. now the chaos unfolded at the tail end of the concert, a lone bomber was just outside the main venue and he detonated an explosive as people left shows, the moment caught on tape. >> oh, my god. [ inaudible ]. >> this is crushing. nbc's matt bradley is live in
manchester. matt, isis is now claiming responsibility. has that been verified? >> it has been, stephanie. experts told nbc news this is a verified account and that this is a legitimate claim of responsibility by islamic state. of course, stephanie, it's always very hard to read the tea leaves when it comes to these isis claims of responsibility and we've seen so many of them over just the past couple of years. one thing we can say this statement did say in arabic this was one of isis' soldiers that attacked what they described as crusaders. now keep in mind, of course, these are mostly 13 to 15-year-old girls who isis is describing as crusaders. now there also were other discrepancies. they described multiple bombs that were used and seems as though there was only one. but still, this investigation is ongoing. they just arrested, the police here a 23-year-old in southwest
of this city, and this just goes to know there is a massive dragnet going all over the country but at the same time, remember, the westminster attack in march that was when a man named hallie masood drove his car and killed pedestrians on a bridge outside parliament including a police officer. there were almost a dozen people arrested and almost immediately let go. these arrests don't necessarily indicate that there's a broader conspiracy or broader cooperation among suspects. just goes to show this is a massive manhunt and we're going to be looking at this in several days, several weeks to come. stephanie? >> ongoing and unthinkable. just starting to get the names of victims in the attack. the first to be unofficially identified an 18-year-old girl others are still missing. >> i'm heartbroguen. i don't know where she is. i don't know if she's alive yet. >> how have you tried to contact
her? >> we tried facebook every way, twitter her, instagram her, face timing her. trying every social media site. it's just going straight through to it cannot be connected at the moment. >> devastating. nbc's keir simmons has more from manchester. >> there are stories of parents pulling their children from the concert venue behind me there. there are stories of parents rushing here to rescue their kids. there is a story even and we don't know if it's true or not of one adult leading away 50 kids and helping overnight to try to reunite them with their families. you can igine the emotion that unfolded in that time and, of course, this morning, we're beginning to hear the ages of those who were killed in the explosion. one young woman apparently 18, another as young as 8 years old.
we spoke to one family who were lucky as it turned out to be at the front of the concert, a mother and her teenage daughter, by the time that meant they got to the back of the concert hall the explosion had happened but it also meant they witnessed the blood and carnage that had unfolded just seconds earlier. you can imagine how difficult it is for that parent with her teenage daughter as she takes her home this morning. stephanie. >> thanks, keir. while this is happening, president trump is wrapping up his time in israel, taking the good-bye ceremony just took place at the tel aviv airport. he is now making his way to italy. we're going to be covering that as he lands in rome. i want to go back, though, to talk more about this disaster, this attack in manchester. joining me now, rebecca hinrich, national security expert with the hudson institute and michael
lighter is a former director of the national counterterrorism center and msnbc national security analyst. i'm sorry, this one's a lot. >> it's terrible. >> michael, isis has already claimed credit for this attack. do we believe them? >> well, we really don't know, because these claims of responsibility are sometimes truthful, sometimes not, but i think the most important point is, in the eyes of the attacker, he was likely part of that isis army. so whether he was talking with isis, whether or not he ever went to syria, it likely doesn't matter. what matters is in his eyes he is fighting the isis fight and in that sens he's part of the movement that is isis or that's how this investigation will likely develop. >> british prime minister said something that broke me earlierp, that the bomber specifically chose this location just outside the security perimeter to achieve maximum carnage. what can you tell us about that?
>> theresa may knows the most about terrorism and she has seen and the brits have seen where isis has learned where our productive quarters are. saw this at the attack in turkey at the airport. isis followers understand it's hard to get bombs past screeners but if you go before the screening area where you have large concentrations of people you can have this catastrophic effects. >> i want to turn back to tel aviv. kelly o'donnell is there. kelly, the president just getting ready to leave. there he is at the airport heading to rome. he's already made comments about the attack in manchester. >> this is one of those moments, stephanie, when outside events can cast a very large shadow on a trip of this magnitude for president trump. and especially when you're talking about trying to bring about peace in a region that has seen so much conflict. the events in man chest, the
tragedy, were the first comments the president made today when standing side by side with mahmoudas. he talked about the need to protect young innocen and that the -- the world tolerating such violence cannot go on. he also in very much his typical trump voice, said, he did not want to call the perpetrators monsters because they would enjoy that, and instead he said from now on he would call them losers. this is some of what president trump had to say in reaction to the tragedy in manchester. >> we must drive out the terrorists and the extremists from our midst. obliterate this evil ideology and protect and defend our citizens and people of the world. >> and, of course, the president now making his third stop in honor of the world's great mon listic religions, of course, in
israel he honored judaism, saudi arabia, islam, and now he will head to the vatican to meet with pope francis to honor catholicism but by extension all of christianity. it has been an emotional trip for the president in terms of the personal contacts he's made, the import of the moment and it will always have a tinge of controversy and challenges for him. of course meeting pope francis in person, will bring its own unique challenges after candidate trump spoke out forcefully against the holy father in a way quite stunning during the campaign after pope francis had commented about the building of walls not being an extension of the christian faith. so for president trump, his time in israel has been viewed very successfully, in terms of his rong relationship with prime nister benjamin netanyahu, who has also been quite emotional and we saw the president visit the western wall and also to honor the holocaust victims.
the president as he prepares to board air force one, a kiss good-bye to sarah netanyahu and a handshake with his longtime friend the prime minister benjamin netanyahu. stephanie? >> thank you, kelly. as the president and first lady make their way on to air force one, heading to rome. i want to bring my panel back in. rebecca, part of the president's mission on this international trip is to try to force out extremism. the fact that we saw this attack take place in manchester last night and possibly isis is behind it, could in any way we draw a link the attack is in response to this movement by the president? >> i think that would be the wrong lesson to learn. the president is trying to explain something i think that we've missed over the last couple of decades, frankly, of fighting islamist radicalism, that is that this is an ideological battle, not just confined to geography, it's happening in the minds of these young men and women, frankly,
who are being recruited because they think there's going to be glory and death, glory in martyr dom. the president is right, i thought it was powerful the speech he gave in riyadh where he was exhorting the muslim leaders in their mosques to make it clear that there's no martyr dom in killing people for the sake of islam, you don't receive glory in that. in fact, that you just receive judgment. that's an important point and i think it would be a powerful thing then if the president started making those exhortations to the people, to muslim americans, to encourage their islamic leaders to make this very clear, that there is no glory in death, and killing those to try to force conversion, it's a powerful point and i think that we need more of that if we're going to get a handle on this. >> a powerful pnt. michael, what is your take? i mean for young muslim americans who are scared after an attack like this, scared what the path is for them going forward? >> well, i think rebecca is right it's a powerful point, but
i disagree this is something new. this what is president george w. bush said, what president obama said, and in inn fairness to the american muslim community, the american muslim community has repeatedly condemned acts of terror whether al qaeda, isis or elsewhere. we have to be honest with where the problem is. the problem is a small, small subset of young muslims throughout the world and that's a huge problem we have to confront it. we have to confront it with intelligence, with police, with military and hand in hand with the communities. i'm more optimistic than i was that the president's statement in saudi arabia went back to a cooperative tone rather than adversarial one and i think that's a good thing. i hope the strategy now follows that rhetoric. >> this attack specifically, the fact that it was a concert that was basically for tweens and teens, to choose a soft target that's kids? >> there is no doubt that isis is a horrendous, heartless
movement, which is focused on death. that is indisputable. i think it's indisputable in the muslim community andestern europe and also in saudi arabia and jordan and elsewhere. so they will go after the soft targets. they don't care if it's women or children. they don't care if it's in london or paris or brussels, we know that. and the way we have to confront this again, we have to confront it at its physical root in syria, its ideological root which has now taken hold throughout the internet and we also have to attack it in population centers in london and manchester and brussels and we have to understand the drivers for that, and try to combat it and then we have to go after it with law enforcement and military. >> we need to go back to matt bradley in manchester. we just got an official positive identification of the attacker. what do you know? >> well, the only information that has been released so far and this was to my colleagues in washington, not through british authorities here in britain, the
name of this man is sulaiman ramadan abededy, a 22-year-old. we don't know whether he's a british national, born here, raised here, whether he was a refugee who came from syria and that area in the middle east where islamic state is based. but we also -- we don't know, you know, to what extent there was an association between this now named attacker and islamic state corporate if you will, in syria and iraq where they have their self-declared caliphate. as i mentioned before, masood was another british born muslim who rammed his car in march and killed five people outside of parliament. he was actually born here, raised here, and it wasn't quite clear whether he had any level of real association with islamic state and its fighters in the self-declared caliphate in syria and iraq and the same thing goes for this. we still don't know, despite the obviously more sophisticated style of attack that we saw here
last night, compared to masood and the westminster bridge attack, whether a more sophisticated attack also implies a higher level of association. stephanie. >> would you agree with that, the fact that this was a more sophisticated style of attack, does that give you any clue that it was more closely tied to organized isis and not a lone wolf? >> it suggests some sophistication, but the challenge we face is that there's been a proliferation of expertise on the internet and there's also a proliferation of communications technology and encryption which allows communications officials can't see. that combination means when we see the sophistication, we don't necessarily know there has been a tight tie or not. it's much harder for us to detect those owe associations than it -- associations than it was five years ago. i think we will see this person was on their radar, the volume is overwhelming for the brits, they can't keep up with it and that he learned about isis and bomb making. whether or not we see a direct communications link, that may
never come about. >> you know, we forget that technology has helped us in keeping out these attackers, but it's helped them from being found. >> you were the up wione that ge information on the attacker. what more can you tell us? >> well, a couple things here, stephanie. first of all it isn't clear to the authorities in the u.s. that have been briefed by their british counter parts whether the arrest today have been directly connected to last night's terror attack. there seems to be an incident involving a shopping mall, sending a package to a shopping mall that led to this arrest of the 23-year-old at the apartment complex in manchester, but it's to be determined yet by the british authorities if they've made the connection. we haven't heard of it yet. we don't know whether this 23-year-old who was arrested today, had any connection to the bomber last night. stephanie, as to your discussion just with mike lighter about
whether the size and explosive force of this backpack bomb tells us whether this person had any connection with isis, i would simply say absolutely not. it doesn't tell us one way or the other. remember, that the boston marathon bombs that were also deadly and very sizable, they were set off outside, so just like the ones in the uk, they were pretty well designed and there was never any connection found between the stsarnaev brothers and all indications were they figured out how to build those bombs entirely on their own. so i don't think you can make any conclusion at all. this is a 22-year-old, the older tsarnaev brother was older than that, i don't know whether that
is any -- anything significant, but the point simply i don't think you conclude one way or the other based simply on the device. >> pete, thank you so much. michael, thank you. we will take a break and we'll have much more on the deadly attack in manchester. former nypd commissioner bill bratton will be here to explain how vulnerable we are. up next, it's also a big day on capitol hill. any minute now, the director of national intelligence will testify one day after it was revealed president trump asked him to speak out on the rusan investigation. stay with us. much to cover this morning. you're watching "msnbc live." ready or not, here i come. ♪ anyone can dream. making it a reality is the hard part.
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welcome back. i'm stephanie ruhle. you're watching msnbc. moments ago air force one taking off from tel aviv airport. the president and the first lady headed to rome. much happening on the president's first foreign trip. in the u.s. we are awaiting two high-profile officials testifying this morning. in about ten minutes director of national intelligence dan coats testifies before a senate committee, former cia director john brennan testifies at 10:00 a.m. and national security agency director admiral mike rogers goes later today. this all comes as nbc news confirms a "washington post" report that president trump asked coats and rogers to publicly deny the existence of any evidence of coordination
between his campaign and russia during the election. mike viqueira is on capitol hill. michael, tell us about these new details coming in? >> you're right. and that approach by president trump that nbc has confirmed to mike rogers, the director of the national security agency, admiral mike rogers, and dan coats, the director of national intelligence, to publicly push back on these aelllegations or e public information made public by james comey march 20th testimony to congress there was an active investigation into russian interference in the election. we will hear from the director of national intelligence can dotes coming before the senate armed services committee. this was a prescheduled hearing on worldwide threats and mike rogers, both men were concerned enough according to the reports, to compare notes on their encounter with president trump. however,ot were not concerned enough toeport it to higher authorities. and both say that neither man believed that they were asked to do anything illegal.
so far, stephanie, the white house has refused comment. >> i want to bring in my panel to help me unpack all of this. two msnbc contributors, columnist for the new york daily news, mike lupica and former rnc chairman michael steele. i want to start with you, what's your take on it? >> he's like, no, i don't want to answer that. >> go to this mikele. >> discuss. >> no. again, this is one of those things that the story continues to find its legs. and despite the fact that the president is having a very good trip abroad at the moment, this is one of those realities that's going to remind him when he gets back here, if not before, that you cannot hide from what he's done. and what he's tried to do. i think what he's beginning to realize, that this sense of loyalty does have a water's edge and it is not at the expense of their own integrity. these men who served in previous administrations, have served government, do honor the responsibility they have to the american people. so they're willing now to put out on the line, take their
notes to the congress, and say here, take a look, this is what happened. because of the way this president has approached this. this president from the beginning, and a lot has to do with him and the very people in the inner circle who have not come to the conclusion or reality that you cannot escape this. it is what it is. and it will be found out whether iturts y or helps you, it will be found out. and to try to avoid that is not something that you're going to get around. >> mr. lupica, you've known donald trump for, what, 20 years? >> 30 years. >> is this obstruction of justice or is this the donald being donald and even if it is, is that acceptable? >> i've tried to tell my kids as they were growing up, ignorance is not an excuse. and mike, at what point do the people around this president, and that includes dan coats and mike rogers and all these people, stop treating him like a kid who has taken over the principal's office -- >> they're never going to. read about nato meeting. foreign leaders will shorten up
what they say and use shorter words because they know he's got a short attention span. people are catering to how he behaves? >> but it's not enough for him to say now, i don't know what i don't know. he still -- mike and i were talking about this before. he acts like he's trying to finesse the head of the iron workers union with a building he's trying to get. and not only does he not understand separation of powers, the only powers he's interested in, profoundly, are his own. so you can imagine how he keeps stepping into it this way. >> how stoke ready you not to run the rnc right now? >> oh, my god. >> it's just one great big dysfunctional family. >> but here's -- you touch on i think the real rub here. this is beyond trump. the party has sort of embraced going back to the primary, embraced this in a way that they now own it. and you're already beginning to hear and see members on the hill and those who are looking at the elections next year going, we've
got to do a course correction, otherwise th ship will go down next november. we will lose the house, we will not hold the senate, because the american people are not going to buy into this. we can't stand on the frontline and go, oh, there's nothing to see here. we can't play it down that way. >> michael is talking about a course correction. this same michael talked about a pivot for a while. we didn't see a pivot, i don't know if we'll see a course correction. >> the course correction isn't from donald trump, it's from the party leadership. later for trump. my re-election is more important than where the president is at this point for a lot of these memberers. >> for all our fascination today with coats and rogers and john brennan, you know what i hope they eventually do, i hope they perp walk michael flynn in there. if he wants to take the fifth, make him take it in front of the american people. because this guy knew who he was and what he was doing when he was leading the chants of "lock her up" last year. >> was leading the chants of "lock her up" hillary clinton did not plead the fifth.
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britain's manchester arena. a u.s. official briefed by british counterparts says the suspected bomber is 22-year-old salman ramadan abedi born on december 31st, 1994. police say he died after detonating an improvised explosive device near one of the vep new's -- venue's exits as the concert was getting out. the attack killed 22 people and injured nearly 60, many of the victims are children joining me senior law enforcement and national security analyst bill bratton the former nypd committee and chairman of ta nay yo risks. isis is already claiming responsibility. what's your reaction? >> well isis is claiming responsibility, it's a little too early to determine if, in fact, they were involved. there are three terms we use relative to terrorist attack spy, enable, directed. this young man will do a rollback trying to determine what was his motivation, was he
inspired, was he directed or enabled. it's early to give them credit for this, despite their attempt to claim credit for it. >> we don't know anything about this 23-year-old young man who was arrested in south manchester but the fact that the authorities have made an arrest does that tell you anything? >> early on pete williams was reporting that this may be a totally separate incident from the event of the bombing, so once again, on that one, we'll have to just wait and see if there is a connection. usually you see additional arrests coming out of these as the authorities move on other related types of incidents. >> in identifying the bomber, whether it was lone wolf or coordinated with isis, does it make a difference, 22 young people killed, 60 injured? >> it doesn't make a difference at all, actually, does it, that the boston bombing was strictly an inspired event, the events in orlando inspired events. people's lives are still lost. and it's lost to terrorism,
whether inspired, enabled or directed. >> given the amount of terror attacks happening around the world, does our behavior need to change? this attack took place in the foyer just outside the security perimeter, but some concertgoers said even when they got inside they didn't have their bags checked. do we need to change security practices, given the strain we're seeing? >> it would be interesting to see if, in fact, that story that bags were not checked, is true. i would be amazed if that were the case. here in the united states, going to most sporting events, most entertainment events routine checking of bags, prohibition about bringing bags into events, can't bring coolers into stadiums, that's part of the changing world we're in. as we go further we're constantly trying to upgrade our security measures, bag checks, et cetera. there will be a lot to learn from this event. what might have been prevented things that weren't prevented because security procedures weren't in place that could have
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i get back to business. ♪ ♪ breaking news on capitol hill. the director of national intelligence, dan coats, testifying right now, before the senate armed services committee, where we could learn new details about the russia collusion investigation. we're also following breaking news in europe. isis now claiming responsibility for a suicide attack after an ariana grande concert in manchester, england. at least 22 people were killed and 59 injured. earlier this morning, i spoke to democratic congresswoman jackie spear of california. >> congresswoman, good morning. i want to start with that awful, awful concert attack that took place in manchester. isis has now claimed responsibility. is there any evidence you've heard to back that up?
>> there's no evidence yet, and i think british authorities have yet to confirm the linkage. most of the time these are lone wolf operations that isis likes to take credit for. the real issue is, whether or not muslim youth around the united states and around the world, feel there's a pathway forward for them or do they become so isolated that this is their only avenue of making a statement about their religion. >> are there concerns about similar attacks taking place in the united states? >> we're always concerned about lone wolf attacks, and we've had a number of them. the fbi is constantly following leads, but it's also like trying to find a need until -- needle in a hey stak. >> last night's attack doesn't make you feel there's increased risk here? >> i think the risk has been high for aong period of time and we have some very dedicated
fbi agents around the country who are always looking out for potential risks and watching people. >> i want to turn to some major development in the russia investigation. a former senior intelligence official tells nbc news president trump asked two top intelligence officials, director of national intelligence, dan coats, and national security agency director adplirl mike rogers -- admiral mike rogers to say publicly they saw no evidence that the trump campaign colluded with russia, both declipds to accommodate the president. what's your reaction to that? >> it's a startling admission that has been made and it, i think, is very similar to what we've heard from others who have leaked information. there's a mountain of evidence that is growing that shows an interest in wanting to obstruct the investigation, and as that
grows, so does the potential criticism that there's been obstruction of justice. >> what is interests in wanting to obstruct, what's the difference between interests and obstructs? >> we have to determine whether this was just a reference, gee, help me out here, or was this a veiled attempt at an obstruction of justice, and the evidence needs to be presented to the congress to make that case. and again, much of this at this point are leaks. we have to confirm these leaks and determine under what circumstances they were made and what corroboration there is. >> in terms of presenting evidence, there's somebody who doesn't want to do that. new former national security adviser michael flynn, appears to have lied to security clearance investigators by tellinthem he was paid by u.s. companies when he traveled to russia in december of 2015. that's according to a letter by ranking democrat on the house oversight committee, elijah
cummings. what have you heard about this? >> i'm aware of what's been reported in the news, but separate and distinct from that, he had an obligation as a retired general, to request permission from the army before making the trip and getting approval to do so. he never made that request, and i have sent a letter to the acting secretary of the army asking him to start proceedings to take whatever action he can under his authority under the uniform code of military justice. >> before we go at the top of the hour, former cia director john brennan is set to testify publicly before the house intelligence committee, on the russia investigation. what do you want to ask him? >> well, i want to ask him about the russian oligarchs in particular. it appears that russian oligarchs, with the approval of president putin, have engaged here in the united states, many
of them buying apartments from the trump organization. and then there has been some speculation that quid pro quo for that is that the trump organization would offer information about those russian oligarchs to putin. so whether or not that has taken place, that was certainly in the dough see yea made public months ago. i want to have more evidence from the director as to whether or not the cia follows up on those kinds of individuals in thunited stas. >> all right. congresswoman, thanks so much for joining me this morning. >> my pleasure. >> right now the director of national intelligence dan coats is testifying before the senate arms services committee and brennan will be testifying in just 15 minutes. russia will be a big topic for both of them. plus the trump budget is out and there are some drastic cuts to programs like medicaid which help the poor, so will this budget actually get passed?
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the waste and abuse, but save it. >> your word is your bond. that was president trump on the day he announced his candidacy for president, laying out a platform that included, are you listening, -- preserving medicaid. but the trump administration's budget proposal falls very short of that promise. the proposal calls for massive cuts to medicaid, as well as food stamps, children's health programs, and disability insurance. the white house hopes the plan will eliminate the deficit in ten years. on top of those cuts, it also calls for $200 billion to fund infrastructure projects, and $19 billion for new parental leave program. my panel is back with me. mike lupica and michael steele. mike, i think you may have brought yourself a little quote, you are so excited for this. >> we've got people running this country now whose mantra is everybody into the life boats, boys -- us first. this is a quote from mick mulvaney, director of the office of management and budget.
if you're on food stamps and you're able-bodied, we need you to go to work. if you're on disabity insurance and you're not supposed to be, y're not truly disabled, we need you to go back to work." so there's this implication in this budget that all of these people are just sitting back and not looking for work when they're supposed to be and talking about cuts to medicaid that are going to attack the neediest people in this country. >> the problem is -- and it is a mindset that's been pervasive among some in the republican budget world who look at the numbers and not the people behind the numbers. and so i have a very simple question i ask folks when i give talks around the kwunt. when you wa country. when you wake up in the morning do you say to yourself all i want to be today is poor? how many of you do that? raise your hand. no one raises their hand. so then the next question is, why do you think the poor wakes up and says to themself, gee, i like this, all i want to be is the state i'm in right now? if we don't understand why people are where any are, and we
don't take that idea, that concept which jack kemp emboldened for us, a rising tide lifts all boats -- yes, it does, but you got to have a boat first. so can we be about helping people build their own boats? that's where i think the republican party needs to come into the conversation when they start talking about budgets. it is beyond the numbers. look at the people behind the numbers. you said something off air about, you know, there is a whole lot that we can look in our system and skim and fix before we start putting it on the backs of every day folks. that's the reality that i think people need to come to grips with that we are so keyed in for scapegoating the poor, i think we're going to balance trillions of dollars worth of budget priorities on the backs of poor people? it's not going to happen. you've cut medicaid all day long. all you're doing is cutting out poor people from having health care and services. >> when mick mulvaney talks about these cuts, he never actually says, well, it's because this program doesn't work but we've got an alternate
program. is it the risk here in just slashing these budgets, you're not offering any sort of -- if you're going to suddenly say, i'm not going to give you food stamps, go get a job, you're not going to be able to go get a job unless you've got food on your table, unless you're living somewhere safe where your kids can go to school. don't we need to know, well, here's the solution, not just i'm cutting you out and kicking you out. >> stephanie, we just played another clip out of the past for a president that's like, that was then, this is now. when do we stop paying any attention to a presidency where words don't matter? where what you said last week or last month or last year doesn't matter? it always reminds me of the old box is promoter, bob arron. yesterday i was lying, today i'm telling the truth. >> but the president could say you are cutting my words, taking them out of context. but to those trump supporters who voted for him because he looked them in the face and said income inequality? i'm going to solve it.
when the rubber hits the road and these programs get cut or jobs aren't created -- >> that's them. that's going to be on them because they are the ones that will be most directly impacted by those programs being cut and those jobs not being created. and you've got to look at it that way. those folks are very much at the end of that sphere. does it surprise you that there are still believers? >> it is very surprising. at some point when that base starts to erode, maybe that will be the thing that gets the attention of this president. >> we'll see. all right. we are also keeping an eye on senate armed services committee leenk hearing on worl threats. moments ago the director on national intelligence, dan coats says while isis claimed responsibility for the attack in manchester, we "haven't yet verified the connection." >> this threat is real, it is not going away and needs significant attention to do everything we can to protect our people from these kinds of
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yesterday i had the honor to give the commencement address at my alma mater 20 years after i graduated, lehigh university. it was extraordinary last night we were then struggling, listening to the news of that tragic, tragic terror attack. this one specifically targeting young people. i thought about the day i had at lehigh and i couldn't help but be inspired by the energy, the
fortitude, the optimism of those graduates i met. i know these are scary, scary times, but we must not be scared. and to the graduating class of 2017 at schools around the country -- i honor you with congratulations and look forward to your leadership next. that wraps up this hour. i'm stephanie ruhle. coming up right now, more news with my friend chris jansing. >> including the news that stephanie ruhle got a standing ovation from those graduates of lehigh. so congratulations on that. but we have so much going on. the hunt. british police searching for accomplices in a bombing at a concert filled with young girls, tweens and teens. we now know the name of the lone attacker. he was killed while carrying out the deadliest terror incident inside the uk in more than a decade. witnesses describing mass chaos, shouts of girls crying for their mothers. a stampede to get out. so much confusion last night.
and this morning, some parents still searching for their sons and daughters. >> i don't know if she's alive even yet. >> all of a sudden there was a big fire. >> everyone just went crazy and was running and screaming and trying to get out. >> just the scariest experience of my life. also right now we are watching three events on capitol hill. a house intelligence hearing on the investigation into russia's role in the u.s. election. former cia director john brennan is testifying. overnight, nbc news confi confirming that president trump asked intel chiefs to deny collusion allegations, and one of them director of national intelligence, dan coats, is testifying separately before senators. and we're awaiting house speaker paul ryan who is set to take questions from reporters. but let's starth the