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after a terror attack isn't burying your head in the sand, it's exactly the opposite, acknowledging the threat and refuges to give in, giving the middle finger to those whose goal is to stoke fear. israelis or americans or parisians or iraqis or egyptians or turks or anyone else won't be intimidated. that is all for tonight. we will be back tomorrow with more with "meet the press" daily. tomorrow, for the record starts right now. hello, greta. >> hello. we have breaking news including a top secret nsa document russia conducting a cyber attack on at least one boating software supplier just days before the november 8th presidential election. this top secret document dated may 5th, 2017 is the most details account of russian inference yet come to light. this coming days after russian
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president putin insisting his government had nothing to do with any hacking. >> translator: in theory, it is possible that -- no hackers will be able to have an impact on the electoral campaign in any country. >> joining me, nbc news justice contemporary, pete williams. what's the latest on this? >> it's a fascinating development. because an hour after the intercept posted that story you just showed the justice department revealed over the weekend it arrested a woman that prosecutors say is the person who gave the document to the intercept. this is the document here. according to court document, the intercept actually called the u.s. government the national security agency on may 30th and said, hey, we've got this document, we're going to do a story on it. what do you say about it? you will see things on the
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screen there blacked out. according to the intercept, the nsa asked certain things be redacted before the story was published and the intercept says it agreed to do so. the discovery by the nsa that someone had leaked this document sent off alarm bells in the agency and they immediately began to try to figure out where it came from. according to investigators, the copy they got from the intercept showed that the document had been printed and folded in half so the government says the nsa began looking at who had printed it out and they narrowed down in a woman in augusta, georgia, who works for a contractor, that is employed by the nsa and they determined that she was the person that did it. according to court documents, they confronted her and she admitted sending to it the intercept earlier in may. her nay imrealty lee winter. she's 25. her attorney says she looks forward to getting this past
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her. this is astonishing that within an hour after the disclosure that a niece organization has a classified document, the government says, it's arrested someone for leaking it. that's fairly breathtaking. we also have to step back here and realize by disclosing this, the government is in essence, acknowledging, not in essence, flat out acknowledging in fact this really is a classified document that is legit. quite an amazing series of events. >> this breaking news is breathtaking. pete, thank you. >> you bet. >> ken delaney, the intelligence reporter for nbc national news. what can you add to this breaking news? >> i've been looking at this document and intercept story. interesting, it doesn't appear to break major new ground. it talks about hacking of the voter registration system and spear fishing against local
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officials by the russians. it says point-blank there is no evidence any votes were changed and this document doesn't change that picture. it suggests the russians got a little bit further into the voting system than had been widely understood. that's quite disconcerting that this behavior continued even after they were publicly called out. another interesting thing my intelligence sources pointed out this document flatly attributes the hacking to the russian intelligence agency. that's caveat. usually this stuff is all caveated. the only way they would know that is very sensitive intelligence not detailed in this document rather dramatic and remarkable. >> i find it remarkable without even getting to the substance of the fact the person that had access to this is 25 years old, a contractor, she has had top secret clearance, only worked there since february 13th and yet they go running behind
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closed doors and won't let the rest of us hear anything. if you say the document is unremarkable, what in the world is someone having a top secret clearance after only a few months. who ever thought she would be secure with this? >> this to me underscores the problem the nsa and other agencies are having. there was a day when once you got in that door you were a trusted person. these kind of leaks were almost unheard of. now, we're seeing them in rather rapid succession, edward snowden and this man, harold martin accused of hoarding material from the nsa and other leaks. they have a real problem with people getting these clearances and deciding for whatever reason they're going to share this classified information. we can only speculate to the motive of this person. were they concerned the russians were getting away de. >> iing they hacked the election and here is evidence the u.s. government is unwilling to disclose? it's a real issue for the
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intelligence community today. >> is there any way, if you say this was gru doing this, is there any way vladamir putin would not know this? if he knew this, not that anyone suspected he was telling the truth we just caught him in a big lie. >> nbc news reported months ago he not only knew about some of this he personally directed some of this. this was a topdown covert intelligence operation aimed at russia's main adversary. no way putin didn't have his hands all over this thing according to our intelligence sources. >> with me, michael isikoff for yahoo! news. what a liar. not that anyone ever thought he was telling the truth. what a liar. >> a couple things leap out at me on this, first of all the culprit accused was a contractor, like edward snowden, does raise the question. >> she'd been there since
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february and had top secret clearance. >> the document itself actually i find quite fascinating because it talks about activities conducted by the gru, russian intelligence and right through october, targeting spear fishing campaigns to get access to state voter registration databases. this goes back to the question of what the obama administration did when they discovered that the russians were -- had this influence campaign in the election and were hacking. remember, in august, john brennan, the cia director called up the fsb director, say, cut it out! this is going to hurt you. in september, president obama talks to putin himself in china at the summit there and say, cut it out. the claim that was made by some obama administration officials is, yes, we delivered the
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message and they got it. in fact, this seems to be pretty powerful evidence that they did not. >> or they didn't care or they thought it was ridiculous, so what if the president obama administration says stop it. >> they got the message. exactly. that's my point. the point is there's been a lot of criticism looking back how the obama administration handle this when they knew the russians were doing it and did they do enough? did they in fact blow the whistle and take strong enough actions to deter the russians? this would seem to be strong evidence that they did not. >> i think the first time that we saw anything beyond just sort of wagging our finger at them and telling them to stop was in late december, when the sanctions were imposed and also when we threw a bunch of their diplomats out and seized their two houses, one in new york and maryland. that was after the elections. >> there were people who wanted them to take that action in september, august, september and october. adam schiff, the ranking
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democrat on house intelligence committee said a couple weeks ago he was very disappointed that the obama administration didn't react swiftly and more forcefully to the intelligence that we had. i think this is going to revive that debate. >> why would they not have done that? why would they wouldn't have taken action? >> why didn't the obama white house do it? >> it's easy, 20/20 hindsight, we all come up with great solutions, at the time why wasn't there enough reason to think to say stop it. >> the chief reason was they didn't want to be too public about it because they didn't want it to be political. they assumed hillary clinton was going to win. they were concerned if they went out publicly beyond that limited october 7th statement that they put out, that it would look like they were buying into what had become the clinton campaign's theme about going after the russians, that they would be looking like they were trying to tilt the scale in favor of the
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clinton campaign. they didn't want to do that and so shay stayed silent. >> and you have the october 28th letter from fbi director comey which is a problem for secretary clinton. >> that's a separate issue. >> separate issue. >> but it will be coming up thursday when comey testifies. >> i'm sure the clintons are burning tonight. with me ranking member of the democratic house committee of foreign affairs. good evening. >> good evening. >> there's proof, not that anybody had any doubt that the russians were meddling in our election, this document sure makes it -- there it is on paper. >> yeah. i have always believed and still, this document makes sure it was a continued belief that's why we need an independent commission to come and to investigate and to review everything that took place very similar, as to what we did with 9/11. there's no question that the russians were involved and
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seemingly got deep into our political process, how deep, we don't know. what we should do about it and what we need to do to prevent it, that's what the independent commission job and responsibility would be. after 9/11, the independent commission came up with several recommendations that took effect and made us better and safer as a nation snm. likewise, it is important now we have a similar commission established just to review this whole process. >> if you look at the polls, everybody wants to find out and wants it done right and fairly. we all want to get to the bottom of this, republicans, democrats, independents. here's the problem. why do you want an independent commission? we sort of sent people to washington, republicans and democrats to serve on these committees to do these sort of fact investigations and now it's basically admission the committees can't do it and have to outsource to it some other
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committee, people we didn't even elect. why no faith in these committees? >> i think the intelligence committees on both the house and the senate needs to continue to do their jobs also. this is a serious matter. i think we've had such ke -- divided politics a long period of time, the people will have the intelligence committee in the house and intelligence committee in the senate and independent commission and a special prosecutor because that's how serious this matter is. i think there are different functions for each and each need to do their job and their responsibility. >> all right. president obama imposed sanctions late december and threw a bunch of russian diplomat, supposedly diplomats, i don't think they were diplomat, i think they were spy, but threw them out of the country. what would you do at this point? if it is, as it certainly appear, not that anybody doubted it, that the russians meddled in our election and now we have it on paper, putin lied about it a couple days ago saying he knew
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nothing about it, what is the u.s. response? what are our options? >> again, i think our options are to make sure we keep the sanctions and make sure they're strong and we work with our allies, especially our european allies, some are worried we will remove the sanctions. many of our nato and eu allies seem to be more focussed on the sanctions than we are and the strength of the sanctions. they know russia, too, has been involved in their elections. now, it's time to double up to make sure the president and his individuals really talk about that not only will the sanctions not be removed, but looking at strengthening them and maybe going broader than just individuals and talking about the government itself, since it appears to be coming from the government itself. >> off the top of your head, any thoughts on who you would like to see head a commission if a commission were created? >> you know, thick there should
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be somebody or bipartisan basis, maybe you'll have two former secretaries of state, secretary kerry and secretary rice, those would be two individuals to head it? secretary clinton would love to get in on that one but i don't think that would be a good choice, for obvious reasons. she's got a -- she's very much has an interest in this one. thank you for joining us, sir. >> good to be with you. >> thursday is the big day. just a short time ago the white house saying it will not try to stop former fbi director james comey from testifying. is there any chance that decision could be reversed by the white house before thursday? if and when comey does testify, what questions might he face and what questions might he want to avoid. and a new debate about president trump's tweets? are they official statements or does the media obsess too much about them? brace yourself. it may be the biggest trial since o.j. simpson.
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in order to facilitate a swift and thorough examination of the facts sought by the intelligence committee, president trump will not exert executive privilege regarding james comey testimony. >> there will be people standing in line to get in, talking about the senate intel committee with the now fired fbi director james comey. the president making it official today president trump will not try to stop comey from testifying. it is very different from what kellyanne conway said five hours
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earlier. >> the president will make that decision but if mr. comey does testify we will be watching with everyone else, savannah. i would point out two things, most of the democrats detested this man until president trump fired him. >> does the white house accept the possibility he might stop him from asserting executive privilege? is that an open possibility? >> the president will make that decision. we will all be watching. >> eric columbus' special counsel under president obama and a former prosecutor from georgetown law center. the president is saying it won't invoke the executive privilege and i assume if he said he would have invoked this executive privilege, would it have held? >> no. i think part of the reason is his lawyers have told him setting aside the politics and
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optics he did not have a leg to stand on? >> why is that? >> congress has -- there are a number of reasons. congress has a legitimate interest here and the privilege is not unqualified. it has to yield to the institutional imperative for the congress, which is looking into the circumstances of mr. comey's dismissal, which it's entirely justified in doing. >> eric, do you agree if the president in viked it, it wouldn't hold? >> i would certainly agree with what bob said and add one other point. james comey is a private citizen. executive privilege is a shield to protect the administration from congress and the courts trying to extract information perhaps they shouldn't have access to. >> isn't that to avoid chilling the thoughtful open discussion between members of the executive branch advising the president. isn't that the purpose of that? >> yes, it is. >> does it really matter whether
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comey is on the payroll or not because it would have a chilling effect, would it not, if in fact the privilege were busted that way? >> it could. we recognize that in a free society, former government officials have the ability to talk about what they saw behind the scenes. people write books all the time and sometimes not very flattering appreciations of their former boss. james comey could come on your show tomorrow. >> we welcome him. >> the thing i always wonder about this privilege, it's to protect secret conversations. if the president has tweeted about them, spoken about them, like attorney-client privilege, has he not busted it, the president himself? >> he waived it with all those tweets and when he gave that interview to lester holt, i don't care what that memo said from rod rosenstein i was going to fire mueller.
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you don't get to talk all over town about something and when the guy you were talking about wants to say it, you can't say shut-up, that's not how it works. >> if you were advising the president as former white house counsel, what's or advice to him? >> on which topic? >> on all these topics before thursday? >> i would suggest he not tweet while comey goes in or while he testifies or after he leaves. i think he should declare a no tweet zone. >> what do you think the odds are if he got bob's advice he would follow it, besides the fact that bob's a democrat, besides that? >> i think the advice would be more effective if it was coupled with a golfing invitation for thursday. >> paul. >> we lawyers play this parlor game, would you represent donald trump, just saying he asked. my answer is no way. not because of the issues we disagree with, because he's such a lousy client.
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he does not listen to his lawyers and he can't shut up. >> it is extraordinary. i suspect everybody has told him to stop tweeting. i bet even his wife has told him. >> the funny thing is how much of a typical client he is in some ways in which sometimes clients just don't do what you say even when the stakes are as high as they are for donald trump. >> assuming executive privilege were invoked and comey said, i don't care, i will testify anyway. >> he might well have done that. i suspect the leadership of the committee, senator burr, might have tried to reach out to the white house and work out some sort of commendation and responded in some way, what you're concerns and what do we have to do. keep in mind that would have put the republicans in the senate in a difficult situation. in the end, the president could not have prevailed to keep comey from talking about what he is talking about. >> i'm actually surprised he didn't fight it, not that he
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thought he couldn't win executive privilege. it's his nature to be more combative, number one, and to the extent you kcan drag things out as a lawyer, the less likely you will lose and the longer you do the attention will go away. how long could he have fought it out? >> until thursday. >> let's say he fought -- i would think comey -- if president trump invoked the executive privilege, i would think comey would disagree but wait for someone else to make a decision for him whether it's lawful or not. >> that's possible. i couldn't predict what he might have done in that situation. i suspect james comey, extremely effective of finding ways to tell a story when he wants to tell it, would not have been stymied in his ability to do so here. >> paul, your advice for the from. >> but for his big mouth i think he had a decent case before he waived the privilege.
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nixon asserted it with regard to the watergate tapes for the intelligence committee. he won there. the tapes warrant privileged with regard -- weren't privileged with regard to the special council, but the senate committee comey is testifying thursday. obama tried it for the fast and furious investigation and he lost. there's a mixed record. i think he had a plausible case to make but for the fact that he can't shut up. >> down the line. is this a big deal thursday? >> it could be. i think the director comey will be careful here. i think he's going to speak to the issues he feels he should be speaking about. there are other matters with the special counsel investigating he will steer fall away from. >> big deal or not big deal thursday? >> i think medium deal. the hype is becoming so dramatic no way to possibly live up to that and i don't think comey will produce a smoke gun. >> paul. >> the president called comey a showboat. he is a bit of a drama king. he likes a big moment in the spotlight and likes to do
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we are only three days from former fbi director comey's testimony. there are so many questions for him. we did get one answer, president trump will not block comey from testifying thursday. what are some other key questions for the fired fbi director? >> does mr. comey agree that is what was said? why would he tell the president that? what was the tone and context of those discussions?
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>> what kind of pressure appropriate or inappropriate. how many conversations did he have with the president about this topic and what kind of conversations took place before he was sworn in. >> if you thought there was obstruction of justice, why didn't you act on it? >> why he thought it was important to immediately download that and what other meetings he had frankly he didn't think were so important to download what happened. >> with me, greg miller, national security contemporary for the washington coast and michael isikoff for the yahoo! news is back. all those sound bites are about the firing of james comey, allegations of obstruction of justice mainly, but i went to see what the hearing topic is on thursday. the hearing topic according to the senate intel was russian federation efforts to interfere in the 2016 u.s. elections. it seems like everyone is interested in the private conversations and firing but the interference is taking
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backstage. >> that's what the committee is focused on that is the thrust of its investigation. but i don't think anybody believes that is what they are waiting to hear from james comey about on thursday. i do expect he'll face some questions about the interference in the election last year and some key points along that timeline, but obviously the focus is going to be on his interactions with the president. >> what's the first question you would ask him? >> i would think you would open with, did you regard this as obstruction? this interference that you encountered from president trump, what did you make of it? did you think it amounted to obstruction? and then, depending on his answer, you're going to ask him why he then handle it the way he did. >> those are good questions. michael, my first question -- maybe i'll go with greg's, give me your memos.
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give me your notes. >> absolutely. >> that's what i want to see, give me all your papers. >> as far as we know, the committee still doesn't have them. remember, these are memos in -- that are in the possession of the fbi. so, while the president can't invoke executive privilege over comey -- what comey testifies, he's a private citizen at this point, he can say whatever he wants. those memos are still the government's property, and he can hinder, he can prevent them from being released or he can facilitate them being released. so far, they have not been released and that is the most important piece of evidence you'd want to see in conjunction with comey's testimony. >> because they are supposedly contemporaneous, written a short time after meeting with the president. comey i suspect to say, i don't have those and i left those behind at the fbi, maybe and the fbi saying we're not turning them over because mueller told us not to. they haven't been subpoenaed,
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have they, by senate intel? >> they have not been subpoenaed yet but may have. we don't exactly know what comey has or doesn't. remember, this story only emerged, because somebody, an associate of comey, was quoted as reading a portion of one of the memos to the "new york times." that suggests comey had access -- >> to something. >> to at least something. there are so many more questions to lay out the entire context. all we know is one brief quote from one memo, to get the full extent of how this conversation began, what led up to that segment, what the president's tone was, all those are key questions comey will have to answer. >> greg, some of the stuff is going to be behind closed doors. in the morning is in the open. the afternoon is behind closed doors. i suppose that's where they would dig into the russian investigation, that would be my
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guess? >> yeah. all of those questions that he couldn't answer a couple months ago when he appeared before the house committee and revealed in fact the fbi has been investigating contacts between russian officials and associates of the trump campaign since last july, that's where he basically had to stop. i think in closed session he can go much much farther obviously identifying the trump associates, perhaps even identifying the russian officials and so much more. >> well, we'll be watching thursday. it will start bright and early. people will be standing in line, at least i know the media will be. ahead, is it just venting or something more? i'm talking about the president's insairbable appetite for twitter, lashing out at judges and now the mayor of london that got hit by terrorists. how should we take the president's tweeting? what the white house is saying today. next. ♪
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day 136, another very busy day for president trump. here it is in 60 seconds. the morning starting with presidential tweets. >> i am calling it what we need and it is what it is, a travel ban. >> several months ago, sean spicer said it wasn't a travel ban. >> this obsession of covering everything he says on twitter
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and very little of what he does as president. >> the president going after the mayor of london again. pathetic excuse by london major sadiq khan on his no reason to be alarmed statement. >> i don't have time to talk about tweets from the president of the united states of america. >> news on the russian investigation. >> the president will not assert executive privilege for the james comey testimony. >> it does put all eyes on james comey. back to a top secret nsa document provided by an an intercept provided anonymously. russia conducted a cyber attack just days before the presidential election. this is the most detailed government account of the russian interference has come to light. this coming days after russian
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president putin insisted his government had nothing to do with any hacking. with me, david, i bet the hillary clinton is really reeling tonight. >> i'm sure she is seething at this report. the most definitive report it looks like russia was involved. it's the most specific report and sort of flies in the face of the interview very laughing this off saying, you have no evidence. this will be another bullet point obviously in the hearing thursday with fbi director james comey. >> what's the overall impact of any of this? >> i think we will see the trump administration go after leakers. i think this will be a major theme of his presidency. we see him going after the media on every other occasion rhetorically. his justice department has the power to go after people providing otherwise secret and
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classified documents to media outlets. >> your thoughts on this, jenna? >> while they're focusing on leakers and going after the leakers we have yet another piece of evidence backing up what the intelligence community has been saying over and over again, russia was trying to interfere with this election in a number of different ways. again, questions about what role, if any, did the trump campaign have in that? >> the thing i think, david, what do we do? what does the nation do about the situation? i don't know how much more proof we need. president obama, after the election, i'm sure makes the clintons very angry, finally did impose sanctions. he had a reason not to do so beforehand. this i 20/20 hindsight as we look at this and he threw the diplomats out of the country and seized the two homes. what can we do now? the trump administration wants to reset this with russia and now, there's more and more proof they're up to their eyeballs.
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>> that's interesting on this hearing thursday, how much is forward-looking and how much is backward looking? how much is backward looking in the 2016 election, how did it happen and what are we doing right now to protect the 2018 elections, protect the elections in 2020, you had numerous election officials testify they will continue to do this and russia will try to further interfere in our elections and maybe get into our voting systems. that's the question americans are really unsure about. there doesn't seem to be an answer to this how we combat it. >> of course, it's not just us. you can be sure the russians are busy, they have their fingerprints all over other elections, french or british, if they're busy spending time to impact our election there are other places. >> yes. there is evidence across the world there are instances of interference. to dave's point what we will see on thursday is completely backward looking and completely
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a rehash what happened in 2016 and what happened with president trump and comey. i don't think we will get insight what the fbi will do in the future from comey. i think this will be a feeding frenzy. >> the unfairness of this all looking back with a twenty/20, not look back when it was happening it's easier to look back at them and i'm guilty of making those same criticisms myself. anyway the controversial tweets from president trump giving rise to new questions whether they're statements of policy, statements of personal preference or what? >> i think social media for the president is extremely important. it gives him the ability to speak directly to the people without the bias of the media filtering those types of communications. >> do the presidents' tweets matter or something the media gets obsessed with them? >> i think they matter that it
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gives him a communications tool that isn't filtered through media bias. i think the media obsesses over every period, dot. >> jenna, should the deputy white house secretary say they matter because they're not through media bias. it does help if you get the facts right in your tweets unfortunately the president put -- took out of context what the mayor of london said. >> yeah. the white house want to it have all ways when it comes to his tweets. on any given day they tout these tweets as being the equivalent of a media organization that can be trusted at the same rate as a media organization. then, when he tweets something not quite right, rather grammatical error or taking something out of context or something that could hurt his court case with the travel ban, they're distancing themselves calling it just a tweet, trying to take attention away from it. >> we all do this.
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playing with fire with twitter. >> we do. i'm not going to get into my own habits because i'm probably guilty of it, too. i'm quite animated on this. i think we should be taking these as statements of administration policy. this is the president making a comment. just because he does it on twitter does not mean it holds less water. this is a big deal. as reporters i think we should treat this as a big deal. >> i would take it one step forward if he wants to talk to us to avoid the so-called media bias, he could make a statement or avail yourself to a statement or 140 characters we will take you with it. >> he's free and there are no advisors and saying this is how we should craft this. this is pure trump. it is ridiculous for the white house to say, don't pay attention to that. >> they aren't even doing it so much? this is the problem, there's no cohesion to it, no strategy
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bill cosby's fight for his freedom, the sexual assault trial kicking off in pennsylvania, the 79-year-old arrived at court at 838 a.m. his wife, camilla was not with him. he was escorted by keisha pulliam who played rudy during "the cosby show." during the recess she spoke to the press. >> i pray for all parties involved. this isn't a great situation no
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matter what side of the coin you are on. >> what do you say to the women who claim they were raped by bill cosby. >> cosby is charged with drugging and molesting c andrea constin. cosby maintains that their sexual relations were consensual, saying he gave her two ben adrill to help her relax. over 50 allegations arranging from groping to sexual assault to rape. many accusers are claiming the superstar comedian drugged them. the judge allowed one other accuser to testify. if convicted, cosby could face up to ten years in prison. he has repeatedly denied all allegations of sexual misconduct and any wrongdoing. with me lawyers ted williams and katie fang. ted, first you. >> this is clearly a he say, she say kind of a case. we have andrea constead who
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waited at least a year to go to law enforcement. she's given inconsistent statements as to what took place. also, i got to tell you that cosby had a concert in canada after this assault, and constead was supposedly alleged to have brought her parents to this concert. according to the defense, there were 72 phone calls after this incident between cosby and constead, and that constead initiated at least 53 of those calls. >> it could have been 53 calls of why did you rape me. i have no idea. katie, what are your thoughts? >> there's going to be one other accuser that's allowed to testify against cosby. typically it's limited to just the accuser and just that one victim. as we all know as lawyers, 404-b evidence usually is not admitted but we saw how effective it could be in a case like the michael jackson trial where another accuser was allowed to testify in terms of the
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pedophilia that was committed against him. there was a 2005 civil lawsuit filed and bill cosby testified in a sworn deposition that he gave this woman quaaludes and he had digital penetration of this woman. so the rn is was it consensual, and if a jury finds that it wasn't, bill cosby will be spending literally the rest of his life behind bars. >> here's the problem i have with this prosecution. i don't know whether he did it or didn't. if he did it, he should pay the penalty and go to prison. but the thing that bothers me, i don't know -- if a jury knows that there are other allegations out there and if they say then in spite of that -- i don't buy that. i think if you know there are 50 other allegations of the same conduct, i don't know how anyone can possibly say, look, i can set that aside and judge only this one fairly. >> you have to be on mars not to know about these other allegations that are out there. >> and he's entitled to a fair trial, i don't care what he's
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accused of. >> i think the judge in this case is trying to give him that fair trial. they have jurors that they brought in from pittsburgh. >> d.c. is further away and i know about that. >> they brought them in from pittsburgh and they're sequestering this jury. >> ted, i don't believe they don't know about it. >> well, i'm sure that during voir dire they talked about it and they do, in fact, know about it. the question is can they put any prejudice against bill cosby aside. >> i think you can do one or two but when you've got all these numbers, i think it's very hard to look solely at the case before you. >> yeah, the parade of accusers is huge. i mean, if it was one or two, you're right. when you got 50 or 60, it's a lot, and i think it is disengine with us for anybody to say they are going to be able to put it aside. what does that mean? if you didn't know about the 50 -- >> the bottom line is, i don't care who you are, what you're
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charged with, you're entitled to a fair trial with a jury that can be fair and examine the evidence. that's the problem i have with this. it's hard not to think he's guilty with 50 accusers. who doesn't think that. in spite of that our job is to make sure he gets a fair trial. i'm taking the last word on that. thank you both. i'll probably get a lot of e-mail about that. we'll be right back with a star performance in manchester, england. ♪ ariana grande's beautiful show of love and grace for the world. more next. st anything. even a coupe soup. [woman] so beautiful. [man] beautiful just like you. [woman] oh, why thank you.
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i have something to say for the record. good for the people of manchester in the face of great adversity, terrorism. they showed strength and courage. think about it, only two weeks after the cruel terror attack at an ariana grande concert, the people of manchester defiant in the face of terror gathered for the one love manchester benefit concert hosted by grande, featuring a slew of superstar acts. >> thank you so much for coming together and being so loving and strong and unified. i love you guys so much and i think that the kind of love and
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unity that you're displaying is the medicine that the world really needs right now. ♪ >> manchester sing! ♪ >> a major kudos to ariana grande for returning to manchester. now the star visited young fans, victims of the attack in the hospital, and according to the british red cross, more than $3.5 million were donated during her benefit concert. this young star is a class act. even piers morgan who had previously bashd grande for heading home to florida right after the attack has a completely different impression of her. you really should read what he has written about this young woman. you can on read what he wrote. it's amazing.
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i'll see you tomorrow night at 6:00 p.m. eastern. here's a program note. this thursday we have special coverage of james comey's testimony. i'll be inside the hearing and live on capitol hill. follow me on twitter at gretta. check out that facebook page, behind the scenes video and much more. "hardball" with chris matthews starts right now. >> donald trump, the russians and carter page, this is "hardball." ♪ good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. this thursday the senate intelligence committee questions former fbi director james comey on what the president said to him about loyalty, about general michael flynn, and about whether the fbi was investigating the president. it's all about the russians and what they were up to in 2016 and what role, if any, donald trump's people may have played in encouraging them. as our guests tonig


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