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the party in a different way. in a legislative way. >> right now my money is on that she stays. we'll see. thank you for watching. i'll see you back here tomorrow. check out my facebook page for behind the scenes videos and much more. "hardball" starts right now. for the republican health care plan, now you see it. for president trump's white house tapes, now you don't. let's play "hardball." >> in for chris matthews tonight, it is finally here. mitch mcconnell today unveiling that secretly crafted republican plan to repeal and replace obamacare. also today, president trump announcing that he did not secretly record conversations with james comey. for weeks, of course, the president has teased about the
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possibility that it did exist. the original tweet was read by as many as as warning shot. and trump has repeatedly over the last few weeks refused to clarify. now he says he doesn't have any tapes. we'll have much more on that in just a moment. we begin with the big news. the newest development on health care. for president trump, this was a campaign promise months in the making. >> real change begins with immediately, immediately repealing and replacing obamacare. >> don't forget, obamacare. thousands and thousands of pages, and in congress, i think they said nobody even read it. that's why, look, it was a disaster anyway, whether they read it or not. >> we will resale and replace the horror known as obamacare. >> for the republican party, that goal of dismantling
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president obama's signature cheemt was years, seven years in the making. >> every day are as obamacare is being implemented, americans are reminded of what happens when you have big legislation, a ram-through of congress with minimum support. >> i'll do everything i can to repeal and replace obamacare. >> we need to repeal and replace obamacare a better system. >> it appears the bill introduced in the senate today by republicans may be more of a reworking of obamacare. rather than a complete wholesale repeal and replacement. "wall street journal" outlining what it does saying the plan operates like the 2010 affordable care act in reverse. instead of raising taxes to pay for expanded insurance coverage, it reduces coverage and cuts taxes. so what exactly does the 142-page bill known as the better care reconciliation act actually propose to do? well, it would phase out obamacare's medicaid expansion.
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that covers millions of low income americans. i would include additional cuts to the medicaid program. those would be phased in more deeply in years to come. also, the bill would provide smaller subsidies for less generous plans. it would repeal the individual mandate that forces healthy people to buy health care. and it would cut taxes for the wealthy. it would defund planned parenthood for one year. almost immediately after the draft posted today, 43 disabled health care protesters were arrested outside the office of senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. they're opposing the legislation. and on the senate floor, democrats were just as vocal today. the president said the senate bill needed heart. the way they cut this is heartless. the president said the house bill was mean. the senate bill may be meaner. >> this is a continuation on the war on medicaid.
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>> these cuts are blood money. people will die. >> from the republican side so far, the response has been muted and even in some cases, critical. in fact, republican senators rand paul, ted cruz, mike lee and johnson came out against it in its current form. >> i just didn't run on obamacare light. >> it is not enough just to pass a bill that has obamacare repeal in the title. >> i need a lot more information. >> i'll joinlds by kasie hunt. eugene robinson, with the "washington post" and political analy analyst, david, executive director of go pac, and a democrat from california. thanks to all of you for joining us. >> kasie hunt, let me start with you. he said he would like to get to yes. you're hearing objections from conservatives on the republican
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side in the senate who are saying, this doesn't dismantle it enough. you're hearing concerns from moderates in terms of the three republican votes that would actually sink this thing. where is the biggest threat to this? is it on the right or the left? >> look, steve, i think that the outlines of the bill that we saw today give you a sense that the republican leadership at least believes there's more of a threat right now from the right. and the fact that they're out here trying to push it farther to the right does not necessarily bode well for them getting to 50 votes. to a certain extent, it is a similar dynamic in the house. the conservatives seem to be more willing to jump off the deep end than moderates who do want to try to govern to. try to retain their majority. a little bit of a different attitude. i think there's real risk. the people i've talked to today have said, look, we don't know whether or not there will be 50 votes at the end of the day. they said look, if they push this farther, i'll going to have
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to fight back against this. i do think, steve, rand paul is perceived to be a hard no. potentially ungettable. i think the person on the other side, on the moderate side, that they would like to be able to let go here is dean heller, the senator from nevada. he has the toughest senate reflect 2018. if leaders could tell him, fine, vote no on this health care bill, that would be helpful for him. but it is not clear if they want to give him that pass. >> the only senator next to a state that hillary clinton won. okay. on the conservative side of this, let me go to you on this. how republican cosmetic sell this to the american people. you heard democrats taken to the floor one after the other to denounce this today. you didn't have much of a full throat endorsement from the republicans. let me ask you the bottom line. we don't have a cbo score on
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this senate bill. we know on the house bill, the estimate was 14 million people currently covered after a year of implementation under this republican plan, would not be covered. democrats are saying republicans are taking health insurance away from millions of people. the cbo says that's basically correct. what would the republican response be. >> steve, a senator saying, i'll not quite there yet is senate speak for i have an idea that wants to be considered. never in the history of the u.s. senate has a piece of legislation had all 100 senators sit down and write it. so this is the beginning stage. public there's put ideas in here. i'll tell hue it is equally important to put ideas in here, these nine or 11 senate that sit in states that donald trump won. it is more for the u.s. senate than the house. the democrats don't have enough progressives in states for them to win re-election.
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>> david -- i get the tactic. you're trying to put the pressure on democrats right now. we'll get to that. we'll address the point you're trying to make. the polling that's available, certainly the one that passed the house is not popular with the american people. we just have our new nbc news "wall street journal" poll that shows democrats opening up their widest advantage on the issue of health care since before the implementation of the affordable care act. a 17-point advantage. i'm asking you, democrats are saying you are forcing millions of americans to give up, to surrender their health insurance with your bill. is it, yes, millions will give up coverage? is it no? >> let me help you. millions of americans are losing their health care right now. are you watching the news
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reports? indiana, obamacare, out. ohio, people lose go their health care. state after state, iowa, out, obamacare out, people are lose go their health care, people are losing their health care coverage right now. we need to move to a system that gets rid of the absurd taxes that were put on the health care system. we need to bring more free market ideas in so health care insurance companies come in and offer better plans that people want. make people get coverage they don't want. that's where the bill starts. when the final bill that passes the senate lirgts have some tweaks and our senators will put some ideas in? absolutely. it is called the legislative process and today started that process. >> all right. democratic congressman, you heard him. it sounds like the republican argument is yeah, the cbo says people will lose their coverage or give up the coverage on the republican plan. it is better than obamacare.
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it won't even exist. he is making the death spiral argument. >> i don't think he will ever, i don't think he's been a doctor. i'm a doctor by training. the affordable care act has add 20 million people to the roles of the insured. the cbo house bill says 23 million people will lose coverage so it takes us backwards. i don't think he's been a legislator either. this is about solving problems and people coming together. at the end of the day, it is the kitchen table conversations. this is political suicide for republicans. >> what should the strategy be here for democrats in the senate? it looks like the battle on the senate floor is going to start with these amendments. this issue of plabld parenthood. they put the one-year defending in there. it sounds like susan collins may introduce an amendment that says let's strip it out.
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should they boycott the process? >> well, if you have a chance to put planned parenthood funding back in there, go for it. it is a vital health care provider for women. and low income individuals. if you have a chance to add coverage for medicaid, put it back in there. i think democrats should play an active role in it. >> eugene robinson, politics we're talking about in terms of the american people. democrats with a 17-point advantage on this issue. i took a look at the long history of the polling and it is striking. in the 90s, bill clinton, hillary clinton tried to do health care. the democrats' advantage on the issue shank as they tried to push it through. obama touched it. it shrank again. now republicans are tufg and it slid they're falling apart on the issue here. it seems like there is a lesson here. if you tinker with health care at all, the politics won't be
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good for you. >> if you own the health care issue, you're in danger. it is bad for you. when you own the health care issue, when you've put your name on it. you get credit for everything that goes wrong. i had employer insurance. i wasn't affected. i probably won't be affected. my premiums go up because that's what they do. i'll be angry. and who do i train my anger at? at the republicans. if this were to pass, if this actually passes and i'm not sure that it will, democrats have a pretty easy target. repeal and replace. repeal the american health care act or whatever the senate is calling it. and replace it for something that was working for 23 million people. >> is there a political argument
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that it would be better if it doesn't get through the senate or, it has to go through the house again? they have to reconcile it. given how fraught the republicans are, we tried. we couldn't get it through and try to move on to something else? >> first, the congressman and i have never met so i won't take his attacks personally. but i will say that i don't live in a bubble of progressives that have them continuing to not want to address what real issues impact the last couple years in the health care system. we have a terrible doctor shortage in this country. we're not doing the innovation that we need. we're not up to speed on that. we're not dealing with junk lawsuits. all things that congress during the time the congressman and his team had the majority, did nothing to fix. so that's the biggest problem for republicans. if we pass a bill that moves us to giving people more choices,
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keeps taxes lower, and gets more people becoming doctors, more people having access, we'll be rewarded and all the dark clouds that everybody wants to say raining down, it's terrible. republicans will be more victorious in 2018. i wonder if republicans in georgia are making that same political congratulations. we'll see. thank you all for joining us. we'll take a quick break. coming up, we have a jam packed show. we have much more from that big poll. lots of surprising new numbers about president trump. his standing right now. this as his party pushes ahead with their health care effort. something the public is telling us in the poll that they don't like. plus, it looks like we won't be getting any tapes with the
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president and the former fbi director james comey. today the president said no, there are no tapes. and a real debate among democrats. the question, is it time for nancy pelosi, the leader in the house, to go? we'll get into that. finally, the trump show was back on full display in iowa for the president to feed his base some red meat. okay. got it. rumor confirmed. they're playing.
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surprising findings. what jumped out at me looking at this poll, and i want to take you through it. start with this. was donald trump's approval rating? well, 40%. historically you would say a president, june, his first year in office. down to 40%. that's a disaster. that's historically how we would look at this. the question though, maybe a little more complicated with trump. 40% approval rating right now. take a look back during the campaign. this was election day last year. this was gallup. favorable, unfavorable view. remember this? his favorable was 35% on election day. just 35% had a favorable view of him. we were looking at that number and we were saying disaster, toxic, land slide material. cannot win the white house with that number. i don't need to tell you, donald trump won the white house. just barely. but he did win the white house. so is there maybe more support beneath the numbers than it
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appears? that's one thing to keep in mind. during the campaign. remember donald trump's support, at its worst, he hit 36%. at his best in the polls, he hit 43%. that was the range. 36% to 43%. of course he got had 43% on election day. look at his range. does this look familiar? this is same graph. his low point is 35. his high point is 45. his approval rating as president is he operating in the exact same range that donald trump was as a candidate last year. as his support was as a candidate. it's like we never took a break from the election. so we look at him as president. you have to think this is something he might be thinking about when people say the approval rating is so low. 200 make changes. he might be thinking back and some republicans who doubted him who might be thinking back, we were seeing the same numbers then and we thought it was a
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disaster. it complicates how to think about the poll numbers. this question of, is he competent? incompetent? 45% say competent. 55% say incompetent. but with barack obama, wasn't that. difference. 50% competent, 50% incompetent when nbc news surveyed this question a few years ago. then you ask this question, all the noise you're hearing about trump, chaos, crisis, what does it reflect is 42% say it reflects the establishment fighting him. 50% say it reflects the lack of experience and competence. when you ask, what is the establishment? traditional politicians and the news media. so you can see there, there are a lot of people. certainly a lot of people with a very negative view of trump. people take all the noise you're hearing about, crisis and chaos, and say that's the sound of a
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president trump today ended the suspense that he himself generated about possible tapes of private conversations with now former fbi director james comey. trump tweeting out with all the recently reported electronic vailss, enter septs, unmasking and illegal leaking of information. i have no idea whether there are tapes or rodding with james comey but i did not make and do not have such recordings. if that was a threat of some
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sort, it may not have worked. in his testimony this month, the fired fbi director told the investigators, i hope there are tapes. next day president trump addressed the possibility of tapes. take a look. >> do times exist of your conversations with him? >> i'll tell you about that maybe style in the very near future. >> you seem to be hinting that thorough over. >> i'm not behinding. i'll tell you about it over a short period of time. over a short period of time. >> the news tonight, president trump says there are no tapes. so why the weeks long tease? ken delaney joins me, the reporter for bloomberg news, and clint watts, fbi special agent and nbc national security analyst. do we have any sense here from the white house? donald trump puts this out on twitter. before james comey has that much anticipated testimony. was this a strategic calculation on donald trump's part? was he trying to deliver some
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kind of message to comey to affect his testimony or was this just trump popping off? >> i think almost every tweet is just trump being trump. one of my colleagues, till o'brian, had been are threatened by trump before saying there were tapes. when it got to the time and the case was in court, there were no tapes. one of my colleagues talked on someone familiar with the situation who said that it was trump trying to send a message directly to comey to be honest before you start leaking things. be careful what you say. so whether it was a threat or intimidation, i don't know. but it was certainly a way to send a message to comey, rattle him a little bit. >> do you have a sense talking to folks at the white house, do they think it achieved that goal?
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do they think that comey got message? that it affected his testimony somehow? >> i think there's a sense that it did. that it was effective. maybe that's them trying to defend the president and this sort of shooting from the hip type tweet. but yeah. they feel like the testimony was a victory for them. the fact that he said he wasn't under investigation. and he didn't really drop any big land mines that they weren't expecting. >> do we have a sense, folks around james comey, do we have a sense of how he's interpreted all this? what he thinks trump was trying to achieve? >> he said that trump's tweet about the tapes led him to think about the memos that he wrote. and hand them over to his friend at clul university, who then leaked they will to the news media. so we had weeks of stories where make it would have been one day about these conversations and the pressure that trump allegedly put on comey is that
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how he made him -- i can't imagine the white house thinks it was a good thing. the way i looked at it, i think newt gingrich said it well today. he said that trump was trying to bluff kl and he has a history of doing it. he said he had dramatic revelation about barack obama's birth place in 2011 and there was nothing there. during campaign he said he had a secret plan to expedite victory over isis. there is no such secret plan. he is following barack obama's plan. do you know this as a real estate tycoon in new york but it is difficult as a politician. you have to go back to the same people who called your bluff and try again. foreign leaders are watching and wondering whether they can take the president of the united states at his word and today we learned, you the can't. >> the back drop for all this is that investigation of russia, of meddling in the 2016 election.
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and the investigation now playing out today. trump adviser kellyanne conway said the democrats in the media had become obsessed with this. >> the media and the democrats have this russian concussion. and they've lost like muscle memory to be able to function in any other way to talk about anything he's doing. that doesn't mean people don't see it. people aren't talking about russia. you have the democrats talking about russia. you have donald trump and the americans talking about america. >> he wrote, if russia was working so hard in the 2016 election, it all took place during the obama administration. why didn't they stop they will? why did the democratic national committee turn down the dhs offer to protect against hacks? it's all a big dem hoax. it is an excuse for losing the election.
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yesterday, the democratic senator chris murphy said the russia issue has become a distraction for his party. he said they don't talk about russia. that they care about the economy. >> the fact that we have spent so much time talking about russia has been a distraction from what should be the clear contrast between democrats and the trump agenda which is on economics. >> a couple things to talk about. let me start with you and the content of these tweets from trump today. he is raising one of the questions he's making is, hey, this happened. this played out. when barack obama was president of the united states. i do know there's been plenty of reporting from hillary clinton's orbit that she was a little frustrated during the campaign. she found out after the campaign the extent of the knowledge that existed in the administration. and feeling and wondering about, why didn't publicly the administration say more? do we know the reasoning there? >> i think part of it comes down
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to trump. if you remember, trump was aparting, saying the election is big, that it is full of voter fraud and they were doing in it 21 different states which creates the ill pollution there was the, the illusion of fraud. so they said we've seen the hacking going on. so trump is playing it both ways. i think there was a two-part failure of intelligence. one was the intelligence community failed to anticipate what they were seeing overseas, russia meddled. we saw that it would come to our shores. the other is drove influence. so we were investigating as one off braexs. no one was putting in the piece until it was much too late. that it was used to drive and influence the election in the campaign. i don't think they knew it was
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happening until it was too late. how will you intervene without meddling in the election. >> an interesting dilemma here. that would put the administration in. >> let me pose to you the other question. watching donald trump do this, is there a strategy to the tweets? i have heard some democrats starting t starting to raise the question. is this russian issue that animates our base? that our base is following every little development in? in terms of new voters, maybe it is not russia. maybe it is something else. is there strategy, like briar rabbit thing putting hit on twitter? is there a strategy? >> there could be. i do know that this russia investigation does really get to trump. it is really a weight on him.
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something that grinds at him. and the feel that there's this cloud hanging over his presidency. that he is only there because of russia. so i can that this is something that does bother him. people close to him have told me. but everyone keeps saying, it is distracting from talking about the domestic agenda. it is not like an amazing agenda. do you want to talk about the health care bill? the cbo score with people losing coverage? the tax plan, they're not any closer today than months ago. so maybe it is distracting from bigger things like herring. >> we're getting word on the south lawn, they're holding the annual picnic. there's president speaking. let's will listen in. >> many of you know the last weeks and months and developed many friendships with politicians, can you believe it? and some really great people, i have to say. mostly. a couple bad ones but that's
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okay. we're honored to host you at the white house. and privilege to count you as our close friends. tonight our thoughts and prayers remain with one friend who is not here. a man that we have all come to know and respect and to love. congressman steve scalise. the outpouring of support for steve and his family has been inspiring. we are so touch that had joining us here this evening are steve and jennifer's he children, harrison and madison. beautiful children. we just came from a tour of the white house. this came from a beautiful tour of the white house. they got the "a" tour. sometimes we give the "b," the
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"c," the "d," the "f" tour is like let's get out of here. we gave them the "a" tour. i want them to know the whole country is praying for their courageous dad. and all of us are praying for them. it has been amazing. the recovery is going now well for two days. i was saying it is really tough. but today i can report, things are looking very, very good. we're very happy about that. i also want to give a special thanks to agents griner and bailey of the capitol police. lucky they were there. for their life saving actions and all the members of congress. a lot of brave people in congress who acted in those moments of danger and protected each other. they cared for the wounded.
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they shielded the vulnerable. and they really did put their own safe aside. so they're very, very brave. we would have never found out about them except we got to see them in action so now we know for sure. we want to thank them. there was a great deal of bravery on behalf of everybody. and you know, agents griner and bailey, they came rushing in from the outfield. somebody with a rifle and they had handguns. that's not a good deal. but one of those bullets struck at the right place that was really incredible. important would have been a far worse morning. believe me. so we want to thank them. america is also filled with pride over the display of character and sportsmanship over
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the congressional baseball game. i heard it was very special. i wanted to go there but our folks from secret service wanted to go so badly. but i had to pass. i wanted to take some time with steve. >> back here in new york, that's president trump are at the south lawn of the white house. the annual congressional picnic. members of both parties there for a traditional event. that event continues in washington. we have turn our attention to the democrats in the house of representatives. nancy pelosi is feel some heat today as democrats play the blame game in the election in georgia after losing four special elections this year, there are democrats calling on pelosi who has been the leader in the house for 15 years now to step aside.
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>> you see these commercials that tie the candidates to leader pelosi. you have to beat the republican and carry this very toxic democratic brand on your back, too. that's a tough thing to ask. >> nancy pelosi was a great speaker. a great leader. but her time has come and gone. yes, she is a great fund-raiser but if the money we're raising through her leadership is not helping us win elections, then we have to have this difficult conversations now. >> the rationale for getting new leadership is we are losing. we've been losing since 2010. >> one point democrats make is that pelosi was featured in almost every attack ad against jon ossoff. she was portrayed as the embodyment of liberal vls.
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today, pelosi punched back. >> i feel very support. we're paving the way. i respect any that i be that new members have. i think i'm worth the trouble. i love the fray. >> for more, i'll joined by harrell. we should note nancy pelosi 2002. you did oppose her. i covered her in 2005, 2006. here's what i noticed about her. she insulated herself in a way i have not seen frequently from potential challenges. if you were alined with somebody she thought was your enemy, she kept steny hoyer's people out.
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i hear her say she wants to pave the way for new leaders. but pelosi has kept leaders for her own survival. she has kept them from that. >> from passing sxlegs acting policy that's help a majority of americans. the problem is they seem incable of winning. the record speaks for itself. if you recall in the actual real world, the business world, even if we like and you say you've done a great job, you have to find ways to move people to positions they can perform better. the reality is miss pelosi is feet urtd in many of these ads. what does that communicate?
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when they say pelosi and her values. we know it turns into a loss in. infrastructure and taxes and health care and favor things we democrats want, it is important to have the xofrgss need to take place. miss pelosi was as toxic among republicans. more came out and voted against jobl ossoff and what miss pelosi represented. i hate that's the fact and a reality. we can't run away from it and pretend it doesn't exist. the real losers are not members of congress. she certainly at the will of the members of congress but they represent people across the
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country who claim and believe that they can do the best job. when they can't win the majority, you have to think about what that mean. if we go into that. >> she won, in a land slide. is she still leader realistically speaking? she's going to survive this, isn't she? >> it sounds like according to her hums, are you loyal to miss pelosi or to your politics? if we choose miss pelosi, we'll be in a disadvantage. now, democrats aside, we don't want to compete in the south and parts of the midwest and parts
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of out west and northwest. fair enough west should sit down and do the math and determine, can we gain enough seats? you have to figure out how you'll win that allow a majority. it it doesn't look like that. >> 15 years, it is rare to see a leader last 15 years. she's been speaker. 15 years is a long time. >> looking at the 55, the 62. there's something happening. it is all the time good. they go back to the campaign. democrats in that caucus take a long hard look. if we couldn't translate that into a victory in george these are seats we have to win to win
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from the guilded cage of the white house. an epic version of the fact challenged, i wish i could write like that. he touched on many familiar themes. trump unveiled a modification to his proposed border wall on mexico which he says will offset at the cost of construction. this is what he had to say. >> we're thinking of something that's unique. we're talking about the southern border. lots of sun, lots of heat. we're thinking about building it as a solar wall so it creates energy. and pays for itself. and this way, mexico will have to pay much less money. that's good, right? the higher it goes, the more valuable it is. pretty good imagination, right? my idea. >> the president also had his fair share of unscripted moments in talking about his billionaire comers secretary will better
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ross as well as gary cohn. trump said he wouldn't want a poor person running the economy. >> somebody said why did you appoint a rich person to be in charge of the economy? i said because that's the kind of thinking we want. and i love all people. rich or poor. but in those particular positions, i don't want a poor person. does that make sense? >> i'm joined by the roundtable. that clip we played at the end, i wouldn't want a poor person running the economy. it seals like that's the essence of trump right there. if you want to be outraged by that. i heard so many people saying, a president saying that. half the country feels that way. and then the other half of the country says, no, i get what he means. you hear what you want to hear.
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>> this is the blot test presidency for sure. what i think he was alluding to was that he has taken a lot of criticism for filling his cabinet with swamp-like characters. people who were of goldman sachs. he criticized ted cruz very heavily for his wife's connections and that sort of thing. he is defending these choices. you talk to his supporters and they don't really mind. they think that his cabinet is filled with people who will do a good job. so that message is resonating with his base of support. >> that's the thing i'm wondering about. there's so much criticism and mockery of him. he said drain the swamp in the campaign and then there's lobbyists and goldman sachs and wall street and jared kushner's business. i feel like what his supporters take as draining the swamp is the noise from the media. the noise from the critics. there's never been this much outrage generated on a daily
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basis from a president that i can probably in history. his critics will say it is entirely justified. i wonder if the volume of that criticism translates as we sent that guy there. he must be doing something. >> i think you're right. if he had put a poor person in charge of economy, i think his policy pro supposals would be a lot different on medicaid. i think the things that for a normal president would be a struggling problem or evidence of a struggle are to his supporters evidence of his successful and that is what is so different about this presidency. when he gets attacked aboutby t media, when he is having problems in washington, his supporters say this issy voted for him. and i think people can't quite get their heads around that conventionally. because a guy at 33% or 40% is not conventionally doing well. >> that's the big picture question i'm asking constantly. during the campaign he put up all sorts of numbers that we
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said you can't be a candidate for president and have a 35% he approval rating and win. it becomes the sail for his presidency. you can't go through your first six, seven months with republicans controlling the house, republicans controlling the senate. you have the white house. you don't have anything to show for it. you can't do that and tell your supporters you're delivering. that poll at the top, not a majority but more than 40% of the country reads his lack of accomplishments as sign the system is fighting him. they see him as going had to break the system. not to make it better. every time he colonels up short. every time a court intervenes and said, it underlies your policy proposals. he points a finger back at they will and says they're the problem. nobody sent donald trump to washington to make washington somehow more functional place. they sent him there to break it apart and build it from scratch. and every time he fights, every time he gets to a scandal, i think validation why they voted
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for him. it is a fascinating discussion from my standpoint. a lot of people say, you're trying to understand him. maybe you're trying to support trump. i'm trying to understand what binds people to donald trump. i think it is different than we've seen with any major political figure. certainly with any president. i think it is worth trying to grapple with.
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