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craig melvin is up next. >> msnbc world headquarters in new york. lottings we are following this hour. life support. the senate republican plan to overhaul obamacare losing more momentum after yet another senator comes out publicly against the bill. can the republican leadership and the president save it? do they really want to? also, warning shot. the white house issuing a stern warning to syria's president pledging his regime would pay a, quote, heavy price if it carried out another chemical attack. is president trump now drawing his own red line? and staying silent. barack obama remains quiet after
a barrage of attacks from president trump on russia. when will he break his silence? i'll talk to an inpsier. we start with the senate health care bill and a whole lot of horse-trading. talks are going on at this hour at the white house and capitol hill with the president and the vice president respectively. at least five republican senators have indicated they would vote no on even starting debate in its current form. all eyes at this hour, they are on majority leader mitch mcconnell. can he get a deal done this week? can he ever get a deal done? >> i expect to have the support to get it done. >> there's a real horse-trading caucus at work right now. mitch mcconnell is very good at this sort of thing. >> i would not bet against mitch mcconnell. he is very, very good at getting things done through the senate, even with this razor thin
majority. working against mitch mcconnell, that cbo report. 22 million more uninsured, increased deductibles, lower premiums but because of lower benefits, and oldest and poorest could be priced out all together. from the nonpartisan cbo report, "despite being eligible for premium tax credits, few low-income people would purchase any plan." peter alexander is at the white house. msnbc's chris jansing is on the hill. mr. alexander, let's start with you at 1600. give us the lowdown. who's at the white house, who's the president meeting with, where is vice president pence? >> a bunch of good questions. we can't say for certain this meeting is under way, but it's supposed to happen about now, a meeting between the president and an outspoken critic of this republican senate health care bill. that is the kentucky senator rand paul, the two scheduled to be meeting at some point during the middle of this day. the president privately has been making calls to republican
lawmakers. we're told he and his legislative team have continued their outreach over the course of the last 48 hours as well as they will continue to do going forward. as for the vice president, he's been a little perhaps more proactive in terms of the physical effort, traveling up to the hill for a republican senate policy lunch that begins as we speak. i'm told that after that he'll be meeting with maybe a half dozen republican lawmakers, some of them reluctant to come on board in support of this health care bill. a little later this evening he's going to be hosting four conservative senators at his residence for a dinner among them utah senator mike lee, one of those no votes that you were talking about here. one of the items republicans have pointed to is the cbo report showing that the deficit reduction could be more than $320 billion over the course of a decade.
significant already more deficit reduction in the house bill that allows for mitch mcconnell, the senate majority leader, to perhaps trade out some goodies, sweeteners to some of those lawmakers he need to try to get on board. craig? >> chris jansing, that takes us to you. this horse-trading happening right now on the hill. what do we know about that? what senator mitch mcconnell is doing regarding this sweetening of the pot so to speak. >> he said it's do or die. he wants to get this done this week. the fact that mike pence, the vice president, has come to capitol hill, tells you how high the stakes are and just how much they need him to try to get this done when you already have five senators who are saying i don't even want this to go to a vote. you realize the pressure is building. i talked to john thune about this idea of horse-trading, taking this extra money, handing it out to senators, and he said obviously that is something that they have in their back pocket, but when i made a little gesture just sort of showing handouts he
said i don't really want to put it that way. part of the problem obviously is the split within the party, so peter mentioned this meeting between the president today and rand paul. he is a definite no on this, although he said in a radio interview earlier today he thinks he and president trump are actually on the same page, that the problem they see with this bill is it's not a true appeal. i've been in touch with his office in the last few minutes and i said for him what would he see as a real repeal? first let's look at the tweets that rand paul set out. he said headed to meet with donald trump this afternoon. the bill is not currently real repeal and needs major improvement. i'll discuss with him how to fix bill and get more to a yes on real repeal, things i've tried to sell senate leaders with no results so far. leaving the senate leadership who he's been critical of, going to the president. what's the message?
just got this. 12,000 obama regulations, this bill repeals two according to rand paul, not enough. creates an entitlement program, doesn't allow health savings accounts. that's one of the places they could take some of that savings, some of the money and allow it to go into savings accounts. he also wants cross state purchasing. he was one of the senators that got personal phone calls from the president over the weekend. another is shelly moore capito from west virginia. when you know from reading the cbo analysis that the people are going to be disproportionately hurt, are the elderly and the rural poor, 51% of rural residents in west virginia, 51% are on medicaid. that's what's at stake for senators like her. right now the meeting's going on. senator paul at the white house, mike pence with members of the republican leadership here, but to hear rand paul tell it who,
again, showing you just how critical this is, the white house said he'd rather see the bill die than see it anywhere in its current form. he says major structural changes are needed. >> peter alexander, chris jansing, thank you. republican governor john kasich of ohio tore into republican bill today. here he is at the national press club. 22 million, 23 million americans who lose health insurance and they think that's good public policy? are you kidding me? why don't we have those folks go and live under medicaid for a while. why don't we have them live under an exchange where they can get 2,000, 3,000, 4,000 dollars a year to cover their health insurance costs. >> president of the american action forum, former director of the cbo as well under president george w. bush, and "top gun" is a former director of health and human services under president obama. good to see you both. doug, you told "the washington
post" that republicans are going to be beaten on the head with this report like a club. are there any amendments that could salvage this thing? >> i don't think that's the right way to look at it. certainly democrats will jump on it and we've seen that happen. the real issue for republicans is to recognize this is one part health care reform but also better economic policy, the aca enacted taxes and regulations out of the great recession that weren't helpful. budget policy, because we've had some entitlement reforms that will be absolutely necessary as the years go by. and it's a test of their ability to govern and deliver on a political promise and the president's legislative agenda. so it's not really is this a tweak or that a tweak and can we do some sort of transaction and get it done, it's about a broader set of issues for the republican caucus. >> anton, this is a bill that seems to be dead at every step along the way. that was the case in the house. they managed to pull it through. do you think that's what's going
on around the country's the case this time? do you think they can get to 50 votes before the august recess? i hope they don't even get to 20 votes because this is a terrible piece of legislation. there's nothing good about it, no good economic policy in it, there's nobody that will convince me or anybody else that adding 22 million uninsured people in america is a good thing for the economy or a good thing for those people who need health coverage. it's a bad bill all the way around. i know they're trying to horse trade, but they're not horse-trading. this is just horse manure, because it's a bad bill, bad policy, doesn't add value to anybody's life. i don't know why we're even considering it or why there's a deal to be made here. this is not a deal. this is dangerous public policy. i never say i agree with governor john kasich but i agree 100%. this makes no sense and is not good, sound policy. they're just trying to score political points and that's the unfortunate thing. when health care is so important to everybody, we got political
leaders who only care about scoring points. >> doug, this 22 million, this figure that the cbo found that would be pushed off insurance, this morning speaker ryan said the cbo score is a bit misleading because these are folks who would simply opt not to have coverage. they could theoretically afford it, get coverage but choose not to have it. have we blown that figure out of proportion? >> if you look at cbo score at face value, in 2018, 15 million americans walk away from their individual policies, drop their employer sponsored coverage or plooefd cade when the only thing that will change is the mandate. the policies. still in place. no change. people just don't like that insurance and the vast majority of the 22 happened in 2018.
>> the other 7 million -- >> that's the cbo score. it's about the mandate. >> correct me if i'm wrong. first of all, with regards to the mandate, you tell me how that would not destabilize an already shaky marketplace and two, if the federal subsidies are significantly lower, then how would someone be able to afford the actual insurance? >> in 2018, nothing has changed. so that's a fact. and then there are phase-ins of the additional policies in the years after that. the 15 million out of the 22 total happens without changing any of that and the markets aren't destabilized because the senate has put in the cost sharing reduction money, put in the state's stabilization funds, have basically done everything that the insurers could have imagined to make sure that there is enough money for them to stay in those markets and to continue to offer the policies designed under the affordable care act. so that's the litmus test of the aca. it's 2018. the years after that, you've got
million more people who are projected to be uninsured, 5 million of those are people who are presumably in medicaid expansion states that haven't happened yet. of those 7 million, 5 million are phantom people and the rest is flat, no change in coverage. that might not be a tremendous public policy accomplishment to have flat moments but i think the bill's been badly mischaracterized. >> anton, susan collins, republican senator, a no vote right now. this is what she tweeted after that cbo score came out yesterday. "i want to work with my gop and dem colleagues to fix the flaws in aca. cbo analysis shows a senate bill won't do it. i will vote no." what are the fixes, anton gunn? you're familiar with the act. you had to sell it arndt the country. what needs to be fixed? >> there are a lot of fixes that need to be made and many need to happen at the state level. i think one of the main things,
the supreme court gave states an out from expanding medicaid. so we still have a lot of people who are uninsured in states that did not expand medicaid. that's one simple fix to make sure we scrub the floor of people who have health insurance in our country. the other things that need to be done to stabilize insurance markets in the states. the reinsurance fund is an opportunity to do that to make sure health plans that go into a market and offer plans to people that they have some support and make sure their losses are covered when we have sicker people rolling coverage. we've known about these things since the passage of the affordable care act and wanted to fix them every year in the six years since the aca has become law. but we haven't had leadership in the congress that has wanted to work on improving the aca. they're only intent on repealing it. i'm glad people are waking up and recognizing both proposals introduced by the gop and the house and the senate do not move the ball down the field and provide better access to quality health care for all americans.
this is a national security issue to me. when we have sick people who don't have coverage, who can't get well, that makes us unstable as a nation. so we have to find a way to make sure our people are strong and providing them access to health care and not allowing more teem to become uninsured is how we do that. and you have to want to fix the aca to actually fix the aca. if you want to repeal the aca, you're not going to fix it, period. >> anton gunn, douglas holtz-eakin, thanks to both of you. >> thank you. >> jim clyburn of south carolina is the third ranking democrat in the house. thanks for your time this afternoon. >> thanks for having me. >> do you think mitch mcconnell can get to 50? >> well, i hope not. i think it's 50/50 that he'll get to 50. i don't underestimate mitch mcconnell at all. i think i know him pretty well. he's a pretty good practitioner
of the legislative process. he manages his folks over there very well. and so i think he has the ability to get there. i don't think he's got a good product to sell to his people. therefore, that will makes it dicey. a good product, i think he could do it. he doesn't have a good product. >> i want to show this. a big tax cut to the rich. $more than 45,000 to all of the 1%. yet we knew this was the house bill. and that didn't seem to make enough traction with voters in those two recent special elections. why does it seem that democrats can't make the sale on health care? >> well, i think we have. if you looked at what happened with the house bill, by the time
the house bill came to the floor, it was only, what, 17% in some polls, 12% in others. anytime you can only poll 12%, that means that somebody has been very well educated. the public has been very well educated. i don't see anything better with this proposal going from 23 million without health care to 22 million without health care while providing over $700 billion in cuts to medicaid. you know what that means? that means nursing homes worth 64% of the people who live in nursing homes, they get their support from medicaid. these are not necessarily poor people. you're talking about middle inform income families, men and women trying to work every day, trying to educate their children but grandparents or parents or guardians sitting in nursing
homes, they need to have this kind of a program, and that's what this is all about. i think if we had done anything as democrats or failed to do anything, it's we have failed to get people to know exactly who medicaid benefits. it benefits every community, every family in this country, and mostly i'm talking about upper middle class families. if they're going to stay in the middle class, they need medicaid. and that is what this is all about, and that's where they have failed in getting people to understand exactly who benefits from this program. and we need to get people to understand this is all about a big tax cut to a few wealthy families. it's not about taking care of low to middle-income families. >> while i have you here, i want to ask you about a lot of the blowback. president obama has come up for a lot of criticism here.
a lot of it from president trump. some from democrats as well about the way that he responded or did not respond to the 2016 election hack. what's your opinion of how president obama responded? >> well, i think when you look at the situation in the middle of an election, president obama was conducting himself the same way we asked director comey to conduct himself, irrespective of what information you have, you ought not be injecting yourself in the middle of a campaign, especially that late in the process. when they found out about all of this stuff, it was after both conventions in september and october. you're talking about 68 weeks before the camp and the president was loathe to inject himself in the middle of that. and so for us to now blame him, we ought to then be careful about why we blamed comey for
getting in the process so late in the day. so i don't hold anything against president obama for this. hindsight is always 20/20 and when you have the benefit-it you can sound like a genius. >> that's a good spot to -- you know what, before we go, congresswoman pelosi, should she stay or go? >> absolutely stay. you don't change horses in the middle of the stream. we had an election last november and we are going to have an election after the next election. so let's just calm down, deal with what we've got, move forward as a caucus, and do what we can do connect ourselves with the voters in the country and take an assessment at the end of the next election. >> congressman jim clyburn. congressman, really good to see you. please pass along my regards to emily and the girls. in thank you so much for asking about them. i'll be sure and tell them. >> how would the republican health care plan impact the more than 20 million americans living
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correspondent hans nicholls join us and jeremy bash, national security analyst, former chaff chief of staff at the cia and the department of defense under leon panetta. good to have you both. hans, those reports that some officials were surprised by the white house statement. kwhaf you lea kwh what have you learned? >> initially we started reaching out to all our sources at the pentagon and we didn't get any guidance. now, about ten hours later, a little bit after that this morning, we started getting very firm guidance and that is that the pentagon had detected through pretty solid intelligence that they saw something at the al sharat airfield, the same airfield april 4th they launched that attack, something suggestive of intent to use chemical weapons. now, basically, they're looking at one of these hangers, a hardened shelter. they're saying they see some activity. it's in this very shelter they think think store chemical munitions. it's the same shelter, one of several, they hit on that april
7th strike. so from that we've gone forward and we're trying to figure out just how close they might be towards an attack and the last couple hours, craig, it seems like officials here are walking it back, saying this is a warning, this isn't a declaration of intent by the united states military to hit the assad regime. but they clearly want to put them and as nikki haley was saying the russians on notice. >> first we had that statement via twitter from sean spicer, then the tweet by ambassador hailey followed up by the testimony this morning. how serious of a warning is this and is it likely to deter the assad government even if it hadn't planned to carry out an attack? >> i think it was an incredibly serious statement by the administration, greg. it basically said if assad uses chemical weapons that he would pay a heavy price. and that basically means your military operation would hit not only the airfield that was hit back in april with 59 tomahawk cruise missiles but we would have to undertake a much more comprehensive bombing campaign
to hit assad's command and control and go after regime targets. that's the way i interpreted the heavy price. can't be one strike at one airfield at one time. >> senator chris coons is a democratic member of the foreign relations committee, asked if president trump has eventually drawn yet another line in the sand with his statement. take a listen to what he said. >> it certainly suggests to me that they are preparing for another strike against assad and that this was designed to be a red-line statement. that's exactly the sort of thing that could be irresponsible or dangerous if you make a bright line statement without having laid out a strategy for backing it up and without consulting with congressional leaders. >> red lines as they relate to syria haven't gone well for past administrations, jeremy. is there a danger to issuing a warning like this? >> yeah, there is a danger, particularly if the president is unwilling to push putin and the russians out of the way. don't forget, last sunday after
a u.s. f-18 navy war craft downed a syrian su-22 fighter, essentially russia declared a no-fly zone and said u.s. aircraft cannot fly west of the euphrates. so beyond how we would even undertake a military operation to deliver a heavy blow to assad or make him pay a heavy price with russia in effect having a no-fly zone in that area. >> logistics aside, in terms of its territorial sovereignty, how much latitude would the president have or does the president have, jeremy, when it comes to the kind of strike that we saw in april and i guess what could be a more sustained strike in the future? >> look, i think he has latitude. the question is what is the overall strategy. we've been told we're in syria to conduct operations against isis. my view is, and i think the emerging view is that we're not going to make as much progress against isis as we want as long as syrian fighters are firing on
syrian defense force our allies on the ground that we've trained and equipped to go after isis. essentially, i don't think we're going to finish off isis and syria as long as assad is in power. that's why it's critical that assad goes hopefully through a political and diplomatic resolution, but that would require again pushing russia out of the way and giving us more freedom of action to change the calculus on the battlefield. >> hans, what do we know about our military assets and part of the world right now? any movement? >> you've got the u.s. george w. bush in the east, so that's where the f-18s flew from that knocked down the 22. you have destroyers there as well. you don't have to worry about a no-fly zone if you're launching cruise missiles. i would say on all of this, the rhetoric we hear from the actual war fighters from the people at operation resolution support here in the pentagon and that is that the u.s. does not seek a conflict with the assad regime.
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liverpool released that facebook photo and that couple passed out in an suv with the small child in the back seat. they said they wanted to share the world the effects of what they call the poison of heroin as it relates to young innocent children. then just fast forward to just a little while ago, maybe a month or so ago, there was a police officer here who was processing a call where a couple drug suspects had just been driving when they were arrested. he processed the scene with gloves on and a mask, got back to the station, a colleague said you got some drug on your shirt, he brushed it off with his hand, ended up unconscious in an hour, ended up needing narcan to revive him. the problem is real. a doctor joining us from caa health and behavioral health center. how do you fix this problem here? >> yeah, we're in an area where i mean clearly the opiate epidemic is nationwide. we are in an area that's more of a hotspot. ohio leads the nation for
opiate-related overdoses. and you just fix them one patient at a time. this is a bio, psycho, social, and spirited disorder and you have to address all those issues of the patient. you know, just addressing one of though is not enough. you need to recruit the family, clergy, the police force, counseling, therapy, you know, so we're addressing all of those issues. >> how concerned are you as a health provide they're if this bill becomes law with the proposed cuts to medicaid, which is supporting a lot of the fight against this opioid problem around the country, especially here in ohio, that money goes away, it's got to come back from somewhere, the state probably doesn't have a lot of money lying around waiting to be spent. how concerned are you as a professional? >> i mean, very concerned, ron. i was able to see the initiation of the affordable care act and it came at a time where it was a blessing to be able to care for people that didn't have coverage that now suddenly have coverage. you're able to enter them into care, able to get them to
treatment, get them the meds they need. by the same token, you know, we see a lot of people that are stuck in the middle also. we see a lot of families that don't qualify for the affordable care act, can't afford private insurance, and then get hit with the tax premiums and tax penalties to get insurance. so we see both angles on it. >> it's a complex problem that potentially could get worse if this bill becomes law. >> there is no doubt the problem's not going away. the opiate crisis is real. it's getting worse. the drugs are stronger and stronger, no longer -- we're seeing less and less heroin and more fentanyl. the problem will only worsen. >> thank you, doctor. appreciate your time. >> reporter: craig, i think i've lost connection back to you in new york so back to you now. >> ron, thank you and thanks to that doctor with the front line testimonial. some on the right suggest congress should call former president barack obama to testify on russia collusion.
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a reaction coming in from j a white house meeting, apparently. here's what he posted. just came from white house. president trump is open to making bill better. is senate leadership? i'm joined by former dnc communications director karen finney, former congressman david jolley. we trotted out the big hitters this afternoon. let's start with, again, also, reportedly, according to politico, there's this 4:00 meeting at the white house, all senators have been invited to this meeting. again, this is according to politico. we haven't confirmed that just yet. david, it would seem as if president trump is now decided he's going to lead this health care fight. >> well, i think he's going to lead some negotiation but understand what's going on here. there are some senators concerned about the content but
virtually every republican senator concerned about the president's credibility. we can't overstate the impact of what president trump did on sunday when he threw every house gop member under the bus, saying it was a mean bill. there were irate house members on sunday who have to answer to that. senators know, look, this is just history repeating itself. what if they walk the plank on this, what if they pass it, how does the president describe it when people in the midwest complain about losing medicaid and opioid services and so forth? >> karen, stand by for me. david as well. casey hunt standing by on capitol hill with new reporting. what do you have? >> reporter: we are hearing on capitol hill that there is likely no health care vote this week, that from one source who is familiar with the negotiations and what is going on. we are waiting here for mitch mcconnell, who is slated we know to come to his usual, he usually stands at this podium at this time on every tuesday to talk to
reporters. so we are expecting him basically any minute. he's behind closed doors currently with the senate republican conference talking this through. we also know reince priebus, chief of staff at the white house, has been spotted on capitol hill today. i just watched sean spicer wander into that lunch as well as this is all unfolding here. it was simply clear, craig, that the votes were not going to be there this week but it's important to emphasize this is being cast as a delay so not the death of this bill. this is not something they are saying okay, fine, we're going to tear this up and start from scratch on something else. but rather, putting it off until after this july fourth recess. that of course coming up. that's why this deadline was considered to be so important. they wanted to try and do this this week before they let senators go out on that holiday, get it done. there was even some behind the scenes talk in the house of representatives they might stay here for the weekend to try to vote on something that the senate might have passed but it became quickly pretty clear that
this was falling apart. they were losing support. you had senators on the left and the right who had different sets of concerns. they were trying to negotiate with senators on the right, that was jeopardizing even more votes from the other side of the conference. so more information about the timing of this delay as we get it, but again, likely no health care vote this week. >> no vote this week. majority leader mitch mcconnell set to head to that podium any moment now. when that happens, we will of course bring it to you here on msnbc. karen, your reaction to the news of the day here that there's not going to be a vote before the recess. what do you make of that? >> well, i'm not surprised. i was on the hill yesterday and hearing from friends on both sides of the aisle that we know mitch mcconnell is a shrewd businessman. he knows he's not going to put up a piece of legislation that he knows doesn't have the votes. i think particularly once those cbo numbers came out it became very clear that just as was
pointed out, from both sides of his caucus, he was in deep, deep trouble. i do think they are probably not thrilled about the idea of having to now go home to their districts over the recess and defend numbers like 22 million people potentially losing health insurance, 23 million people losing health insurance, particularly i think they are going to hear, a lot of members will start to hear from mayors and governors who understand the way this senate plan shifts around the costs, it's going to be the states and localities that are going to have to bear the burden of those costs when people show up in emergency rooms, because they don't have the protection of essential lens that they once had and are now in a critical condition like we used to see before obamacare. i think it's going to be an interesting couple weeks as these guys get an earful when they go home. >> david, the longer the senate waits to vote on this bill, does that make it easier to get it passed or harder?
>> no, it's a rule in congress it makes it harder. once they go home on their recess. listen, recognize something else. mcconnell recently reportedly, very good report out there, saying mcconnell said if we don't get this done by the fourth of july, we will have to work with chuck schumer and compromise. i know a lot of people like that. i like that. i like hearing the fact mcconnell is willing to compromise. but that puts an onus on democrats to now suggest what are the fix and repair plans because we still haven't really heard a clear democrat fix and repair plan. listen, i hope the parties come together on this, but in having to compromise, democrats will now be on the hot seat. >> i think democrats will be eager to have that opportunity but i disagree, congressman. i don't think democrats are on the hot seat. we are talking about having an opportunity to finally have a conversation with republicans that they wanted to have for some time but the republicans were too busy crafting this thing in secret. i think it is better for the american people if both chambers
and both parties actually would go back to the drawing board and say okay, where are the problems and the challenges that we can come together and solve these issues for the american people, because that was always the intention of the affordable care act, was that congress would work together to make it better, that it was always something that would roll out over time and that we would need to adjust and fix over time, if they are working together i hope that happens, and i hope that means we end up with something that's better for every one of us. >> congressman, karen, stand by one second. i want to go back to the hill. this 4:00 meeting at the white house that's reportedly going to be happening, all senators there, all republican senators at the white house, what more can you tell us about that? >> reporter: well, i think this is a sign that the negotiating process is maybe going to take a different set of contours than it has to this point. this until now was a mitch mcconnell-led effort, the senate majority leader, and actually,
if you will excuse me, i'm getting some reporting in from our hill team colleagues. we do now have multiple sources telling us that senators were told that mitch mcconnell will announce that the vote will be delayed until after the july fourth recess. so additional sourcing here at nbc news on what we have been talking about throughout this hour here. now, all of these senators going to the white house at 4:00, will tell you that perhaps the president himself may be getting more involved. he had taken a relatively hands-off approach in the senate while he let mitch mcconnell do the work. he had made some phone calls over the weekend, we know. he talked to mostly conservative senators, but also to shelley moore capito and he was meeting privately or more privately, i should say, rand paul was the only senator over at the white house this afternoon talking to the president and perhaps others who may have been in the meeting about this health care bill. but now to talk to all of them,
i think you will see this go back to the argument we have been talking about all the way along through this debate. it's sengsessentially been this question of do republicans follow through on what they consider to be a key campaign promise or do they not. the argument, this is a very difficult bill. every version of it has potentially been politically difficult on the house side and the senate side. the argument has been hey, you ran on this. if you go home and say i didn't vote for this, that will be a real political problem. i think that potentially the argument we will hear from the president. now, that said, we will see what president trump has to say about whether the bill needs to have quote, more heart, be less mean, those are terms we heard the president use for this. of course, we have talked so much about how this senate bill makes deep cuts to medicaid which is something that president trump explicitly promised on the campaign trail that he wouldn't do. >> chris jansing also on the hill. two pieces of breaking news here. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell expected to head to
the podium there any moment to confirm what we have been reporting here for the last few minutes, that the senate gop bill will not get a vote before the july fourth holiday despite, despite senate majority leader mcconnell saying last week the vote would happen this week. that's one piece of breaking news. no vote this week. the other piece, this 4:00 meeting at the white house, all gop senators have been summoned to 1600 pennsylvania to meet with president trump. chris jansing also on the hill. i understand you have been talking to democratic senators. what are they telling you about all of this? >> reporter: just -- i don't know if you can hear the binging -- >> i hear the pings. >> reporter: lot of back and forth going on. let me start with the meeting between rand paul at the white house with the president. now there's going to be that one at 4:00. he's out of it, he's back here. we are expecting to hear from him about that. meantime, i'm getting conflicting reaction from aides to senate democrats, one saying this is good for us.
the strategy this morning had clearly been get the message out there about the cbo score, what it means to individuals, particularly those who are aging, those who are poor. there are at least three democratic press conferences that were scheduled today to hammer that message home. they have been out there on the airwaves. just got -- and, as a matter of fact, the bill isn't going to get more popular, says a senior aide to one. the more people hear about the thing, the harder it gets for the republicans to find support. democrats will spend every single day of this recess driving home just how bad this is. now, that's one look at it. but another democrat says maybe this isn't so good because quote, we were about to deliver the kill. mcconnell with time walking around, money to dole out, that is a dangerous thing, shows you just how much trouble they were in. next week becomes the most crucial recess of this presidency to date.