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the standard plan available with coverage would be just over half of your cost coverage. that's a big amount that's really left for you to have to deal with. and that's what hurts people's health. >> and i think this is what mitch mcconnell knew was going to come out in any debate this week. and if the bill comes back to life we'll be hearing a lot more about all the other numbers beyond just the premiums. doctor, thank you for joining us tonight. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. tonight a public defeat for a health care bill written in private. the republican leader in the senate doesn't have the votes so the bill is shelved for now. and the "washington post" is asking the question, who is afraid of trump? why can't the party that controls the white house and both houses of congress get health care through? two of the articles authors here with us tonight so is the man responsible for the standout moment in the white house briefing today. when accused of being fake news
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one reporter wasn't having it. "the 11th hour" begins now. and good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. another eventful one day. day 159 of the trump administration. and the president's promise, the republican promise to repeal and replace obamacare faded today. the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is a cagey veteran and inside player, and a very good vote counter. he doesn't do this often. but today he pulled back on the bill. it's been delayed until after the july 4th recess. then the senate republicans got on a bus and went to the white house where they sat around a giant table with the president, who was notably book ended by two of the plan's critics collins of maine a no vote, a murkz ever alaska who was called
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out by name by the president who added if they can't make a deal that's okay. >> i thought i'd ask you folks to come say hello and we'll discuss health care. we have really no choice but to solve this situation. obamacare is a total disaster. it's melting down as we speak preponderates are going up. in fact it's very interesting you're sitting next to me bus in alaska it was 206%. a 206% increase in alaska. this will be great if we get it done. and if we don't get it done it's just going to be something that we're not going to like and that's okay. and i understand that very well. but i think we have a chance to do something very, very important for the public, very, very important for the people of our country that we love. >> and as the senators left the would you say, mitch mcconnell laid out what's next for this bill. >> we're kinning to work on reaching an agreement that will
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involve -- continue the discussion to the end of the week. and we'll not be turning to the bill on the floor of the senate until a couple of weeks after this week. >> after about that "washington post" story out tonight, the answer to their own headline of who is afraid of trump is, not enough republicans, at least for now. they say, quote, trump has -- had hoped for a swift and easy win on health care this week. instead i got a delay and return to the northbounding table. the laftsry mind of the limits of his power to shape outcomes at the opposite end of pennsylvania avenue. "the new york times" reported the style along with people like steve bannon was not helpful to the process in the senate where, again, republicans own the majority. their effort to repeal and replace obamacare started the day president obama signed the affordable care act along with its marketing slogan and its promise to the american people.
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>> i can tell you with regard to the -- to the campaign that will continue with the american people, i think the slogan will be repeal and replace. repeal and replace. >> we have to do everything we can to try to repeal this bill and replace it with common sense reforms. >> that will bring down the cost of health insurance and expand access for more americans. >> and so it's critical that we replace -- that we repeal obamacare and by the way, also replace it. >> we need to repeal and replace obamacare with a better system. >> we are going to repeal obamacare we are going to replace obamacare with something so much better. >> how many obamacare a certified job killer it needs to be repealed and replaced. >> we should shall fighting obamacare pmt replace going with something different. >> senator. >> i will repeal every word of obamacare. >> thank you. >> tonight "i" also calling on this congress to repeal and replace obamacare. >> a little look at where we've been going back to march of
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2010. let's bring in tonight's starting panel. robert costa, national political reporter for the "washington post". host of washington week on pbs. phillip rucker white house bureau chief for the "washington post". by the way it was robert and phillip and ashley parker who wrote and reported tonight's "washington post" piece. we also welcome erica anwarer to the broadcaster, congressional reporter for the associated press. so, robert is it too early to do what the pentagon calls bda, the battle damage assessment and kind of sum up what has happened here just today? >> the republican agenda, particularly on health care remains stalled. it's in leader mcconnell's hands to figure out if he can get moderates snar from alaska and senator collins of may and along with senator cruz and lee. >> i was at the capitol all day. he needs more time and the
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president can be helpful to an extent. buts in a senate problem that has a senate solution about tweaking the medicaid provisions, about tweaking how the waivers happen. different aspects need to be changed. it doesn't take a phone call necessarily from the president. >> phillip your headline asks this. a question who is afraid of trump? i'd like to hear you riff on the answer and what you uncovered along the way. >> well, the answer is nobody, or not enough republicans rather, at least for now. the problem is that a lot of presidents in order to successful for history have been both feared and reveered. there is a consensus forming in washington from republican fixers that bob and ashley and i are talking to all the time that trump is neither. and that's a problem. because the president is not able to govern with a hammer on capitol hill, especially with the senate and be able to really dictate the terms of what he wants done and get his agenda through. rather the senators are making their own personal calculations
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and their own decisions about these policies. >> and phillip whenever we turn to this subject we think of modern day example like lyndon johnson. >> yeah. >> an outsized texan, formerly majority leader of the senate used to call his friend dig russell everett dirkson. he was popular in the police coming out of a national tragedy and all the members of the senate were wary about crossing him. >> and we just don't have that right now. in part it's because of the president's only political problems. his approval rating as of today in the gal up daily tracking poll stands at 39%. so more americans disprove of his performance than approve. that's not exactly a political threat to some of the senators. but it's beyond that. it's his lack of clear sort of key heernt focus on a specific issue. he is not driving a message, not out there explaining to the american people why this
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particular health care bill is powerful. and another thing to keep in mind is what he had to say after the house bill. he had the big rose garden ceremony after that vote. and then he privately said that that bill was mean. and that sent a signal to the lawmakers on capitol hill that he is not necessarily going to have their back. >> so erica, what a bus ride that must have been for all the republicans in the senate down to the white house. you were in the room when the media were allowed in for what we call a pool spray until the president made it clear you weren't allowed in there anymore. we were looking at the available video for the body language. describe what you were able to see. >> right. well i actually was covering the hill. and on the hill today. but in that room a kind of strange setup with that very large table and all of those senators arrayed around it. not a lot of happy expressions there. kind of grim and glum faces.
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and as you played earlier, the president sitting in between senator collins and senator myrhhkowski, two of his critics among the senate gop. the senator from alaska did not look please the when he name checked her. trump makes the odd comment suggesting well it would be great if we pass it but if we don't, oh, well. where does it go from here? as you were playing earlier we have seven years worth of clips and promises that they're going to get in dunn. but until recently, until the president was elected there was never anything behind it. they never thought they would have to. as we've come to find out they really didn't know how to. still don't know how to so we'll see what happens. >> brian. >> yes robert. >> i was walking out of the capitol with senator collins before she confronts this whole array of cameras she tells me the president has a problem in
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ujds the congress. she is a veteran of the u.s. senate. and she said in her respectful maine way the president just hasn't been here in washington. he doesn't understand how to make the case. it's not that he is necessarily making the wrong case. he is just not making the case in the normal way the senators expect from the white house. and you saw some perplexed faces in the room that arinigaa was describing. the problem for the white house is what erica was mentioning. the republican senators were all talking to are a little bit confused by the president's statement that maybe it if it all falls apart and the insurance markets falls apart that republicans can blame democrats. privately most of them say they don't buy the argument coming from the other side of pennsylvania avenue. they're going to have an answer if obamacare facilitiers because they're the party in power. >> i want to ask the control room also to ready up the exchange with senator myrhhkowski on the hill, one of the more dramatic moments of the day on our air.
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while i read this piece of almost anticipatable reporting from our friends at the "new york times" tonight, glenn tlush and jonathan martin. a senator who supports the bill left the meeting at the white house with a sense that the president did not have a grasp of some basic elements of the senate plan. seemed especially kufrd when a moderate republican complained that opponents of the bill would cast it as a massive tax break for the wealth. according to an aide who received a detailed read outof the exchange. mr. trump said he planned to tackle tax reform later ignoring the repeal's tax implications, the staff member added. erica how alive or dead do you think this senate health care plan? >> i would say that it's in limb o right now. maybe more dead than alive. senate leaders wanted it to get it done this week as early as this morning senator cornyn the
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number two republicans was pledging the votes would happen this week. and that's partly because they are heading into a recess. the july 4th recess when a lot of lawmakers will be home in their districts, attending parades, et cetera. and a piece of legislation like this does not tend to improve over time. it is likely only getting harder for some of the lawmakers to get to yes as they encounter pushback in some waists from constituents at home. but ner in a bind because of the promises on this and the fact that the gop base may punish them if they don't deliver. >> and phil to your point earlier, the president's comment after all the hull a boo lieu on the house version in the house version in the end he found it to be mean opinion the newtering remark at the end of the press availability. if we can't get a deal we'll live with that. that must be driving some of the republicans crazy. >> it is certainly. and the other thing that is
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bothering some of the republicans is that the president just doesn't have command over the policy details. and that's in that -- the excerpt you read from "the new york times" peace but we hear it too. he wants a win. he wants something to sign. he wants to be able to tell the american people he changed obamacare. but he is not engrossed in the details. he has not studied up on health care as is an issue when he has the private conversations with senators. they tend to focused on the sort of big picture, macro, aspect of this. a win a loss. the politics. without getting into the nitty-gritty and you know that's troubling for some of the senators. and some of them are very much engrossed in these details and confronting it and dealing with it day to day. >> robert i want you to react to the following. this was something of a moment that occurred on live television today. the senator of alaska was walking on the capitol ground with what appeared to be a group of senate pages when our buddy
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garrett haik of the washington bureau went there on the b word, bipartisan, what process the democrats got involved? hear now his -- his question and her answer. >> you still have folks in your caucus who want to repeal obamacare root and branch. you got other folks saying maybe there is ways to work with democrats on this. would you be a proponent to try to work across some of the ace toll make some of the fixes. >> absolutely. when did we get to the point where we said no we're not going to talk to democrats about a fix? we should be working with our colleagues on the other side of the aisle. we should be working with colleagues in the other chamber. >> robert costa, is that ever going to happen? >> i think it may, brian. senator miles an hour koukds's comments are part of a small but growing consensus in the senate goch appear house gop that the affordable care act has become a major health care law likely here to stay and that there --
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republicans may want to take it out as garrett said by root and branch. but that's probably not political or logistical reality at this moment. and if that is the case can they make an argument to the republican base that it's just not possible to do frgt to take it oul all away and maybe you could come back to the table especially with a nonideological president who wants to cut deals and do something more incremental even if it's not full repeal. that seems to be an ambition that's -- that an outcome of this flawed stalled process in the senate. >> erica i can give you 30 seconds. i saw you nodding no is that because if the enacts get involved there is a chance they may own it. >> it's because senator mcconnell ruled it out for this round at least. but as robert indicated, they may end up with no choice. if they are not able to pass their legislation they're left with obamacare and obamacare needs to be fixed. everyone agrees.
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so they may have to do it that. >> and phil while i'm handing out time. 30 seconds how to you. how is energy week going at the white house? that was this week's theme. >> well, it is this week's theme actually the white house has been sticking to weekly themes. we had infrastructure week last week was technology week. it's a way to sort of focus the white house agenda and really drive something that's not russia. but we've heard very little about energy that the big performance today wasabi energy secretary rick perry the former governor of texas but he didn't make the news. >> the lead off panel, phillip rucker robert, erica. thank you. as we reproach the first break, will republicans come back with a bill they can agree on? we'll talk with one of the senators who met with the president in the room where it happened today. how he is feeling about the chances tonight when "the 11th hour" continues. i no longer live with
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welcome back to the 11th hour." here to talk about the gop decision to wait to vote on the health care bill in the senate, a real live republican member of the us senate has joined us this evening. south dakota republican senator mike rounds. senator thank you for being with us. first off, did you leave the white house meeting with any concerns about the president's level of detail and knowledge? >> i was actually surprised that he had a pretty good handle on a number of of items that were in the bill. he doesn't have a handle on everything. but nobody does. some of us have read the bill over several times and still got
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questions. we're still trying to get answers. but he clearly understood the basics on it. he clearly understood a number of items we were trying to put in that would try to get more people to buy insurance. he had obviously been involved in that. >> i went on your website tonight. if i read it correctly i don't see a townhall of any kind scheduled for the upcoming break. perhaps that's going to change. what do you expect to hear when you go home to south dakota? and more importantly what do you have to tell the folks of south dakota, the single mom worried her breast cancer going to come back? pier south dakota, the senior citizen thinking about the diabetes and cost in rapid city and so on. >> a couple of things. because a number of of those items have come up in the -- in the coffees we do around the state. some of them as many as three hundred people in them. the concerns were number one what are we trying to do with the health care plan? are we going to repeople and
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replace obamacare? and we explained to them, yes but we with he do it we want to do this one right. we're actually going to read the bill before we pass it into law. that's one of the reasons for the delay right now. second part of this is this this if we're toing it right we want to respect all the different segments of society impacted by it. 8% of gdp means a lot of people are compacted. people on medicaid, people not on medicaid but have a very low income. individuals who have a higher income but maybe have a -- an illness which is keeping them away from insurance unless they are protected or already have insurance. so all of those different types of things fall into this thing. the plan we've got is to bring premiums down. now the plan -- and nobody is claiming it's perfect but this one does reduce premiums by about 30% by the year 20. so we've got some room to work with on this one. and when we talk to folks back there in south dakota they have -- they're concerned about cancer they may have a child
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with a serious illness we tell them number one we want insurance in the future that will have guaranteed portability, renewability. and if you have a preexisting condition and you stay with your insurance policy you will never have to worry about that preexisting condition and finally, even if you have a major illness, our plans all provide that you will have continuous coverage where you can't lose the maximum amounts. in other words if one policy says we're only going to $2 million there is another policy behind it available. or there is a reinsurance contract behind it to where you never realize that you might have exhausted one policy's limits but there is a reinsurance contract behind which is very standard within the industry. >> i don't need to tell you about south dakotans. but if it doesn't flying with them you won't end up flying back to washington for another term. if you read and believe the cbo that this is a net loss of $22
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million. we've never done that before taken an away an entitlement, so-called, because people become entitled to the benefit. that's going to be a tough conversation. and you'll hear it right away, i imagine. >> well and we've already heard part of it. but you have to remember in south dakota we've actually got under this proposal right now before we make additional modifications to it there is only 12,000 -- or 13,000 south dakotans estimate nad will actually have access to coverage under our plan that don't now under obamacare. 77,000 individuals who have the individual market which is at risk right now. and with projectens of 40% increase next year will not have insurance if we don't do something. in both cases there is a large segment. that's almost -- almost 17, 18% of our total population in the sir state that's actually impacted if -- if we make this bill happen. but i think the reason you're seeing a dra there is a lot of
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us think we can make it better part of it. i know this sounds getting into the weeds. but group insurance is a good way to deliver health care. some of us would like to see the tax credits available right now to an individual on the individual market we think that hub should be available to an video's dependents in a group market. that's not covered under obamacare. we think that's an advantage that we should try to build into this particular plan. also, we think there should be more competition in the market. and i know that some people say well that's easy to say. but beforewood we had obamacare in south dakota ee wenl have 800,000 poem in the state we had 13 people offering insurance. we're down to three. we had just as many offering individual health insurance. we're down to two now. so we think we can put together a better plan than what we've got today. but the one we've got today is better than obamacare. >> and senator we are out of time for now with great thanks for joining us live late at night we appreciate it. senator mike rounds, republican
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>> we've been going on this russia trump hoax for the better part of a year now with no evidence of anything. things like the success at the
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v.a. barely get covered. they may get covered an hour at a time. but this story gets covered day in, day out. i think america is frankly looking for something better. . they're looking for something more. and i think they zerch something better from our news media. >> welcome back to the 11th hour" that was deputy white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders they she went into the room for today's live teleadvised briefing with live audio prepared to attack the american news media. certain the press corps her sharp words led to a blunt response from a reporter named brian car om. >> if we make the slightest mistake, the slightest word is off, it is just an absolute tie raid from a lot of people in this room. but news outlines getting to on day after day and cite unnamed sources, use stories without
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sources, have you know -- you mentioned the scar a muchy story they had to have reporters. >> resign. >> you're inflame everybody right now and right here with this words. this administration has done that was why in the name of heiferens any one of us are replaceable and any one of us if we don't get it right the audience has the opportunity to turn the channel or not read us. >> i think. >> you have been elected to serve for four years at least. there is no option other than that. we're here to ask you questions. >> right. >> you're here to provide the answers what you did is inflammatory to people all over the country hook at it and say see once again the president is right and everybody else out here is fake media and everybody in in room is only trying to do their job. >> well i just -- i disagree completely first of all. i think if anything has been inflamed it's the dishonesty that often takes place by the news media. and i think it is outrageous for you to accuse me of inflaming a story when i was simply trying
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to respond to his question. >> brian car om is with us tonight. live he is executive editor of two weekly newspapers in maryland. also anita is with us white house correspondent for mcclachy newspapers. welcome to you both. and brey be i have to say watching it live it had a real sense of moment. to your points in a public servant, a government employee, saying to the people who are -- many of enemy predisposed nothing to see here, this is a hoax, these people are covering. that's when you chose to speak up. >> yeah, i have been in that room for three days a week the last six months. i respect sarah. i respect sean spicer the job they do. they have to put up with us on any given day. heaven knows i've been called worse by people who love me than what she said today. but the point of it is it really rankles because i know reporters that have been beaten, reporters have been died.
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i've been jailed. there have been others jailed longer than i have that have suffered to provide information to the republic. and simply because something doesn't agree or mesh with their particular mindset they call it fake media. and in that very meeting, sarah recommended that we watch a video and she wasn't sure of the veracity of it or whether or not it was accurate but urged us to watch it. i mean you're urging me to watch media you can't vouch for and then claiming that the people that in that room have an agenda. and the only agenda i know of is for those people -- and that's all of them everybody i've met in that room -- the whole agenda is simply to try and get the facts out and ask questions. so it's really kind of -- you know, as i told my wife this evening, it's like- it was like dealing with my children. after a while enough is enough. and i had had enough. >> and you can speak for yourself. but it seemed to me watching you
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a big concern to you was this kind of negative affirmation for the audience that already is highly suspect of the information that comes out of the news media, believes we're all in the tank. >> absolutely. they believe we're:ka hooting to get we have a nefarious plan. the nefarious plan the only agenda is to try and get facts. and every time you paint us as such you're undermining the first amendment you claim to support. and time after time after time they've told news that room how they support the first amendment. they just don't like the people practicing it. and that's very disheartening. it's very disingenuous. they've never admitted a mistake. we're led on a path of one way with comey -- i've got tapes no i don't have tapes. then there is never any accountability. yet they want to flip the script and hold us accountable. well while not accepting any
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responsibility themselves it's a childish maneuver it's what my kids used to do i didn't like it then and i don't like it no. >> when you scan the pass at the northwest gate tomorrow do you think it's going to work? >> i hope so. that's a good question. i guess i'll find out tomorrow. but like i said i respect. they do their job. layer speaks -- who was reagan's spokesman said you don't tell us how to stage the news and we won't tell you how to report it. well, you know that's fine. it is up to them to put the best face on the news for the president. i don't begrudge them that. that's what they're there for. and we're there to ask the questions, to seek answers, to find out the truth. and if you're going to tell me and tell the entire world that we're fake media and only those agreeing with you are real well i've got a problem with that. that's not right. >> anita, i rather isn't that correctly referred to the
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briefing at a rare live tflized event what is going on in the briefing room. >> as we talked about before they have said from the beginning they were going to have some offcamera briefings. but it's becoming more and more common. i think they had three offcamera briefings last week. i attended monday, yesterday. it was offcamera. offaudio. you rt audio was on you can carry the audio later or use sound bite. they basically have said and over and over they're not having an on camera briefing when he speaks. they want his remarks to speak for themselves and carry the message of the day. which has worked. obviously sometimes he does have a press conference. he does have a statement. but more and more ner using it when he barely speaks. he has a small pool spray. he says a few words. they use it as an excuse to go off camera. what you didn't see yesterday was there actually was a -- not
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quite as dramatic of a flairup in the briefing. but there was a moment where a cnn report jim acosta did call out -- did scream out why is this offcamera? he said it over and over? so there are the tense moments. there were many many tense moments you just can't see half of them. >> fox news tonight devoted at least one segment to jim acosta. brian, go ahead. >> jim is -- i felt bad for him yesterday. standing up and -- the one of the things i think we need to do is stand up for each other. the press is notorious for eating their own. so that's not necessarily what we're best at. but the simple fact of the matter is jim is -- you know he hasn't been called on in probably two or three weeks. this big change by the way came after the president came back from his first overseas trip. and the russian investigation ratcheted up. now the second front against the
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administration is open with the emolument clause two suits there. in the attempt to keep us from the particular events they are staging stuff and that's fine if you're doing that. i mean that's what they want to do. but the simple fact of the matter is we're seeing less and less of them and asking fewer and fewer questions of them. >> brian you spoke for a lot of people today. but most oh importantly your readers and customers. anita thank you. to coin the phrase if democracy dies in darkness i don't know if that includes audio or not we thank you for being on the brought. coming up majority rules or not? how can a party that controls everything in town fail to get such a big agenda item done when "the 11th hour" continues. anot, and we will have you on your way. ♪ runway models on the runway?
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we have to get 216 people to agree with each oren on how to do things. >> that was the speaker of the house in the innocent days in the month of march after he was forced to pull the house bill to repeal and replace obamacare before it eventually passed that chamber. today, senate republicans are feeling that same pressure. let's talk about this tonight. joining our broadcast democratic policeter coronell belcher with a number of of house and senate democrats. we're happy to have as well david frum speechwriter for george w. bush appear a senior editor at atlantic rgs. this is a deeply single conversation because it leaves out the people who are the customers and bosses in american politics, the constituents, the people who need and want health care and are nervous about it. but, if you're the democrats do you continue to just watch this and stay away as not to own it?
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>> well, i mean here the problem. it is a broken process, right. the truth of the matter is we have this thing called the -- the rule where it's a majority of the majority. i think that doesn't work for the american people. you know there probably are enough democrats if republican -- with mitch mcconnell and enough other republicans would come to the table and make compromising to in fact tweak obamacare and make obamacare work better which by the way was once upon a time a republican idea. but the problem is politicly they would pay a heavy price. particularly in the gerry mannedered district what is best for the american people ultimately becomes politicly problematic. particularly when you have a base of the republican party, you know who hates obama a and his legacy so much that you know repealing this and wiping this away is -- becomes you know important politicly for the base republican party. however, in reality, it's really tough to -- to repeal obamacare
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and replace it with something -- something else. i'm amused by the republican senator he said what they have right now is better than obamacare. if it was better than obamacare i think they would pass it. but it's hard. i would love to see democrats and republicans coming together but it's so tough politicly. >> the town was broken long before donald trump got there. he does bring with him a set of unusual circumstances and challenges. is this a congress problem or a trump problem or both? >> i think the system is working. i don't thinks in a problem. this this is actually the way we get to a better result. here is the way i find useful to understand this. look at this senator by senator, state by state. take rand paul who has become an opponent of mitch mcconnell's proposal. kentucky has seen the largest improvements in the uninsured rate of any state since 2010. back then about 20% of the kentuckians lacked insurance
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today but 7 and a half% do. rand paul -- rand paul's vote is concentrated in the southeast corner of the state. coal country. he gets staples over 80% of the vote. that's also where the states medicaid population is concentrated. those same counties giving rand paul 7 oh be 75%, 85% of the vote. a fifth of the population would lose coverage under medicaid if the aca were repealed what is rand paul doing he wants to protect the aca. he needs to find a conservative sounding reason for opposing the repeal. that's what he is doing. you see that with senators from arkansas. senators from pennsylvania. they -- they have been pushed by the national party into an untenable position. where they are compelled to oppose something that they're constituents get benefits from. it's not surprising the project is failing and this is how we get to the more productive conversation coronell yaerns to here. >> it's a perverse way to get
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around to it but you can see the point. this means the system is working because something bad is not being able to come out of that building behind you. >> that is absolutely right. and david, actually. are in accord on this surprisingly. but this is where we need partisanship aside. the politics is so broken, right. and i know brian, you don't want to get into this -- the weeds on this. but gerry man deering. it is hurting the democracy where you you have to play kate a base of voters and you have all the incumbent in safe republican or democratic districts and the poorlization becomes so increased it is hard more a democrat to reach across the aisle. i would argue even harder for a republican to reach across. because in the end this is -- obamacare was a republican idea.
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let's tweak it and make it brt. >> which mitch mcconnell could have dawn and should zblchlt said 52 senators here i want each of you to write down on a piece of paper the thing about the aca that bug you most. if you had done that and put them in a hat on a drawn them out you would see overlap. there are three things republicans could converm mcconnell said i'm going to write that and it's a bit bill be it's an incremental bill and then it would pass you would have something to show. instead he is trying to do the moon launch which makes in millions of people worse off to do something with 52 votes that is the kind of moon launch the americans system can only do when you have a national consense with us 70 votes behind it. >> dafrd i'd be remiss to not ask you about the times we are living in. i want to illustration them with two things. number one one of the tweets from our president. it says so they caught fake news cnn cold.
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but what about nbc, be cbs and abc what about the failing "new york times" and "washington post"? they are all fake news. i'm in the sure people have their arms around the fact that this is, again, president of the united states using twitter but to diminish a -- the news media in a free press and a free society. and the second has to do, david with the fact that you are a proud canadian. i understand joining from us canada this night. this is chrissia freeland known to many because of the time she spent in the united states, the foreign affairs minister of canada. freeland says canada must sets it's own course process the fact that our friend ai has come to question the mantle of global leadership puts in sharper focus the need for the rest of us to set our own clear and sovereign course. david, don't make me talk about
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the fact that americans andenings fougt and died together on normandy beaches and elsewhere around this world and through the years. what a sad state of affairs that quote is. >> what is more alarming than that quote with, because looking look messing up the u.s. canada republicans is onthe wit of donald trump it's a strong relationship. but similar sthings have been said by angela merkel the chancellor of germany. amber and germany has a tendency to go warned egg it does no have the blood brotherhood that we have. the huge poll showing collapses 50, 60, 70, eight% in respect for american sleerdship one of the most ominous is in south korea. donald trump is highly a proesktive policy in northeast age. doing while denouncing the south korea free trade agreement, demanding that south korea pay $1.0 billion more than negotiated more a defense system that protection japan and the
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united states and not south korea. he is every day doing terrible damage to american global leadership. i thought you were goings to when you introduced my pride, i proud say is i am a prod republican. this order does not stabilize itself. it needs american leadership and american commitment and american power, american military force and donald trump is laying ways one after the other to the basis of american in the world. >> lets have both of you gentlemen back on and we'll talk about this. thank you both, david frum from kornell. >> we want to turn to the white hou house's ominous statement about syria. before we came on the air last night warning of assad of syria would pay a quote, "heavy price for for another chemical
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attack." >> this includes secretary mattis of defense and tillerson of state. the events were fast moving and there were minimal deliberations of the bold move. assad today defiantly staged a photo opt of an air base used by russian attack aircraft in his country. russia is calling this new u.s. warning of a provocation. jonesing us tonight to talk about, jeremy bash, former chief of staff of the cia and former chief counsel to house intel. jeremy, we talked about this in realtime on the broadcast last night. none of us and andy carr was here, former bush chief of staff. none of us have seen anything like this. this is the consequences of when the world gets series needing to communicate seriously as a white house and a country, what did you make of it and how perhaps
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have it been born? >> there were imagery aircraft and our satellite could not tell what was happening under that hanger so the assumption was made of an analytic call that was made by the cia of another engaged chemical weapons attack. it was productive. it was important for the united states to make as force full deterrence of the assad regime. what i thought was extraordinary, however, the statement went further, you are going to pay heavy price which to me means you are going to pay a regime element. that's nothing that we can do of
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tom haw tomahawks. to do that, we have to push russia out of the way. i don't think the white house is willing to do it. the white house is unwilling to cross russia's red line with respect to syria. >> is it important to note that red lines especially in that country can be a tricky business. >> absolutely. >> i think this current administration have been with president obama effectively declaring a red line and i do have to say that when they conducted the operation in april, it was proportionate and limited and 59 crew missiles off the uss porter. here we have now a statement by the administration that they're basically planning a much broader military operation against syria. you know extensively, our purpose stated by the administration is taking on
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isis. what we have seen is syria gets in the way of it. their fighter had been firing on the forces on the ground that's been basically ground force against isis. i believe that at the end of the day, if we are going to defeat isis on syria, we'll take on the assad regime forcefully. i am not sure if this team is up to it. >> do you think we pledge or try to stop every future chemical attack in a place that's seemed already way too many of them. >> i do, one of the key points of the earlier attack in april that we conducted was to reestablish deterrence and to say if we go to that step, we'll hit them. if they go to that step, we ado don't hit them. our strategic goal evaporates. >> jeremy bash, thanks for being with us. another break for us, up next, an american tradition
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prevagen. the name to remember. i have been on the cover of magazines every time. i feel like i am on a cover like a super model. >> i think we have the all time record in the history of "times" magazine. >> candidate donald trump mentions his "times" magazine covers more than once on his campaign trail. >> as you saw in front of the cia memorial world, the point-to-point was wrong about making an all time record. president trump has been on the cover 14 times. but our friends at the
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washington post came across some fake news in this regard of a fake time cover featuring donald trump was hung on the wall, according to their reporting at at least five of president trump's golf clubs. the fake copy is dated march first of '09. there was no issue on that page. there were some other telltale signs having to do with the fake bar code and red faces. in effect, it is a novelty item. the post reports the folks at times have asked the resorts to remove all of the fake magazine covers from their walls. with that, that's our broadcast on a busy tuesday night, thank you for being with us and good night from nbc news headquarters in new york.
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thanks at home for joining us on what is a really big night. we did not know this is going to happen on tuesday. this has turned into a huge night in practical american politics after protests in senate offices around the country and in the halls of capitol hill and at the senate last night both on the floors where democrats held the floors for hours and they went outside held the capitol steps and impromptu protests that started with senator cory booker and soon to be hundreds of people deep into the night. after a score from the congressional budget's office that says the republican bill to kill obamacare would kick 22 million americans off their health insurance? >> and not just


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