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and now the vice president has hired a lawyer. mike pence has hired richard cullen, form u.s. attorney, colleague of james comey, who also happens to be godfather to one of the comey children. and there is this tonight from the "washington post," quote, special counsel is investigating jared kushner's business dealings. the report notes that kushner now joins a list that already includes michael flynn, paul manafort, and carter page. all of whom under scrutiny. mueller's team is also scrutinizing kushner's december meetings with two prominent russians, ambassador sergei kislyak, and a prominent and putin-connected russian banker the president up and at it early this morning on twitter this morning. 6:55 a.m., quote, they made up a phony collusion with the russian story. found zero proof, now they go for obstruction of justice on the phony story. nice. 62 minutes later, you are
witnessing the single greatest witch-hunt in american political history led by some very bad and conflicted people. make america great again. this afternoon, two more that reach backed to campaign and the clintons. timothy came out just before a story dropped in politico headlined white house aides upset over feds russia probe obsession. president has sometimes injected i'm not under investigation into conversations with associates and allies. he has watched hours of tv coverage every day, sometimes even storing morning news shows on his tivo to watch in a the evening and complain non-stop. it is a basically all he talks about on the phone said one adviser. about those reports earlier this week that the president was considering firing robert mueller. quote, he is totally in a box now, one friend said. and it might make him want to fire mueller more.
while we have have more on this later tonight was the gig congressional baseball game in washington. with steve scalise remaining in critical condition there was much talk about lowering the rhetoric, bipartisanship then this e-mail from the trump/pence team quoting in parts, all democrats have done is media to spew vicious rhetoric against the president. it goes on to borrow a phrase from nixon asserting that trump's followers are the silent majority. we also have breaking news tonight. let's first bring in tonight's starting panel. news and finance writer at yahoo news, briana goal riga. michael crowley and white house reporter for the associated press welcome to you all. and i hold in my hand the breaking news. this is a press release that came out in the last hour from
the justice department. and social media, where attention spans go to die is, losing its collective head. they are standing on a ledge with ts. this is the assoate attorney deputy attorney general, rod rosenstein. americans should exercise caution before accepting as true any stories attributed to anonymous officials particularly when they do not identify the country let alone the branch or agency of government with which the alleged sources are supposedly are affiliated. americans should be skeptical about anonymous allegations. the department of justice has a long-established policy to neither confirm nor deny such allegations. michael, you are going to get the first crack at this. again, the theorizing tonight on social media ranged from is this a cry for help by the number two guy at justice, or has doj been hacked?
>> well, it's an extraordinary statement, brian, it's kind of trumpian in its tone, which is not what you would expect from high levels of the justice department. very political. very combative. doesn't have that sort of lawyerly cool we associate with the justice department. and i would say in substance, brian, you know, this is a recurring theme that these stories that have anonymous or background quotes in enemy quoting officials sources should be treated skeptically. but in america's top news outlets, the record of these stories has been very, very good. americans should turn a skeptical eye to all the information they receive. but the "washington post" is a highly professional, credible news outlet. i just think this is kind of a weak attack to say that a story that is based on anonymous sources or background quotes is inherently not trustworthy,
likely to be wrong. the track record does not bear that out. time and time again the work of these papers that are breaking these big stories has been substantiated and is extremely credible. so i think it's a very odd statement on multiple levels. >> michael, you are right. and to underscore that, we have had your colleagues on from publications like the times, the post, in stories where they have quoted 20 to 30 source, sourcing by the dozen the likes of which we had never seen. obviously people should be cautious with anonymous sources. vivian, you cover this crowd. and michael went there. it sounded to a lot of people, the statement did, like it was somehow dictated. >> i mean there is no real way to tell if it was dictated or to not but there has definitely been a major pushback by the administration, rod rosenstein not being unique here in terms of trying to push back against
any of these stories that are making allegations against the administration. you know, anonymous sources are never ideal. it's not something that we choose to practice. we do it to protect source. my know my colleagues do, this i know i do it where we take extreme caution and only use anonymous sources when we obviously have to. and obviously we have to also raise the case that the white house also uses anonymous sources. >> sure. >> they choose to speak aanonymously very often and this is something we discuss with them very often, and we have to deal with as well where we have to quote white house first that don't want to go on record. they make an excellent point that anonymous sources should be scrutinized by the public that is true, but we use extreme caution and don't take out lightly. >> beiana, it questions the country the stories are coming from.
>> beyond reports here in the u.s., you start questioning countries. the only country that has been in question when it comes to spreading false news in the united states and all 17 intelligence agencies have said publicly that they believe russia spreads false information. it's ironic that this administration is sort of the last one standing has not come outs and definitively said the russians are behind the spreading of false information. now to use country as a sort of backdrop as a warning from rosenstein does raise a few eyrows to say the least. >> michael, the wording and tone, especially of today's twitter performance by the president, there is a siege mentality. we are hearing that and seeing that even from some surrogates. the -- one of the talking points has been to call this a witch-hunt. some victimization. some persecution. and that's -- that's becoming
increasingly prevalent in the last couple of days. >> yeah. you know, brian, i think if you are president trump there are two kind of tracks that this is happening on. there is the legal track and then there is the political track. it may be that the strategy he and the white house are pursuing is effective in speaking to his base and the feeling like he's got to hold that republican base together and make sure that members of congress continue to more or less defend him. they are not doing it with very much enthusiasm but basically republicans are on trump's side. and i think he recognizes that and is playing a political strategy of keeping the base together. that's part of it. it's not always consistent with the smart legal track. and i think that's what is upsetting white house aides and lawyers trying to help trump out who feel like he is not paying attention to the legal track.
if you look at the poll numbers, he is ten points above about george bush was when he was at rock bottom in the gallup poll. he is in the high 30s, maybe 40. so politicly maybe he is doing right. but finally, brian, you get a picture of a guy who is completely consumed by this. we had a story in politico. it is a stark contrast. bill clinton when he was going through impeachment did a good job keeping his cool and compartmentalizing and it looked like he was doing the business of the united states and it doesn't feel that way from this president right now. >> vivian, i want to quote from the politico piece that says aides fear the tweets have -- spurred countless leaks of damaging information, in the words of one. chief strategist steve bannon has told others that he believes the fbi is now out to get the trump administration.
vivian, we've seen bannon come in and out of favor. this now blames in, in a looking glass effect blames what the president is saying, a thread we've had before, for the leaks. >> that's right. steve bannon has come in and out of favor, as you said, as have a number of other aides. it seems to be this whole palace intrigue that we've seen play out since this administration has come to office. but there is something really important that we have to observe here. that is that a couple of weeks ago president trump gave his blessing into this russia investigation. he said i have nothing to hide. i have been told i'm not under investigation. and so i -- i welcome them to go ahead and see -- carry this investigation out, see whatever they find. then for him to backtrack and call it a witch-hunt and really lash out -- whether or not he is hiding anything. of course it's too early in the investigation to know, it doesn't look good. it makes it seem like he's getting paranoid.
you know, these very early morning tweets, you know, show that he is possibly alarmed and reacting in haste and emotionally reacting to what he is seeing. this is something that's going to be playing out for many, many months. possibly for years to come it is a long and bulky investigation. for president trump to have to kind of find his inner peace, his inner zen and go with this if he really, truly believes that there is nothing to hide and that this investigation will vindicate him as he said numerous times. >> beiana in an anonymously sourced piece last night we heard the first reference of money laundering. then we have the investigation into kushner's finances in the "washington post." kushner's attorney has responded tonight, quote, we do not know what this report refers to. it would be standard practice for the special counsel to examine financial records to look for anything related to russia. mr. kushner previously
volunteered to share with congress what he knows about russia related matters. he will do the same if he is contacted in connection with any other inquiry. this aspect, though, this tranche s where it gets very complex. >> this goes back to that questionable meeting between kushner and the ceo of the sanctioned bank, the eb along with the russian ambassador, why would kushner have met with these two men, why would he not disclose it. >> explain why that would be a big deal? >> because this is a sanctioned bank. he would have no legitimate reason for meeting with this banker, sanctioned by the obama administration. even more shocking is that he would have this meeting and not disclose it publicly. then when asked about it, the russian bank and jared kushner had two different answers and two different reasons for having meeting. kushner said it was about administrative decision possibly related to syria. the banker said no, this had to
deal with personal financial issues with the kushner family and their business. can't get a square answer out of the two of them. but of course the summation being why did we not know about this and and something about it just isn't kosher. >> and this is all happening while mueller hires experts in various fields, financial, legal, and so on. >> which raises the question about this statement coming from rod rosenstein tonight. why issue it tonight. it's coming on the backdrop of rod rosenstein being the one who can decide the fate of robert mueller. he said listen, it falls on me as to whether he stays. you see he said i see no reason to let him go. one has to wonder how much if any pressure he is feeling from the administration right now and why out of all nights to issue the statement tonight. >> thanks to our lead-off panel, thanks to, along with birthday wishes to beiana goal riga, michael crowley and vivian salmano. thank you.
>> that was a former watergate assistant prosecutor weighing in on just how tough it might be to represent this president in this investigation. we have two very capable lawyers with us here tonight in the studio to weigh in. richard painter, who was the chief ethics lawyer for the bush 43 white house. and mika owe yang is back with us as well an attorney and former staffer on the house intel and house armed services committee. counsellors, welcome to you. richard, to jill's point, is this the nightmare client? and in light the vp lawyering up, is this going to end up costing so many people some real money? >> oh, yes. this administration is creating a lot of jobs in one industry for sure, that's criminal defense attorneys in washington, d.c. a lot of people are lawyering up. there's -- this investigation is going to a lot of different areas. it started with russian interference in the election. and who was assisting the russians.
but there's now clear evidence of obstruction of justice by the president and perhaps others in the administration. this is going to be a very serious investigation. the problem is the president can't put his twitter away. he can't keep his mouth shut with respect to the investigation. he is president of the united states. he should be focusing on health care, on jobs, on the international crises around the world. let it alone. if he let the whole russia investigation alone, he probably wouldn't be anywhere near as much trouble as he's in now. so it's very unfortunate. he's becoming obsessed with it. now his son-in-law is wrapped up in it. the other thing is they won't be transparent about their finances. if the trump organization were to disclose where they are borrowing their money, the president were to disclose his tax returns, if we had more transparency there would be more confidence in this administration, but they won't do it.
they are buckling down, they are not disclosing what they need to disclose and they are calling it a witch-hunt. it's not a witch hunt. it is an attempt to find out who was assisting a foreign country in attacking the united states and our system of democracy. >> mika our colleague ari melber said today on the air, mr. president, today begins the first day of the rest of your life because starting today, if these reports are to be believed, and his morning tweet was kind of a tacit confirmation, he is under federal investigation. tell our audience what happens to your life no matter who you are when you come under the glare of a federal prosecutor. >> so when you are under a federal prosecutor's glare like this what happens is everything that you do is under scrutiny. they can get warrants to listen to your communications, they can look at all of your documents. politically it makes it very difficult to get any of your agenda done because no one wants
to work with you for fear of working with someone who is going to be under criminal investigation. it really makes his life very difficult. >> the wording of these tweets, not just tempting fate but almost trying to criminal ize robert mutualer. >> -- mueller. >> hess reputation for integrity and professionalism is unmatched on either side of the aisle. it is really a mistake to go at him this way. but it's really all that the president has left because you can't argue the facts with him. >> richard, if you're mike pence what worries you enough to hire a personal lawyer? how does this get splashed up against him? >> well it's absolutely critical for him to have a good personal lawyer, to talk with that lawyer about what he may have known about what was going on with respect to russia during the campaign. if he did know. we don't know what he knew at the time.
but also to get good advice, to distance himself from the president with respect to the president's tweets, the president's communications about this investigation. the president is making all of the wrong choices for someone who is under criminal investigation. and the vice president needs to steer clear of that and make absolutely sure he focuses on the agenda, he focuses on getting bills through congress and on policy issues and stays away from the russia investigation. no comment should be his approach to this investigation. that should be the approach of the president. >> yeah, deflect every time when asked. mick aire, as i said last night, deliberative is a word independent could of attached to robert mueller. he is dignified, and he's taciturn. he's earned his reputation over the years.
are you surprised that they are talking about bringing into mueller's office, admiral rogers, dni coats as early as next week? is that not faster than normal? >> i don't think so. this might not be the last time he talks to those individuals. but given their testimony before congress the other week it's important he actually speaks with them and find out what they know and what the president said to them. which they said they would cooperate with the special prosecutor's office. >> how do you sit down if you are mueller in mueller's office -- we have learned he is hiring all these expert attorneys, people who go from government to the private sector back to government with great ease but hiring these experts in their field. how do you limit the scope of your investigation? how do you diffy it up. >> i think you have to take it in different pieces. there is the piece during the campaign about the coordination with the russians and if that in fact occurred and looking at the campaign officials there. there is the question of what the russians did, the ways in which they did it, what their process is. that could be broader ranging the ways russia saw influence. and then the last piece is
the obstruction ever justice piece of, that encompasses trump's conversations with officials to try to get them to shut down parts of this. >> your colleague and mine, nicole wallace speaks about how tough you were and she had to prove she hadn't accepted a cup of coffee from anyone. if you were appointed, the off chance that you were appointed ethics lawyer in house in this white house what would you want to get done. >> a better relationship with the office of government ethics. i'm tired of hearing the white house bad-mouth the government of ethics. they work well with the bush administration as they did with the obama administration. and the white house needs to listen to experienced ethics lawyers about what the ethics laws required. i will want the president to divest himself of financial
holdings that create conflicts of interest, and stop taking payments from foreign governments. and i would want the president to stop talking about the russia investigation and let bob mueller do his job. this is not a witch-hunt. this is about the security of our country, protecting our country from foreign interference in our elections. it's not a partisan issue. it is a republican and democrat issue. the president has a lot of work to do and that's what he should be focusing on. that's what i would like to see out of this white house. >> next time i see you i'll ask what you would do on your second day on the job thanks to two wonderful attorneys joining us here. richard painter and mika owe yang. coming up, the trump tweets and the danger they may pose, when the 11th hour continues. k s healthy enough for sex.
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welcome back to "the 11th hour." it's been 220 days since election night. but the president is trying to use his 2016 election foe to get out from under the scandal that has plagued his presidency thus far. president trump wrote on twitter just today, why is it that hillary clinton's family and dems dealing with russians are not looked at but my non-dealings are. and crooked h destroyed phones with a hammer bleached e-mails and had her husband meet with
the attorney general days before she was cleared and they talk about obstruction? joining our conversation, routers correspondent jeff mason. we welcome him to the broadcast. pulitzer prize winning columnist for the "washington post," eugene robinson and washington columnist for the boston globe, indira. welcome to you all. jeff i'll begin with you. relitigating what happened 220 days ago, the amateur psychiatrists which we have all been forced to become. we've all kind of decided this is a man who needs an opponent. >> well, i'm certainly not an amateur psychologist ms. >> give it a whirl. >> i guess white house correspondents like myself and my colleagues certainly have gotten used to tweets like this. and i think you are right in terms of the fact that or the idea that he needs an opponent. he likes to continue to talk
about hillary clinton. he likes to frame his situation in contrast to or in relationship to her. i think it's worth noting in the context this story as well that secretary clinton has said go ahead, tweet about me, if that keeps you from tweeting about other things like foreign policy. >> eugene, let's just say this is not quite the way fdr did it. i have a graphic and i'm going to read a list of some of the people he has called out by name on twitter since becoming president. blumenthal, clinton, clinton, comey, cuban, graham, jordan, khan, labrador, manning, mccain, medos, obama, rice, schumer, schwarzenegger, yes, sir, the democrats. i left off donor and blitzen. eugene it is a way of operating. >> it is a way of operating. maybe he thinks he is going what
fdr did. maybe he thinks twitter is his version of fireside chat i guess and his way of connecting with the public. you know, the problem is of course that these tweets, and really, they are statements by the president of the united states that have to be read, that have to be on some level taken seriously even if they are not serious. they keep getting him deeper into trouble. he tweeted out of existence his travel ban basically by blowing the cover story and saying that, actually it's a travel ban. and i don't think he is ever going the get it back. and that's the example of the kind of thing you can do. but the stakes are much higher now for him personally because he's under -- he's under investigation by robert mueller and the fbi. and as he continues these tweets, these obsessive tweets, he can get himself into much more trouble than he's in now.
>> indira, maggie haberman at the "new york times" today took the president's most over the top tweet about hillary clinton and just added the words, comfort level tweet, and everyone kind of got what she was talking about. >> of course it's his confident level. in fact a lot of that language about the so-called bleaching of the e-mails and using a hammer on the telephones was actually recycled word for word from one of his campaign speeches back in september. >> i remember, yeah. >> right. so this is his comfort zone. he needs an enemy. he seemed like he was happiest on the campaign trail. we know that in the 220 days since he was elected president, we keep hearing about the size of his inaugural crowds, the size of his electoral college win, there are framed electoral maps that have been seen carried into the white house, he handed out to reporters, copies of his electoral map victory. he is obsessed with this. it's also part his deflection strategy. if somebody is going to point the finger at you this is a good
way to say no don't look at me, look at her, look at somebody else. i think the problem with this, and this is where the whole conversation began, is this twitter habit that he has going to get him in trouble is even if there wasn't collusion with russia in the first place, let's leave that aside, for the investigators to figure out. the appearance of a cover up, appearance of obstruction of justice, saying can't you please seem to let it go, with michael flynn, and then firing the fbi director over this, that's what has now got him in trouble with this obstruction of justice investigation, which he otherwise wouldn't have had had he not gotten himself in trouble. it is not a witch hunt. it is a self-inflicted wound where the witch says hello i am a witch, hunt me. as that's a little bit different. >> jeff in addition to psychiatry, we also need to know mathematics.
chris matthews says he takes the bottom number in the polls and defines it as the current size of the trump base which is after all, the sample audience for the outflow of tweets. can you concur it's migrating between 36, 38, something like that? >> i would definitely say the tweets are aimed very much at that base. i think chris is certainly right if that's what he said. and i think that president trump and many of his closest advisors are really focusing on that. and that said, though, i think there are also others in the white house who would be very happy to see him put his phone away and not distract from some of the issues they are trying to focus on, infrastructure, health care, on some of the policy issues that are not sort of tied up in this russia investigation that even when he is complaining about it, he seems to bring attention back to it because of his twitter habit. >> eugene, some serious people tonight looked at that
rosenstein statement and thought the fix was in, thought it might be a hoax of some sort. >> it's really kind of bizarre. the really sort of off key part of that tweet is not knowing what country the officials are from. >> yeah. >> you know, as if we are writing about rwandan officials or something like that or using them as anonymous sources about the white house. that was kind of odd. i don't quite know what to make of it, frankly. it is vaguely trumpian. it came from rosenstein, would rosenstein put out a statement at the direction the white house or at the direction of the president? who knows? i'm -- it's rank speculation because i really have no idea what that was supposed to mean. >> i wondered if when he was talking about the country, if he is referring to not saying u.s. officials in front of -- or u.s.
official in frontan an anonymous source. and i think it's really interesting and this point has been made before that this administration is talking about anonymous sources and casting doubt on anonymous sources when it is a tool that they use repeatedly at the white house and elsewhere in the administration when speaking to reporters. >> and with a government communication, frankly, we shouldn't be forced to wonder what the reference to country is in a department of justice statement. it should be clearer, i think. indira, finally, some people kind of ascribed a last-ditch nature to the president's tweets today. they were really aggressive. and we're nowhere near that point. we are under 150 days. >> there's nothing last-ditch about this. this is like you know we've got many, many more ditches to go through, folk. buckle up, this is not your last-ditch. believe me. but i mean i think that the thing about these tweets is when he says -- he points a finger at bill clinton and says he
shouldn't have met with loretta lynch, the former attorney general. okay, maybe he has a point. except the problem is trump completely lacks self awareness here. he's president now. when he points that out he's maybe not remembering that he's the president and he met with the fbi director and said please don't pay attention to, or let go away the probe you have into my, you know, my national security adviser. when he is pointing a finger at bill clinton that same finger turns around and points at himself. when he says why are you not investigating hillary clinton for her ties and collusions with russia, every is scratching their heads and reminds them of john mccain in the hearing with jim comey last week when everyone was wondering what was mccain talking about when he was saying why are you not investigate hillary clinton. i don't think anyone suspects s hillary clinton's campaign collude ed to hack democrats e-mails to
make the democrats look bad and make hillary clinton look bad. that's not real. >> it is a too long a walk. it's a little bit too far out there of a conspiracy for anybody. >> great thanks tonight to three premiere journalists, we so appreciate you coming on. thank you so much. when we come back, what will happen within the gop as the days go by? that and more when we continue. ,
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i think the best advice would be to let robert mueller do his job. >> is mueller's job a witch-hunt? >> i don't view it that way. >> he's going to stay there, he's going to get his job done, and he's got the support of republicans and democrats to get to the bottom of this. >> a sampling there of a few of the republicans who expressed support for special counsel robert mueller, the widely respected lawyer, decorated combat veteran in vietnam, a man
who was the second-longest serving fbi director after j. edgar hoover. but we've also seen an effort to discredit mueller led by president trump in fact who calls the probe a witch-hunt that is led by bad conflicted people. a complete 360 from just last month he called him a superb choice. and conservative media piling on raising the the question will the russia probe divide the republican party? willw us on the, two former members of congress both of whom are in recovery still, haroldford jr. from tennessee and jared jolly. congressman jolly, you are the republican, you get the first question. that is, is support of mueller going to be an increasingly visible dividing line in the republican party?
and when do you expect to see some movement, some migration? >> i think it will be a dividing line with the base. right? the base is going to follow this president. they love the president because he is a fighter not because of his policy chops. and when gingrich and others kind of lose their credibility over this issue it will still work with the base. but the hill is a very different question. if the president were to do something that led to the dismissal of mueller i think you would say republicans on the hill begin to break. don't overlook what happened with rosenstein. the hill is staying there with trump until something gets too weird. that could be firing mueller but it could be this rosenstein statement. this may be -- this is a guy that screams of keeping his job. this is a guy who admitted to the senate he wrote the memo to justify a decision the president already made to fire comey. is he now carrying water for the president depend? we'll find out. maybe it is just a message to his employees, but something
with the president will lead to the hill republicans breaking even though his base stays with him. >> formerly congressman harold ford. it was a weird statement from rod rosenstein. >> a few of us thought is this real? that's how bad rod rosenstein's statement was. >> think about where we've come from, you had a president who had his vice president, deputy attorney general and attorney general all go out and say we fired him because of performance issues, sluggish morale. director comey, excuse me. sluggish morale. he handled the hillary clinton matter in a way we thought was just reached a level that was cause for him to be dismissed. then the president comes out on nbc news two days later and says look i fired him because of russia. right. >> and then you have three officials, a former deputy director, who is now under questioning regarding their conversations with the president and perhaps a memo that was written. this to see rosenstein's comments this evening, it is all
very, very strange. i think david summed it up very well, the difference in the contrast between the base and those in the house. but you have to wonder at some point when one of the fellows who wanted marco rubio, and some folks who believe they have a big future in this party, when do they begin to split and say this moment is bigger than our base and bigger than that this president? i happen to think it could be sooner rather than later. >> david jolly, i asked everybody on the broadcast pretty much to talk about what you know about the prison yard spotlight that shines on you when you are the subject of a federal investigation. >> in the case of someone with an eggshell ego like this president that is where ultimately i believe we could see the unraveling of his presidency, his inability to handle that spotlight, handle that scrutiny. listen, there have been a lot of questions of members this administration of and we have looked at rosenstein very fairly recently because he appointed the special counsel.
somehow we assign this fairness to him. but there's a question for rosenstein tomorrow from every senator like rubio and burr and others which is, were you directed to issue that same? that's a fair question of rosenstein right now. and it would reflect a president who is unable to handle that scrutiny and that spotlight. >> two things, to build on david's point. first i thought one of the most interesting things during the sessions hearing the other day was when mark warner asked the attorney general have you had any conversations with the president about pardons? he said, i can't answer that questions. that's a privileged conversation. that was a unique privilege that he asserted. we'll see when he sends the stuff written over to the president. to david's point about sort of where we are and what the step of the attorney general a lot of us believe this guy is above reproach. remember, he notified the president just seconds before he made the appointment of mueller. for this to happen and the way it's talking and rosenstein is talking right now we could fine
ourselves having a big development in this case, whether the base supports it or not we could see changes in the way republicans in washington view this president. >> i refuse to believe this thing moves any faster than it has been moving. speaking of which, the panel will stick with us through one more break. we'll continue our discussion right after this.
welcome back to the 11th hour. still with us two former members of congress. democrat harold ford here in new york. republican david jolly in tampa. david, not that you can speak for all republicans but this effort at a new health care bill happening in virtual silence and secret in the senate. here is the question. what about what you guys call deliverables? what are especially republican members of congress going to go home at the july 4th break and say to the folks look what i brought you? >> obamacare created winners and losers. for some it made health care more accessible and more affordable and others increased costs.
they had to change doctors. the winners won more than the losers lost. i don't think republicans have realized that. you have a lot of republicans who came in in 2010 under a repeal plan. now obamacare is more embraced and voting in 2017 like it is 2013. the opportunity for somebody to lead right now and i think it could come from the democrat is to offer a real plan. democrats saying we are happy to work together with republicans, offer something that acknowledges reduction and care and increased prices because that is what the american people want. the secret deliberations are going to come back and hit republicans in the face. it's not going to work. >> i have seen you be brilliant for 30 seconds harold ford. here is the question. what does it mean that the vice president has lawyered up? >> his lawyer will be a part of the pence team if something bad happens to the president. all questions back to what nicole wallace says. back to michael flynn.
michael flynn was the reason pence had reservations and could be flynn that could undo this presidency and push pence and lawyer and campaign team into the white house. it will be very interesting to watch. >> our thanks to former congressman ford and thanks to former congressman jolly. we will take one last break. up next the ball game that was much more than a ball game tonight in washington. we are back right after this. when it's time to move to underwear
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last thing before we tonight. 56th annual congressional baseball game went on as planned at nationals park in d.c. with the largest attendance in the game's storied history. almost 25,000 people bought tickets raising $1.5 million for charity. that's a great thing. an emotional surprise for the crowd at the start of the evening as the first pitch was thrown out by capitol hill police officer david bailey who was wounded in that shootout just yesterday. and while the game was in a major league park, the baseball was, shall we say, congressional quality. the democrats won 11-2 led by the man widely considered the best player on either team, louisiana democrat cedric richmond who played for morehouse in college.
pitched the distance tonight. he has been 5-1 as starting pitcher despite shoulder surgery a couple years back. on the field an emotional and bipartisan night to be sure. >> in washington we have our disagreements but we all agree that we are here to serve this nation we love and the people who call it home. ♪ god bless america ♪ land that i love ♪ stand beside her and guide her ♪ through the night with the light from above. ♪ from the mountains to the prairies, to the oceans white with foam ♪ god bless america my home sweet home ♪
♪ god bless america my home sweet home ♪ >> ladies and gentlemen, let's play ball. >> in the history of this congressional game, first played in 1909 there have been some years without a game. the democrats now lead this overall series 40 games to 39 with one tie. that is our broadcast on a thursday night. thank you so much for being here with us. good night from new york. >> ton on all in. >> i said if it's possible would you let me know, am i under investigation? >> president trump is under investigation. >> first of all when you're
under investigation you are giving all sorts of documents and everything. >> and now he is attacking the investigator. >> you are witnessing the single greatest witch hunt in american political history led by some very bad and president still considering firing the special counsel? plus, new details on where the investigation is going and why potential money laundering is part of the picture. then, democrats continue to turn up the heat as the secret health care bill move as long. >> the president has called trumpcare bill from the house mean and a son of a b. do you agree with the president that the house bill was mean and a son of a b? >> and we'll go inside the ballpark as republicans and democrats come together when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. this is the scene at nationals park in